Comments on: What Exactly Did The JuicyCampus Founder Think Would Happen? http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/ Startup and Tech News Sat, 17 May 2008 20:24:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Deren http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2032985 Deren Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:49:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2032985 Because of many people being attacked on college campuses throughout the country, a friend of mine made a website that sells self defense products for kids to stay safe. Check us out at www.thebestpepperspray.com or www.officialqualityproducts.com Because of many people being attacked on college campuses throughout the country, a friend of mine made a website that sells self defense products for kids to stay safe. Check us out at http://www.thebestpepperspray.com or http://www.officialqualityproducts.com

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2016245 Jeremy Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:47:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2016245 www.CampusGossip.com is just like it, but most of the content seems story oriented instead. I find a lot of the content more entertaining. http://www.CampusGossip.com is just like it, but most of the content seems story oriented instead. I find a lot of the content more entertaining.

]]> By: Gfox http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2015355 Gfox Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:00:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2015355 @Dave, all I have to base my argument on is a social media legal workshop I attended and a very limited understanding on the issue. One of the case studies presented in the workshop involved a website encouraging users to participate in a mash-up video and song contest. The legal issue discussed revolved around rights infringement by the consumer being an issue for the website for encouraging the infringement (and not even really encouraging but also, not prohibiting infringement). I took it upon my self to expand this thinking into the JC example. I still think, it could be argued... @Dave, all I have to base my argument on is a social media legal workshop I attended and a very limited understanding on the issue. One of the case studies presented in the workshop involved a website encouraging users to participate in a mash-up video and song contest. The legal issue discussed revolved around rights infringement by the consumer being an issue for the website for encouraging the infringement (and not even really encouraging but also, not prohibiting infringement). I took it upon my self to expand this thinking into the JC example. I still think, it could be argued…

]]> By: cuzican54 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014930 cuzican54 Mon, 03 Mar 2008 19:53:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014930 This website really reminds me of Truemors.com and I think that the JuicyCampus can benefit a lot by talking to Guy Kawasaki... I also gave the team my constructive feedback here: http://chide.it/post/42/ This website really reminds me of Truemors.com and I think that the JuicyCampus can benefit a lot by talking to Guy Kawasaki…

I also gave the team my constructive feedback here:
http://chide.it/post/42/

]]> By: Brownstoner http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014810 Brownstoner Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:03:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014810 I faced this issue with a site I launched a couple of years ago called brokerate.com. It was supposed to be a site for user feedback about NYC real estate agents but it devolved so quickly into an unmanageable sea of competitive back-stabbing that within a few weeks I pulled the plug on it despite all the traffic numbers going in the right direction. In the end, I decided I didn't want to be facilitating that kind of behavior. Just because it's legal, doesn't make it right. That's what a conscience is for. Brownstoner I faced this issue with a site I launched a couple of years ago called brokerate.com. It was supposed to be a site for user feedback about NYC real estate agents but it devolved so quickly into an unmanageable sea of competitive back-stabbing that within a few weeks I pulled the plug on it despite all the traffic numbers going in the right direction. In the end, I decided I didn’t want to be facilitating that kind of behavior. Just because it’s legal, doesn’t make it right. That’s what a conscience is for.
Brownstoner

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014808 Dave Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:01:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014808 @Caligula, thanks for your thoughts! @Caligula, thanks for your thoughts!

]]> By: Burt http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014804 Burt Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:58:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014804 I guess this cat never heard of 4chan before. It's essentially the same model. I guess this cat never heard of 4chan before. It’s essentially the same model.

]]> By: Bob http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014696 Bob Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:46:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014696 You know what's weird, I read on juicy campus that Matt Ivester gave a girl herpes. hah! You know what’s weird, I read on juicy campus that Matt Ivester gave a girl herpes.

hah!

]]> By: Kristin K http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014513 Kristin K Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:04:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014513 The Web site is like an interactive version of The Slam Book from Mean Girls... The Web site is like an interactive version of The Slam Book from Mean Girls…

]]> By: Caligula http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014297 Caligula Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:01:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014297 @ Dave The legal language states that the threshold is disclosure of private information which is not of public concern which a reasonable person would find offensive. This is the point where the right to free speech runs into the brick wall of the right to privacy. Has anyone discussing carrier laws actually looked at the site? I'll crack on Arrington with the best of you but he's 100% correct, and suits against the owner won't be as open and shut as, say, the comments here. He's virtually begging people to libel. @ Dave
The legal language states that the threshold is disclosure of private information which is not of public concern which a reasonable person would find offensive. This is the point where the right to free speech runs into the brick wall of the right to privacy.

Has anyone discussing carrier laws actually looked at the site? I’ll crack on Arrington with the best of you but he’s 100% correct, and suits against the owner won’t be as open and shut as, say, the comments here. He’s virtually begging people to libel.

