March 10, 2008

Watch Out FriendFeed: Socialthing! Is Even Easier to Use

Mark Hendrickson

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Update: Head over to InviteShare to help others get into Socialthing! Each user is given 10 invites to hand out.

There are a bazillion social network aggregators out there (Mike attempted to round up some of the most notable ones here). FriendFeed is the most visible of them all for two main reasons: it was founded a group of ex-Googlers and, as a consequence, benefits from a clean and easy-to-use design.

But FriendFeed’s going to have some serious competition from a TechStars startup called Socialthing!, which makes it even easier to get an overview of what your friends are doing on the web.

Socialthing! officially goes into private beta today and will let in the first 1,000 TechCrunch readers who use the invitation code “TechCrunch” to sign up (you’ll probably have to wait a few days to get your account, however). The service primarily differs from FriendFeed in the way it determines which of your friends to track. While FriendFeed actually requires users to create their own list of friends on FriendFeed, Socialthing! realizes you probably don’t want to create yet another list of your friends. So instead of asking you to do more work, it automatically detects who your friends are on the social services to which you belong.

The distinction may sound inconsequential but Socialthing!’s method actually makes things a lot easier, both for initial set up and for longer term maintenance. When you sign up for Socialthing!, you only have to provide it with your credentials to sites like Facebook and Pownce. And as time goes by, you don’t have to worry about setting up new friends on the service because it will automatically know that you’ve become friends with people elsewhere. In contrast, FriendFeed requires you to both explicitly designate friends during the initial configuration (either one-by-one or through Facebook/Gmail importing) and manually add new friends over time.

Another benefit Socialthing! has over FriendFeed is its focus on allowing users to send data back to social services (if you want to respond to someone’s tweet, for example, you can do so directly from Socialthing!). On the other hand, FriendFeed is all about reading data from services but not about writing it back.

While FriendFeed generally takes more effort, its approach does have unique advantages. You can follow friends of friends on FriendFeed and see updates from services that you don’t personally use, all because FriendFeed users have more independently-defined presences. FriendFeed also supports a wider range of services than Socialthing! (28 vs. 11, although Facebook updates are noticeably lacking from FriendFeed). Time, however, should narrow the gap.

In the end, whether FriendFeed succeeds more than Socialthing! will depend on whether people are looking for another community or just a way to easily track their existing ones. I suspect the latter will be the case.

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  1. Forumer™

    thx for the invite code ;)

  2. Morgan

    I love that this story comes immediately after this:

    “These users should have known better than to type their email credentials into a third party service, so sympathy levels are at a minimum.”

    I’ll just hop on over to SocialThing! now and enter my credentials (I wouldn’t anyway, but it was just funny).

  3. Forumer™

    #2 … thx, that’s exactly my thought after my post :/

  4. sharpshoot

    Socialthing is not a Y Combinator startup - its from TechStars. Get it right Mark.

  5. Scabr

    Waiting invite code…

  6. Mark Hendrickson

    @Morgan - true true, it’s an issue that’s being worked on though; you don’t actually have to give your username and password to Socialthing! for some of these services to include them (Pownce and Facebook for example). It all depends on how robust those services’ APIs are.

  7. Mark Hendrickson

    @sharpshoot - Yikes, good catch and fixed; not sure how I got that one wrong

  8. Andrew Nesbitt

    Ruby on rails powered if I’m not mistaken

  9. John

    Has anyone gotten it to work? I haven’t got anything but error trying to fetch data.

  10. Ross Hill

    6. Mike I agree - it is great to see new websites adopting APIs where possible.

  11. ZiZi

    all i got is error this and error that.

  12. Steffest

    The BIG difference with FriendFeed is that FriendFeed aggregates all your data WITHOUT asking for your password.
    Do you really trust 1 website with all your passwords to your social services?
    Also seriously lacking in Socialthing is the ability to add an arbitrary RSS feed to the livestream. (Like your blog)
    If SocialThing wants to survive it needs to step up before its momentum is gone again.

  13. Sebastian

    @ZiZi
    “error loading this and that content” is just another way to tell you that they haven’t yet loaded any data, in a very, very bad way. just reload five minutes later, and you’ll see stuff there.

    @topic
    socialthing is pretty cool, but I actually don’t think I want to follow the same people like on my social networks, simply because each network has different people from a different background. I don’t want to have work relations with private relations mixed up. If I had the same people on all the networks, what’s the point of being on each and every network?

