February 19, 2008

Introducing The Most Advanced News Site On The Planet

Michael Arrington

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Well, another news aggregator launched today. This one is called Newspond, and while they didn’t set a record for baseless hyperbole, they come close.

The site, like TechMeme and Digg, tries to determine breaking and important news - but it is a little different than both. Digg uses user voting to determine headlines. Techmeme uses linking behavior of blogs and other news sites. Both are, arguably, fairly transparent, and you can see the number of user votes or inbound links, respectively to a headline. Newspond, by contrast, has a black box algorithm that looks at number of factors and comes up with an overall score called a Buoyancy Rating. The higher the rating, the higher the headline.

So their approach is fine, although I argue that it’s filling a need that doesn’t exist. There’s just little to drive people to the site day after day. The user interaction on Digg, both from submitting and voting on stories (and getting all your friends to vote on stories) drives significant viral growth. TechMeme doesn’t have that, and has orders of magnitude less traffic. Newspond doesn’t have it either. And it’s unlikely to replace TechMeme as the blogger’s news site of choice.

But they just make ridiculous statements on the website that I can’t ignore. The home page says Newspond is “The most advanced news site on the planet.” The about page has a huge yellow ball thingy and the same words in 40 point type. It also calls itself “the ultimate hub for the latest news.”

What’s the technology behind this stunning new startup? Well, within “the heart of Newspond lies a tireless electronic brain” with “highly-advanced machine intelligence” that analyzes news “at a faster rate of speed than any human being could ever dream of.”

It reads like a movie script.

So far here’s my experience with the site - questionable freshness on the headlines and a complete failure to send me an activation for my account signup (they’ve posted on their blog about the problem). They also fail to provide a RSS feed for their content. Not so useful.

More and more websites are starting to make these types of ridiculous claims to get attention. It works, but only for a day. And after that, with your credibility shot, everyone is waiting for the inevitable failure. And since expectations have been set so astronomically high, even a mild success is still seen as a dismal failure.

Glam did it on a grand scale when they called themselves the “fastest growing web property in the United States” to justify a huge valuation. What they really are is a big ad network that’s currently unprofitable but is growing rapidly. But they are most certainly not the largest womens site on the Internet, or the fastest growing site in the U.S. (they count the traffic of all of the sites they sell ads for as “theirs). Glam is worthy of positive attention, but their ridiculous statements cost them credibility.

And we saw it again yesterday. New startup YouNoodle, which is currently little more than a catalog of startups, claimed that they could predict the valuation of startups five years out based on nothing more than information about the founders. The product hasn’t even launched, but the New York Times jumped on the story anyway. The only way I’ll believe it works, I said, is if they use it to predict their own failure.

I’m going to continue to call companies on unrestrained hyperbole, and hold them to the expectations they’ve set with users. Being proud of your work is one thing, but spouting random nonsense is something else entirely. Enough.

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  1. ashkan karbasfrooshan

    Good for you.

    With all due respect, for the longest time you were guilty of blowing air into the bubble… so it’s a welcome change to call BS on some of this, well, you know what.

    Yes, I am talking about that magical 2-day span when you chronicled:

    - a peeing site, mizpee
    - Kevin Rose’s 3rd startup
    - a back from the dead company, Swaptree
    - a walking dead company, Feedster.

  2. Steel

    The site AND claims are BS. It reminds me of one horse shops numbering in the thousands that opened an auction site using out of the box software claiming to be the next ebay. Thousands failed.

  3. Alaska Miller

    Ridiculous and pointless. At the end of the day, you know who breaks news? CNN or FoxNews. Because they have the journalists and they buy the AP feeds. And you know who else America turns to keep up to date on the day’s news? Drudge.

  4. Michael Arrington

    peeing site?

  5. Christopher Finke

    No RSS feed? It’s useless to me.

  6. yongfook

    i prefer the old spond.

  7. Michael Arrington

    wow. we did.

    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....mizpeecom/

    cool.

