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	<title>Comments on: How To Bring Internet Advertising to TV—The Long View</title>
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		<title>By: Microsoft Gets Into Interactive TV Ads; Buys Navic Networks For An Estimated $200 to $300 Million</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2378396</link>
		<dc:creator>Microsoft Gets Into Interactive TV Ads; Buys Navic Networks For An Estimated $200 to $300 Million</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve argued before, what we need is the interactivity and targeting ability of Web video ads on TV. Perhaps this is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zena doyle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2135411</link>
		<dc:creator>zena doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do object strongly on using people who have died for your adverts,edith piaf for one,do you not care for family feelings in using these adverts.zena</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do object strongly on using people who have died for your adverts,edith piaf for one,do you not care for family feelings in using these adverts.zena</p>
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		<title>By: Jaafer Haidar</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2060063</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaafer Haidar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@38

Erick, 

I see your point and agree that the same audience used to watching video online may even come to expect the same services through television. 

The problem is, although web video viewership continues to increase, it's still a relatively small portion of the TV viewing population and therefore it's a hard sell to convince a cable operator, networks, etc. that it's a worthwhile investment vs. other initiatives on the table.

Still, here's what might happen to make it a reality:

- A great web video ad services comes to the world. People love it so much that they come to expect all online video to have these ads

- Online video viewing continues to increase and the demographic is of high value

- TV world notices and says..."So many people want this! Let's invest in bringing it to TV!"

- They invest, we get web video type ads on TV. It's an opt-in service that it tested to customers with an existing high speed internet service from their provider

Depending on how it goes, the service stays around or fails and someone 10 years from now is reminding people about it in a blog post :)

Thanks,
Jaafer
http://digitalu.wordpress.com
http://www.sensidea.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@38</p>
<p>Erick, </p>
<p>I see your point and agree that the same audience used to watching video online may even come to expect the same services through television. </p>
<p>The problem is, although web video viewership continues to increase, it&#8217;s still a relatively small portion of the TV viewing population and therefore it&#8217;s a hard sell to convince a cable operator, networks, etc. that it&#8217;s a worthwhile investment vs. other initiatives on the table.</p>
<p>Still, here&#8217;s what might happen to make it a reality:</p>
<p>- A great web video ad services comes to the world. People love it so much that they come to expect all online video to have these ads</p>
<p>- Online video viewing continues to increase and the demographic is of high value</p>
<p>- TV world notices and says&#8230;&#8221;So many people want this! Let&#8217;s invest in bringing it to TV!&#8221;</p>
<p>- They invest, we get web video type ads on TV. It&#8217;s an opt-in service that it tested to customers with an existing high speed internet service from their provider</p>
<p>Depending on how it goes, the service stays around or fails and someone 10 years from now is reminding people about it in a blog post <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jaafer<br />
<a href="http://digitalu.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://digitalu.wordpress.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sensidea.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sensidea.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DRhea</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRhea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael and all others concerned with Spot Runner struggle.  Not sure who you're listening to on the grapevine, but have you guys seen who's investing in and trying to invest in this company.  From a media standpoint - it's nothing less than stellar.  

This company is morphing quickly and positioning itself very well.  You may be hearing struggling times for companies like Spot Runner - but the entire media advertising world is hurting right now.  Economy is down, stupid companies cut their advertising as the first sense of expense reduction, when it should be darn near the last.......I wouldn't count these guys out just yet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael and all others concerned with Spot Runner struggle.  Not sure who you&#8217;re listening to on the grapevine, but have you guys seen who&#8217;s investing in and trying to invest in this company.  From a media standpoint - it&#8217;s nothing less than stellar.  </p>
<p>This company is morphing quickly and positioning itself very well.  You may be hearing struggling times for companies like Spot Runner - but the entire media advertising world is hurting right now.  Economy is down, stupid companies cut their advertising as the first sense of expense reduction, when it should be darn near the last&#8230;&#8230;.I wouldn&#8217;t count these guys out just yet!</p>
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		<title>By: vicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT TECHCRUNCH

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<p>ADMIN<br />
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		<title>By: Fanshawe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fanshawe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's been a lot of talk over the past week about the different levels of attention that the commercials on TV shows that are broadcast on television and those streamed online are getting. 

