March 3, 2008

Marc Andreessen For Obama

Erick Schonfeld

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Is Silicon Valley going gaga over Presidential candidate Barack Obama? Netscape (and Loudcloud and Ning) founder Marc Andreessen shares his impressions from an hour-and-a-half private meeting he had with the Senator back in early 2007 and declares him to be “normal,” “smart”, “not a radical,” and incredibly “credible.” We here at TechCrunch also find him credible, which is why we endorsed him as the most tech-enlightened Democratic candidate in our Tech President Primaries.

Andreessen sheds some more light on Obama’s leadership and foreign policy skills—two areas where he’s been criticized as being weak. Excerpt:

We asked him directly, how concerned should we be that you haven’t had meaningful experience as an executive — as a manager and leader of people?

He said, watch how I run my campaign — you’ll see my leadership skills in action.

We then asked, well, what about foreign policy — should we be concerned that you just don’t have much experience there?

He said — and I’m going to paraphrase a little here: think about who I am — my father was Kenyan; I have close relatives in a small rural village in Kenya to this day; and I spent several years of my childhood living in Jakarta, Indonesia. Think about what it’s going to mean in many parts of the world — parts of the world that we really care about — when I show up as the President of the United States. I’ll be fundamentally changing the world’s perception of what the United States is all about.

He’s got my vote.

That last point is a pretty powerful rejoinder to the criticism that foreign policy is not Obama’s strong suit. His unique life history arguably puts him in a better position than any other candidate to change the anti-American attitudes rife in many other countries. What other candidate could do that simply by being elected?

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  1. Andy Schweig

    completely agreed. Obama is a once in a generation candidate and hopefully this country will not miss this opportunity to elect him president.

  2. Lin

    Oh sure, I’m going to run out and vote for Obama just because some celebrity or tech geek or tech crunch endorses Obama.

  3. jbs

    Political comment/ON

    You said:
    “to change the anti-American attitudes rife in many other countries. What other candidate could do that simply by being elected?”

    IMHO, anti-american attitudes result from the United States being powerful and not the result of any particular policy.

    Following that reasoning, the way to change such anti-American attitudes is to make us, the United States, less powerful.

    jbs

  4. pdr tools

    Obama looks good (atleast better than hillary)

    - although i still question TC’s place in politics.

    *a few questions come to mind.

    - This running along Obama ad? :(

    - This re-boosting TC political canadate..etc..

  5. bgatees

    i guess you want to pay more in taxes. please just continue posting news and not political opinions.

  6. mmt

    This is ludicrous on so many levels and doesn’t belong on a tech blog.

  7. lame

    no place for this on a tech blog - Obama is a 1 hit wonder - good speaker and thats it ! everyone has to realize there is a good chance he has some ties to muslims…

  8. CJR

    OK - nice sound bites…. but…

    HOW do you plan to do these things? I wouldn’t survive 5 minutes in a job interview if I answered questions in this way…

  9. Bryan

    I think that having relatives (and having spent a few years in a foreign country) does not make one a foreign policy genius. Agreed with jbs above, I think the “anti-American attitudes” come from the fact that we’re (for now) the most powerful nation in the world, and that simply electing Obama won’t really change anything.

    Also agree, stick to the tech, please!

  10. AhmedF

    @jds - that is a rather simplistic view.

    @bgatees - tax increases are coming anyway to pay for the massive debt accrued

    @lame - why do people keep repeating this stupid myth about him being a muslim?

  11. BewareTheKoolAid

    What other candidate could change the world’s perception of America simply by being elected? How about the first woman president?

    I find Obama, and his personal story, as compelling as the next guy. I love the visual of him stepping off of Air Force One on the tarmac in Kenya or Indonesia. And sure, to paraphrase Pulp Fiction, personality goes a long way. But anyone who believes that an international lovefest is coming in the wake of an Obama election simply because he’s Obama is simply wishing. Nothing wrong with wishing, of course. But let’s not pretend we’re being analytical about it.

    In any rational universe, Sen. Clinton wins this November in a walk.

  12. altz

    @7: take your racist trash somewhere else please

  13. BRadC

    @lame:
    “everyone has to realize there is a good chance he has some ties to muslims”

    You people are hilarious. Truly. A more ignorant, self-absorbed nation is hard to imagine. Alas, that’s why the rest of the world thinks of you as it does, no other reason.

    1. Get a passport (document used for travelling internationally)
    2. Grow a pair
    3. See the world - or at least some part where the daily norm doesn’t involve stuffing your already fat faces, mock sincerity (”have a nice day!”) and reactionary rhetoric.

    The ideals by which your nation was founded were great but they are but a long distant memory now no matter how much you try and tell yourself otherwise.

  14. Paul

    When a politician has no history, no accomplishments whatsoever, it is easy to project your own beliefs upon them.

    Who cares if the US is ‘liked’? That is tremendously vacuous. This is a dangerous world. The role of the president and commander in chief is to protect american interests abroad. Not to be ‘popular’.

    The US is the only true superpower in the world today. It is easier to blame the US for your problems than to take ownership of them and solve them. Obama won’t change that (he won’t have a chance anyway, McCain will beat him like a drum)

  15. gilltots

    Hillary has a better health plan. Obama’s will never work. mix two parts hope with a dash of naivety and viola! affordable healthcare! nevermind that nobody will actually buy healthcare once it’s affordable, because they’ll just wait until they need it, and then everything will come crashing down. it’s gotta be required, and even then there will be problems with it (just look at how many people with cars don’t have car insurance - even though it’s required. and then when *they* crash into *you*, you get stuck with the higher premiums! BS!!).

    also, wtf?? i was a kid in indonesia = good foreign policy? that’s the biggest stretch ever. that’s like if hillary says “well i bought candy with my allowance when i was a kid, therefore i will be awesome at economics.”

  16. Sandra G

    I swear to God, if he gets elected, I’m moving to Canada. Oh wait, he’s charismatic? Oh well then, he gets my vote. Give me a break.

