Comments on: Heroku Lifts Ruby on Rails Development into the Cloud http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/ Startup and Tech News Sat, 17 May 2008 05:44:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Terbaik.Net » Blog Archive » Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2287262 Terbaik.Net » Blog Archive » Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million Sat, 10 May 2008 15:01:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2287262 [...] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel [...] […] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel […]

]]> By: Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million | DougsTech.com - Tech News, Reviews, and Guides http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2284172 Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million | DougsTech.com - Tech News, Reviews, and Guides Fri, 09 May 2008 00:48:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2284172 [...] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel [...] […] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel […]

]]> By: Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million « Tecno Week http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2283750 Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million « Tecno Week Thu, 08 May 2008 18:27:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2283750 [...] Gets $3 Million from TechCrunch: Heroku, the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel [...] […] Gets $3 Million from TechCrunch: Heroku, the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel […]

]]> By: Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2283703 Ruby on Rails Startup Heroku Gets $3 Million Thu, 08 May 2008 18:00:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2283703 [...] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel [...] […] the online Ruby on Rails (RoR) development and hosting environment, has raised $3 million from Redpoint Ventures and other angel […]

]]> By: Sudarshan http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2002036 Sudarshan Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:50:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-2002036 Just Amazing!!! Now my only hope is that someone does the same for Django. I like Rails. But Ruby's funny syntax takes longer for the guys around me to pick up. The hype helps though! And I guess the cryptic looking wizardry of ruby is probably an unnecessary distraction. I hate the tabs of python too (why does everything I like have to have at least a few quirks to annoy me). And the Rails guys like Magic while the Django guys adore transparency. But hey, these guys rock. THEY HAVE MADE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT n DEPLOYMENT ON RAILS AS EASY AS BLOGGING OR PHOTO SHARING!!! Just Amazing!!! Now my only hope is that someone does the same for Django. I like Rails. But Ruby’s funny syntax takes longer for the guys around me to pick up. The hype helps though! And I guess the cryptic looking wizardry of ruby is probably an unnecessary distraction. I hate the tabs of python too (why does everything I like have to have at least a few quirks to annoy me). And the Rails guys like Magic while the Django guys adore transparency.

But hey, these guys rock.

THEY HAVE MADE WEB APPLICATION DEVELOPMENT n DEPLOYMENT ON RAILS AS EASY AS BLOGGING OR PHOTO SHARING!!!

]]> By: Julian Cox http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1983259 Julian Cox Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:20:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1983259 I’ve been using Heroku for some time now - I really hope Heroku fail This is why I like it * Zero Setup. Why muck around when you really want to get stuck into coding * You don’t need to remember to restart for config changes - it does it automatically (how many times have I forgotten to do that and wondered why my changes aren't working) * You don’t need to remember to migrate (did I mention I'm a bit forgetful on that front) * I can get to my app from any machine - saves having to carry the laptop home * You can have more than one person working on the app at once, see changes in real time without any special set up. * I don’t have to leave the browser at all - none of this browser/textmate/MySQL Query Browser switching. There'll always be a place for doings things locally and deploying yourself with your own special setup but its great to have alternatives. Good luck to Adam, James and Orion. I'm a fan. I’ve been using Heroku for some time now - I really hope Heroku fail

This is why I like it
* Zero Setup. Why muck around when you really want to get stuck into coding
* You don’t need to remember to restart for config changes - it does it automatically (how many times have I forgotten to do that and wondered why my changes aren’t working)
* You don’t need to remember to migrate (did I mention I’m a bit forgetful on that front)
* I can get to my app from any machine - saves having to carry the laptop home
* You can have more than one person working on the app at once, see changes in real time without any special set up.
* I don’t have to leave the browser at all - none of this browser/textmate/MySQL Query Browser switching.

There’ll always be a place for doings things locally and deploying yourself with your own special setup but its great to have alternatives.

Good luck to Adam, James and Orion. I’m a fan.