]]> By: hhhhh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014287 hhhhh Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:51:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014287 vhjhv vhjhv

]]> By: ZiZi http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014244 ZiZi Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:36:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014244 what a creepy scummy nasty site, am sure it reflects on the type of person this scummy nasty retarded founder is. he is a real creep a bet what a creepy scummy nasty site, am sure it reflects on the type of person this scummy nasty retarded founder is.
he is a real creep a bet

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014219 Dave Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:40:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014219 @Caligula, fairs points for sure. Happen to have any links to help determine where these thresholds exist? @Caligula, fairs points for sure. Happen to have any links to help determine where these thresholds exist?

]]> By: Caligula http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014213 Caligula Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:31:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014213 @ David: Public disclosure of private facts which hit a certain threshold are not protected under free speech. From what I can tell, just about everyone on that site is legally a private individual. If I were to (say) reveal the crossdressing habits of a student who had done nothing to place his name out there in public, I'd be nailed. Hard. And no pun is intended. The operator may be legally in the clear but that won't stop him from having a lawyer on retainer to dismiss all of the suits and/or comply with subpoenas for those who can be held legally responsible. I believe that's Arrington's point. Click them google ads, because probably 90% of the revenue is going to go to compliance. tl;dr: Starting a business in which in-house legal council to handle daily hassles is going to be an absolute necessity isn't really a smart idea. @ David: Public disclosure of private facts which hit a certain threshold are not protected under free speech. From what I can tell, just about everyone on that site is legally a private individual. If I were to (say) reveal the crossdressing habits of a student who had done nothing to place his name out there in public, I’d be nailed. Hard. And no pun is intended.

The operator may be legally in the clear but that won’t stop him from having a lawyer on retainer to dismiss all of the suits and/or comply with subpoenas for those who can be held legally responsible. I believe that’s Arrington’s point. Click them google ads, because probably 90% of the revenue is going to go to compliance.

tl;dr: Starting a business in which in-house legal council to handle daily hassles is going to be an absolute necessity isn’t really a smart idea.

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014203 Dave Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:08:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014203 Another point to add is that the Section 230 clause was what protected Wikipedia when there was defamatory posted about John Seigenthaler Sr. - stating he was invovled with the Kennedy assasintaiton. This was a huge news story at the time. Even Seigenthaler himself acknowledged there was “little legal recourse” that he could pursue against Wikipedia in his op-ed piece about the matter: “Federal law also protects online corporations — BellSouth, AOL, MCI Wikipedia, etc. — from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that “no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker.” That legalese means that, unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others.” http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm So while I’m sure this protection isn’t fully ‘bulletproof’, I don’t think it’s quite as vulnerable as some of the commenters, and Michael, have suggested. I would love to see evidence to the contrary from anyone because I’m sure many of us are running/planning startups that could benefit from these protections. Another point to add is that the Section 230 clause was what protected Wikipedia when there was defamatory posted about John Seigenthaler Sr. - stating he was invovled with the Kennedy assasintaiton. This was a huge news story at the time.

Even Seigenthaler himself acknowledged there was “little legal recourse” that he could pursue against Wikipedia in his op-ed piece about the matter:

“Federal law also protects online corporations — BellSouth, AOL, MCI Wikipedia, etc. — from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that “no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker.” That legalese means that, unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....edit_x.htm

So while I’m sure this protection isn’t fully ‘bulletproof’, I don’t think it’s quite as vulnerable as some of the commenters, and Michael, have suggested.

I would love to see evidence to the contrary from anyone because I’m sure many of us are running/planning startups that could benefit from these protections.

]]> By: David Mackey http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014199 David Mackey Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:03:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014199 Interesting. I'm not sure where I fall on the whole libel/slander issue. Sometimes it seems a little scary since one can be sued, thus discouraging free speech, even if one only spoke the truth. Interesting. I’m not sure where I fall on the whole libel/slander issue. Sometimes it seems a little scary since one can be sued, thus discouraging free speech, even if one only spoke the truth.