The debate started around the cancellation of Jericho and the issue of big TV networks not really doing enough to make their online audiences count in the greater scheme of things, especially in light of the fact that the shorter ads shown online don't really allow you to move away from the screen without risking missing something while, with those on television, you can walk the friggin' dog, cook lunch and be back in time for the next scene. 

Okay, I'm exaggerating but you get the gist. Anyway, thanks for the article, it's definitely an interesting read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of talk over the past week about the different levels of attention that the commercials on TV shows that are broadcast on television and those streamed online are getting. </p>
<p>The debate started around the cancellation of Jericho and the issue of big TV networks not really doing enough to make their online audiences count in the greater scheme of things, especially in light of the fact that the shorter ads shown online don&#8217;t really allow you to move away from the screen without risking missing something while, with those on television, you can walk the friggin&#8217; dog, cook lunch and be back in time for the next scene. </p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m exaggerating but you get the gist. Anyway, thanks for the article, it&#8217;s definitely an interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Mertz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2058313</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Mertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18 - Correct, in most cases Spot Runner sends Beta tapes to the cable operators and TV Stations. There are markets that use Fast Channel (ftp upload) and that helps, but in general SP is stuck mailing out tapes. As far as revenue, I hate to say it but word on the street is that they are struggling. Not only do they experience a high burn rate but they also don't bring in as much as expected. ....that's at least what I hear through the grape vine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18 - Correct, in most cases Spot Runner sends Beta tapes to the cable operators and TV Stations. There are markets that use Fast Channel (ftp upload) and that helps, but in general SP is stuck mailing out tapes. As far as revenue, I hate to say it but word on the street is that they are struggling. Not only do they experience a high burn rate but they also don&#8217;t bring in as much as expected. &#8230;.that&#8217;s at least what I hear through the grape vine.</p>
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		<title>By: David T</title>
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		<dc:creator>David T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe because this is coming from TechCrunch or maybe because Erick doesn't really watch TV but what is being completely overlooked in this piece is the viewer.

Overlay ads suck for the viewer.  Constantly having the flow of your show being interrupted by what amounts to pop-up ads sounds like the thing that would finally get me to turn of my TV for good.  I mean, those little station bugs are bad enough, and when they're animated it's downright infuriating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe because this is coming from TechCrunch or maybe because Erick doesn&#8217;t really watch TV but what is being completely overlooked in this piece is the viewer.</p>
<p>Overlay ads suck for the viewer.  Constantly having the flow of your show being interrupted by what amounts to pop-up ads sounds like the thing that would finally get me to turn of my TV for good.  I mean, those little station bugs are bad enough, and when they&#8217;re animated it&#8217;s downright infuriating.</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch SO Wrong on TV Ads &#171; MyMediaMusings</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2057240</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch SO Wrong on TV Ads &#171; MyMediaMusings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] SO Wrong on TV&#160;Ads  Jump to Comments Today on TechCrunch Erick Schonfeld explored what he believes will be the answer to save TV [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Erick Schonfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erick Schonfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of great comments on this thread.  Just to clarify, these ads don't have to be clickable, they just need to be relevant.  I agree with you, Jaafer @27, that interactive TV was a failure.  But that was before Web video.  Whatever ad unit starts to work on Web video should be ported over to regular TV is my point. Because consumers will be used to that type of advertising on the Web.

What that ad unit is, I don't know.  It doesn't have to be a text link. It can be a graphic overlay.  Audiences are getting used to these things and won't necessarily think they are intrusive if they are relevant.

As to Steve's point @36, I didn't mean to imply that behavioral targeting couldn't be part of the mix. (I actually ran out of time and had to post because I had some execs waiting to show me a product demo, so I couldn't cover everything).  

