Comments on: Google, Facebook Battle For Computer Science Grads. Salaries Soar. http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/ Startup and Tech News Fri, 16 May 2008 08:17:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Zane » Download Suicide and a Hair Cut http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2284873 Zane » Download Suicide and a Hair Cut Fri, 09 May 2008 12:11:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2284873 [...] Google/Facebook Battle:http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/… [...] […] Google/Facebook Battle:http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/… […]

]]> By: Facebook Entry-Level Jobs | One Day, One Job http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2230013 Facebook Entry-Level Jobs | One Day, One Job Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:05:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2230013 [...] If you’re looking to get really rich by being part of a startup, it’s probably too late with Facebook; however, if you want a fun work environment with cool offices and a leadership team made up of 20-somethings, then it really doesn’t get any better than Facebook. We’re pretty sure that Facebook doesn’t need our help getting your attention, but we think getting a job at Facebook will give you the chance to be part of something special while it’s still in its early stages. Beyond the excitement of working at a place like Facebook, the pay should also be excellent, considering this TechCrunch post on the bidding wars between Google and Facebook for new Computer Science grads. [...] […] If you’re looking to get really rich by being part of a startup, it’s probably too late with Facebook; however, if you want a fun work environment with cool offices and a leadership team made up of 20-somethings, then it really doesn’t get any better than Facebook. We’re pretty sure that Facebook doesn’t need our help getting your attention, but we think getting a job at Facebook will give you the chance to be part of something special while it’s still in its early stages. Beyond the excitement of working at a place like Facebook, the pay should also be excellent, considering this TechCrunch post on the bidding wars between Google and Facebook for new Computer Science grads. […]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2022912 Anonymous Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:54:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2022912 <strong>free car quote...</strong> Excellent post. Keep it up!... free car quote…

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]]> By: Links of the Week Feb 1st, 2008 | .eduGuru http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2005801 Links of the Week Feb 1st, 2008 | .eduGuru Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:31:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2005801 [...] Google, Facebook Battle For Computer Science Grads. Salaries Soar. - Good jobs are on the horizon for Computer Science graduates! [...] […] Google, Facebook Battle For Computer Science Grads. Salaries Soar. - Good jobs are on the horizon for Computer Science graduates! […]

]]> By: East Coast Student http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2004653 East Coast Student Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:24:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-2004653 Poster 133: I'd totally agree with you where public school on west coast are great. But I don't see how you can say that any company can prefer one coast over the other. East coast has MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Princeton... Does anyone have an recommendations/comments/suggestions on the following schools CS Undergrad programs? - NYU - Columbia - Florida Tech Poster 133:
I’d totally agree with you where public school on west coast are great. But I don’t see how you can say that any company can prefer one coast over the other. East coast has MIT, Carnegie Mellon, Cornell, Princeton…

Does anyone have an recommendations/comments/suggestions on the following schools CS Undergrad programs?
- NYU
- Columbia
- Florida Tech

]]> By: John http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1993019 John Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:06:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1993019 Come on boys and girls, Stanford CS grads command top dollar, that's the bottom line. Just look at how many startups have stanford ties not to mention stanford is one of the tops schools in nation we really talking like the top 1-3% of grads here for cs. Just some recent offers last week. Facebook 70k 12k restricted units Apple 82K 10Ksign on no options=) Oracle 87K 6K sign on 3k options Come on boys and girls, Stanford CS grads command top dollar, that’s the bottom line. Just look at how many startups have stanford ties not to mention stanford is one of the tops schools in nation we really talking like the top 1-3% of grads here for cs. Just some recent offers last week.

Facebook 70k 12k restricted units
Apple 82K 10Ksign on no options=)
Oracle 87K 6K sign on 3k options

]]> By: Stanny Grad Student http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1982084 Stanny Grad Student Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:12:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1982084 Hmm... Before I started my current classes at Stanford in the Engineering department, I had been making $125K base with 20% bonus to do software consulting. That's $150K right there, before considering stock programs that have added more than 10K a year. And actually, my first tech job that I entered with no relevant degree and no professional experience paid me $85K, which I quickly surpassed. So I'm not surprised at all that people graduating would be getting in the high 90s. If they're strategic, they should be able to hit six figures pretty quickly. It's all about picking a job for which there is demand and a job that is critical to a company. They won't pay you a lot to build a smoother system for marketing to manage their press releases, but if you can get in the true value chain for a company to increase revenues or valuation by millions of dollars, then they'll pay you. Hmm… Before I started my current classes at Stanford in the Engineering department, I had been making $125K base with 20% bonus to do software consulting. That’s $150K right there, before considering stock programs that have added more than 10K a year.