  8. Eric

    you should change the headline to “introducing the most advanced news site on the planet”

  9. Alaska Miller

    oh i thought this was a venture backed company. it’s just a web designer’s project. like whitesoap.com or something. oh well. no point to get all riled up for a designer’s pet project.

  10. Technicle

    Pondnews seems a better name for them.

  11. Michael Arrington

    Eric - agree. done.

    Why don’t you bail on that second rate operation you’re currently at and come work for the good guys (us)?

    :-)

  12. Chris

    While I respect the effort that they put into it, I feel like they’re trying to sell me on the eyecandy rather than on the content. There are unnecessary design elements all over the site that would have probably been cool back in 2004. Essentially they’re TechMeme but with a candy coating… the only problem with that is TechMeme isn’t broken… so why fix it? Do they bring anything new to the table becuase it certianly doesn’t seem like it…

  13. Michael Arrington

    Chris - they bring lots to the table. Like “highly-advanced machine intelligence.” Who wouldn’t want a little more of that?

  14. sean percival

    its so shiny!

    MIANNNE EYESSSSS

  15. User447

    Somebody went out of control with photoshop plugins. Nuff said. The rest of it is LOL funnay.

  16. Tequila Al

    Yesterday in a rural Texas town we had HUGE Gas plant explosion that made national news. I didn’t find anything on Digg or Newspond about the explosion.These sites are creative, cool, and fun, but limited to the industry for the time being. I still think the hot chick reading the breaking news is the key. I’ll keep watching Robin Meade.

  17. un.valley

    at least they dont have a beta sticker.

  18. Chris

    Michael - Maybe they can utilize some of that “highly-advanced machine intelligence” to get Opera compatibility and an RSS feed? Two things that should be no-brainers for any site these days.

    I also love how they fail to mention this fantastic article in their blog thanking everyone for the launch coverage…

  19. Joseph

    Now, do people want the nice, shiny, apple-look-a-like news website, or the more lighter, no-nonsense news site? Interesting to see what the people’s preferences are.

  20. Jay

    I’m not sure if I’m more impressed that you covered a pee oriented service (*go Duncan*) or that your readers commanded it at the top of their list. That’s pretty cool on multiple levels.

  21. sean percival

    Ok on a serious note, I love the idea of aggregaters like techmeme and even this. I would rather though someone made a “roll you own aggregater”. Something I could adjust the white/black lists on and tune for keywords etc. Someone fund this!

  22. Joke Cricket

    So what is the YouNoodle score for Newspond
    :)

  23. Steve

    Yeah, I don’t know if it’s really the best thing since sliced web 2.0 bread. A newsreader that bases it’s content on a multitude of users really doesn’t give everyone what they want, does it? You know, stuff that actually interests them?

    Wow, that sounds really spiel-sy.

    But there IS a newsreader out there that exists that bases it’s content on what the user actually WANTS to see. It’s ‘Sprout’, a “new intuitive newsreader that sends content to the user based on their personal preferences.” (says their site). There’s a free trial on now. You can find the trial here: http://www.yoursprout.ca.

  24. Amanda Mooney

    @un.valley with a “tireless electronic brain” working for you, why would you ever need to launch in beta? :)

  25. Paul

    In before Persai

  26. Rob Sandie

    Two more mistakes (newspond people listen):

    1. When you are logged out and click Reply to a comment or favorite a story, it doesn’t do anything. It should send you to a register/login screen or even better bring a lightbox in to gather that info and log them in asynchronously.

    2. They ask you to “Create a new user”. Not “Sign Up” or “Register” which would be normal. That just sounds wrong on so many levels.

    The Flip Side:

    1. This is a two person team according to the about us. Small teams result with often little outside perspective. You keep your head down and control all aspects of a site it happens it’s impossible to account for everything. With Viddler’s version 1 we had many problems.