]]> By: Shrikant http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1983156 Shrikant Mon, 11 Feb 2008 05:16:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1983156 Heroko is for Windows and linux base ? it is wokring for both OS? Shrikant Heroko is for Windows and linux base ? it is wokring for both OS?

Shrikant

]]> By: Jed http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1982692 Jed Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:10:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1982692 As a hobbyist RoR developer, this is absolutely wonderful news. I'm hoping to develop some apps into potential $-makers, but don't want to pay the cash to have a proper developer set things up for me. This is fantastic, and will allow me to try the app out with potential customers before I decide to sink serious $ into finishing development. Overall, GREAT news. As a hobbyist RoR developer, this is absolutely wonderful news. I’m hoping to develop some apps into potential $-makers, but don’t want to pay the cash to have a proper developer set things up for me. This is fantastic, and will allow me to try the app out with potential customers before I decide to sink serious $ into finishing development.

Overall, GREAT news.

]]> By: Mike http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1982244 Mike Sun, 10 Feb 2008 01:11:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1982244 I have launched three Rails apps so far, and I have to say--it is a pain! Apache has random FCGI error problems, Apache by default kills the processes if inactive over so many minutes, Mongrel is often required, thus requiring a virtual or dedicated server in 99% of cases, which in my experience starts at $70/mo for something reliable for even the most modest of sites. Heroku sounds like a godsend. Let's be honest. Rails deployment sucks. PS: I love how everyone says you don't need a virtual/dedicated server. You don't, but the second you have a problem or it is running slow, go into #rubyonrails and ask. You will get five people telling you, "Just buy a virtual server." I have launched three Rails apps so far, and I have to say–it is a pain! Apache has random FCGI error problems, Apache by default kills the processes if inactive over so many minutes, Mongrel is often required, thus requiring a virtual or dedicated server in 99% of cases, which in my experience starts at $70/mo for something reliable for even the most modest of sites. Heroku sounds like a godsend.

Let’s be honest. Rails deployment sucks.

PS: I love how everyone says you don’t need a virtual/dedicated server. You don’t, but the second you have a problem or it is running slow, go into #rubyonrails and ask. You will get five people telling you, “Just buy a virtual server.”

]]> By: Adam http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981959 Adam Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:07:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981959 Anyone know of a .NET "Heroku"? Anyone know of a .NET “Heroku”?

]]> By: Charles Severance http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981825 Charles Severance Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:55:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981825 This looks pretty cool. A couple of comments. Rails is pretty easy to install to develop and play. Making it work on an ISP is a little dicey - but getting better. This looks pretty awsome actually. Particularly if it means that scaling issues and backup issues are not my problem (except for money). I would think that the greatest weakness would be the lack of real version control that I can separately work with. I don't want yo do all my development in a web browser - sure it has a slick interface but sometimes you just get a hankering to put it on a USB stick or use the tar command or recursive diff. This looks pretty cool. A couple of comments. Rails is pretty easy to install to develop and play. Making it work on an ISP is a little dicey - but getting better. This looks pretty awsome actually. Particularly if it means that scaling issues and backup issues are not my problem (except for money). I would think that the greatest weakness would be the lack of real version control that I can separately work with. I don’t want yo do all my development in a web browser - sure it has a slick interface but sometimes you just get a hankering to put it on a USB stick or use the tar command or recursive diff.

