Comments on: Adobe’s Flash Not Good Enough for Steve Jobs http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/ Startup and Technology News Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:00:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Adobe Breakthrough! Flash Working on the iPhone . . . In The Labs, On An Emulator, Oh Well | Xaby.com | Singapore Web Design Company Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2380575 Adobe Breakthrough! Flash Working on the iPhone . . . In The Labs, On An Emulator, Oh Well | Xaby.com | Singapore Web Design Company Blog Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:01:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2380575 [...] will Apple allow Flash for the iPhone? Steve Jobs has claimed in the past that the mobile version of Flash—presumably what Adobe would be porting over to the [...] [...] will Apple allow Flash for the iPhone? Steve Jobs has claimed in the past that the mobile version of Flash—presumably what Adobe would be porting over to the [...]

]]> By: Adobe Breakthrough! Flash Working on the iPhone . . . In The Labs, On An Emulator, Oh Well http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2376910 Adobe Breakthrough! Flash Working on the iPhone . . . In The Labs, On An Emulator, Oh Well Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:38:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2376910 [...] will Apple allow Flash for the iPhone? Steve Jobs has claimed in the past that the mobile version of Flash—presumably what Adobe would be porting over to the [...] [...] will Apple allow Flash for the iPhone? Steve Jobs has claimed in the past that the mobile version of Flash—presumably what Adobe would be porting over to the [...]

]]> By: Adobe’s Open Screen Project: Write Once, Flash Everywhere http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2241244 Adobe’s Open Screen Project: Write Once, Flash Everywhere Thu, 01 May 2008 04:01:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2241244 [...] that work seamlessly together (Mac, iPhone, Apple TV). Steve Jobs also notably snubbed Adobe by refusing to put Flash on the iPhone. Maybe his engineers can now make their own version that satisfies their exacting [...] [...] that work seamlessly together (Mac, iPhone, Apple TV). Steve Jobs also notably snubbed Adobe by refusing to put Flash on the iPhone. Maybe his engineers can now make their own version that satisfies their exacting [...]

]]> By: 5.4 million iPhones sold, but the phone still missing mobile marketing features | Inside Mobile Marketing http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2233263 5.4 million iPhones sold, but the phone still missing mobile marketing features | Inside Mobile Marketing Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:32:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2233263 [...] Flash support in the browser. I guess we can say that it’s not really like surfing the internet on your PC. Also - the YouTube application is NOT using Flash video, but rather H.264 streaming [...] [...] Flash support in the browser. I guess we can say that it’s not really like surfing the internet on your PC. Also - the YouTube application is NOT using Flash video, but rather H.264 streaming [...]

]]> By: open end funds » Adobe Forging Ahead with Flash for the iPhone http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2059913 open end funds » Adobe Forging Ahead with Flash for the iPhone Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:47:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2059913 [...] that Adobe (ADBE) plans to build Flash into the iPhone with the newly released SDK, even though Steve Jobs declared less than two weeks ago that the technology wasn’t ready for the [...] [...] that Adobe (ADBE) plans to build Flash into the iPhone with the newly released SDK, even though Steve Jobs declared less than two weeks ago that the technology wasn’t ready for the [...]

]]> By: Apple stabs Adobe in the back | Alex McFarlane http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2054173 Apple stabs Adobe in the back | Alex McFarlane Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:20:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2054173 [...] Articles:  TechCrunch « Should Firefox Be Scared of IE8?YouTube’s Personalized [...] [...] Articles:  TechCrunch « Should Firefox Be Scared of IE8?YouTube’s Personalized [...]

]]> By: Spreading Funkyness» Blog Archive » Flash Player on iPhone http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2045215 Spreading Funkyness» Blog Archive » Flash Player on iPhone Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:15:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2045215 [...] at the iPhone sdk and was fascinated by its features. But this is a good news. Steve was lamenting there is a gap between the Flash player and its lite version. Let’s hope the gap will be filled soon! Posted at 2:34 pm. Post a comment. [...] [...] at the iPhone sdk and was fascinated by its features. But this is a good news. Steve was lamenting there is a gap between the Flash player and its lite version. Let’s hope the gap will be filled soon! Posted at 2:34 pm. Post a comment. [...]

]]> By: Adobe Forging Ahead with Flash for the iPhone Despite Jobs’ Remarks http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2044891 Adobe Forging Ahead with Flash for the iPhone Despite Jobs’ Remarks Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:40:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2044891 [...] reporting that Adobe plans to build Flash into the iPhone with the newly released SDK, even though Steve Jobs declared less than two weeks ago that the technology wasn’t ready for the [...] [...] reporting that Adobe plans to build Flash into the iPhone with the newly released SDK, even though Steve Jobs declared less than two weeks ago that the technology wasn’t ready for the [...]

