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		<title>By: Blood on the streets - EDA Sector III &#171; Daniel&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blood on the streets - EDA Sector III &#171; Daniel&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and account receivables. However, one of the things that people found out these days is that &#8216;cash&#8217; may not be what it seems. Also, if your clients go bankrupt, it would be hard to get any money on your receivables. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and account receivables. However, one of the things that people found out these days is that &#8216;cash&#8217; may not be what it seems. Also, if your clients go bankrupt, it would be hard to get any money on your receivables. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Who do you Listen to for Strategic Investment Advice? &#187; Doctor Recommended</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-2/#comment-2044795</link>
		<dc:creator>Who do you Listen to for Strategic Investment Advice? &#187; Doctor Recommended</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] However, unfortunately during the credit crunch and continued dollar devaluation, major portions of the industry will be hard hit with lower demand. And as TechCrunch recently noted, start-ups and venture capital firms are being hit hard with liquidity issues: 20% of Valley Startups Can&#8217;t Get to their Cash. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] However, unfortunately during the credit crunch and continued dollar devaluation, major portions of the industry will be hard hit with lower demand. And as TechCrunch recently noted, start-ups and venture capital firms are being hit hard with liquidity issues: 20% of Valley Startups Can&#8217;t Get to their Cash. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Young's Incoherence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Young's Incoherence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Credit Crisis Reaches Venture Capital...&lt;/strong&gt;

TechCrunch&#8217;s Michael Arrington has a very informative piece on the credit crisis and its effect on startups.  Apparently, many startups are putting their venture cash in Auction Rate Securities, financial instruments that are normally very liquid...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Credit Crisis Reaches Venture Capital&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>TechCrunch&#8217;s Michael Arrington has a very informative piece on the credit crisis and its effect on startups.  Apparently, many startups are putting their venture cash in Auction Rate Securities, financial instruments that are normally very liquid&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Foghorn Leghorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Foghorn Leghorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think we ought to cut taxes again???  I heard, I say, I heard that it leads to a boom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think we ought to cut taxes again???  I heard, I say, I heard that it leads to a boom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DV Henkel-Wallace</title>
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		<dc:creator>DV Henkel-Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I figure the LPs can put their money into exotic interments on their own -- they don&#039;t need me to do it.

My attitude (and answer to anyone who came up with a bright idea for the cash) has always been that our investors put the money in to fund our business, and we&#039;re not in the financial engineering business.  So the money from the funding goes into a CDs/ Commercial paper.  I&#039;d rather worry about development / shipping / customer acquisition and not about the cash in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I figure the LPs can put their money into exotic interments on their own &#8212; they don&#8217;t need me to do it.</p>
<p>My attitude (and answer to anyone who came up with a bright idea for the cash) has always been that our investors put the money in to fund our business, and we&#8217;re not in the financial engineering business.  So the money from the funding goes into a CDs/ Commercial paper.  I&#8217;d rather worry about development / shipping / customer acquisition and not about the cash in the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Johnston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Depression 2.0

We&#039;re about a year into it already, the only question is just how much Keynesian wizardry is going to be tried before the markets (cash and trade, not just Wall St) shake themselves out of it.  Failing entities need to be allowed to fail, and we&#039;ll all start over and build it back up again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Depression 2.0</p>
<p>We&#8217;re about a year into it already, the only question is just how much Keynesian wizardry is going to be tried before the markets (cash and trade, not just Wall St) shake themselves out of it.  Failing entities need to be allowed to fail, and we&#8217;ll all start over and build it back up again.</p>
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		<title>By: Amway Salesman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2034312</link>
		<dc:creator>Amway Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;After an unblemished 20-year track record, ARSes were believed to be highly liquid cash equivalents, even by the financial professionals who worked with them. It’s not like these companies were investing in exotic currency or real-estate derivatives — this was supposed to be as low risk as an investment not backed by the FDIC can get.

Unless you think we should all keep a chest full of Krugerrands buried in the back yard for when the revolution comes, this is a problem that could have befallen pretty much anyone who worked with a financial adviser to try to find a good place to put money that needed to be accessible in the short term.&quot;

BS. People knew that these were vulnerable to liquidity problems:

http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0704.pdf
http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0405.pdf
http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0606.pdf
http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0907.pdf

That first document was posted in 2004 and the SEC started an investigation into the market in June of that year. If that&#039;s not ample warning I don&#039;t know what is.

In 2005, PricewaterhouseCoopers issued an advisory stating that ARSs were not cash equivalents.