    Running a campaign and running a country are two totally different things, so completely different, that it’s laughable that Obama would make that comparison. Let’s face it, let’s just say it. The only reason Obama would be elected is because he’s black. He’s a leader of nothing, a one-term senator running for President? Give me a break, the media goes light on him because they don’t want to upset black viewers. A radio host was critical of him and he got death threats. Obama, do the right thing. Learn a little more about politics, be Vice President and see how the job is done.

    Bush has tried to learn as he went for 8 years and look where it got us. This country can’t afford 4 or 8 more years of inept leadership. Being Preseident calls for serious leadership and Obama is about as deep as a frying pan.

  17. nemov

    The fact that Obama has family in Kenya and has lived in Indonesia hardly dismisses that fact he’s inexperienced on the issue of foreign policy. He’s a one term US Senator who has spent his entire term running for President. Instead of offering any specifics on foreign policy he says the “world will like us” if he’s elected. If this is his message during the general election he’s going to get creamed, because most Americans (right or wrong) aren’t worried about what Europe or the Middle-East thinks of our country.

  18. Ryan

    Do you ever wonder why a majority of silicon valley is liberal? Is it that most people that are interested in the web/technology are or what is it?

  19. carhug

    I agree with many of the opinions expressed here. Obama’s answers are weak, like his record. Please just because i’ve lived somewhere for a period of time and have a relative from another country hardly makes me an foreign policy expert. Count me off the Obama lovefest. Lastly, i agree with others about Oprah and Mick Jaggar or other celebrities and how they are going to vote. Can’t we think for ourselves or do we have to see who Judge Judy or Dr. Phil are going to vote before we can take a stand for ourselves? I’m ready to gag.

  20. Zaid

    #14
    Taking actions that leads to hatred for the American people isn’t “protecting american interests abroad.”

    If you have lived abroad before and during Bush’s term, it is very easy to see the change in people’s view of the American people in past decade.

  21. Allen

    The anti-American sentiment is largely magnified by the liberal media (mostly print and TV) - if people only understood that many appreciate what our country has done for them. I don’t have the energy or time to dig up the numerous examples, but figured it was worth mentioning.

    The simple reason I’m not voting for Obama (or Hillary) is because I don’t feel like health care should be socialized - or anything for that matter.

  22. Isaac Clerencia

    Dugg at http://digg.com/politics/Marc_.....rack_Obama

  23. Hashim Warren

    Obama’s answer to Andreessen about foreign policy is exactly what troubles me about world outlook.

    Obama being multi-racial and having some experience living overseas will mean nothing to Kim Jong Il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castro brothers, or Osama bin Laden. I’m guessing they will still hate us.

    Also, Obama told Andreessen that he knows just as much about foreign policy as the other senators he serves with. I’d rather he promise to put competent people in place to handle world matters as he gets up to speed in the White House.

  24. Paul

    #20 GWB took action based on american interests, not what a bunch of French politicians thought.

    Let me explain what you’re doing. The majority of americans agreed that the Taliban and Hussein had to go and Bush made that happen. You didn’t like it, so you’re using the ‘american popularity’ argument against it. Who cares what they think.

    Unless maybe you’re referring to the Tsunamai relief effort. Or all the money we’re sending to Africa to fight AIDS.

  25. BRadC

    @Ryan - probably because they’re educated and have learned to think for themselves as opposed to the inhabitants of the isolationist, fearful flyover states.

    No matter where you go in the world right-wing nationalist views are most prevalent with an under-educated, fearful underclass.

  26. ygs

    Some serious disinformation being spread in here. First off, his upbringing is not his only answer to his foreign policy worldview: earlier in the chat he talks about serving on the Foreign Affairs committee, and his perspective in general is incredibly sharp: he recognizes the dangers of globalization (particularly for South America and Africa, where it serves as a far more powerful insidious form of imperialism), he correctly judged our blunder in Iraq and he has a consistent and judicious overall outlook as to how the US should interact with other sovereign nations.

    Secondly, to Sandra, you are *so right* about how he’s getting all the breaks because he’s African-American. They just get everything they want, don’t they? Just look at how many African-American congressmen and women there are, how many CEOs are African-American and how well-funded schools are in African-American urban areas! It’s like they run the world or something!

    Barack Obama is successful in this campaign for a number of reasons, some a bit silly but historically consistent (he’s handsome, he speaks well, etc), and others absolutely relevant to how he would govern (his policies are strong, he is advised by very smart people, he has pragmatic, non-partisan plans for our country). I’m not entirely sure where the venom towards him is coming from, but I take solace that the more vocal people here are in the minority. Obama is a good man and will make for a strong president. I look forward to his administration, as do millions more Americans.

    For further and substantive reading on Obama (and from the generally Obama-phobic New Republic to boot), go here: http://tnr.com/politics/story......c9d19be1a.

  27. johns

    Everyone has to remember that the president of the USA is essentially a figurehead. The president might set direction based on his person beliefs and ideology but much of the policy and heavy lifting are all done by the the team they hire.

    Obama is intelligent. I believe that someone with intelligence can rise to any occasion, learn and adapt as necessary.

    Given the 3 VIABLE candidates that we can choose amongst, Obama seems the lesser of evils.

  28. Allen

    @BRadC

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but that seems like a lot of foo-foo words to say nothing short of “Republicans are dumb” and “fearful”.

    I guess I’ll just go pull up a couch in front of my TV tonight and drink some of the kool-aid while watching ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN. Maybe I’ll get edukated - or brainwashed… one of the two.

  29. NotBuyingIt

    Obama would be worse for the country than Jimmy Carter.

    Just what we need a tech blog and a nerd telling America how to vote.

    What poeple need to remember is 1980.

    Interest Rates at ALL TIME HIGHS
    Inflation at ALL TIME HIGHS
    TAXES at ALL TIME HIGHS
    Unemployment near ALL TIME HIGHS
    GAS at ALL TIME HIGHS (indexed for inflation is still higher than today)

    Worst part was the Iran Hostage Crisis.

    AMERICANS WERE HELD HOSTAGE FOR A YEAR AND DRAGGED AROUND BLIND FOLDED AND THEIR HEADS COVERED IN BAGS IN SHAME.

    YEAH, just what we need 20 something techies who’ve never served their country telling us to vote for a LIBERAL who’s wife is ashamed of this country and had a mother who taught him to belittle America’s place in the world.

