Comments on: Mozilla Messaging Thinks Email Is Broken

By: Erick

Erick — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:01:09 +0000

@Dyde – If that website isnt Dilbert material I dont know what is.

By: Jackson

Jackson — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:57:38 +0000

Gmail is decent, but the biggest problem is that I have multiple email accounts and though Gmail allows you to check them, when you send email there’s that “on behalf of…” line.

So far I haven’t seen any web-based email that lets you send out via different emails/identities.

By: Kurtlar Vadisi

Kurtlar Vadisi — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 03:10:44 +0000

I use thunderbird daily and am very happy with it.

By: Adam Hyman

Adam Hyman — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:51:59 +0000

Haven’t they heard of Gmail?

Gmail is UNBE-FREAKING-LEAVABLE! Its incredible! The best! AWESOME and AMAZING.

And I’m no where close to their biggest fans.

By: Dyde

Dyde — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 20:50:50 +0000

Quote:
….we see our primary role as that of facilitating collaborative approaches to problem solving and incremental progress, through a combination of leadership and facilitation work.

In other words we have no f*** idea what is our role, but we will use a lot of Business language to make it look like we do. Note that he used facilitate twice.

By: Wil

Wil — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:02:29 +0000

@15 Tools -> Options -> Network & Disk Space -> “Compact folders when it will save over ___ kb”

By: leenkr.com

leenkr.com — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:37:08 +0000

email isnt broken. it does what its designed to do. is my tv broken for not cooking my steak?

By: Drew Rosser

Drew Rosser — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:07:06 +0000

Try this and see what you think. http://www.motionnotes.com

By: AlexP

AlexP — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:40:37 +0000

> Mozilla Messaging Thinks Email Is Broken

They probably mean that Thunderbird Is Broken, which is very true. It is hardly usable with a volume of 50-100 emails per day. They really expect the user to click on each mail folder and select “Compact This Folder” every few days, because it’s the ONLY way to purge delete messages from the folder’s disk file … and it’s just a random example out of many.

I really wish there was an alternative to Outlook, which is nowhere close to being bug-free itself, but there isn’t.

By: Deva Hazarika

Deva Hazarika — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:32:09 +0000

The capabilities of the Thunderbird email client are quite basic now, which could actually turn out to be an advantage as they work on more advanced capabilities and integration with other messaging mediums. Without a bunch of baggage to deal with, they can perhaps go down some more elegant paths than bloated existing apps have to attempt. More thoughts here: http://www.emai...la-messagi.html

By: sami

sami — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:19:22 +0000

Typo on the second sentence: Mozilla Messenging, unless you’re trying to a coin a phrase, Duncan.

It’s the 13th comment for a reason

By: rubu

rubu — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:53:07 +0000

If Thunderbird is going to reinvent things it needs to find ways of encouraging users to change behavior. Gmail did this with it’s archives and assurances that we didn’t need to spend half our lives sorting old emails into folders. If Thunderbird could figure out how to make Inbox 0 mainstream and if it could figure out how to integrate to-do systems it might live up to these promises.

By: Sam Lawrence

Sam Lawrence — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:23:02 +0000

So email is broken and we’re going to fix it with more email?

It’s easy to agree it’s broken. But my sense is different messaging systems can/will replace email.

For example, with Twitter, I’m connected to the people I want to be connected to. The text box only allows for 140 characters so I can’t blab forever and I don’t have to address my “email” since I’m already connected to everyone I need to. Plus I can still address private messages to people when I need to but the open communication is valuable for my network.

Do I think Twitter is the answer to email? No. But it’s a direction. And a step change which is what we’ll need to do to get out of the 1-to-1 communication, babbling b.s., and attachment hell that keeps us working blind.

By: Nick Vidal

Nick Vidal — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:50:30 +0000

E-mail is not broken, nor is Instant Messaging, they just need to evolve. E-mail 2.0 and I.M. 2.0, anyone? I recommend checking ISS (Instant Syndicating Standards), that combines features from both e-mail and instant messaging. As for a basis for Mozilla Messaging, I recommend Sameplace, an I.M. application for Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird that has recently won the Extend Firefox 2 award.

By: Erick

Erick — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:46:31 +0000

Geesh. This is just a site to market their overshadowed email client. With a snappy catch phrase of email being “broken”.

By: Martin Kelley

Martin Kelley — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:14:31 +0000

I agree that it’s not email that’s broken but our ways of using it. I’m an “Inbox 0″ fanatic now and use a combination of Remember the Milk and Backpack to serve those functions I inefficiently used my 100+ Inbox system for: to-do lists and current project archive.

This may be too late for me. I was a longtime Thunderbird user until it destroyed about six months of recent emails last year. I responded by having my Gmail account pick up backup copies via POP. This made me start looking more carefully at Gmail and I’m hooked. I love that it allows me to stay on top of email on multiple machines and extensions like RTM for Gmail and Better Gmail2 mean I can construct the interface I’d like. If Gmail could make these sorts of extensions mainstream then Thunderbird would be in trouble…

By: Simon Rivada

Simon Rivada — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:43:40 +0000

I’m very fond of Thunderbird and have been using it since the beginning on my Mac and PC. There certainly is a lot of room for improvement, especially in the search sector.

I use Thunderbird because of Outlooks shitty IMAP functionalities.

By: Oscar Gensmann

Oscar Gensmann — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:04:31 +0000

Richard Brennan, one of e-mails main strengths is that we already got a lot of applications being able to handle, store, catalog and manipulate the “format”. It’s very popular to think that skype or other IM are going to take over emails in business, but until it becomes very easy to archive, catalog, journalize and track IM messages across users it will never get serious business tracking.

IM in business is more like a phone. You can “talk” over it and agree to something, but it most cases it’s hard to make a final agreement in a message/phonecall, without a written agreement. You can use log-files and the like to catalog your agreements and look up what was decided, but the serious tools for integrating this into business calendars, workflows, CRM-systems and the like are still lacking compared to the last 10 years of work that have been put into e-mail-tech.

There are business versions of IM-servers and the like coming and they maybe have a shot in the future, but as of today I think it’s too early to declare e-mail dead and overtaken by IM. From my point of view they both serve different purposes and communication situations.

/just my 2 cents

By: Saurabh

Saurabh — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:01:19 +0000

Cool thats a real nice move to say.

http://tech.gobooks.co.in

By: Stevie Wowser

Stevie Wowser — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:53:37 +0000

Seems like email will always be broken if you don’t have conversations… I can’t believe Google is the only one to do it.

By: Todd

Todd — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:21:56 +0000

“EMAIL shall henceforth be known as EFAIL” – Tantek Çelik

http://twitter....tuses/724032562

By: Richard Brennan

Richard Brennan — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:49:08 +0000

Boring Market, what reasons (apart from spam) do you think are the wrong reasons?

Perhaps Skype and its ilk are replacing e-mail for business.

By: Boring Market

Boring Market — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:25:58 +0000

A technology is only broken when the creator stops innovating their creation for the changing times. I don’t think e-mail is broken, just misused. People use e-mail for the wrong reasons, and hope e-mail will bend for their own uses. For example, ‘facilitating collaboration’ was never e-mail’s focus or objective. Rather then bend e-mails uses, why not create a program totally different…a technology that is created for the purpose of ‘facilitating collaboration’.

By: Technicle

Technicle — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:25:32 +0000

Email is certainly broken because of the email spams, which Mozilla Messaging is unlikely able to fix anyway.