Net-net: startups should have kept their money in money market funds. The risks of ARSs were known and if they didn&#039;t know, they were stupid or hired sh*tty financial advisors. And they deserve what they get. Good riddance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;After an unblemished 20-year track record, ARSes were believed to be highly liquid cash equivalents, even by the financial professionals who worked with them. It’s not like these companies were investing in exotic currency or real-estate derivatives — this was supposed to be as low risk as an investment not backed by the FDIC can get.</p>
<p>Unless you think we should all keep a chest full of Krugerrands buried in the back yard for when the revolution comes, this is a problem that could have befallen pretty much anyone who worked with a financial adviser to try to find a good place to put money that needed to be accessible in the short term.&#8221;</p>
<p>BS. People knew that these were vulnerable to liquidity problems:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0704.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0704.pdf'>http://www.svba...urities0704.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0405.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0405.pdf'>http://www.svba...urities0405.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0606.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0606.pdf'>http://www.svba...urities0606.pdf</a><br />
<a href="http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0907.pdf" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.svbassetmanagement.com/pdfs/AuctionRateSecurities0907.pdf'>http://www.svba...urities0907.pdf</a></p>
<p>That first document was posted in 2004 and the SEC started an investigation into the market in June of that year. If that&#8217;s not ample warning I don&#8217;t know what is.</p>
<p>In 2005, PricewaterhouseCoopers issued an advisory stating that ARSs were not cash equivalents.</p>
<p>Net-net: startups should have kept their money in money market funds. The risks of ARSs were known and if they didn&#8217;t know, they were stupid or hired sh*tty financial advisors. And they deserve what they get. Good riddance!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gracie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2034252</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Gracie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;20% Of Valley Startups Can’t Get To Their Cash...&lt;/strong&gt;

I only shrug and nod compliantly when tech folks say the housing debacle, the credit crunch, the equity market gyrations, and other macroeconomic factors those very same tech folks proudly proclaim their ignorance of, does not effect them.
It does.  An...</description>
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<p>I only shrug and nod compliantly when tech folks say the housing debacle, the credit crunch, the equity market gyrations, and other macroeconomic factors those very same tech folks proudly proclaim their ignorance of, does not effect them.<br />
It does.  An&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cost Cutting Goes Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cost Cutting Goes Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@45:  The irony is, if you bought and buried that gold 2 years ago, you&#039;d have more than doubled your money now.  Gold then was roughly $400 an ounce...now it&#039;s $1,000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@45:  The irony is, if you bought and buried that gold 2 years ago, you&#8217;d have more than doubled your money now.  Gold then was roughly $400 an ounce&#8230;now it&#8217;s $1,000</p>
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		<title>By: chrisco</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2033875</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@42: So he choice is securities with tricky features or gold buried in the back yard, huh?  There&#039;s nothing in between. Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@42: So he choice is securities with tricky features or gold buried in the back yard, huh?  There&#8217;s nothing in between. Right.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisco</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2033874</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@40: That was part of my point...  saying &quot;only the greedy are vulnerable.&quot;  I guess I should have said &quot;greedy and stupid,&quot; but the point is people are idiots for buying sh-t they don&#039;t understand.  And they are idiots for even listening to [most] Wall Street salesmen, most of whom don&#039;t even understand the crap they are selling, just that if they get you to buy it they will make a lot of money and can high-five each other around the locker-room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@40: That was part of my point&#8230;  saying &#8220;only the greedy are vulnerable.&#8221;  I guess I should have said &#8220;greedy and stupid,&#8221; but the point is people are idiots for buying sh-t they don&#8217;t understand.  And they are idiots for even listening to [most] Wall Street salesmen, most of whom don&#8217;t even understand the crap they are selling, just that if they get you to buy it they will make a lot of money and can high-five each other around the locker-room.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Rafer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2033495</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Rafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nick, i.e. commenter #9, &quot;...many VCs do have finance backgrounds...&quot;

The number is quite low as a percentage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nick, i.e. commenter #9, &#8220;&#8230;many VCs do have finance backgrounds&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The number is quite low as a percentage.</p>
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		<title>By: AN</title>
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		<dc:creator>AN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@40:

&gt; If you work at a startup that goes belly up because management put its “spare cash” into an ARS to generate a return (as opposed to using its “spare cash” to generate a return through a viable business model) then blame your management, not the Wall Street salesman who sold them on ARSes.