    To elect Obama would errode all the improvements made during Reagan and Clinton eras. Lower taxes, less dependency and a strong national defense.

    Then again broke techie wannabe’s probably like the idea of bringing back Jimmy Carter’s free processed cheese hand outs.

  30. BRadC

    @Allen
    Are you afraid you’ll get brainwashed by watching TV. You’re probably right… stick to Fox.

  31. Joe

    BradC, please stop. We get it. People who disagree with you are stupid. And they watch Fox.

  32. Blackman

    Darn black men! They win all the elections….

    Soon they’ll takeover Washington and all the fortune 500 executive positions.

    Yeah right, a black man has never been “given” anything in the US.

  33. Zaid

    #24
    About Taliban, I don’t think anyone is mad about that. Going after Taliban was appropriate and there was no opposition to it like the opposition for Iraq war. You are trying to strengthen the weak case about Iraq using Afghanistan. Don’t tangle the two.

    Saddam was an evil man. But Bush did not go after Saddam for his “evilness.” He took out Saddam for the personal grudge. Does it matter, you ask? Valid question. It does. Because if he didn’t have a personal grudge, Bush would have thought about the collateral damage.

    Deaths of over 100,000 Iraqis and thousands of American soldiers cannot be justified to get one man.

    Even Saddam must be smiling at the irony of the this war killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis–same crime Saddam is charged with.

  34. Cory

    “He said, watch how I run my campaign — you’ll see my leadership skills in action.”

    Running a campaign Running the United States of America

    “He said — and I’m going to paraphrase a little here: think about who I am — my father was Kenyan; I have close relatives in a small rural village in Kenya to this day; and I spent several years of my childhood living in Jakarta, Indonesia. Think about what it’s going to mean in many parts of the world — parts of the world that we really care about — when I show up as the President of the United States. I’ll be fundamentally changing the world’s perception of what the United States is all about.”

    Being Kenyan and having lived in Indonesia Good on foreign policy

    “He’s got my vote.”

    Really? Based on those answers? Seriously?

  35. Cory

    What that should have said was…

    Running a campaig != Running the United States of America

    and

    Being Kenyan and having lived in Indonesia != Good on foreign policy

  36. BRadC

    @Joe
    you’re half right - people can disagree with me, doesn’t make them stupid. I’m happy with it.

    But you’re right on the 2nd part, generally only stupid people watch Fox.

  37. gilltots

    @21 Allen - if you’re so against the socialization of anything, then i guess you’re against driving on public roads, going to public libraries, drinking from a municipal water supply, calling the fire department when your house is on fire, calling the cops when somebody is trying to break into your house, sending US postal mail, and using your tax dollars to fight wars - because it’s all the same thing. and if anything, peoples’ lives are one thing that should not be governed by a for-profit enterprise. but both obama’s and hillary’s health plans don’t get rid of the big insurance companies anyway, so they aren’t really gonna change things that much, most likely. and congress is still full of all the same retards.

    but…feel free to maintain your stance against it out of principal, i wouldn’t want you to feel like a “flip-flopper.”

  38. Allen

    @BRadC

    So everyone that watches Fox can’t think for themselves - like you must be able to? Tell me oh wise one, where do you get the facts that are the base of such statements made in your previous post:

    “probably because they’re educated and have learned to think for themselves as opposed to the inhabitants of the isolationist, fearful flyover states.

    No matter where you go in the world right-wing nationalist views are most prevalent with an under-educated, fearful underclass.”

    So if I go get me a Harvard vocabulary like yourself, I can be liberal then? Would that assist me in better understanding Obama too? I could then translate what 60 minutes is trying to tell me last night about this huge healthcare crisis?

    What a bunch of BS - subscribe to it if you want. I’ll continue to sift through the garbage and think for myself as an educated American - not someone that spews back fancy lines of others.

  39. BRadC

    @Allen

    Are you going to be OK? I’m concerned for you, friend.

  40. Allen

    @gilltots

    Having public roads and services isn’t socialism - but nice try. Those are things that are basic building blocks of any civilized society. I do think some of those entities may function better if they were privately run (schools, for example).

    No, I do not want to pay taxes for everyone else’s healthcare. That is a service that should remain in the public sector where supply and demand will determine prices and availability. If I’m a healthy American, why should I pay for your healthcare when you (hypothetically) smoke, drink like a fish, and eat Frito’s all day long? We have to draw a line in the sand somewhere.

  41. DesScorp

    The fellating of Obama continues apace. None will resist the Obamessiah.

  42. will

    http://volokh.com/posts/1202117776.shtml#contact

    somewhat of a hatchet job on Obama regarding his “only executive” experience - editor in chief of Harvard Law Review . . .

    taking out the fluff - the part about him being not very detail oriented and operationally focused concerns me.

    I heard the similar rumors from old colleagues at his old law firm.

    America doesnt need a Carly Fiorina - we need a Mark Hurd.

    I’m back now on the fense again . . .

  43. Your Uncle Bob

    Sweet Jesus! So he has some relatives who live in Kenya and spent some time outside of the US and that instantly makes him qualified to lead the foreign policy of the US? Are you kidding me?

    I like to fly model airplanes and I once sat in the cockpit of a 747. Applying the same logic here, I’m now qualified to fly a 747.

    Think. People.Think.

    If this is an example of Andreesen’s logic and rational thinking, then it’s no wonder most people don’t know, care or give a shit who he is anymore.

  44. carhug

    @ygs

    Your response is thoughtful and comprehensive. However, i wouldn’t go so far as to taint the responses as you did — “disinformation.” I think the comments really are a result of Obama’s responses–and so sorry to say but IMO they are weak. To point to how one runs a campaign as being sufficient to account for the lack of any meaningful experience as an executive is laughable. Why shouldn’t voters demand and require more experience from this candidate? After all, isn’t this the highest position and most powerful position in the world? I also argued that George W lacked the right level of experience and look where it got us? With respect to lack of experience, I do think that Ombama would be far more effective that “W” but so would many others.

    With respect to Obama being treated with kid gloves for this election, i think several polls that have been taken support Sandra.

