Comments on: UK Proposes Three Strikes And You’re Out Illegal Downloading Law http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/ Startup and Technology News Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:08:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: bob http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-2001042 bob Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:57:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-2001042 Buy music and films end off!!!! filesharing wont kill off the big companies but will kill off small music genres eg Hardcore trance etc! Buy music and films end off!!!!

filesharing wont kill off the big companies but will kill off small music genres eg Hardcore trance etc!

]]> By: Martin http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1996648 Martin Sun, 17 Feb 2008 23:31:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1996648 I wonder if they'll censor google image of the MP who died in his tights with an orange down his throat. I wonder if they’ll censor google image of the MP who died in his tights with an orange down his throat.

]]> By: treesmoker08 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1992713 treesmoker08 Fri, 15 Feb 2008 17:56:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1992713 i completly agree with everything said on this site (apart from guy @ #36) there is sooooooo many more problems in england like all the yobs killing people, phedo's, robbery ect. but a big group of politicts have got together and thought: we either spend money on the crimes that are crippling Britian.. OR........... we make as much money as we can taxin Britian in another atempt to watch every move we make. i seriously hope the isp's are doing everything they can to stop this law going through because they will lose SOOOOOOOOOO much money if this goes through because most of the people that buy these 20MB+ Broadband deals are the ones that download all the movies, music and games. @ Wibbly (post #28) i can only hope that your right mate because i cant think of anything else that id want to use the internet 4. i completly agree with everything said on this site (apart from guy @ #36)

there is sooooooo many more problems in england like all the yobs killing people, phedo’s, robbery ect. but a big group of politicts have got together and thought:

we either spend money on the crimes that are crippling Britian.. OR………..
we make as much money as we can taxin Britian in another atempt to watch every move we make.

i seriously hope the isp’s are doing everything they can to stop this law going through because they will lose SOOOOOOOOOO much money if this goes through because most of the people that buy these 20MB+ Broadband deals are the ones that download all the movies, music and games.

@ Wibbly (post #28) i can only hope that your right mate because i cant think of anything else that id want to use the internet 4.

]]> By: Shayne http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990058 Shayne Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:34:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990058 Okay 2 more cents, How much business are the isp willing to loss to force these rules. Two scenario's 1st. A business lossing internet access because multiple users download illegal content. Is an ISP going to cancel a big client. 2nd. Home users downloading illegal content. Are the ISP's willing to lose thousands of clients. Okay 2 more cents,

How much business are the isp willing to loss to force these rules.

Two scenario’s

1st. A business lossing internet access because multiple users download illegal content. Is an ISP going to cancel a big client.

2nd. Home users downloading illegal content. Are the ISP’s willing to lose thousands of clients.

]]> By: Shayne http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990037 Shayne Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:19:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990037 I'm putting my 4 cents in. If they actually implement this law. An easy way around it would be to create a simple encryption which changes file name and bit around. Hell sending the data backwards would most likely get the data by the isp with out them know. Who going to create this software to scan the packets and what would the price tag to this software be. I’m putting my 4 cents in.

If they actually implement this law. An easy way around it would be to create a simple encryption which changes file name and bit around. Hell sending the data backwards would most likely get the data by the isp with out them know.

Who going to create this software to scan the packets and what would the price tag to this software be.

]]> By: Shayne http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990018 Shayne Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:11:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1990018 Why doesn't the music industry follow in the foot steps of any search engine or website that makes money off of advertisements. Google and yahoo take in huge revenue from advertisements. Why not offer their own songs from the own website for free and collect revenue from advertising. 1. By offering the songs for free you would make the market for illegal copies of the product not worth while creating. Majority of consumer would respect this avenue and would goto the correct site to get the music. 2. You would create an avenue to generate a lot of money to make up for loss in sales. 3. Look at all the money you would save by not having to research piracy formats. No more lawsuits about incompatible mp3 players. PS. Are they going to hook my tape deck or VCR up to the internet, so they can find out when I'm recording live feeds too. (radio, cable/satilite tv) Thats why the cd came out. There was no way copy them at first. Why doesn’t the music industry follow in the foot steps of any search engine or website that makes money off of advertisements. Google and yahoo take in huge revenue from advertisements. Why not offer their own songs from the own website for free and collect revenue from advertising.

1. By offering the songs for free you would make the market for illegal copies of the product not worth while creating. Majority of consumer would respect this avenue and would goto the correct site to get the music.