]]> By: tim http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981202 tim Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:04:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981202 "Not even close to as easy as PHP. Not everyone writing a Rails app has the time (or even the desire) to learn mongrel, capistrano, apache (mod_proxy_balancer), nginx, pound, pen, or any of the other various setups you can think of. Not to mention taking the time to set this all up." Jamie, I'm a Rails developer by day, and I've never had to learn any of these, and I haven't even heard of some of them. I'm not sure what you're saying here, but it's not an argument against Rails or for PHP. You can put PHP behind apache or nginx, too. That said, I'm not going to say "Heroku = fail" yet, because moving something from 2 steps (rails foo && foo/script/server) to 1 step might just be enough to bring more people on board. I am skeptical, though. Hosting isn't trivial, but any solution that starts out "OK, give up your editor and terminal and version control and offline editing" seems pretty fishy for anything beyond the 15-minute blog demo. “Not even close to as easy as PHP. Not everyone writing a Rails app has the time (or even the desire) to learn mongrel, capistrano, apache (mod_proxy_balancer), nginx, pound, pen, or any of the other various setups you can think of. Not to mention taking the time to set this all up.”

Jamie, I’m a Rails developer by day, and I’ve never had to learn any of these, and I haven’t even heard of some of them. I’m not sure what you’re saying here, but it’s not an argument against Rails or for PHP. You can put PHP behind apache or nginx, too.

That said, I’m not going to say “Heroku = fail” yet, because moving something from 2 steps (rails foo && foo/script/server) to 1 step might just be enough to bring more people on board. I am skeptical, though. Hosting isn’t trivial, but any solution that starts out “OK, give up your editor and terminal and version control and offline editing” seems pretty fishy for anything beyond the 15-minute blog demo.

]]> By: Tony Topper http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981130 Tony Topper Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:45:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981130 Mosso, cloud environment I believe, is pretty easy to use Rails on. No shell access but I just develop on my local box and use my IDE's ftp functionality to upload. Super easy, but I've always preferred working locally. Although I'm still deciding between RoR and going back to PHP via the Zend_Framework. Zend_Framework looks smooth. Ruby language wise seems to have some powerful stuff you just don't have in PHP though. This is my conundrum. Mosso, cloud environment I believe, is pretty easy to use Rails on. No shell access but I just develop on my local box and use my IDE’s ftp functionality to upload. Super easy, but I’ve always preferred working locally.

Although I’m still deciding between RoR and going back to PHP via the Zend_Framework. Zend_Framework looks smooth. Ruby language wise seems to have some powerful stuff you just don’t have in PHP though. This is my conundrum.

]]> By: Brian http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981009 Brian Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:36:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1981009 For large and/or complex apps, a VPS, Solaris Zones or something like Heroku makes sense. For the rest, there's some interesting projects going on to make Rails as easy as PHP to deploy. Check out SwitchPipe as an example: http://switchpipe.org/ BTW, try deploying a large PHP app sometime. Rails' framework and tool stack doesn't look so bad... For large and/or complex apps, a VPS, Solaris Zones or something like Heroku makes sense. For the rest, there’s some interesting projects going on to make Rails as easy as PHP to deploy. Check out SwitchPipe as an example:

http://switchpipe.org/

BTW, try deploying a large PHP app sometime. Rails’ framework and tool stack doesn’t look so bad…

]]> By: Peter Cooper http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980801 Peter Cooper Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:56:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980801 @AnonTroll: We've discussed the mod_ruby issue to death in the community already so <a href="http://www.rubyinside.com/no-true-mod_ruby-is-damaging-rubys-viability-on-the-web-693.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> should fill you in on all of the viewpoints and reasons. Secondly, I've semi-solved the deployment issues regarding caretaking Mongrels and all that nonsense. It's called <a href="http://switchpipe.org/" rel="nofollow">SwitchPipe.</a> It's one app. It works, it monitors, it maintains, and you don't have to get involved with port numbers, clusters, or any such nonsense. @AnonTroll: We’ve discussed the mod_ruby issue to death in the community already so this should fill you in on all of the viewpoints and reasons.

Secondly, I’ve semi-solved the deployment issues regarding caretaking Mongrels and all that nonsense. It’s called SwitchPipe. It’s one app. It works, it monitors, it maintains, and you don’t have to get involved with port numbers, clusters, or any such nonsense.