]]> By: Daniel Goldman http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2020908 Daniel Goldman Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:52:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2020908 The question is whether Apple will look to SVG as an alternative for Flash. SVG is lightweight, open standard, and is already supported by Firefox, Opera, and Safari. I've speculated about this <a href="http://operawatch.com/news/2008/03/is-apple-looking-to-svg-as-a-flash-replacement-for-the-iphone.html" rel="nofollow">on my blog</a>. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens. Daniel Opera Software The question is whether Apple will look to SVG as an alternative for Flash. SVG is lightweight, open standard, and is already supported by Firefox, Opera, and Safari.

I’ve speculated about this on my blog. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what happens.

Daniel
Opera Software

]]> By: Rajiv Singh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017876 Rajiv Singh Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:09:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017876 Because a selection of videos has been converted to another video format that the p.o.s. iPhone can handle. Because a selection of videos has been converted to another video format that the p.o.s. iPhone can handle.

]]> By: John http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017821 John Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:29:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017821 I do not own an iphone and am confused. Isn't youtube on iphone and aren't all youtube videos flash? if the iphone does not suport flash, how does it ply youtube videos? Thanks I do not own an iphone and am confused. Isn’t youtube on iphone and aren’t all youtube videos flash? if the iphone does not suport flash, how does it ply youtube videos?

Thanks

]]> By: Velioncho http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017792 Velioncho Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:54:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017792 This is old news. I read about it I guess couple of weeks back in WSJ. Why is it news now? This is old news. I read about it I guess couple of weeks back in WSJ. Why is it news now?

]]> By: Ree Tanjuatco http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017734 Ree Tanjuatco Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:49:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017734 Next thing we know Adobe is pulling out all their products from all future version of Macs Next thing we know Adobe is pulling out all their products from all future version of Macs

]]> By: lazysupper http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017698 lazysupper Thu, 06 Mar 2008 07:22:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017698 As always, Jobs has an interesting perspective... it seems that Flash is too slow for the iPhone, rather than the iPhone being to slow for Flash. As always, Jobs has an interesting perspective… it seems that Flash is too slow for the iPhone, rather than the iPhone being to slow for Flash.

]]> By: Dan http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017649 Dan Thu, 06 Mar 2008 06:32:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017649 Strange that i-mode phones in Japan have supported Flash for several year snow.. doesn't make sense that something that works fine for developers and users in Japan, on the worlds most successful mobile internet platform, can't work on an iphone which probably has a more sophisticated operation system. http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/service/imode/make/content/flash/about/index.html i always wondered where apple's got their "i" in ipod and iphone.. i think i-mode :) Strange that i-mode phones in Japan have supported Flash for several year snow..

doesn’t make sense that something that works fine for developers and users in Japan, on the worlds most successful mobile internet platform, can’t work on an iphone which probably has a more sophisticated operation system.

http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/eng.....index.html

i always wondered where apple’s got their “i” in ipod and iphone.. i think i-mode :)

]]> By: Robert Accettura's Fun With Wordage http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017475 Robert Accettura's Fun With Wordage Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:28:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017475 <strong>No Flash For iPhone...</strong> Via TechCrunch I noticed that there won’t be flash player for the iPhone anytime soon. I’m not surprised. I said this before. Apple doesn’t want the iPhone to get the reputation of having poor battery life. Apple is said to have av... No Flash For iPhone…

Via TechCrunch I noticed that there won’t be flash player for the iPhone anytime soon. I’m not surprised. I said this before.
Apple doesn’t want the iPhone to get the reputation of having poor battery life. Apple is said to have av…

]]> By: magixman http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017427 magixman Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:23:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017427 Flash is a kludge. I don't mean that it is bad, poorly written or for what it does is a resource hog. It is a kludge because the native model for the browser, HTML/DOM is insufficient for all the needs of rich application developers which has created the need for a parallel universe. Parallel universes are not cheap. This would be particularly evident on an underpowered mobile device. If Flash were supported you would end up with a very pokey experience which is not the folks at Apple have in mind. I think they make the right call in this case even if it limits the user experience for now. Flash is a kludge. I don’t mean that it is bad, poorly written or for what it does is a resource hog. It is a kludge because the native model for the browser, HTML/DOM is insufficient for all the needs of rich application developers which has created the need for a parallel universe. Parallel universes are not cheap. This would be particularly evident on an underpowered mobile device. If Flash were supported you would end up with a very pokey experience which is not the folks at Apple have in mind. I think they make the right call in this case even if it limits the user experience for now.

]]> By: Peter Antypas http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017399 Peter Antypas Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:47:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017399 Apple is a lifestyle company. They are a brand. They will always do things their way. They don't have users, they have FANS. Remember the lines outside of AT&T stores? Adobe really has no place to go. They're a tired old company, still trying to figure out why none wants to pay $XXX.00 for a software package anymore. Apple is a lifestyle company. They are a brand. They will always do things their way. They don’t have users, they have FANS. Remember the lines outside of AT&T stores?