But how exactly would you do behavioral targeting on TV without tracking every show somebody watches?  That raises way too many privacy concerns (although nobody seems to mind when it happens on the Web).  At least with contextual ads you are targeting only based on the content within the video itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of great comments on this thread.  Just to clarify, these ads don&#8217;t have to be clickable, they just need to be relevant.  I agree with you, Jaafer @27, that interactive TV was a failure.  But that was before Web video.  Whatever ad unit starts to work on Web video should be ported over to regular TV is my point. Because consumers will be used to that type of advertising on the Web.</p>
<p>What that ad unit is, I don&#8217;t know.  It doesn&#8217;t have to be a text link. It can be a graphic overlay.  Audiences are getting used to these things and won&#8217;t necessarily think they are intrusive if they are relevant.</p>
<p>As to Steve&#8217;s point @36, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that behavioral targeting couldn&#8217;t be part of the mix. (I actually ran out of time and had to post because I had some execs waiting to show me a product demo, so I couldn&#8217;t cover everything).  </p>
<p>But how exactly would you do behavioral targeting on TV without tracking every show somebody watches?  That raises way too many privacy concerns (although nobody seems to mind when it happens on the Web).  At least with contextual ads you are targeting only based on the content within the video itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Hock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Hock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael, 

I fully agree on point #1: automating the process. But I disagree on point #2; pop-ups and overlays... They don't work in any medium (unless placed passively and activated manually by the user). 
 
The future of TV is all about the silent shift away from generic broadcasts in favor of the Video On Demand model combined with new platforms that automate the process of delivering highly targeted ads.
 
http://www.jeffhock.com/blog/on-demand-advertising-market-set-to-boom.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, </p>
<p>I fully agree on point #1: automating the process. But I disagree on point #2; pop-ups and overlays&#8230; They don&#8217;t work in any medium (unless placed passively and activated manually by the user). </p>
<p>The future of TV is all about the silent shift away from generic broadcasts in favor of the Video On Demand model combined with new platforms that automate the process of delivering highly targeted ads.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jeffhock.com/blog/on-demand-advertising-market-set-to-boom.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jeffhock.com/blog/o.....-boom.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Mitgang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Mitgang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erick: I am a little surprised at how much time you spent writing about contextual matching and demographics vs. the real opportunity in behavioral targeting. The power of the web is about understanding multiple interests a consumer has at any one moment in time. If search taught us anything in the last few years, it taught us that we no longer need to use coarse proxies for interest (like the video that is running or demographics) but real explicit interest as demonstrated by multiple concurrent actions. Both of the examples you point out, could be small improvements, but BT (which we are doing now at veoh-plus the other stuff) is where real relevance will mark its day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erick: I am a little surprised at how much time you spent writing about contextual matching and demographics vs. the real opportunity in behavioral targeting. The power of the web is about understanding multiple interests a consumer has at any one moment in time. If search taught us anything in the last few years, it taught us that we no longer need to use coarse proxies for interest (like the video that is running or demographics) but real explicit interest as demonstrated by multiple concurrent actions. Both of the examples you point out, could be small improvements, but BT (which we are doing now at veoh-plus the other stuff) is where real relevance will mark its day.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaafer, I think my suggestion is a little different than you mentioned in the fact that the whole shopping functionality isn't built-in, only a text link that will send information to you.

The benefit of this, as I see it, is that your TV experience is largely uninterrupted.

I'd much rather be sent a coupon to be reviewed later, than stop the show I'm watching and buy an item right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaafer, I think my suggestion is a little different than you mentioned in the fact that the whole shopping functionality isn&#8217;t built-in, only a text link that will send information to you.</p>
<p>The benefit of this, as I see it, is that your TV experience is largely uninterrupted.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather be sent a coupon to be reviewed later, than stop the show I&#8217;m watching and buy an item right there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaafer Haidar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaafer Haidar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@33 - that's exactly what the start-up I mentioned was doing. Many others have dreams of this including OpenTV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@33 - that&#8217;s exactly what the start-up I mentioned was doing. Many others have dreams of this including OpenTV.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about whenever some tagged content is available on screen, a simple icon appears in the corner.  At any time during the broadcast, you can press a button on your remote for more information.

I picture a scenario where, for instance, you are watching Random Primetime Drama Show and a character walks on screen wearing an advertiser's brand of clothing.  A little clothing icon appears in the corner.  You press a button on your remote, the picture size of the show shrinks a little bit and accommodates a simple text link of sorts saying "5% Instant Rebate of BrandX Women's Sweaters, only at Macy's" and you have the opportunity to cancel and go back, or click a different button and have a coupon emailed or texted to you.

Ads are relevent and realtime, but don't distract from the show.  Advertisers would be sacrificing raw views, but the quality of actual interactions I believe would skyrocket.