2. You would create an avenue to generate a lot of money to make up for loss in sales.

3. Look at all the money you would save by not having to research piracy formats. No more lawsuits about incompatible mp3 players.

PS. Are they going to hook my tape deck or VCR up to the internet, so they can find out when I’m recording live feeds too. (radio, cable/satilite tv) Thats why the cd came out. There was no way copy them at first.

]]> By: yahn http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1988427 yahn Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:35:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1988427 It makes mi sick. They treat their costumers as criminals and now they want ISPs to cripple internet connection for everybody and get us all under surveillance just because they are not able to come up with a business model suitable for digital age... does that make you angry too? Does that make you wanna boycott those who finance RIAA? It certainly works for me... I have bought hundreds of original DVDs in my life. I am not going to buy any DVD, I am not going to the cinema, I am not buying any CD until they have given up their war against us - their consumers. They have no right to watch my internet connection, they have no right to force the ISPs to do that for them, they have no right to fight innovation and make everyone responsible for their inability to adapt themselves to this new situation... but they don't understand. So lets let their wallets do the talking. It would be much easier to live without their stupid movies than without freedom. It makes mi sick. They treat their costumers as criminals and now they want ISPs to cripple internet connection for everybody and get us all under surveillance just because they are not able to come up with a business model suitable for digital age… does that make you angry too? Does that make you wanna boycott those who finance RIAA?

It certainly works for me…

I have bought hundreds of original DVDs in my life. I am not going to buy any DVD, I am not going to the cinema, I am not buying any CD until they have given up their war against us - their consumers. They have no right to watch my internet connection, they have no right to force the ISPs to do that for them, they have no right to fight innovation and make everyone responsible for their inability to adapt themselves to this new situation… but they don’t understand. So lets let their wallets do the talking.

It would be much easier to live without their stupid movies than without freedom.

]]> By: Grant Downie http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1988108 Grant Downie Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:38:43 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1988108 @Guy Entertainment has been around for jundreds of years in all sorts.. They didn't have big flashy Ads. You are aware when you watch a film such their are dozens of placed ads by sponsors which they would of received millions for. Take for example James bond - Casino Royale. Can you honestly say that the vaio and sony phones were rammed in you're face in a really obvious way? If were talking about supporting the industry- then we do. We go to the cinema when they produce something worthwhile, we buy cd's when its of an artist that you know is a worthwhile purchase. I download yes, just because a) I'm impatient and want american shows as they are released in the states. I still pay my tv license.. b) Again, the quality of 'entertainment' the past few years has been dire! The industry is NEVER going to die... believing that in 20 years it is going to vanish is a terrible terrible assumption. It's technology, they need to learn to work with it not fight it. And suiing everyone of their "clients" of their work is not moving with it. Downie. @Guy

Entertainment has been around for jundreds of years in all sorts.. They didn’t have big flashy Ads.

You are aware when you watch a film such their are dozens of placed ads by sponsors which they would of received millions for.

Take for example James bond - Casino Royale. Can you honestly say that the vaio and sony phones were rammed in you’re face in a really obvious way?

If were talking about supporting the industry- then we do. We go to the cinema when they produce something worthwhile, we buy cd’s when its of an artist that you know is a worthwhile purchase.

I download yes, just because

a) I’m impatient and want american shows as they are released in the states. I still pay my tv license..

b) Again, the quality of ‘entertainment’ the past few years has been dire!

The industry is NEVER going to die… believing that in 20 years it is going to vanish is a terrible terrible assumption.

It’s technology, they need to learn to work with it not fight it. And suiing everyone of their “clients” of their work is not moving with it.

Downie.

]]> By: AntiStar http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987881 AntiStar Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:09:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987881 He Guy, go jump off a bridge! He Guy, go jump off a bridge!

]]> By: Guy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987843 Guy Wed, 13 Feb 2008 12:39:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987843 This is a great idea, the music and film industry are slowly dieing from piracy. If we want decent entertainment in the next 20 years, we have to keep paying for it. I would ban ALL file sharing... its the cheapest and easiest way. I know its spit your dummies out time, but do we want to be entertained? If we keep stealing art, there will be nothing left of any great value to steal. This is a great idea, the music and film industry are slowly dieing from piracy. If we want decent entertainment in the next 20 years, we have to keep paying for it. I would ban ALL file sharing… its the cheapest and easiest way. I know its spit your dummies out time, but do we want to be entertained? If we keep stealing art, there will be nothing left of any great value to steal.