Adobe really has no place to go. They’re a tired old company, still trying to figure out why none wants to pay $XXX.00 for a software package anymore.

]]> By: tricia http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017357 tricia Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:06:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017357 This was predictable. No executive at Adobe including the CEO has a relationship with Steve. He's enjoying watching Adobe squirm. And then he will acquire them. This was predictable. No executive at Adobe including the CEO has a relationship with Steve. He’s enjoying watching Adobe squirm. And then he will acquire them.

]]> By: A.T. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017336 A.T. Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:41:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017336 Poor Steve Almighty seems can't persuade himself to deliver something lower than he assigned as level of deliverable experience. It is finally time for him to learn that one can not sue laws of physics and economics in the court or push the limits of Nature in any other way - if you have no or poor FPU and matrix ops in CPU, it is darn difficult or impossible to deal with vector-based graphics :) Poor Steve Almighty seems can’t persuade himself to deliver something lower than he assigned as level of deliverable experience. It is finally time for him to learn that one can not sue laws of physics and economics in the court or push the limits of Nature in any other way - if you have no or poor FPU and matrix ops in CPU, it is darn difficult or impossible to deal with vector-based graphics :)

]]> By: Raphael Morozov http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017332 Raphael Morozov Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:39:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017332 Actually, the iPhone is not a piece of shit. A jailbroken iPhone is a fantastic device. It's just unfortunate that Jobs still hasn't learned that software is what drives consumers to a given platform over the long term - not hardware Actually, the iPhone is not a piece of shit. A jailbroken iPhone is a fantastic device. It’s just unfortunate that Jobs still hasn’t learned that software is what drives consumers to a given platform over the long term - not hardware

]]> By: Rajiv Singh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017317 Rajiv Singh Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:28:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017317 The iPhone is a piece of shit. The iPhone is a piece of shit.

]]> By: Alex Linhares http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017307 Alex Linhares Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:17:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017307 Adobe should respond by saying they're disappointed but throwing their development efforts into Android. Apple are being such morons... everyone gets an iPhone for AT&T? No.. people jailbreak it; and sell it in countries where it is "not available". The "revolutionary iPhone", I fear, will turn out to be rather like the original "revolutionary Macintosh", a product which eventually loses on the long run for lack of apps and a "good-enough" open alternative. I spend zillions in Apple products, but really, F*ck their closed control freak mentality. Adobe should respond by saying they’re disappointed but throwing their development efforts into Android. Apple are being such morons… everyone gets an iPhone for AT&T? No.. people jailbreak it; and sell it in countries where it is “not available”. The “revolutionary iPhone”, I fear, will turn out to be rather like the original “revolutionary Macintosh”, a product which eventually loses on the long run for lack of apps and a “good-enough” open alternative.

I spend zillions in Apple products, but really, F*ck their closed control freak mentality.

]]> By: Johnny Wadd http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017301 Johnny Wadd Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:13:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017301 Very disappointing news. The iphone, and ipod touch would be much better with flash Very disappointing news. The iphone, and ipod touch would be much better with flash

]]> By: James Gardiner http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017300 James Gardiner Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:11:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/05/adobes-flash-not-good-enough-for-steve-jobs/#comment-2017300 Flash is highly optimised and has a lot of MACHINE CODE in its code base. Saying its not good enough performance is BLATANT FUD (Fear uncertainty and dough) to make excuses for not implementing Flash. 2 issues would exist. 1. Adobe licenses COST. I imagine Apple has been trying to get Adobe to do a good deal on this. This is how Adobe makes the real money from Flash really. Not from selling the dev. software so much. 2. Flash is a type of Jail-break for the Iphone and Steve would simply not want it anyway. Its just all the users are asking for it. It is a Jail Break as it lets you make very RICH applications for the iPhone. Something Steve/Apple wants to control 100% and charge for. It also brings another form of Video to the phone, which again takes away from the iPhone pushing you towards using iTunes. Flash on the iPhone has always had a hard hill to climb. Its exactly what I want and what users should want if they understood the added features it brings to the phone. Its just not good business for Apple. James Flash is highly optimised and has a lot of MACHINE CODE in its code base. Saying its not good enough performance is BLATANT FUD (Fear uncertainty and dough) to make excuses for not implementing Flash.
2 issues would exist.

1. Adobe licenses COST. I imagine Apple has been trying to get Adobe to do a good deal on this. This is how Adobe makes the real money from Flash really. Not from selling the dev. software so much.

2. Flash is a type of Jail-break for the Iphone and Steve would simply not want it anyway. Its just all the users are asking for it. It is a Jail Break as it lets you make very RICH applications for the iPhone. Something Steve/Apple wants to control 100% and charge for. It also brings another form of Video to the phone, which again takes away from the iPhone pushing you towards using iTunes.

Flash on the iPhone has always had a hard hill to climb. Its exactly what I want and what users should want if they understood the added features it brings to the phone.

Its just not good business for Apple.

James

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