Comments on: A Radical Option For Yahoo: Out-Open Google http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:29:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Yahoo Boss Is So Open, It Runs on Google’s App Engine | Get The Latest Work at Home Business Buzz http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2429119 Yahoo Boss Is So Open, It Runs on Google’s App Engine | Get The Latest Work at Home Business Buzz Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:41:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2429119 [...] I’ve argued in the past, Yahoo needs to out-open Google if it is going to have any chance at competing in search. Even if it’s too late to catch up to [...] [...] I’ve argued in the past, Yahoo needs to out-open Google if it is going to have any chance at competing in search. Even if it’s too late to catch up to [...]

]]> By: Yahoo Boss Is So Open, It Runs on Google’s App Engine http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2428206 Yahoo Boss Is So Open, It Runs on Google’s App Engine Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:07:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2428206 [...] I’ve argued in the past, Yahoo needs to out-open Google if it is going to have any chance at competing in search. Even if it’s too late to catch up [...] [...] I’ve argued in the past, Yahoo needs to out-open Google if it is going to have any chance at competing in search. Even if it’s too late to catch up [...]

]]> By: Web 2.0 Expo Blog » Blog Archive » Yahoo is the new Britney http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2417622 Web 2.0 Expo Blog » Blog Archive » Yahoo is the new Britney Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:22:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2417622 [...] in.  What should Yahoo do?  The most interesting opinion so far, comes from Erick Schonfeld at TechCrunch. He proposes Yahoo “out-open Google.” The only way to fight Google is to use its own weapons [...] [...] in.  What should Yahoo do?  The most interesting opinion so far, comes from Erick Schonfeld at TechCrunch. He proposes Yahoo “out-open Google.” The only way to fight Google is to use its own weapons [...]

]]> By: Yahoo’s First Search Gallery Apps Leaves You Searching For The Right Results http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2353094 Yahoo’s First Search Gallery Apps Leaves You Searching For The Right Results Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:13:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2353094 [...] newly opened Search Gallery. I really do. Opening up its search engine to outside developers is an idea worth applauding (although it could still do more). That’s why I was excited when Yahoo announced its [...] [...] newly opened Search Gallery. I really do. Opening up its search engine to outside developers is an idea worth applauding (although it could still do more). That’s why I was excited when Yahoo announced its [...]

]]> By: Yahoo’s First Search Gallery Apps Leaves You Searching For The Right Results http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2353095 Yahoo’s First Search Gallery Apps Leaves You Searching For The Right Results Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:13:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2353095 [...] newly opened Search Gallery. I really do. Opening up its search engine to outside developers is an idea worth applauding (although it could still do more). That’s why I was excited when Yahoo announced its [...] [...] newly opened Search Gallery. I really do. Opening up its search engine to outside developers is an idea worth applauding (although it could still do more). That’s why I was excited when Yahoo announced its [...]

]]> By: Yahoo SearchMonkey Launches Into Private Beta http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2221453 Yahoo SearchMonkey Launches Into Private Beta Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:42:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2221453 [...] Yahoo is letting a limited number of beta testers into its SearchMonkey developer platform, a service announced in February that allows site owners to customize their Yahoo search result listings. (Although it does not allow them to change the ranking of results—which would be really radical). [...] [...] Yahoo is letting a limited number of beta testers into its SearchMonkey developer platform, a service announced in February that allows site owners to customize their Yahoo search result listings. (Although it does not allow them to change the ranking of results—which would be really radical). [...]

]]> By: 博客和新闻业的碰撞 | 精品博客 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2067344 博客和新闻业的碰撞 | 精品博客 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:32:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2067344 [...] 我们在TechCrunch做的其实是很简单的。我们报道一些网络创业企业以及想复制或者学习它们的比较大的技术类企业。我可以实况记录Amazon Kindle的启动，可以就Goolge的互联网的言论自由进行辩论，可以就雅虎主动提供的服务提供建议，或者写一些关于新热门创业企业的文章。 [...] [...] 我们在TechCrunch做的其实是很简单的。我们报道一些网络创业企业以及想复制或者学习它们的比较大的技术类企业。我可以实况记录Amazon Kindle的启动，可以就Goolge的互联网的言论自由进行辩论，可以就雅虎主动提供的服务提供建议，或者写一些关于新热门创业企业的文章。 [...]