    As for the type of president i want in office, it isn’t one who is speaks good or is attractive or I’d rather drink a beer with. I think Obama has a lot of strong points going for him but his weak link is that he is junior with respect to his experience. i’d vote for him possibly down the road after he earns that experience to run for the highest office in the country. Just because he made a smart call on not going to war with the concocted smoke-and-mirrors evidence that the Bush admin pulled doesn’t guarantee that the junior senator will always make the right call every time and you imply that but I don’t and won’t buy it. Also, as a reminder, the Bush Admin pulled that concocted lie with the entire American people who overwhelmingly supported invading Iraq (remember Colin Powell testifying). It bugs me that people are not allowed to change their mind once they realize they were hoodwinked and this is a Republican ploy you seem to conveniently apply here to Hilary. (How dare she change her mind!)

    I think all 3 candidates (McCain, Clinton & Obama) are good people. Remember McCain put his ass out on the front line and was a POW for many years. Hilary opted to fight for children defense fund out of school rather than take the high paying corporate attorney route that your candidate Obama so easily signed up for.

    Thanks but no thanks, I’m just not joining the party to drink the Kool-Aide from the Obama camp.

  45. Marco

    Foreign policy is the single biggest power a President has. Social &/or domestic policy is nice, but at the end of the day he can either sign something in law or veto it. Most people seem to ignore this fact when they vote.

    So IMHO the most important experience to have is foreign policy; while I like Marc’s take on Barack, I seriously doubt having relatives in other countries counts for much. I’m 1/2 Swiss, have lived abroad in various countries for nearly half my life (and much later in my life than Obama), and have relatives and close friends across the globe; does this somehow make me qualified for foreign policy?

    What scares me most is that Obama is somehow concerned about “changing the world’s perception of what the United States is all about”.
    Over the years I’ve seen perception towards the US ebb and flow; and quite frankly, the changes in perception have had no discernible impact on life in the United States.

    Foreigners don’t stop buying our products or services, they don’t stop visiting (just ask anyone in the travel business … the cheapness of the dollar is about 10x more important); and changes in the perception of the US certainly won’t change the likelihood of another terror attack (after all, planning for 9/11 happened while the internationally beloved Bill Clinton was in charge).

    As for those who say just hire someone good … that’s like a CEO saying I’m going to hire someone make the most strategic decisions for this company. As I point out above, foreign policy is the ONE place where the President has the most power … why would you hire someone to do this?

  46. Overuse Bubble

    Your average techies vote for Obama could prove expensive. By my off the cuff calculations, anyone making $200k a year will see an increase of at least 12k a year in taxes (not to mention tax increases on capital gains and dividends). Hopefully they really, really like the guy. If you make 300k a year, I suspect you could double that 12k to at least a 24k increase.

    A lot of this depends on just how high he raises the payroll tax cutoff which he has already made a big point out of saying he was going to raise it.

  47. jenkins

    I generally vote for a democrat 80% of the time. This time is different. I actually like John McCain (because of his amazing history), Obama (because of his sincerity) and Hillary (because of her lifelong comittment to public policy). I plan to vote for McCain, here’s why:

    I think Hillary had a chance to capture the middle and lower taxes, but she didn’t. She cowtowed to the ultraliberal wing — stuff I hate. I like to build companies and create jobs. Taxes are my enemy.

    Obama is very likeable but isn’t old enough for me. I like my presidents to be supremely qualified. Obama will someday be president. I just don’t think he deserves to win this time. I have a hard time thinking of one amazing thing he’s accomplished in his short, promising career. I have no doubt that he will someday do great things. So, let’s see him prove his greatness over the next 4-6 years, then we can all vote for him in 2012.

    McCain has been a great leader for many decades. While I don’t agree with him on everything I do respect him across the board. He doesn’t bend to the political winds which is great. We know he’ll be a strong leader. We don’t know that about Obama.

  48. Natasha

    This post would have been timely before California Primary.

  49. Marco Almondine

    At a recent Long Now Foundation talk (Nassim Taleb), a quick audience poll was taken. Probably 2/3 of the room was going to vote Obama in the primary, almost all the rest for Clinton, with maybe 3% McCain and a handful for others. Of course the sample size was only a few hundred people, but it seemed a good indicator of how Silicon Valley falls - people here don’t like Hillary too much. Obama appeals more to the idealists.

  50. Krish

    #3 Jbs, it is because of people like you US is facing a real danger of losing its advantage in the world. Gosh!!

  51. gilltots

    @allen
    it’s not? what’s the difference then? enlighten me.

    i don’t want to pay to put out a fire that you start in your house because you (hypothetically) smoke and drink like a fish at the same time and pass out and set yourself on fire. i don’t want to pay for your library, or your rec center. i certainly don’t want to pay for your war.

    seems like the same thing to me, everyone pays for stuff that not everyone needs. the reason people are OK with these things is because they make society better. want proof? look at scandinavia. those countries have some of the highest tax rates in the world, and guess what? they have better healthcare *and* a higher standard of living than us anyway! aside from stubbornness i don’t see what your point is.

  52. jenkins

    I agree with the fact that Obama appeals to the idealist. I’m usually one of them but have always had a practical side. I am also not saying that, if Obama is elected, that he won’t be a good president — he might be great. I’m just saying that people need to look past Obama’s idealistic message and look at the experience. We’re not supposed to take big risks with this job. Our current president is terrible. Most people now agree with this.

  53. Like a Fat Kid Loves Cake

    I would be curious to hear what the readers of this site (who I may assume are generally free trade) about the Obama- Canada- NAFTA contretemps?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat.....on/1293120

    ” Did Barack Obama’s campaign quietly contact Canadian officials to tell them not to take seriously the Illinois senator’s tough talk about renegotiating trade agreements?” - this from The Nation, who one would assume be strongly in the Obama camp.

    On the one hand one might hope that the anti-trade, anti-NAFTA pronouncements spouted by Senator Obama (and to be fair also by Senator Clinton) would be merely “for show” to placate Democratic working class voters in Ohio.

    On the other hand, what if he (or they) actually believe in causing such a rupture between the US and our largest and closest trading partners?