I think these, coupled with traditional commercial breaks (although maybe having 2 45-second commercials and a 15-second commercial instead of 4 30-second commercials) would be a boon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about whenever some tagged content is available on screen, a simple icon appears in the corner.  At any time during the broadcast, you can press a button on your remote for more information.</p>
<p>I picture a scenario where, for instance, you are watching Random Primetime Drama Show and a character walks on screen wearing an advertiser&#8217;s brand of clothing.  A little clothing icon appears in the corner.  You press a button on your remote, the picture size of the show shrinks a little bit and accommodates a simple text link of sorts saying &#8220;5% Instant Rebate of BrandX Women&#8217;s Sweaters, only at Macy&#8217;s&#8221; and you have the opportunity to cancel and go back, or click a different button and have a coupon emailed or texted to you.</p>
<p>Ads are relevent and realtime, but don&#8217;t distract from the show.  Advertisers would be sacrificing raw views, but the quality of actual interactions I believe would skyrocket.</p>
<p>I think these, coupled with traditional commercial breaks (although maybe having 2 45-second commercials and a 15-second commercial instead of 4 30-second commercials) would be a boon.</p>
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		<title>By: I Am Not Posting To Spam My Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Am Not Posting To Spam My Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To pick up on #1: the day this happens is not the day I stop watching TV. The day this happens is the day I give up entirely on getting TV from legit sources. Since it looks as if broadcasters are finally getting round to a model in which I can watch what I want when I want, that would be a huge step backwards.

Fact is I'm in the minority and so are the rest of us. To make a wide but probably accurate generalisation, TechCrunch readers are not the type who flop down in front of the TV and gaze goggle-eyed at whatever happens to be on for hours on end. I only watch scheduled programming if there's something I actively want to watch at a suitable time, which on average is less than an hour a night, and I'm guessing many TechCrunch readers are the same. People who don't particularly care about what they're watching are more likely to accept intrusive ads, and I have a nasty feeling they make up the majority. And what's more, they're probably the people who are actually influenced by TV ads as well. Those of us who switch off in disgust aren't actually generating revenue for the TV stations anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To pick up on #1: the day this happens is not the day I stop watching TV. The day this happens is the day I give up entirely on getting TV from legit sources. Since it looks as if broadcasters are finally getting round to a model in which I can watch what I want when I want, that would be a huge step backwards.</p>
<p>Fact is I&#8217;m in the minority and so are the rest of us. To make a wide but probably accurate generalisation, TechCrunch readers are not the type who flop down in front of the TV and gaze goggle-eyed at whatever happens to be on for hours on end. I only watch scheduled programming if there&#8217;s something I actively want to watch at a suitable time, which on average is less than an hour a night, and I&#8217;m guessing many TechCrunch readers are the same. People who don&#8217;t particularly care about what they&#8217;re watching are more likely to accept intrusive ads, and I have a nasty feeling they make up the majority. And what&#8217;s more, they&#8217;re probably the people who are actually influenced by TV ads as well. Those of us who switch off in disgust aren&#8217;t actually generating revenue for the TV stations anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/26/how-to-bring-internet-advertising-to-tv%e2%80%94the-long-view/#comment-2055360</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why this constant obsession with overlays Eric?  TV - like online video - needs an advertising medium that works, i.e. delivers value to the advertiser who is paying for it.  Similar to your anti pre-roll stance, you seem to forget that publishers and broadcasters need to make money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why this constant obsession with overlays Eric?  TV - like online video - needs an advertising medium that works, i.e. delivers value to the advertiser who is paying for it.  Similar to your anti pre-roll stance, you seem to forget that publishers and broadcasters need to make money.</p>
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		<title>By: antje wilsch</title>
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		<dc:creator>antje wilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Joel - I cannot imagine anything more annoying than having ads pop up when I'm watching videos... I leave most videos if they 30 second ads placed before the video I want to watch. Those minutes add up to wasted time in life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Joel - I cannot imagine anything more annoying than having ads pop up when I&#8217;m watching videos&#8230; I leave most videos if they 30 second ads placed before the video I want to watch. Those minutes add up to wasted time in life.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr.Recycle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr.Recycle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to save the horse &#38; carriage business - strap engines on horse. uhm, i don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to save the horse &amp; carriage business - strap engines on horse. uhm, i don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Design by Jacques Snyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Design by Jacques Snyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets face it, the market share of TV is sliding, and this could be the very last straw....nobody enjoys ads, hence the issue of forwarding through them or treating them as a quick snack break. If these things now start popping up uninvited it is going to be a major league irritation. Granted it will be relevant, etc, but still annoying, nevertheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets face it, the market share of TV is sliding, and this could be the very last straw&#8230;.nobody enjoys ads, hence the issue of forwarding through them or treating them as a quick snack break. If these things now start popping up uninvited it is going to be a major league irritation. Granted it will be relevant, etc, but still annoying, nevertheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaafer Haidar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaafer Haidar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erick,