    2. They Solve Story Duplication very nicely. This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I read my RSS feed and I find similar articles all redigested from 5 different sources. This reports one article with multiple sources and let’s you explore the story that way. There database is small right now but look what this sources are aggregated here: http://www.newspond.com/story=231343 . It needs work but a nice start

    3. So what if they exaggerate? To me it’s pretty clear they were just some software developers working hard and having fun with this.

  27. drew

    PERSAI!

  28. Hendra

    I went to charm school, so I say: It’s nothing but male bovine excrement!

  29. lawrence

    the startup world - just like hollywood, is egos galore

    let ‘em be, if it doesn’t work - reality will let them know, all in due time

  30. Ian Bell

    I like the site personally. I like the look of it and find the stories interesting. To be honest, this is better than Digg because you don’t have the Digg “gangs”, groups of idiots that only vote up Apple and anti-Microsoft stories.

    As for the about us page, sure its a little over the top, but at least they are using marketing principles - remember 99% of the world falls for them ;)

    And for the average Joe that might stumble across NewsPond.com, this could be the greatest thing in the world to them.

  31. Wayne Robinson

    Whilst the site seems a little useless to me, the website look and feel is magnificent, right down to the way you interact with the threading in comments.

    I want to hire this web designer!

  32. Simplebucket

    I actually liked the site… for goodness sake, they are a 2 person startup and has just launched.. so I would at least give them the benefit of the doubt.. although its not too smart for claiming themselves to be the most advance news site on the planet, come on, they are missing out by not claiming to the best in the milky way.. aliens do read news u know..

  33. Chan Karunamuni

    Hey thanks for the comments. The about page was indeed written with a lot of enthusiasm for the site, and perhaps was a little over the top, even I admit. It definitely wouldn’t hurt to tone it down a bit and we’ll definitely look into re-wording that page a bit.

    Newspond was originally built as a tool for both myself and LucyLuBot to get the latest news, long before we decided to make into an actual product. And we’ll continue to try and make it the best news gathering tool we can, regardless of how we present ourselves.

    Cheers!

  34. Matt

    i think the proof is in the pudding… (proof in the putting? pudding? who cares…) the fact remains, function is king… you can make something as pretty as you think it can be… but putting all your attention to detail into your design first and foremost is a sin… look at the top services… any of them that you find visually attractive, hit up the wayback machine and see how pretty that shit was when the core was coming to life… right? i think it’s a valuable lesson… people don’t care as much about “great design” as designers tend to think… and it’s clearly not going to win your service any comers in lieu of a decent technical offering… :(

    pretty though… just not very useful.

  35. Rob Sandie

    @Chan don’t tone it down, push it way over the top. overlay.tv launched there product video on there frontpage way over the top and it was clear they were having fun with it.

    Have fun with it and don’t pay attention to the critics.

  36. Isaac

    Is it me or does “Newspond” sound like “New Spawn”

    Was that the last domain left on the internet? Maybe they should buy “therapists4kids.com” That would be a better domain for them…

  37. BA Hellman

    Michael, if you are sick of aggregators touting movie scripts, take a look at nobosh. nobosh has dozens of reasons for users to keep coming back in ways that the so-called “tireless electronic brain” has failed.

  38. Matt

    @36 .. newspond is actually a great name.. jealous?

  39. Benoit

    I don’t know how the service will work out, but I have to admit that the design is gorgeous. I checked out the homepage of the designer and it looks like a lot of his designs are very similar. He does one thing, but he does it very, very well.

  40. Michael Arrington

    gorgeous sites tend to fail. useful sites tend to succeed.

  41. Judo

    you’re going to continue to cover and give publicity to site’s with rediculous claims?? What a total waste of time, a single post aggregating and comparing these sorts of releases would be ample.

    In a way it is counterproductive, I’m sure many an entrepeneur cranked up the hyperbole dial a notch just to get a mention after they saw your post.

  42. Sean McBride

    Based on their about page, I’m guessing that they saw a vacancy in the market for “Apple-styled” news sites. It’s soooooooo Apple!