]]> By: Smart http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987510 Smart Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:47:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987510 Why are tax payers paying the government to protect a dying business model? How many people have to go to jail before the chimps evolve? Also, this is a great way to end open wifi as we know it. Why are tax payers paying the government to protect a dying business model? How many people have to go to jail before the chimps evolve?

Also, this is a great way to end open wifi as we know it.

]]> By: Chrißo http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987373 Chrißo Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:11:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987373 This is sad. Why can't all these so-called victims of piracy just learn that by working against the world of internet they are only making themselves bigger targets? A compromise is needed, similar to projects such as GNU and other freeware initiatives. This is sad. Why can’t all these so-called victims of piracy just learn that by working against the world of internet they are only making themselves bigger targets? A compromise is needed, similar to projects such as GNU and other freeware initiatives.

]]> By: Grant Downie http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987238 Grant Downie Wed, 13 Feb 2008 05:18:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1987238 Unfortunately I didn't check techcrunch earlier today- leaving the delivery of this news the hands of my flat mate. If the UK are proposing these measures.. and feel that it is possible to enforce.. then why do so many other internet crimes go on within the UK? I hate to do it and use the word... but every now and then a story crops up regarding Paedophiles within the UK managing to get access to sites which hosts this illegal content. Why oh why.. is the government flexing their "Big Brother" muscle on illegal downloading and not focussing this on the greater good? Not just paedophiles, but Internet fraud also! Now I don't know my exact stats on this... but i'm pretttty confident Internet Fraud within the UK costs far greater than copyright infringement. As I say I could be completely wrong, but as a British citizen I can say I would far prefer hearing Fraudsters and paedophiles are being "banned", and not someone sat at their pc watching the latest 'pirated' movie while drinking some OJ. But as most folk have already said- I look forward to when I'm sat on my flying pig and reading the paper of users being caught with this new proposed law. Downie. //end rant. Unfortunately I didn’t check techcrunch earlier today- leaving the delivery of this news the hands of my flat mate.

If the UK are proposing these measures.. and feel that it is possible to enforce.. then why do so many other internet crimes go on within the UK?

I hate to do it and use the word… but every now and then a story crops up regarding Paedophiles within the UK managing to get access to sites which hosts this illegal content. Why oh why.. is the government flexing their “Big Brother” muscle on illegal downloading and not focussing this on the greater good? Not just paedophiles, but Internet fraud also!

Now I don’t know my exact stats on this… but i’m pretttty confident Internet Fraud within the UK costs far greater than copyright infringement. As I say I could be completely wrong, but as a British citizen I can say I would far prefer hearing Fraudsters and paedophiles are being “banned”, and not someone sat at their pc watching the latest ‘pirated’ movie while drinking some OJ.

But as most folk have already said- I look forward to when I’m sat on my flying pig and reading the paper of users being caught with this new proposed law.

Downie.

//end rant.

]]> By: Saim Baig http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986682 Saim Baig Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:55:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986682 Once again? Nothing will happen again.Illegal Downloads can't be stopped sir.If it happens then boy, Uk users will have a boring internet. Once again?
Nothing will happen again.Illegal Downloads can’t be stopped sir.If it happens then boy, Uk users will have a boring internet.

]]> By: plop http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986382 plop Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:05:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986382 i thought governments should have been busy fighting global warming etc, yet no in the UK they have the time to get up to all sorts of sleaze while in the mean time peddling claptrap for corporations who have a history of dubious dealings. I'm starting a new political party (hidden behind a proxy sever) in the UK called the 'pirating-party.com' vote for me in the coming elections..... i thought governments should have been busy fighting global warming etc, yet no in the UK they have the time to get up to all sorts of sleaze while in the mean time peddling claptrap for corporations who have a history of dubious dealings.

I’m starting a new political party (hidden behind a proxy sever) in the UK called the ‘pirating-party.com’ vote for me in the coming elections…..

]]> By: plop http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986369 plop Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:59:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986369 @22 I’ll bet my right arm most have never used a PC!! LOL @22

I’ll bet my right arm most have never used a PC!!

LOL

]]> By: Alize http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986364 Alize Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:57:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986364 Pity they don't do this count for robbers, muggers and rapists first. Pity they don’t do this count for robbers, muggers and rapists first.