Entrepreneurs and others should do well to remember the history of interactive television before trying their hand at it. I've spent years working with cable, telcos, and media companies and I'm a student and life long web fanatic. I've been pitched many times about interactive TV and ads and spent a while doing due diligence on a concept myself.

Here's some advice and some history:

A Little History

Interactive TV was invented in the 90s through a joint venture by SGI, Time Warner, and AT&#38;T (read The New New Thing by Michael Lewis). It was a great technology feat at the time but failed miserably not even making it to market...why?...because no one wanted it.

TV is not about "Clicks"

Most people come home from work, turn on their TV, and turn off their brains. The web is a very different medium than a TV in terms of interaction. When people are online they get their info or entertainment in bits and pieces, the go from site to site quickly to get their fill. They read a bit on one site, do a search, and read more somewhere else.

This is drastically different user behavior than when watching TV. Sure, people click around to find something they want but when they find it they stay and watch. Their intent is to stay not need to be constantly engaged interactively.

What's the Business Case?

To date, most network investment is in making the content flow downstream faster, crisper, farther, better. To make interactive ads viable at scale, investment needs to be made for upstream data flow. True, the internet can hookup to the back of your TV or set top but that will come at a bandwidth cost incurred and passed on to the consumer. Will people pay for more bandwidth so that they can interact with ads on TV? I'm thinking they're most likely to stick with their "internet high speed lite" or god help us dial up services to browse the web at a reasonable rate.

Having worked extensively with cable and telcos I'd be hard pressed to see the execs sign off on a project that requires heavy investment, lots of work, no proven need or customer demand.

Companies Already in the Game

A few companies are already in the TV interactive ad game. Ensequence has a compelling solution, and there was a startup that allowed you to buy items seen on Desperate Housewives simply by clicking on the items on TV. A catalog would open up on screen and you could place your order...pretty cool stuff but I can't remember their name (AgentBuddy?), maybe a clue to their success :)

Bottom Line

The bottom line is that the web is different than TV but one thing is always true:  People will use a service if it makes things better and more enjoyable. 

There are some great web services that could be brought to TV. How about being able to search and retrieve all comedies targetted to ages 25-35 instead of clicking through 300 channels? That would make my TV experience easier and better.

Just like on the web, make things easier, better, and faster. Interactive TV has been in play for 10 years and still doesn't fit the bill.

Erick - I find your posts some of the most informative and well thought out at TechCrunch. Would be great to continue the discussion with you Erick or anyone else interested.

All the best to everyone working on making their dreams come true. Don't you just love technology :)