  54. Ryan

    @ BRadC

    That’s a pretty ridiculous statement, “probably because they’re educated and have learned to think for themselves as opposed to the inhabitants of the isolationist, fearful flyover states.”

    You are probably one those people who say GWB is an idiot because he’s not the best public speaker. I guess an undergrad from Yale and a MBA from Harvard qualifies him as stupid.

  55. Joe Gartrell

    If you want a good perspective on Obama (or any other candidate for that matter), read his speeches in the printed word; it’s an eye opener. Obama’s speeches are shallow and completely devoid of any detail. He is repetitive and speaks in platitudes. His speeches indicate a vacuous man that is in no way ready to be President of the United States. This Obamamania is just plain stupid. Most of the people feigning over him have no clue as to the issues themselves. He’ll be exposed in the general election campaign as real American voters start sounding off (not liberal and core Democrats). I’m sick of hearing about the Obama tidal wave over America because it just isn’t so - he is not winning over middle America, just fringe Democrats.

  56. jenkins

    I agree with Joe that Obama is NOT ready to be president. I do think Obama is a substantive and likeable person that should be taken very seriously and will likely be president someday. I just think the concept of making this guy that none of us really know or understand is truly bizarre.

  57. david

    I am the “flip flopper” who would vote for Obama over McCain then flip and vote for McCain over Clinton.

    There are policies which Obama supports that hurt my sensibilities. As a father I fell in love with my son long before his birth. I would give my life over his. Sorry, just can’t help feeling that way.

    But I also know that Barack was 100% right on the Iraq war. As a hunter I know what guns can and can’t accomplish. Terrorism is a spiritual (not religious) war. We must win the hearts of the hopeless.

    The rhetoric of evil enemy is misguided. We can’t fight our way to victory. As much as Bush/McCain use Germany and Korea as their guiding examples… they are simply wrong. Terrorism is not a state… it is a state of mind. Persuasion is the only strategy. In this war… words do matter!

    Hillary and McCain don’t get it. I don’t fault them. They are just politicians.

    McCain is an American hero. I deeply respect his service. If the Soviet Union attacks us I hope to God we call on him for guidance (and I am sure he’d be there). But they won’t because there is no “Soviet Union”.

    Hillary and Bill do know how to manage. And they certainly thrive on politics. It is the “fun part” for them.

    However, terrorism is emotional. Words are sacred. You don’t blow yourself up as a technical matter. You don’t memorize the sacred text for fun.

    Obama has shown the capacity for understanding the human spirit. Might sound simple and even ridiculous, but in reality it is the highest level of leadership. He is our greatest hope to alter the internal dialog of the hopeless. And that is where this battle plays out.

  58. jenkins

    David,

    All good thoughts re: Obama. All I’m saying is that what you’re saying *might* be true — no one really knows because Obama has such little history on a national stage that it’s almost weird. I like him and think we should all watch him over the next few years. If he’s as great as you think it will clearly pop out for all to see. I have to admit that his first 4 years in the senate have been quite unnoticable. Why is that? Where’s the greatness? Let’s give him some more time to prove it.

  59. Jugo

    @ jbs “Following that reasoning, the way to change such anti-American attitudes is to make us, the United States, less powerful.”

    Bush tried that and it doesn’t seem to be working. How low is the US dollar now? Oh yeah, if the foreigners buy us then they’ll *have* to love us. Either that or control us.

  60. PookieBadMuffin

    That last point only shows how fundamentally naive Erick Schonfeld is…

  61. carhug

    Sorry David but i’m not buying your pie-in-the-sky rhetoric. I’ve yet to hear what the hell Ombama is going to change. Change what? Climate change? Sex change? Spare change? Again, Big on rhectoric, small on details.

    Also, Ombama and his camp act like he is going to ride into Washington and “change” the way politics are done. Has he been able to single handedly change the racism in our country? No; there are many things that are systemic. Can Washington be changed? I know McCain has been trying to fight for years now the way Washington deals with lobbying and he has had limited success even after decades of trying. For those who think Obama is some white knight riding into town and is about to change Washington then that’s some strong Kool-aide you all are drinking.

    Further, doesn’t this country have bigger problems ahead of it to solve? Social security crumbling. Medicare in shambles. Our deficit a calamity. Yet Obama thinks he can move move a mountain on his own, in a single term, and “change” the way Washington operates. I think the Clintons are just realistic here. Work with the system as best as you can and work toward incremental change while focusing on the bigger problems facing the country (ie: tU.S. economy, errorism, world instability, etc.)

  62. warren

    I agree that people who rely on Faux News are complete and utter retards. Keep allowing them to frame the argument for ANYTHING around “national security” and taxes, and you’ll end up with exactly what you’ve got now with Bush…but far far worse. Neo-con bullshit is responsible for this asinine war - an excuse for Bush cronies and neo-con multinationals to make MEGA profits on no-bid contracts while the standing of America as the bastion of freedom and democracy is being eroded in the eyes of the rest of the world daily and giving rise to other petty dictators (like Putin, Chavez, etc. who are simply following in GW Bush’s footsteps in running roughshod over their countries’ constitutions for their or their cronies’ financial beneift). Neo-con blathering is responsible for the fear which created an environment where civil liberties are being eroded irreparably. Tell me…would you rather be less free and pay less taxes, or have your freedoms restored and be certain that your taxes are going to be put to good use (healthcare isn’t a good use……really?). What do you mongoloid Bill O’Reilly kool-aid drinkers think…..we’ll just keep paying for a war that so far cost $3trillion dollars by sinking further into national debt….without consequences?? Or maybe we’ll invade Venezuela next and pay for it with their oil? Ryan, Joe and Allen must either work for Halliburton or a company like Blackwater, or they truly hate America and would rather see it destroyed than see a “liberal” raise their taxes. Oh the Horror!! Enjoy Faux News boys….they’ll be the first to break the news about the coming Apocalypse you idiots seem sooo anxious to see happen.

    As for me, Obama or Hillary…..it doesn’t matter. Either one would have a gargantuan task ahead of them to restore the respectability of the office of the President and the stature of the United States as a country to be taken seriously in matters of human rights, civil liberties, and common decency and sanity.