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980664 Joe Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:34:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980664 I agree with #29. They're trying to solve a one-time "problem" (initial deployment setup which isn't even a problem) for a monthly recurring charge! I know I won't use their service. I agree with #29. They’re trying to solve a one-time “problem” (initial deployment setup which isn’t even a problem) for a monthly recurring charge! I know I won’t use their service.

]]> By: Fail http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980529 Fail Fri, 08 Feb 2008 07:31:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980529 Anyone who thinks Rails is difficult to configure doesn't know what they are talking about. Heroku = Fail. Anyone who thinks Rails is difficult to configure doesn’t know what they are talking about.

Heroku = Fail.

]]> By: Bob Ngu http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980275 Bob Ngu Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:04:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980275 I developed and deployed (using Cap) my site in Ruby on Rails along with Apache, Mongrel, and MySQL. Once it is setup though, subsequent deployments are easy. While it wasn't trivial, it wasn't that difficult either. My question for Heroku is how they scale the database? This is a big problem with Amazon Web Service until as of late when they introduced SimpleDB which is still in private beta currently. I developed and deployed (using Cap) my site in Ruby on Rails along with Apache, Mongrel, and MySQL. Once it is setup though, subsequent deployments are easy. While it wasn’t trivial, it wasn’t that difficult either.

My question for Heroku is how they scale the database? This is a big problem with Amazon Web Service until as of late when they introduced SimpleDB which is still in private beta currently.

]]> By: Vasili http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980233 Vasili Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:09:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980233 Looks cool. Yet another way for a starving developer to spend their last buck in pursuit of the great internet dream. Looks cool. Yet another way for a starving developer to spend their last buck in pursuit of the great internet dream.

]]> By: Mark Hendrickson http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980170 Mark Hendrickson Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:57:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980170 @mathew - you found me =) @mathew - you found me =)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980167 Anonymous Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:56:59 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980167 You don't need mod_ruby for apache. You can use it as a proxy for mongrel the same way as you do with nginx/pound. You don’t need mod_ruby for apache. You can use it as a proxy for mongrel the same way as you do with nginx/pound.

]]> By: Fabian Schonholz http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980154 Fabian Schonholz Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:49:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980154 I think that RoR has great potential. Not so sure it is ready for massive scalability even in a cloud environment. But I can be wrong. Time will tell. I think that RoR has great potential. Not so sure it is ready for massive scalability even in a cloud environment. But I can be wrong. Time will tell.

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980123 Joe Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:17:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980123 btw, a lot of VPS's start at $20/month and you can put 5 (medium traffic) rails app on it. btw, a lot of VPS’s start at $20/month and you can put 5 (medium traffic) rails app on it.

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980107 Joe Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:03:27 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980107 #5 - no mod_ruby because most rails app(the good ones anyway) don't use apache. They use servers like nginx, and pound. If scaling, which heroku is trying to solve, is a requirement for you, then your app probably is pretty important and means a lot to you. If that's the case and you can't even deploy your app, then you've got more problems. If you really want to use amazon services, go ahead and use them. Why pay a middle man to do it when performance is a big concern of yours. #5 - no mod_ruby because most rails app(the good ones anyway) don’t use apache. They use servers like nginx, and pound.

If scaling, which heroku is trying to solve, is a requirement for you, then your app probably is pretty important and means a lot to you. If that’s the case and you can’t even deploy your app, then you’ve got more problems.

If you really want to use amazon services, go ahead and use them. Why pay a middle man to do it when performance is a big concern of yours.

]]> By: mathew http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980067 mathew Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:23:33 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/02/07/heroku-lifts-ruby-on-rails-development-to-the-cloud/#comment-1980067 "Relative to other programming languages, Ruby and the Rails framework can be particularly onerous just to install and configure." Spot the person who's never tried to run a Java web application (J2EE). “Relative to other programming languages, Ruby and the Rails framework can be particularly onerous just to install and configure.”

Spot the person who’s never tried to run a Java web application (J2EE).

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