]]> By: www.teletubis.info » Blog Archive » Six Months In, And 600 Posts Later . . . The Worlds Of Blogging and Journalism Collide (In My Brain) http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2064780 www.teletubis.info » Blog Archive » Six Months In, And 600 Posts Later . . . The Worlds Of Blogging and Journalism Collide (In My Brain) Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:23:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2064780 [...] Kindle, arguing about free speech in the Internet age, uncovering secret projects at Google, giving Yahoo unsolicited acquisition advice, or writing about a hot new [...] [...] Kindle, arguing about free speech in the Internet age, uncovering secret projects at Google, giving Yahoo unsolicited acquisition advice, or writing about a hot new [...]

]]> By: Yahoo To Join OpenSocial in April, Microsoft Groans. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2034692 Yahoo To Join OpenSocial in April, Microsoft Groans. Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:52:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2034692 [...] to open itself up more to third-party developers. (As I’ve noted before, it can always do better on the openness front). There is already a lot of support for OpenSocial, from MySpace to Bebo to Hi5. If developers are [...] [...] to open itself up more to third-party developers. (As I’ve noted before, it can always do better on the openness front). There is already a lot of support for OpenSocial, from MySpace to Bebo to Hi5. If developers are [...]

]]> By: Clydicus http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2014765 Clydicus Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:21:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-2014765 For all this talk about "open search" I am surprised that nowhere in the article or in the comments has anyone raised the issue of SEO. Companies spend billions of dollars on Search Engine Optimization trying to improve their search rankings. SEO ultimately amounts to trying to understand how search algorithm works so you can exploit it to your website's advantage. If the algo were public, wouldn't that just make it easier for site managers to game the system? I don't understand how "open search" wouldn't result in handing over search result ranking to whatever companies can afford the best SEO consultants. For all this talk about “open search” I am surprised that nowhere in the article or in the comments has anyone raised the issue of SEO.

Companies spend billions of dollars on Search Engine Optimization trying to improve their search rankings. SEO ultimately amounts to trying to understand how search algorithm works so you can exploit it to your website’s advantage.

If the algo were public, wouldn’t that just make it easier for site managers to game the system?

I don’t understand how “open search” wouldn’t result in handing over search result ranking to whatever companies can afford the best SEO consultants.

]]> By: Hijacking Search: Surf Canyon and ManagedQ Rethink The Search Experience http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1999264 Hijacking Search: Surf Canyon and ManagedQ Rethink The Search Experience Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:31:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1999264 [...] essentially allows you to re-order search results on Google, Yahoo, or Windows Live Search. (Google doesn’t like it when other Websites re-order its search rankings, but Surf Canyon doesn’t rely on [...] [...] essentially allows you to re-order search results on Google, Yahoo, or Windows Live Search. (Google doesn’t like it when other Websites re-order its search rankings, but Surf Canyon doesn’t rely on [...]

]]> By: Bruce Lewin http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1993028 Bruce Lewin Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:10:09 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1993028 Brilliant Brilliant

]]> By: Ramesh http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1984776 Ramesh Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:11:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1984776 No way microsoft is gonna open up anything. Good read. No way microsoft is gonna open up anything. Good read.

]]> By: Ree Tanjuatco http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1983019 Ree Tanjuatco Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:25:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1983019 Erik allowing api users to reshuffle search results is CHEATING Erik allowing api users to reshuffle search results is CHEATING

]]> By: PixelHead http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1982119 PixelHead Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:48:42 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1982119 That is brilliant. I love your way of thinking...maybe they will go for the long shot. Open source does seem to be the wave of the future doesn't it. How about a Yahoo/Facebook partnership. That is brilliant. I love your way of thinking…maybe they will go for the long shot. Open source does seem to be the wave of the future doesn’t it. How about a Yahoo/Facebook partnership.

]]> By: Keith Watanabe.net 2.0 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981978 Keith Watanabe.net 2.0 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:40:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981978 <strong>The Psychology Behind Why M$ is Making Their Move...</strong> I found your entry interesting do I've added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)... The Psychology Behind Why M$ is Making Their Move…

I found your entry interesting do I’ve added a Trackback to it on my weblog :)…

]]> By: nik http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981859 nik Sat, 09 Feb 2008 15:05:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981859 Erick, I am surprised that you hadn't mentioned Alexa's platform which was launched 2 yrs ago. Only 1 other commentator picked this up. You should read the techmeme citations when Alexa launched starting with Battelle, gigaom and TC itself. Jeff Clavier's post (repeat after me, the index is a commodity) is also a good read. All of these posts (include mike arrington) made EXACTLY the same arguments that you did and yet Alexa has not moved the needle. Why? Not sure, I don't know the answer and am quite baffled since we are making a small bet on Alexa and think Open Search indexes have merit. But the question and probably a worthy post in itself is to understand why Alexa's initiative didn't take off. Nik Erick,

I am surprised that you hadn’t mentioned Alexa’s platform which was launched 2 yrs ago. Only 1 other commentator picked this up.