  63. Marco

    Obama’s claim to fame with foreign policy seems to that he made the right call with regards to his original vote on Iraq; and while I agree with how he voted then, I fail to see how an immediate withdraw from Iraq will help us gain international credibility.

    Let’s just think 2 steps ahead (something Bush and apparently most Americans never did), what happens when we leave a country that is unable to govern itself and unable to defend itself?

    I’d say there’s a high probability that either Civil war ensues in Iraq, or Iran or decides to make a grab for some oil (or better yet, to distract the unemployed restless youth from their internal problems … you see, the US isn’t the only country that knows wars are a great distraction from domestic problems).

    So what? Well, the problem is that we destabilized a country; and left it defenseless. I don’t know if there is a foreign policy guide on ‘how to win friends and influence people’, but I doubt this is high on the list of things to do. I’m far from a moralist on this stuff, but if you think the US is hated today; just wait for Iraq to succumb to civil war or Iran.

    I wish we’d never gone in and started this mess; but you can’t make decisions today based on what you’d wish you’d done yesterday. You need to make decisions based on the situation we’re in today … and ideally, think a few steps ahead, so we don’t have to repeat our mistakes.

    To me it comes down to these two really bad choices (and no politician is going to lay them out like this, so you’ll have to think for yourself on this one): 1) We can pull out all troops now, and likely have to send them back to squelch civil war or push back an invading force … wherein the US will sustain far greater causalities than staying put or 2) stay put until Iraq is more stable and can defend itself.

    For those of you who say, who cares, it’s not our problem. Well, that’s just it .. it IS our problem, we created this mess. If think the US is going to win friends by pulling out of Iraq, you’re probably right … at least until Iraq implodes and then everyone will start blaming us again … in which case I guess we’ll be forced to go back into Iraq to appease international perception.

    You need to stop chasing around ‘international perception’; and do what’s right in the long run. Going into Iraq wasn’t right, however, pulling out immediately won’t fix that initial bad decision.

  64. Andy

    #21 Allen is right! Obama wants to put $50-65 BILLION toward socialized health care every year. That is insane. Socialized. Come on guys.

  65. bbb

    to #3… I agree that, to some point, people tend to dislike the powerfull… but you sure don’t know what the USA has done in the past 60 years when you say that is the only reason for anti-american demonstrations…

    #in south america, for example, USA supported ALL the military dictatorships during the 60s… and the USA is definitely not loved over here because of that…
    #invading Iraq over oil, also not a very appreciated move (yes, over here most people believe that is the true casus belli)
    #being the world’s biggest polluter and then raising it’s finger to point out countries who devastate the rainforest…

    and I could go on, and on, and on…

  66. The Capitalist Pig

    There’s no one that doesn’t actually want everyone to have Health Care, everyone to have food, for our environment to be protected, and for everyone to be happy. So let’s just clarify that upfront.

    The core “life-affecting” issue is HIGHER TAXES.

    We don’t need higher taxes, we need SMARTER SPENDING. We need the best CEO in the world running the country, not a politician.

    I just don’t understand that people don’t realize this basic FACT…

    The higher earners in this country are the EMPLOYERS. They own the companies that provide JOBS to the nation. When you raise taxes companies have to make ‘adjustments’ to retain their previous profit levels — to please Wall Street, private shareholders, or themselves.

    The #1 expense in any company is PAYROLL. The fastest and easiest way to cut costs to raise profits is to LAY PEOPLE OFF.

    Raising taxes in this country ultimately helps NO ONE. It certainly doesn’t help the “little guy” when he loses his job.

    The core problem in this country is that we can’t make a near 40% tax rate ‘work’ with all the spending ideas that we have. THAT is the problem. And the answer isn’t to just “collect more taxes” to do more spending.

  67. Michael Arrington

    this is great, but it’s clear that Obama’s campaign didn’t really take off until we endorsed him. :-)

    kidding, kidding.

  68. warren

    if you think Arrington’s an “arrogant ass” then you must not value his opinion very much…..if so…..stay away from his site…I’m sure there’s a republitroll tech site somewhere where everyone will agree with your, and GW’s brilliance BRadC.

  69. warren

    whoops…..jumped the gun on you a little BradC…..

  70. BRadC

    np warren, we all make mistakes ;)

    http://tinyurl.com/34xqeo

  71. david

    If it is Obama… McCain better stop writing his own speeches!

    He’ll need Reaganesque speech writers.

    McCain’s themes should be…

    I. On Foreign Policy

    1. We are turning back divisions

    2. We are ending generational hatred

    3. We are planting the seeds of democracy in a landscape desperate for her fruit

    4. We are giving hope to the hopeless

    II. Domestic Policy

    1. Liberty is our greatest gift

    2. Liberty is not a gift of the state but a human right, a right the State must protect

    3. Liberty requires us to look out for one another with open arms, we are our brothers keeper

    If McCain focuses on the fear of terrorism, calling people illegal, and jargon about higher taxes… he will loose… and loose badly.

    1. The politics (rhetoric) of hope will beat the politics (rhetoric) of fear.

    2. Lowering taxes which take us further into debt is not a win. By wreckless spending (including the Iraq war) the conservative movement has not demonstrated any good from tax cuts. The long term peril of our economy (because of our growing debt) greatly outweighs any short term stimulous.

    3. Terrorism happens. There is no military victory which will end terrorism. Yes, defensive measures are prudent. The greatest offensive strike is to give all people hope.

    4. My generation has been fully integrated into the culture of “modern” immigration. For my father the word immigrant, when thought of in a positive light, is a Polish steel worker from the cold war era. For me it is hard working Latinos and Africans. I see significant “net” gains to society from a robust open immigration policy. Defining people as “illegal” is political jargon… it is distasteful to me… we are all immigrants… and ridiculously “illegal” relative to the native peoples of America.

  72. nimbus

    you guys are fucking stupid.

  73. warren

    nimbus…..please specify because I’ve got a really good comeback involving (ostensibly) your mom……and I don’t want to waste it.

  74. david

    nimbus (i think your mother was stupid for naming you nimbus) - politics is not logical or about being right - it is about getting people to vote for you - and most people vote on emotion - so was that a policy position or just a reflection of your personal history?