The problem with that notion is that Venture Capital doesn&#039;t come in a steady stream, it comes in rounds of investment -- i.e. lump sums. If you&#039;re spending all of your cash this month, you won&#039;t make payroll next month. So after you get your financing, you&#039;re sitting on a pile of cash that decreases at whatever your burn rate is.

If you have that cash buried under your mattress, you receive no interest on that money, so it loses value at the rate of inflation. If you have it in a savings account, it&#039;s generally only slightly better. So typically, you want to invest it in money market funds, CDs, or other minimal-risk, highly liquid cash equivalents.

After an unblemished 20-year track record, ARSes were believed to be highly liquid cash equivalents, even by the financial professionals who worked with them. It&#039;s not like these companies were investing in exotic currency or real-estate derivatives -- this was supposed to be as low risk as an investment not backed by the FDIC can get.

Unless you think we should all keep a chest full of Krugerrands buried in the back yard for when the revolution comes, this is a problem that could have befallen pretty much anyone who worked with a financial adviser to try to find a good place to put money that needed to be accessible in the short term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@40:</p>
<p>&gt; If you work at a startup that goes belly up because management put its “spare cash” into an ARS to generate a return (as opposed to using its “spare cash” to generate a return through a viable business model) then blame your management, not the Wall Street salesman who sold them on ARSes.</p>
<p>The problem with that notion is that Venture Capital doesn&#8217;t come in a steady stream, it comes in rounds of investment &#8212; i.e. lump sums. If you&#8217;re spending all of your cash this month, you won&#8217;t make payroll next month. So after you get your financing, you&#8217;re sitting on a pile of cash that decreases at whatever your burn rate is.</p>
<p>If you have that cash buried under your mattress, you receive no interest on that money, so it loses value at the rate of inflation. If you have it in a savings account, it&#8217;s generally only slightly better. So typically, you want to invest it in money market funds, CDs, or other minimal-risk, highly liquid cash equivalents.</p>
<p>After an unblemished 20-year track record, ARSes were believed to be highly liquid cash equivalents, even by the financial professionals who worked with them. It&#8217;s not like these companies were investing in exotic currency or real-estate derivatives &#8212; this was supposed to be as low risk as an investment not backed by the FDIC can get.</p>
<p>Unless you think we should all keep a chest full of Krugerrands buried in the back yard for when the revolution comes, this is a problem that could have befallen pretty much anyone who worked with a financial adviser to try to find a good place to put money that needed to be accessible in the short term.</p>
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		<title>By: There's The Bubble!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2033136</link>
		<dc:creator>There's The Bubble!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone who survived Web 1.0 (like me), and has been waiting for Bubble 2.0 to burst, here it is.

Good luck, all.  Been there, done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone who survived Web 1.0 (like me), and has been waiting for Bubble 2.0 to burst, here it is.</p>
<p>Good luck, all.  Been there, done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Amway Salesman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2033096</link>
		<dc:creator>Amway Salesman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chrisco: maybe the people who bought these securities should take some personal responsibility instead of blaming greedy Wall Street salesmen? 

The problems with all of these voodoo securities have been well-known to people who actually took the time to understand what they were being sold. Most people, however, chose not to do any research or to ignore the risks.

The idiots who bought these piles of garbage deserve what they get. If you work at a startup that goes belly up because management put its &quot;spare cash&quot; into an ARS to generate a return (as opposed to using its &quot;spare cash&quot; to generate a return through a viable business model) then blame your management, not the Wall Street salesman who sold them on ARSes.

Wake up America. Lawyers and government cannot bail you out. Accept that you have made stupid decisions, fix your mistakes and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chrisco: maybe the people who bought these securities should take some personal responsibility instead of blaming greedy Wall Street salesmen? </p>
<p>The problems with all of these voodoo securities have been well-known to people who actually took the time to understand what they were being sold. Most people, however, chose not to do any research or to ignore the risks.</p>
<p>The idiots who bought these piles of garbage deserve what they get. If you work at a startup that goes belly up because management put its &#8220;spare cash&#8221; into an ARS to generate a return (as opposed to using its &#8220;spare cash&#8221; to generate a return through a viable business model) then blame your management, not the Wall Street salesman who sold them on ARSes.</p>
<p>Wake up America. Lawyers and government cannot bail you out. Accept that you have made stupid decisions, fix your mistakes and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: johns</title>
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		<dc:creator>johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could of read about this problem in one of my favorite financial blogs back on 2/21

It&#039;s too late to protect your ARS:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/02/its-too-late-to-protect-your-ars.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could of read about this problem in one of my favorite financial blogs back on 2/21</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too late to protect your ARS:<br />
<a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/02/its-too-late-to-protect-your-ars.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/02/its-too-late-to-protect-your-ars.html'>http://globalec...t-your-ars.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Assaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What people have to keep in mind is that these auctions have not defaulted, yet.  The issue is liquidity as some people have already mentioned.  