]]> By: Wibbly http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986110 Wibbly Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:51:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986110 This is laughable anybody with a gram of network savvy will be around this in 10mins, Ip masking, spoofing, proxies etc. spring to mind, then theres the coders that will start to write the programs to deflect around the problem, What one man can make another can undo. Also a large majority of people dont encrypt their wireless network, and wep encryption is easy to get around there is many a tutorial on the web about that. The only problem here is the price structure why should the likes of Madonna become a billionaire for doing as much work as anybody else, the music and film industry had it too good for too long, power to the peerple. LOL This is laughable anybody with a gram of network savvy will be around this in 10mins, Ip masking, spoofing, proxies etc. spring to mind, then theres the coders that will start to write the programs to deflect around the problem, What one man can make another can undo.
Also a large majority of people dont encrypt their wireless network, and wep encryption is easy to get around there is many a tutorial on the web about that.
The only problem here is the price structure why should the likes of Madonna become a billionaire for doing as much work as anybody else, the music and film industry had it too good for too long, power to the peerple. LOL

]]> By: NotABug http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986014 NotABug Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:53:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1986014 "This is bullocks!" “This is bullocks!”

]]> By: Todd http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985908 Todd Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:45:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985908 You may expect intentional "poison pills" as a countermeasure, where copyrighted songs are hidden in web pages and downloaded when the page loads - causing hundreds of thousands of people to unknowingly break the law. Pod casts innocuously labeled "Best recipe for cupcakes" are MP3s. They intend to revoke internet access to half the population of Britain? You may expect intentional “poison pills” as a countermeasure, where copyrighted songs are hidden in web pages and downloaded when the page loads - causing hundreds of thousands of people to unknowingly break the law. Pod casts innocuously labeled “Best recipe for cupcakes” are MP3s.

They intend to revoke internet access to half the population of Britain?

]]> By: miquel http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985906 miquel Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:44:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985906 And how to control the opened wifi networks? The ignorant politicians in all countries are under the presure of the same lobbies. And how to control the opened wifi networks? The ignorant politicians in all countries are under the presure of the same lobbies.

]]> By: William http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985889 William Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:38:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985889 Most of the guys who come up with these laws/proposals are soo far from relaity its just unbelieveable..! I'll bet my right arm most have never used a PC!! Have they not learnt anything from previous piracy cases..? The music industry learnt the hard way!! Most of the guys who come up with these laws/proposals are soo far from relaity its just unbelieveable..! I’ll bet my right arm most have never used a PC!!

Have they not learnt anything from previous piracy cases..? The music industry learnt the hard way!!

]]> By: FdX http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985857 FdX Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:16:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985857 @ Leaving The Day Job: it's not that complcated in fact, if you blacklist someone with his name, adress and bank account it should work @ Leaving The Day Job: it’s not that complcated in fact, if you blacklist someone with his name, adress and bank account it should work

]]> By: FdX http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985850 FdX Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:11:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985850 Also i've been using wuala for some time now, and i'm not sure it's possible to easily track people sharing copyrighted stuff on wuala.... so maybe the future is here Also i’ve been using wuala for some time now, and i’m not sure it’s possible to easily track people sharing copyrighted stuff on wuala…. so maybe the future is here

]]> By: FdX http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985843 FdX Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:09:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/12/uk-proposes-three-strikes-and-your-out-illegal-downloading-law/#comment-1985843 I don't know how it works in the UK but in France the owner of the rights have now the right to collect the Ip adresses of illegal downloaders and then, the ISP have to give them the names of the guys behind the IP. So basically, illegal download is not forgiven only illegal download of stuff wich someone can prove they own the rights (is this last sentence real english ?? :-)... What i mean is that big companies will probably look for people who download the top 10 most downloaded stuff.... Basically it's gonna be harder downloading "Transformers".... probably not "Citizen Kane" :-) I don’t know how it works in the UK but in France the owner of the rights have now the right to collect the Ip adresses of illegal downloaders and then, the ISP have to give them the names of the guys behind the IP. So basically, illegal download is not forgiven only illegal download of stuff wich someone can prove they own the rights (is this last sentence real english ?? :-)…

What i mean is that big companies will probably look for people who download the top 10 most downloaded stuff…. Basically it’s gonna be harder downloading “Transformers”…. probably not “Citizen Kane” :-)

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