  75. Webside Ventures

    He’s got my vote!

  76. Wordpress Rocks

    begs the question. did he interview Hillary?

    Probably not, so how can he make a fair comparison based on one interview with Obama vs his “perception” of her.

    This Obamania has an uncomfortable cultish feeling to it… frankly I ain’t buying the kool-aid

  77. Charles

    yeah, Obama wants to put in $50B to $60B per year on health care.

    Too much money!

    Better we spend $3 Trillion dollars on an endless war that makes the US weaker and more vulnerable to terrorists. Not to mention missing the real perpetrators of 9/11.

  78. david

    nimbus = dense cloud (I have no doubt that you are dense or that your judgement is clouded)

  79. Allen

    @gilltots, #51

    So if we have one cent going towards a public service, it’s socialism? I don’t have time to explain to you that it isn’t, sorry.

  80. david

    It is a false argument to say Obama’s plan will spend more on health care than we are already spending. The U.S. significantly outspends all other countries (per capita) than any other country. The correct negative argument (and more productive so we get it right) would be to argue the source of funds and spending priorities.

  81. Allen

    @Charles

    So you are really going to compare healthcare to protecting Americans? Saddam was in the wrong (Google Resolution 1441) - period. Did he have anything to do with 9/11? No, but it’s not like he wasn’t a person of concern. I almost feel like quoting Colonel Jessep:

    “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.”

    Amen.

  82. david

    Allen

    1. Resolution 1441 was a UN resolution… is the Iraq war a UN operation?

    2. How exactly has the Iraq war protected Americans?

    3. Was a full scale occupation our only option?

  83. Clint Murdock

    Well said Nimbus!

    Get into politics on a tech site and you feel like you are in a Digg sandbox at a really politically correct pre-school with a bunch insecure, upper middle class, snot nosed little darlings.

  84. david

    Clint Murdock and my dear friend Cumulous Nimbus,

    Why are you attracted to personal attacks? What is it about you? Why do those statement feel good to you?

    Broken home, not that attractive, not that smart, can’t maintain intimate relationships, a little too consumed with technology? Hurts doesn’t it. I feel your pain.

    Just take care of yourself… you’ll be alright.

  85. Clint Murdock

    Go Davy! Go Davy! Go Davy!

  86. david

    That’s the spirit… now come on over here and give me a hug… you are loved.

  87. lame

    @ AhmedF - first off why is he so afraid to use his full name? hmmmmmmmmmmm…. why can’t we use it?

    @ altz - its not racist - calling someone muslim is racists ? get lost idiot!

    @ BRadC - oh please like Obama offers anything relevant to America ? have you ever heard of “fads” before tell me how he’s any different? “i was a kid in indonesia = good foreign policy? that’s the biggest stretch” so my trip to mexico makes me an expert in foreign policy - seriously, gimme break

    and by the way why is he “fear mongering” that we “need change” why can’t we use his record to show everyone what he’s about ? hmmm

    cuz he has NONE! go cry somewhere else you lefty weiners

  88. warren

    hey…..my weiner DOES hang left!!….are you looking at my crotch lame?? man…..repressed repubes….explains alot.

  89. Clint Murdock

    Ha! Not bad

  90. Roman

    John McCain spent 5 YEARS as a POW in Vietnam.

    Obama spent a few years growing up in Indoneisa… and that’s why he understands foreign policy. HA!

    I spent a few years as a child in Russia, maybe I should run for President.

  91. lame

    @ warren of course you want me look at your weiner now don’t you ? let me guess your from fagsicko ?

  92. david

    lame -

    Why is it that people with interesting names (lame and cumulous) seem so hostile?

    You can use his full name… it’s the context that has relevance. Lame I think I love you. You’re are fucking lame. Does that help?

    How is Obama different from a fad?

    A fad is defined as something that becomes very popular with a small group of people for a short period of time. It is unpredictable, short lived and without social, economic and political significance.

    1. Over 11 million people have voted in the primaries for Obama - not a small group of people.

    2. First book published in 1995, was elected to the Illinois State Senate over 10 years ago (1996), spoke at the 2004 convention, will be on the political scene the rest of your life - not a shor period of time.

    3. Without social, economic, or political significance? That doesn’t even need to be answered.

    So… doesn’t look like he fits the definition of “fad”. Maybe you should try another word.

  93. lame

    @ david I don’t know why don’t you ask Obama why he’s so afraid of his name?

    “A fad is defined as something that becomes very popular with a small group of people” wrong! what is it called when a large group of people find something popular then it goes away ? lol ..

    “1. Over 11 million people have voted in the primaries for Obama - not a small group of people.” Hitler was popular to and your point?

  94. david

    How about movement? That probably fits better than fad. And yes his movement will end. The question is how it will end. Hopefully through positive changes.

  95. carhug

    Howard Dean was a movement at one time too. The unquestioning bandwagon of the Obamessiah (as one reader coined it) movement is pretty distrurbing. I’m still waiting to hear what exactly Obama means when he says change. I guess he’d prefer to have you fill in the blank Change ________. I’m totally voting McCain if this greenhorn wins the primary.

  96. david

    Change… the dialog from fear to hope (where are those WMDs?), from incompetence to competence (more than 150 Regent University alumni hired to top federal government positions since President Bush took office in 2001 - give me a break), from an issolating arrogance foreign policy (Resolution 1441 was a UN resolution… is the Iraq war a UN operation?), from deficit spending (the federal debt has grown under 3 of the last 9 administrations; Reagan, Bush, Bush)… and on and on and on.

  97. lame

    @ David we wouldn’t know where those WMD’s are if Bush hadn’t gone in to find out - thank god he did.

    How is killing terrorists arrogance ? was 9/11 arrogant of the terrorists? The iraq war is already justified as stated in resolution 1441 - “force will be used if necessary” . Necessary indeed.

    The only reason Clinton had a good economy was he enron and all the big business scandels going on under his watch - not to mention all the hard working smart people who created the .com world - CLINTON had nothing to do with that - The economy/unemployment hasn’t been this good in years all under Bush. Also, no attacks under Bush I bet you can’t cough up that compliment toward him.