It&#039;s incredible how it works too...people need to take note that their may be some upcoming liquidity issues, so everyone sells to prevent getting caught, and in the process REALLY creates a liquidity issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What people have to keep in mind is that these auctions have not defaulted, yet.  The issue is liquidity as some people have already mentioned.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredible how it works too&#8230;people need to take note that their may be some upcoming liquidity issues, so everyone sells to prevent getting caught, and in the process REALLY creates a liquidity issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ty</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032805</link>
		<dc:creator>ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.auctionratesecurity.com</description>
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		<title>By: chrisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>chrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just goes to show you can&#039;t trust Wall Street salesman...  that whole system if one big perversion of wrong incentives.  But then again, only the greedy are vulnerable.  Maybe that&#039;s a little harsh, but the KISS principal applies to pretty much everything, including (especially) Wall Street exotics peddled by overpaid Amway salesmen out to earn the biggest commissions for themselves, damn the customer.  True, if you kill the customer, the money stops...  but you can&#039;t kill all of the customers, as new ones are born every minute.  See here for a summary of how it all works: http://chrisco.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/the-sub-prime-mess-powerpoint-download/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just goes to show you can&#8217;t trust Wall Street salesman&#8230;  that whole system if one big perversion of wrong incentives.  But then again, only the greedy are vulnerable.  Maybe that&#8217;s a little harsh, but the KISS principal applies to pretty much everything, including (especially) Wall Street exotics peddled by overpaid Amway salesmen out to earn the biggest commissions for themselves, damn the customer.  True, if you kill the customer, the money stops&#8230;  but you can&#8217;t kill all of the customers, as new ones are born every minute.  See here for a summary of how it all works: <a href="http://chrisco.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/the-sub-prime-mess-powerpoint-download/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://chrisco.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/the-sub-prime-mess-powerpoint-download/'>http://chrisco....point-download/</a></p>
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		<title>By: gregory</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032742</link>
		<dc:creator>gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two things i have rarely seen here on tc, discussion of the house-of-cards economy, and on the limitations of bandwidth on the net

reality will change that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>two things i have rarely seen here on tc, discussion of the house-of-cards economy, and on the limitations of bandwidth on the net</p>
<p>reality will change that</p>
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		<title>By: MMT</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032674</link>
		<dc:creator>MMT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ARS come in two forms 1) municipal and 2) closed end funds.  If the money is invested in municipal bond ARS the start-ups should be able to get their cash out because the rates soar to 10-15% upon a failed auction (no municipality wants to pay that and will refinance which generally takes 5-6 weeks).  If a business has invested in the close-end fund ARS they may never get their money back because the default rates on these are much, much lower.  There is no reason for the fund to return the money.

ARS were considered cash equivalent securities (sort of, open to interpretation) until last year when FASB clarified the definition of ARS and recommended they be removed from cash flow statements.  Many investment bankers believe this may have triggered the collapse in the ARS auction market.

BestCashCow has quite a few articles on ARS.
http://www.bestcashcow.com/library/cloud.html/tag/auction_rate_securities</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ARS come in two forms 1) municipal and 2) closed end funds.  If the money is invested in municipal bond ARS the start-ups should be able to get their cash out because the rates soar to 10-15% upon a failed auction (no municipality wants to pay that and will refinance which generally takes 5-6 weeks).  If a business has invested in the close-end fund ARS they may never get their money back because the default rates on these are much, much lower.  There is no reason for the fund to return the money.</p>
<p>ARS were considered cash equivalent securities (sort of, open to interpretation) until last year when FASB clarified the definition of ARS and recommended they be removed from cash flow statements.  Many investment bankers believe this may have triggered the collapse in the ARS auction market.</p>
<p>BestCashCow has quite a few articles on ARS.<br />
<a href="http://www.bestcashcow.com/library/cloud.html/tag/auction_rate_securities" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.bestcashcow.com/library/cloud.html/tag/auction_rate_securities'>http://www.best...rate_securities</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ivan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032662</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred Wilson (VC blogger) is good on this and his run in with them: 
http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/03/our-run-in-with.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Wilson (VC blogger) is good on this and his run in with them:<br />
<a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/03/our-run-in-with.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/03/our-run-in-with.html'>http://avc.blog...un-in-with.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Elbows</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Elbows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well apparently the housing bubble was a big cushion from the dot com crash, so we havent even really lived up to the fallout from 2000 yet, let alone what will happen with the latest crisis.