  14. My-Hou

    Waiting invite code~
    Thank

  15. 113.com

    Socialthing! certainly easier.. but, didn’t the guys doing FriendFeed design the Gmail UI before?! :-)

  16. Sebastian

    @Steffest
    you need to enter your password because they aggregating so much more data - stuff they need your password for. but then again, they’re using authorization tools wherever they’re available (like Flickr and Facebook).
    as for RSS feeds and stuff: yes, I miss that option, too. but they’re a start-up, damn. nobody gets everything right from day one, FriendFeed didn’t either. and given their pretty cool service they can be sure to get more TechCrunch-articles when they go live, so not much momentum to lose here.

  17. Kyle Dylan Conner

    With a nice desktop program I’m in.

  18. Matt Galligan

    Mark, thanks for the writeup! We really appreciate it.

    First off, as for the errors, we weren’t warned (no problem Mark) that we were going to hit TechCrunch, so when it happened, our servers had a few issues, we’re back on it, and things are back up and running.

    I am going to be posting on our blog RE: Passwords…

    Thanks again

  19. vepa

    I wish one of them release public api so other websites can integrate their users and get ready to use friends feed without hassle. Otherwise each small social network have to program their own news feed.

  20. Dennis Bjørn Petersen

    I got my account instantly. Didn’t have to wait.

    The registration went smoothly, except it didn’t like my last name “Bjørn Petersen”. Is it because it’s no names or because of the Danish letter “Ø” ?

    I can’t seem to login to my Twitter-account either ;)

    I recently signed up with FriendFeed and I didn’t have to give my password away to add a service.

  21. Luigi Montanez

    Having to give my password for del.icio.us and Twitter is a complete non-starter. No thanks Socialthing!

  22. OnkelSchark

    I got my confirmation email immediately, didn’t have to wait a few days.

    Playing around with the service now, so far, so good. :)

  23. Philipp Lenssen

    Actually, Friendfeed allows you to automatically import your friends from Gmail, Yahoo Mail and Hotmail, and also has a Facebook connector. “The best way to automatically find your friends is to add the FriendFeed Facebook application. Whenever one of your Facebook friends starts using FriendFeed, you will automatically get subscribed to each other.” It’s perhaps a bit different to Socialthing but it’s not completely outside their radar. Personally, I’m happy Friendfeed doesn’t require my Facebook network as I don’t use Facebook (or any other social network, not in the true sense of “using” the network, i.e. keeping my friends list up-to-date… indeed, my email account may be the only true representation of who my contacts are).

  24. Olivier Duprez alias ze kat

    I’m not convinced that these twice products are the best way…

    As LiFE2Front LiFE-Line is probably a best lifestream based profiling system, I work on friendstream network dashboard named Seek-LiNE :o” .oO(perfect social weapon)

  25. Jagannath

    lol they dont allow IE… only with an unsupported mode ;)

    had to use firefox :)

  26. Forumistan

    That is nice program. Thanks for that, I am gonna use this now!

  27. nick

    well it is a good start, missing a number of services but it is new so I’m assuming in time others will be added. Also to me I see FriendFeed more as a way for me to share with others and SocialThing as a way for me to keep track of others. Anyways thanks for the heads up and the invite code

  28. hygo

    There is a similar website that is doing exactly the same thing, but in Chinese.

    http://planbus.com

    It is hard to start in china as there hasn’t got many open-api social networking websites.

  29. shallwe

    thx for the invite code

  30. Stephen Paul Weber

    FriendFeed - mildly creepy - aggregates the user and lets (forces?) the user to pick who to follow

    Spokeo - most creepy - aggregates my friends (friends being GMail address book) from places I didn’t know they were!

    Socialthing! - not creepty - aggregates stuff that I was aggregating from my friends anyway - my friends being whoever I’ve added as a friend already on the relevant service.

  31. Robert Sanzalone

    Have been using Both FriendFeed and SocialThing for the past little while and have been VERY pleased with both BUT both take work and each has their assets.

    SocialThing is cool because it will allow you to view Facebook friends with your friends from other services… BUT the services are limited to a few of the more popular.

    FriendFeed rocks in being able to create “imaginary friends” and build lists of blogs and other feeds for each PERSON.. a lot of work which can be rewarding (far better than just a feed reader in my opinion) BUT.. no capacity to connect with Facebook.

    Until a service comes along which can do ALL OF THE ABOVE TOGETHER, utilizing both at this point is worth it.

  32. Et

    The biggest problem with SocialThing! is that you have to give your credentials for other sites. When are people going to understand that Single Sign On is the way to go? OpenID, one password to rule them all.