  43. shafqat

    Yup, gorgeous but not very useful. The question is when are we going to get a news site that has useful news for the mainstream? For people who don’t know what Digg is, but still go online to look for non-techie news. Newspond is just another news site because it’s inundated with Tech and Gaming articles. Niches are great, but who will take care of the masses? Newsvine comes close, but there is certainly space for more.

  44. Scott

    I thought the interaction and speed was great! I liked the design though felt maybe the colors were a little dark. However, I like the AJAX and speed of content loads.

  45. Rick

    The site seems totally useless to me.

    Kudos to the interface designer though, the site looks gorgeous whilst remaining clean, fast and usable. There are still way too few designers out there that can pull that off.

  46. dave mcclure

    actually, gorgeous sites are doomed to fail, but you can be sure butt-ugly sites that stick around for awhile are doing something right.

    (ebay, case in point, looked like dog vomit warmed over for many of the early years. didn’t matter, they were still printing fuck-you money all over the place)

  47. dave mcclure

    (sorry are => aren’t)

  48. Michael Arrington

    Judo - an interesting debate has certainly popped up around the site, with people on both sides. definitely glad i posted.

  49. fran

    Are you going to call out people who review products with a few minutes of experience with the products? What would you call such reviews? Uninformed, lazy, crap?

  50. Emea

    You really believe the site looks gorgeous ???? I need a drink …

  51. Jo

    Michael is right ; there’s great exaggeration in the the words they used on the website. The algorithm is simple and there is no AI involved it.

    It took me a couple of hours to write the memetracker script yesterday. What’s the big deal. Why calling it most advanced when there’s no AI but just breaking a sentence into keywords.

    If they were so brilliant then , tell me how they can’t develop a secure website.

    Their website is open to SQL INJECTION attacks. Sorry for those folks who registered in the website. Your details are at risk.

  52. Owen Byrne

    Criticizing a digg competitor for “questionable freshness of headlines” suggests you haven’t been to digg in a very long time.

  53. Kraig Kruze

    The visual styling and interface design of this site is simply beautiful… Some people may just see it as ‘eye candy’, yet to me it is clear a sincere amount of effort and thought has gone in to this… Some of the little touches are simply magical!

    Quite frankly, I think some people are just pissed at how good this thing looks and feels… Hence the style over substance argument….

  54. Dennis Howlett

    I like it - dunno about ‘questionable freshness’ ‘cos that’s always debatable but I do like a clean interface and Freshpond has that in spades. Some parts of it are not so great. No RSS is suckingly dumb.

    On the question of design - I think Mike’s plain wrong. Design matters as does user experience. Ask the average SAP R/3 user what they think. When we saw BBD we loved it on function, dissed it on design - back to the drawing board they went.

    But…function over form always wins. So if this is missing a few tricks then it will fall by the wayside. Nevertheless, I like there is more competition coming into the tracker space.

  55. Owen Byrne

    Given the coverage that they’re getting, I’d say style is way more important than substance.

  56. Tyler

    How out of touch with a large portion of your target demographic do you have to be to provide content related to tech and not offer an RSS feed?

  57. Kraig Kruze

    I think any alternative to Digg is healthy… Digg is very good, but not the be all and end all of online news…

    Comparing Newspond to sites such as Digg is not necessarily a good indicator of how successful it may be.

  58. Kraig Kruze

    RSS? I would imagine they just need to switch it on… ;)

  59. Kevin C. Tofel

    One quick glance and I said ‘meh’. However, I do see one minor tidbit of interesting info on their site that I’m not finding on Digg or Techmeme: how long ago each media outlet wrote about a particular story. Tells me who’s leading and who’s following to a small degree. The shortcomings of the site will still keep me away from it, but thought it was worth a mention.

  60. Alex Hammer

    Will TechCrunch potentially employ a reader voting system (Digg like or other format) for quantifyable input both in terms of reader’s views on companies and products profiled on TechCrunch and also on TechCrunch stories themselves?