From what Ive read it seems that over at least several decades, much of the world and its institutions have got into a situation where a large proportion of the &#039;wealth&#039; that exists is just a mirage, and this has started to unravel over the last 8 months.

Liquidity is certainly a big issue now, I dont think its started to bite noticably in the tech sector yet but Im sure it will, given time.

Does advertising spend decrease a lot during recessions or depressions? If so then I guess that could change the face of the web and how business is done forever. 

In some ways I think an era of economic woe and possible resource shortages, could find the internet even more useful to humans, and profitable to some. One of the things that makes the net attractive is just how cheaply some useful things can be done, but this advantage is often lost due the large amounts of money that seem to get spent on unnecessary things. 

Part of the current economic picture seems to be that as western banks etc have money problems, they are sometimes getting partially bought by foreign sovereign wealth funds. Are there many foreign investors in English-speaking websites so far? Maybe they could come to the rescue, although its usually so easy to copy such sites and avoid all of the costs and exposure to the US consumer &amp; dollar, that maybe this lifeline wont be available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well apparently the housing bubble was a big cushion from the dot com crash, so we havent even really lived up to the fallout from 2000 yet, let alone what will happen with the latest crisis.</p>
<p>From what Ive read it seems that over at least several decades, much of the world and its institutions have got into a situation where a large proportion of the &#8216;wealth&#8217; that exists is just a mirage, and this has started to unravel over the last 8 months.</p>
<p>Liquidity is certainly a big issue now, I dont think its started to bite noticably in the tech sector yet but Im sure it will, given time.</p>
<p>Does advertising spend decrease a lot during recessions or depressions? If so then I guess that could change the face of the web and how business is done forever. </p>
<p>In some ways I think an era of economic woe and possible resource shortages, could find the internet even more useful to humans, and profitable to some. One of the things that makes the net attractive is just how cheaply some useful things can be done, but this advantage is often lost due the large amounts of money that seem to get spent on unnecessary things. </p>
<p>Part of the current economic picture seems to be that as western banks etc have money problems, they are sometimes getting partially bought by foreign sovereign wealth funds. Are there many foreign investors in English-speaking websites so far? Maybe they could come to the rescue, although its usually so easy to copy such sites and avoid all of the costs and exposure to the US consumer &amp; dollar, that maybe this lifeline wont be available.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan M. O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032521</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan M. O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those looking for a place to sell your auction rate securities, I encourage you to visit the Restricted Securities Trading Network (RSTN) at www.RestrictedSecurities.net.  The RSTN is the largest centralized secondary market for ARS.  The firm I work for, Restricted Stock Partners, manages the RSTN.  Alternatively, please feel free to call me directly at 212.668.3909 or via email at boconnor@restrictedstockpartners.com with any questions.  Regards, Brendan O’Connor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those looking for a place to sell your auction rate securities, I encourage you to visit the Restricted Securities Trading Network (RSTN) at <a href="http://www.RestrictedSecurities.net" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.RestrictedSecurities.net'>http://www.Rest...dSecurities.net</a>.  The RSTN is the largest centralized secondary market for ARS.  The firm I work for, Restricted Stock Partners, manages the RSTN.  Alternatively, please feel free to call me directly at 212.668.3909 or via email at <a href="mailto:boconnor@restrictedstockpartners.com">boconnor@restrictedstockpartners.com</a> with any questions.  Regards, Brendan O’Connor</p>
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		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/11/20-of-valley-startups-cant-get-to-their-cash/comment-page-1/#comment-2032512</link>
		<dc:creator>The Drama 2.0 Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is Your Bubble Now...&lt;/strong&gt;

As the United States economy tanks, I&#8217;ve noticed quite a bit of arrogance amongst Silicon Valley types who are quick to point out &#8220;This isn&#8217;t our bubble.&#8221; Many have expressed a sentiment that the serious problems in the greater ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is Your Bubble Now&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>As the United States economy tanks, I&#8217;ve noticed quite a bit of arrogance amongst Silicon Valley types who are quick to point out &#8220;This isn&#8217;t our bubble.&#8221; Many have expressed a sentiment that the serious problems in the greater &#8230;</p>
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