  33. Julian Bond

    We really need to moan at both ends of the data collection about failure to use proper authentication like oAuth, BBAuth and AuthSub. I’m thinking more and more that we’ve got to stop asking people for their password on other services. But that needs some support for these standards.

  34. Matt Galligan

    @ET @Julian

    Completely agreed. We would love to see ubiquitous support for OAuth to make the dream of not having to ask for passwords a reality. You can read more about that “dream” with this most recent blog post we put up this morning to answer a few questions from folks…

  35. Corvida

    I hope for it’s own sake that Socialthing! can live up to the hype that Techcrunch has put behind it and address user complaints ASAP! If not, I can see this being in Techcrunch’s dead pool just as quickly as it hit the front page. Still, it’s something to keep an eye on…

    As for taking FriendFeed’s light; I doubt it. FriendFeed is easy enough and I happen to like picking and choosing whom to add and dismiss. That’s not something I want automated regardless of who I’m friends with. Sometimes, friends on certain networks don’t overlap and I certainly wouldn’t add all of my Twitter followers to FriendFeed nor Socialthing! Having a choice isn’t a bad thing and doesn’t make life that much of a hassle Techcrunch. I think Mark Hendrickson is simply being lazy! =P

    Read more of my response at my website.

  36. Matt

    Enough already with the company names ending in an exclamation point.

  37. Adam

    Aside from Yahoo! (which is reluctantly grandfathered in), I am in complete agreement with Matt. so! utterly! obnoxious! and! lame! Will not use.

  38. lee

    Nice post..

  39. Josh

    Congrats to Socialthing(!)

    Really glad to see it out…keep kicking ass at SXSW.

  40. You all crack me up

    Yawn. No one cares about social site aggregation. Another “TechCrunch” crowd product.

  41. Jcyreus

    Now if we could just get something to help us save time (like a secure userID / pw aggregator) instead of something that helps us to waste more time the world would be a better place.

  42. Mark Hendrickson

    @Matt Galligan - sorry about the late Sunday night post; just trying to keep things interesting

    @Corvida - hey now =) it’s good to design products that appeal to lazy people; otherwise they won’t use them. Plus, we’re all lazy on some level anyhow

  43. Fabrizio Giordano

    Good luck from a competitor :)

  44. Vic

    This thing sounds more like Spokeo than Friendfeed.

  45. Chris

    I agree with Vic. I’ve been using Spokeo for a few weeks now and like it better than FriendFeed. Though, if Socialthing! has a cleaner/smoother interface I’ll be curious to check it out.

  46. Aidan Henry

    Niceeeee… another echo-chamber management tool. These things just remind me that I need to get out of the house more often and focus on my “real life”.

    Cheers,
    Aidan
    http://www.MappingTheWeb.com

  47. what

    so, what’s the point?

  48. Stephen Paul Weber

    RE: passwords and vs FriendFeed

    Typical TC n00bz. FriendFeed doesn`t ask for your twitter password because your tweets are /public/ and all it does is index them.

    Socialthing! gets your /friends/ tweets - a feat made infinitely easier by the Twitter API (whose OAuth support is not yet official, so, yes, password required). They also let you reply to Tweets inline - again, API needed.

    The services don’t really even do the same thing. FriendFeed is about making it easier for others to subscribe to you, Socialthing! is about aggregating the people you already subscribe to on the different networks.

  49. Inetgate

    Hi!

    When I try to sign up, I can’t find invitation code field from top page.
    Are this time 1,000 techcrunch reader invitations already exhausted?

  50. John

    I hate to be the negative one, but all I’ve seen from this service so far (an believe me I’ve tried) is messages such as:

    twitter: There was an error fetching data
    flickr: There was an error fetching data
    facebook: There was an error fetching data

    So unless Socialthing primarily is intending to be ‘the next generation of error aggregators’ I’m giving up on this service.

  51. Guruvardhan

    wow,

    brilliant stuff i must say…. and with a clean interface its bound to be a hit!

    http://www.80feetroad.blogspot.com

  52. Rick

    After a cursory exploration I see more value from Flock’s People Sidebar.

  53. Chris Miller

    I did a review on both of these. SocialThing has a big security issue right now not allowing you to remove accounts or data once it is in there. Plus the amount of sites it supports puts it way behind ones such as Profilactic.

    You can see my reviews of both
    http://TheSocialNetworker.com

  54. Trevor Stone

    There are a bazillion social network aggregators out there

    So next you’ll need social network meta-aggregators?

  55. Cat Chen

    My Socialthing account has only 6 available services, which are Facebook, Flickr, Twitter, LiveJournal, Pownce, and Vimeo. Why? Where are the others?