You should read the techmeme citations when Alexa launched starting with Battelle, gigaom and TC itself. Jeff Clavier’s post (repeat after me, the index is a commodity) is also a good read.

All of these posts (include mike arrington) made EXACTLY the same arguments that you did and yet Alexa has not moved the needle.

Why?

Not sure, I don’t know the answer and am quite baffled since we are making a small bet on Alexa and think Open Search indexes have merit.

But the question and probably a worthy post in itself is to understand why Alexa’s initiative didn’t take off.

Nik

]]> By: gregory http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981847 gregory Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:45:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981847 this is the other fabulous article on the situation http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/feb2008/tc2008027_990635.htm this is the other fabulous article on the situation

http://www.businessweek.com/te.....990635.htm

]]> By: Brian http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981841 Brian Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:39:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981841 I echo the comments above: Great post Erick! This is by far the most thought provoking analysis of all the recent merger talk. Much better than the billion of repeat articles that we have seen over and over. This post will be included in the article on some writer on the CNN business pages on Monday. They seem to get all of their news from Techcrunch just a few days late. I echo the comments above: Great post Erick! This is by far the most thought provoking analysis of all the recent merger talk. Much better than the billion of repeat articles that we have seen over and over.

This post will be included in the article on some writer on the CNN business pages on Monday. They seem to get all of their news from Techcrunch just a few days late.

]]> By: CanCar http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981818 CanCar Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:40:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981818 Combining Yahoo’s and Microsoft’s existing search efforts won’t do much to reverse that trend. After all, two dogs don’t make a right. But there is a long shot Yahoo can try that could just turn things around. Combining Yahoo’s and Microsoft’s existing search efforts won’t do much to reverse that trend. After all, two dogs don’t make a right. But there is a long shot Yahoo can try that could just turn things around.

]]> By: Andrew Vorobyov http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981767 Andrew Vorobyov Sat, 09 Feb 2008 11:25:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981767 Very nice idea by Erick... but Microsoft will not invest in this 44B. Very nice idea by Erick… but Microsoft will not invest in this 44B.

]]> By: Anders Fredriksson http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981745 Anders Fredriksson Sat, 09 Feb 2008 10:35:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981745 I just wanted to say thanks Eric! What a great post! I havn't read the other comments, but I definitely think this is THE strategy that would make a difference in this deal. Thanks again! I just wanted to say thanks Eric! What a great post! I havn’t read the other comments, but I definitely think this is THE strategy that would make a difference in this deal.

Thanks again!

]]> By: Kirill Bolgarov http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981726 Kirill Bolgarov Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:46:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981726 Absolutely gorgeous article Erick! Thanks! Sometimes with all the rumor speculations and other infonoise we dont have time to sit down and actually analyze... you did! that's cool :) the idea itself is so great that it makes me think - maybe you already know something that we dont know :) because if I were yahoo I would certainly do as you suggest, after joining MS to get my ass covered... that would indeed be a good option for both companies - MS needs to change its negative image and now's the time - both apple and google are getiing so me negative feedback for being so closed whilу talking of opennes... Absolutely gorgeous article Erick! Thanks!
Sometimes with all the rumor speculations and other infonoise we dont have time to sit down and actually analyze… you did! that’s cool :)
the idea itself is so great that it makes me think - maybe you already know something that we dont know :) because if I were yahoo I would certainly do as you suggest, after joining MS to get my ass covered… that would indeed be a good option for both companies - MS needs to change its negative image and now’s the time - both apple and google are getiing so me negative feedback for being so closed whilу talking of opennes…

]]> By: chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981721 chris Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:39:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981721 Microsoft has been relying on Yahoo! for benchmarking tests on SQL Server. I can't help but think that MS is trying to buy out Yahoo! to use as a platform to showcase and move .NET 3.5 and SQL Server 2008 forward. Microsoft has been relying on Yahoo! for benchmarking tests on SQL Server. I can’t help but think that MS is trying to buy out Yahoo! to use as a platform to showcase and move .NET 3.5 and SQL Server 2008 forward.

]]> By: ben http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981697 ben Sat, 09 Feb 2008 08:55:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/08/a-radical-option-for-yahoo-out-open-google/#comment-1981697 @64 My thought exactly. This isn't a new concept. I'm sure that all 3 have thought of doing this and passed. (probably before jimmy wales bashed google on it). @64

My thought exactly. This isn’t a new concept. I’m sure that all 3 have thought of doing this and passed. (probably before jimmy wales bashed google on it).

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