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	<title>Comments on: Cisco Invests in Hybrid Content Delivery Network, GridNetworks</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TranspacCanuck</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2034076</link>
		<dc:creator>TranspacCanuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 11:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one on Mac OS X who gets the "Mac OS X" download page (good) but then clicks download only to receive a .EXE file (bad)? Did someone make a booboo? I would love to see this, but... I'm not launching VMWare just for this. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one on Mac OS X who gets the &#8220;Mac OS X&#8221; download page (good) but then clicks download only to receive a .EXE file (bad)? Did someone make a booboo? I would love to see this, but&#8230; I&#8217;m not launching VMWare just for this. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Raul Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2033621</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know the 384 Kbps upstream limit is so that we mere mortals cannot become a web host of pictures and video, but enough "mortals" can upstream HD if done correctly.  Even 720p at 24 Frames/second is HD and can look very good at 6 Mbps or less using H.264.

I think that we are almost there as to technology that can work around the 384 Kbps limit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know the 384 Kbps upstream limit is so that we mere mortals cannot become a web host of pictures and video, but enough &#8220;mortals&#8221; can upstream HD if done correctly.  Even 720p at 24 Frames/second is HD and can look very good at 6 Mbps or less using H.264.</p>
<p>I think that we are almost there as to technology that can work around the 384 Kbps limit.</p>
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		<title>By: Gubatron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2031172</link>
		<dc:creator>Gubatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 Raul, also, I like that you mention that you'd need several neighbors giving you 384kbps of their upstream.

If you need 6Mbps to watch HD, then you need about 16 peers sending you 384Kbps each. So, this means, for each movie viewer you need another 16 guys that have watched the same thing, you as a peer would need to:
  - Find the peers with the parts of the movie you need
  - Coordinate the chunk requests
  - Organize the chunks received (probably you won't receive everything, people will disconnect, so you'll need to re-request pieces, find more peers, or request from the main server)
  - Decompress the video data

doing this you're probably using a lot of upstream yourself, and CPU.

at the same time, you're probably a peer.

Where do you get all that bandwidth nowadays unless you pay for the most expensive upstream?

We need ISPs to start giving up more upstream.

I love the idea, and I think its what we need, something like a torrent client optimized for video delivery, with a catalog of 90k movies.

That would certainly kill the DVD (in response to Pogue's video yesterday)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 Raul, also, I like that you mention that you&#8217;d need several neighbors giving you 384kbps of their upstream.</p>
<p>If you need 6Mbps to watch HD, then you need about 16 peers sending you 384Kbps each. So, this means, for each movie viewer you need another 16 guys that have watched the same thing, you as a peer would need to:<br />
  - Find the peers with the parts of the movie you need<br />
  - Coordinate the chunk requests<br />
  - Organize the chunks received (probably you won&#8217;t receive everything, people will disconnect, so you&#8217;ll need to re-request pieces, find more peers, or request from the main server)<br />
  - Decompress the video data</p>
<p>doing this you&#8217;re probably using a lot of upstream yourself, and CPU.</p>
<p>at the same time, you&#8217;re probably a peer.</p>
<p>Where do you get all that bandwidth nowadays unless you pay for the most expensive upstream?</p>
<p>We need ISPs to start giving up more upstream.</p>
<p>I love the idea, and I think its what we need, something like a torrent client optimized for video delivery, with a catalog of 90k movies.</p>
<p>That would certainly kill the DVD (in response to Pogue&#8217;s video yesterday)</p>
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		<title>By: Gubatron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2031129</link>
		<dc:creator>Gubatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4 It sounds pretty good in theory, it works to a certain degree, but currently there are so many shortcoming with upstream throughput that if you want to do Live P2P (using mostly p2p), the ISPs should get their act together and establish better routing paths so that nearby networks don't have to route packets outside their networks. Some ISPs are working towards these goals, while others are resetting p2p connections. (See comcast and how they're screwing their customers)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4 It sounds pretty good in theory, it works to a certain degree, but currently there are so many shortcoming with upstream throughput that if you want to do Live P2P (using mostly p2p), the ISPs should get their act together and establish better routing paths so that nearby networks don&#8217;t have to route packets outside their networks. Some ISPs are working towards these goals, while others are resetting p2p connections. (See comcast and how they&#8217;re screwing their customers)</p>
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		<title>By: Gubatron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2031115</link>
		<dc:creator>Gubatron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Michael Volpi (Current CEO at Joost and Former Senior VP at Cisco) is aware of GridNetworks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Michael Volpi (Current CEO at Joost and Former Senior VP at Cisco) is aware of GridNetworks.</p>
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		<title>By: ASUS</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2031018</link>
		<dc:creator>ASUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out http://www.ReelTime.com if you want to see Grid Networks in action. ReelTime uses the grid player to stream their movies. Grid has the best technology out there for this in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://www.ReelTime.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ReelTime.com</a> if you want to see Grid Networks in action. ReelTime uses the grid player to stream their movies. Grid has the best technology out there for this in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Raul Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2030793</link>
		<dc:creator>Raul Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that P2P delivery can drastically reduce the cost of HD content delivery since every available "nearby" client that has received the content can become a server of part of the stream.  

Think about it, your neighbor watches some HD movie that you want to watch, if he still has it in his hard drive and he has available upload bandwidth why not get part of the HD movie from him?  I mention "part" of the HD movie since an HD movie compressed with today's best technology requires at least 6 Mbps and your neighbor can upload at a maximum of 384 Kbps via ADSL so he can provide you with about 1/16 of the needed content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that P2P delivery can drastically reduce the cost of HD content delivery since every available &#8220;nearby&#8221; client that has received the content can become a server of part of the stream.  </p>
<p>Think about it, your neighbor watches some HD movie that you want to watch, if he still has it in his hard drive and he has available upload bandwidth why not get part of the HD movie from him?  I mention &#8220;part&#8221; of the HD movie since an HD movie compressed with today&#8217;s best technology requires at least 6 Mbps and your neighbor can upload at a maximum of 384 Kbps via ADSL so he can provide you with about 1/16 of the needed content.</p>
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		<title>By: Edoardo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2030168</link>
		<dc:creator>Edoardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last days I have tried to publish an idea of mine quite similar, but that regards the web aspect. If you wanna have informations o on www.web2bm.com
Seems hard to be noticed if your name is not Cisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last days I have tried to publish an idea of mine quite similar, but that regards the web aspect. If you wanna have informations o on <a href="http://www.web2bm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.web2bm.com</a><br />
Seems hard to be noticed if your name is not Cisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Forumistan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2030144</link>
		<dc:creator>Forumistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gridnetworks, it looks nice. I am gonna check it out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gridnetworks, it looks nice. I am gonna check it out&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Your Daddy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/10/cisco-invests-in-hybrid-content-delivery-network-gridnetworks/#comment-2030039</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Daddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cisco should buy Comcast and they're set!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cisco should buy Comcast and they&#8217;re set!</p>
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