    I notice that the comments are an integral part of TechCruch, but there appears little way of quickly sifting and pulling out the “collective intelligence” from them (difficult admittedly to separate from opinion, also it is not clear whether there would be a responder bias, that is whether those who comment are representative of the readership or audience at large).

    It would be great to have some objective credibility or trust system, maybe like eBay employs, to really determine what commenters and opinions are most knowledgeable/valid.

    I like that Michael interacts a lot in the comments. My guess is that that is a significant factor in building up the TechCrunch community, so to speak, and the success of the site.

  61. Raskin

    Meh. I go to Rawstory.com for news … and it is ALL I need. kinda like a Drudge, only with a lefty bias.

  62. JosefVirek

    There really isn’t anything compelling enough for me to switch to Newspond.

    Here’s a suggestion, without revealing too much about your algorithm, explain to everyone (in detail and without the cheesy adjectives) how the bouyancy rating is calculated. Mimic what google did with PageRank. Google explained how pagerank worked and that gave PageRank credibility.

    A user has to know (and more importantly, care) how/why a specific article is important/popular and why is it better than Digg/REddit/etc.

  63. jennydecki

    I’ve been looking for news with “highly-advanced machine intelligence” for so long, and now…now it’s finally here and I don’t have to be satisfied with the CNN scrollbar anymore. This is moving on up to the East side!

    Great post, I really enjoyed it.

  64. rubu

    When we saw BBD we loved it on function, dissed it on design - back to the drawing board they went.

  65. gregory

    news.google.com…. boring mainstream status quo, and dumbed down

    reddit.com…. diversions, not news

    digg…. low key sensational, not news

    slashdot, techmeme, techcrunch…. very nice, but tech only

    where is the intelligent/alternate/global/independent/balanced aggregated news site?

    hasn’t been built yet, i think… i am waiting

  66. Aaron Mentele

    It’s very pretty, though.

  67. Patrick Grote

    Gregory … amen.

    Techmeme is pretty damn close to being perfect on the tech front, but for all around there is nothing yet.

  68. Shey | SweetSop Design

    How can the world’s most advanced news site not have an RSS feed? Anyone else sense a date with the deadpool?

  69. BubbleHead

    I haven’t looked at NewsPond yet, but I think these guys are pretty smart. Their over-the-top hyperbole got them coverage on TechCrunch and a number of other blogs where most small startups go unnoticed no matter how cool their site is.

    Now with all the links in, they are going to have some google juice and at least get some traffic to start things off.

  70. BubbleHead

    Also, I think the site meggite lets you roll your own techmeme.

  71. Anand

    Good luck to the founders,
    but I find the name realllyyy boringg - Newspond LOL..

  72. Varun Mathur

    If Newspond had a RSS feed…you can just plug it in “the Most Advanced RSS Feed Reader On The Planet”, alongside your Techmeme, Digg and Newsvine feeds and see the news from ALL of them :P

    I’m talking about Alertle (http://www.alertle.com)

  73. Greg

    @gregory

    I personally think the site that mixes all them is NewzNozzl.

  74. sodapop

    I have a dozen of this sites bookmarked and the same thing happens to all of them - they run the same dame stories - pop culture and emotional hysteria. And then it might as well be the front page of CNN or some other corporate shill. What we need is a site that sorts out the meaningless and useless news and delivers us news *we should read* at the same time protecting us from the personal slants of the editors. That’s what Digg and user ranking attempts, but they have fallen in to tar pit of mirroring traditional media because their users are still brain washed. They want to see Paris’ cooch when they should be reading the details behind the mortgage industry collapse.

  75. Matt

    quick question… everybody so hungry for a mature news aggregation service, who’s willing to pay a subscription? you know that’s the only way to conquer the Digg mentality… so unless your willing to pay (and say so outloud) then you’re never going to get the service you hope for… (free services are subject to trollism and spam.. it’s just life).

  76. Eduardo Sasso

    I always thought about building something like this, but they did it first, so thumbs up for newspond, nice service and great design also

    Eduardo
    http://openjobs.com.br