Thanks,
Jaafer Haidar
http://digitalu.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erick,</p>
<p>Entrepreneurs and others should do well to remember the history of interactive television before trying their hand at it. I&#8217;ve spent years working with cable, telcos, and media companies and I&#8217;m a student and life long web fanatic. I&#8217;ve been pitched many times about interactive TV and ads and spent a while doing due diligence on a concept myself.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some advice and some history:</p>
<p>A Little History</p>
<p>Interactive TV was invented in the 90s through a joint venture by SGI, Time Warner, and AT&amp;T (read The New New Thing by Michael Lewis). It was a great technology feat at the time but failed miserably not even making it to market&#8230;why?&#8230;because no one wanted it.</p>
<p>TV is not about &#8220;Clicks&#8221;</p>
<p>Most people come home from work, turn on their TV, and turn off their brains. The web is a very different medium than a TV in terms of interaction. When people are online they get their info or entertainment in bits and pieces, the go from site to site quickly to get their fill. They read a bit on one site, do a search, and read more somewhere else.</p>
<p>This is drastically different user behavior than when watching TV. Sure, people click around to find something they want but when they find it they stay and watch. Their intent is to stay not need to be constantly engaged interactively.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the Business Case?</p>
<p>To date, most network investment is in making the content flow downstream faster, crisper, farther, better. To make interactive ads viable at scale, investment needs to be made for upstream data flow. True, the internet can hookup to the back of your TV or set top but that will come at a bandwidth cost incurred and passed on to the consumer. Will people pay for more bandwidth so that they can interact with ads on TV? I&#8217;m thinking they&#8217;re most likely to stick with their &#8220;internet high speed lite&#8221; or god help us dial up services to browse the web at a reasonable rate.</p>
<p>Having worked extensively with cable and telcos I&#8217;d be hard pressed to see the execs sign off on a project that requires heavy investment, lots of work, no proven need or customer demand.</p>
<p>Companies Already in the Game</p>
<p>A few companies are already in the TV interactive ad game. Ensequence has a compelling solution, and there was a startup that allowed you to buy items seen on Desperate Housewives simply by clicking on the items on TV. A catalog would open up on screen and you could place your order&#8230;pretty cool stuff but I can&#8217;t remember their name (AgentBuddy?), maybe a clue to their success <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Bottom Line</p>
<p>The bottom line is that the web is different than TV but one thing is always true:  People will use a service if it makes things better and more enjoyable. </p>
<p>There are some great web services that could be brought to TV. How about being able to search and retrieve all comedies targetted to ages 25-35 instead of clicking through 300 channels? That would make my TV experience easier and better.</p>
<p>Just like on the web, make things easier, better, and faster. Interactive TV has been in play for 10 years and still doesn&#8217;t fit the bill.</p>
<p>Erick - I find your posts some of the most informative and well thought out at TechCrunch. Would be great to continue the discussion with you Erick or anyone else interested.</p>
<p>All the best to everyone working on making their dreams come true. Don&#8217;t you just love technology <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Jaafer Haidar<br />
<a href="http://digitalu.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://digitalu.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Patrick: the primary reason I think overlay will take off is DVRs.  You can fast forward or skip through commercials altogether, but if the ads are in the content, you can't.  That said, I don't see the local auto dealership or dentist ever being overlayed in an ABC primetime drama - I think that's far more likely for things like local sporting events on your local Fox Sports Net or equivalent.  

In primetime, I think the overlays will mostly be for the typical advertiser already willing to pay for the 30 second spot.  But a.) I could be wrong, and b.) even if I'm write, there's a lot of day parts other than primetime, and a  &lt;b&gt;lot&lt;/b&gt; of opportunity on channels besides the major broadcast networks.  I'm warming up to Erick's thinking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Patrick: the primary reason I think overlay will take off is DVRs.  You can fast forward or skip through commercials altogether, but if the ads are in the content, you can&#8217;t.  That said, I don&#8217;t see the local auto dealership or dentist ever being overlayed in an ABC primetime drama - I think that&#8217;s far more likely for things like local sporting events on your local Fox Sports Net or equivalent.  </p>
<p>In primetime, I think the overlays will mostly be for the typical advertiser already willing to pay for the 30 second spot.  But a.) I could be wrong, and b.) even if I&#8217;m write, there&#8217;s a lot of day parts other than primetime, and a  <b>lot</b> of opportunity on channels besides the major broadcast networks.  I&#8217;m warming up to Erick&#8217;s thinking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worst idea ever. Popup ad overlays on TV? Already full of promos for other shows. I agree with the commenter who said that's the day he stops watching. Monetizing web videos the same way will kill that too. For all the crowing about net superior to mainstream media, the web marketers are 10X worse. Say goodbye to the internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worst idea ever. Popup ad overlays on TV? Already full of promos for other shows. I agree with the commenter who said that&#8217;s the day he stops watching. Monetizing web videos the same way will kill that too. For all the crowing about net superior to mainstream media, the web marketers are 10X worse. Say goodbye to the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JAKE i agree if they just made better ads i wouldnt mind watching it at all if it entertains me</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the UK at least broadcasting regulations do not currently permit this type of advertising. It basically has to be in a continuous block, separated from programming and obvious to the consumer that it is indeed advertising. There are of course a lot more regulations :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the UK at least broadcasting regulations do not currently permit this type of advertising. It basically has to be in a continuous block, separated from programming and obvious to the consumer that it is indeed advertising. There are of course a lot more regulations <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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