  98. Jonathon

    It is very suprising you support this guy. Obama is a racist liar, who could be compared quiet easily to John Kerry in that he DOES NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT HE STANDS FOR!!!

    Did you not hear his “hallelujah” speach he made in Texas? Yeah, stuff like “You must feed your kids at night parents! You must make sure they get enough rest! We need change!”

    Um…duh?? How can people, especially you TechCrunch, be so NIAVE as to listen to someone who ONLY POINTS OUT THE OBVIOUS! Don’t get me wrong, Clinton is no superstar either, but this guy Obama is a full fledged racist.

    Do you quesiton why? Well, compare the fact that a) he always says something about how blacks need this or need that. How this guy gets away with trying to act like one race deserves MORE without being ridiculed for being racist is FAR beyond me. b) READ HIS BOOK! It says enough

    Either way, you disappoint me.

  99. hyloka

    If we’re just going to vote based on stretched logic and endorsements, then Hillary gets my vote and should win based on the nicely articulated response on Saturnight Live (http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/#mea=224734) with about 6:30 left in the video.

  100. david

    lame -

    Killing terrorists isn’t arrogant - let’s finish the job in Afghanistan.

    The President has very little to do with the economy.

    The State needs to manage their budget (just as a business does)… or this will come back to get us as our dollar devalues (Ron Paul is right).

    If Billary gets the nomination I will enthusiastically be voting for McCain (I am a gun carrying, Bush voting, Republican) and would not be upset if he wins.

    But I do believe the Iraq war was a big fucking blunder (and yes I was all for it at the time)… and feel we need to be focused on finishing Afghanistan and getting our butts back home.

    In the end the next President is stuck with the mess… and their actions are going to be similar whoever it is… we can’t sustain this level of engagement around the world… yet we can’t pull out carelessly.

    What I do believe is something Jefferson articulated, that it is very healthy to have leadership change… entrenched leaderships become corrupt even without trying… it’s the nature of self interest.

    I also believe that hope is a little dreaming, a little hope, a little good feeling is healthy.

    Too much anger, resentment, fear, pessimism clouds your thoughts as much as pie in the sky dreaming… and is no more pragmatic.

    So… I am enjoying this moment of optimism.

    Don’t become the hate you fear.

  101. Against Ignorance

    @lame:
    We still don’t know where those WMD’s are. There were no WMD’s found in Iraq–kindly read a book or follow the news before saying uneducated remarks. In addition, Saddam Hussein was not a threat to the United States. He was an evil man, but he would never let any terrorist group organize in Iraq as that would undermine his hold on power. Think about it, why would a power hungry evil dictator that is hell bent on retaining his hold over Iraq let Al-Qaeda or any other terror network organize in his country when those terrorist organizations tend to be religious, and he’s secular. He didn’t just kill Shias and Kurds, he killed Sunnis as well if they weren’t part of the tribes that he favored. I suppose you can call it being a non-discriminatory evil dictator murderer.

    Anyways, of course now, Iraq is swarming with terrorists.

  102. Town Crier

    All three distinguished Americans are highly qualified to be President. The question I ask myself is who can best steer our ship of state in domestic and foriegn waters. My answer is Senator Obama. His ‘experience’ succesfully steering himself into the final three, considering the added weight of his black baggage, in a post slavery society, where no black as come close to making it into the White House, not even as a spouse, despite being a significant part of American history.

    More importantly, IMO, an Obama vote is the ‘most American’ vote as America is an experiment in democracy. If it were a testament to experience in government the ‘founding fathers’ would have voted to remain colonies of England. An Obama Administation will tell history, ourselves and the world, that this experiment in (open source) democracy has worked the ‘big bug’ out, is finally out of Beta (or Alpha male), and is a stable working platform for all to engage and even emulate. Think of it as The American Constitution 2.0

    Note: nearly half (22) of the ‘founding fathers’ who signed The Constitution were slave holders… yet they declared “All men are created equal…”. They clearly were betting on their descendants (future verisons of ‘the code’) to get it right. They bet a promise… and put this country on a Constitutional path to the future of America. We have followed that path and That future is now present.

    Responding to other posts:
    Saying Tech writers should not talk politics sounds a lot like women should stay in the kitchen and not talk politics, much less vote… because “what do women (or techies) know about politics?” Saying Obama does not have enough experience to be President sounds a lot like anti-reconstructionist’s ‘logic’ that freed slaves did not have enough experience to be congressmen or senators.

    Besides, President Bush, with eight years on the job, has the most presidential experience… does that mean he’s doing the best job? Also, if Hillary wants to make ‘experience’ the defining criteria she should step aside and let the more experienced senator, John McCain, have the job of answering the phone at 3 a.m.

    But, McCain’s “war hero” legacy and political experience does not mean he would be the best president. He reminds me of a modern day Ulysses S. Grant, the Civil War hero turned two term President. History shows he was not very good in either term.

  103. david

    Town Crier - Great post.

  104. Al

    Obama is a Liberal, pure and simple. He is not going to be a friend of business and thus he will not be a friend of technology – which I assume most of the readers here are interested in.

    One way he will not be a friend of business is that he will increase regulations. There will be paybacks for his union support. For those people that like “Net Neutrality”, if it passes, it will be a turning point in the history of the net. The reason there has been such advancement in tech is in a big part because the government has stayed out. When they start regulating, the government becomes one of the biggest line items in a business plan. The tech industry hasn’t had to do much lobbying, but the industry will be turned upside down when Obama-like (or Hillary-like) regulation is threatened. (Only some of it has to pass, because the mere threat of a massive future event like regulation will screw up all sorts of innovation.) As with other industries, innovation will be crunched because only the big guys will be able to afford to deal with the regulation. You can see the endless cycle of more regulation and then tax credits, special funds, etc. – all the things that government does to screw things up – will be the norm.

    Andreessen may think Obama is a regular guy and he may be right. But what are Obama’s convictions? He could be the most regular guy out there but he has very little experience. You can’t downplay it. Being a Senator for a few years isn’t much (he has a travel budget to balance.) Working for that vote fraud outfit Acorn doesn’t count too much either. Sure, his teaching helps as well