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014197 Dave Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:03:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014197 Another point to add is that the Section 230 clause was what protected Wikipedia when there was defamatory posted about John Seigenthaler Sr. - stating he was invovled with the Kennedy assasintaiton. This was a huge news story at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Seigenthaler_Sr._Wikipedia_biography_controversy Even Seigenthaler himself acknowledged there was "little legal recourse" that he could pursue against Wikipedia in his op-ed piece about the matter: "Federal law also protects online corporations — BellSouth, AOL, MCI Wikipedia, etc. — from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker." That legalese means that, unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others." http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2005-11-29-wikipedia-edit_x.htm So while I'm sure this protection isn't fully 'bulletproof', I don't think it's quite as vulnerable as some of the commenters, and Michael, have suggested. I would love to see evidence to the contrary from anyone because I'm sure many of us are running/planning startups that could benefit from these protections. Another point to add is that the Section 230 clause was what protected Wikipedia when there was defamatory posted about John Seigenthaler Sr. - stating he was invovled with the Kennedy assasintaiton. This was a huge news story at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.....ontroversy

Even Seigenthaler himself acknowledged there was “little legal recourse” that he could pursue against Wikipedia in his op-ed piece about the matter:

“Federal law also protects online corporations — BellSouth, AOL, MCI Wikipedia, etc. — from libel lawsuits. Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, passed in 1996, specifically states that “no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker.” That legalese means that, unlike print and broadcast companies, online service providers cannot be sued for disseminating defamatory attacks on citizens posted by others.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/o.....edit_x.htm

So while I’m sure this protection isn’t fully ‘bulletproof’, I don’t think it’s quite as vulnerable as some of the commenters, and Michael, have suggested.

I would love to see evidence to the contrary from anyone because I’m sure many of us are running/planning startups that could benefit from these protections.

]]> By: Dave http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014190 Dave Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:52:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014190 @GFox, your point about a site being liable for 'encouraging' defamation does seem a reasonable from a laymen's perspective, but can you site any sources on this? @GFox, your point about a site being liable for ‘encouraging’ defamation does seem a reasonable from a laymen’s perspective, but can you site any sources on this?

]]> By: MJ http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014186 MJ Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:51:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014186 The Juicy Campus founder may not be as protected from lawsuits as he may think. The owners of an unmoderated law message board named xoxohth.com are being sued by some students who were allegedly defamed by anonymous users on that website. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what the outcome of that lawsuit will be. The issue may not be as clear cut as the JC founder hopes it is. The Juicy Campus founder may not be as protected from lawsuits as he may think. The owners of an unmoderated law message board named xoxohth.com are being sued by some students who were allegedly defamed by anonymous users on that website. I’m not a lawyer so I don’t know what the outcome of that lawsuit will be. The issue may not be as clear cut as the JC founder hopes it is.

]]> By: mike http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014177 mike Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:37:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014177 There is another site that is just like this one called Campus Gossip. www.campusgossip.com . I wonder if they are dealing with the same problems? There is another site that is just like this one called Campus Gossip. http://www.campusgossip.com . I wonder if they are dealing with the same problems?

]]> By: Robert Seidman http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014142 Robert Seidman Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:04:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014142 How about non-anonymous meaness? Where's the best place to go to rag on almost completely derivative TC sites that are sorely lacking in any actual good analysis/analysts or perspective but scrape by via making it up in volume? I'm willing to call out the bad analysts by name specifically and say why I feel as I do. I know I could just use my own blog, but is there a central place for non anomymous truthful mean spirtedness? ;) How about non-anonymous meaness?

Where’s the best place to go to rag on almost completely derivative TC sites that are sorely lacking in any actual good analysis/analysts or perspective but scrape by via making it up in volume? I’m willing to call out the bad analysts by name specifically and say why I feel as I do.

I know I could just use my own blog, but is there a central place for non anomymous truthful mean spirtedness? ;)

]]> By: David http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014133 David Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:52:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014133 Gfox, the legal protection has been decided in a court of law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeran_v._AOL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_v._Rosenthal There really needs to be intent to defame or conspiracy to defame for Juicy Campus to lose their Section 230 protection. Gfox, the legal protection has been decided in a court of law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeran_v._AOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_v._Rosenthal

There really needs to be intent to defame or conspiracy to defame for Juicy Campus to lose their Section 230 protection.

]]> By: Steel http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014132 Steel Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:51:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014132 It appears the social networking fiasco in general will soon implode. People share far too much personal information that will someday bite them i their ass and now this site enables people to wage personal wars on people. SN may be fun until people's lives are adversely effected. The proverbial sh*t hitting the fan is just around the corner. It appears the social networking fiasco in general will soon implode. People share far too much personal information that will someday bite them i their ass and now this site enables people to wage personal wars on people. SN may be fun until people’s lives are adversely effected. The proverbial sh*t hitting the fan is just around the corner.

]]> By: Caligula http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014099 Caligula Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:03:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014099 One more difference, Alaska: mindless buzzwords. One more difference, Alaska: mindless buzzwords.

]]> By: Thomas Grunigsten http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014072 Thomas Grunigsten Mon, 03 Mar 2008 00:14:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/03/02/what-exactly-did-the-juicycampus-founder-think-would-happen/#comment-2014072 one difference Alaska, user traction. one difference Alaska, user traction.

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