And actually, my first tech job that I entered with no relevant degree and no professional experience paid me $85K, which I quickly surpassed.

So I’m not surprised at all that people graduating would be getting in the high 90s. If they’re strategic, they should be able to hit six figures pretty quickly. It’s all about picking a job for which there is demand and a job that is critical to a company. They won’t pay you a lot to build a smoother system for marketing to manage their press releases, but if you can get in the true value chain for a company to increase revenues or valuation by millions of dollars, then they’ll pay you.

]]> By: Yet Another Stanford Grad http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980601 Yet Another Stanford Grad Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:06:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980601 "I am going to Rensellear out on the east coast and majoring in computer science. Is there a possibility I can get a job at google or any of the above mentioned companies?" You'd be better off going to a west coast university. Google is known to have a thing for west coast grads even if they are not from a top-20 school. And not just California universities...U of Washington, Washington State U, U or Oregon, Oregon State U, and U of Arizona, Arizona State U all have good reputations. The west coast is a bit different from the east coast. In the east most of the good schools are private. On the west coast along with great private schools like Stanford most of your good schools are state schools. (And I don't mean to overlook the UC system....just trying to give everyone else their props.) “I am going to Rensellear out on the east coast and majoring in computer science. Is there a possibility I can get a job at google or any of the above mentioned companies?”

You’d be better off going to a west coast university. Google is known to have a thing for west coast grads even if they are not from a top-20 school. And not just California universities…U of Washington, Washington State U, U or Oregon, Oregon State U, and U of Arizona, Arizona State U all have good reputations.

The west coast is a bit different from the east coast. In the east most of the good schools are private. On the west coast along with great private schools like Stanford most of your good schools are state schools. (And I don’t mean to overlook the UC system….just trying to give everyone else their props.)

]]> By: Lord Xenu http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980584 Lord Xenu Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:46:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980584 "@Wharton: You are not making an equal comparison. Think about hours and environment. The hardest working CS students will likely work 50 hour weeks in light stress environments where they can wear sweatpants to work and play billiards in the office. At your job you’ll be working 90 hours per week and will probably have your first heart attack by the time you’re 40." I take it you have NEVER worked in tech before? Get ready, you are going to just looooove it :-) boo-ahh ha ha ha... “@Wharton: You are not making an equal comparison. Think about hours and environment. The hardest working CS students will likely work 50 hour weeks in light stress environments where they can wear sweatpants to work and play billiards in the office. At your job you’ll be working 90 hours per week and will probably have your first heart attack by the time you’re 40.”

I take it you have NEVER worked in tech before? Get ready, you are going to just looooove it :-) boo-ahh ha ha ha…

]]> By: Dean http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980571 Dean Fri, 08 Feb 2008 08:35:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1980571 "Google and Facebook are sucking the oxygen out of the air, making it extremely difficult for many small startups to find the kind of engineers they need to develop their businesses." You do realize that many companies have offices outside of the SV? I live in the Pacific NW in a city that has offices for Apple, Oracle, Intel, Yahoo, Google (a few miles out of town). I used to work in the SV and I can guarantee you that you can find smart people outside of there. “Google and Facebook are sucking the oxygen out of the air, making it extremely difficult for many small startups to find the kind of engineers they need to develop their businesses.”

You do realize that many companies have offices outside of the SV? I live in the Pacific NW in a city that has offices for Apple, Oracle, Intel, Yahoo, Google (a few miles out of town).

I used to work in the SV and I can guarantee you that you can find smart people outside of there.

]]> By: chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1978911 chris Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:38:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1978911 Wharton student- you're stupid. Kids from Stanford also get those ridiculous finance numbers when they work at INVESTMENT BANKS and PE shops. The DIFFERENCE is that they work 9-5, and investment wankers are working 90 hours a week. Wharton kids are just finance monkeys who will be replaced by software in the next 10 years. Software written by Stanford kids. Wharton student- you’re stupid. Kids from Stanford also get those ridiculous finance numbers when they work at INVESTMENT BANKS and PE shops. The DIFFERENCE is that they work 9-5, and investment wankers are working 90 hours a week.

Wharton kids are just finance monkeys who will be replaced by software in the next 10 years. Software written by Stanford kids.

]]> By: anon http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1977554 anon Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:59:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1977554 Wow, I just woke up from this dream where these kids were talking about $100K+ job offers right out of college! Oh well, back to reality and my lowly $45k job. Life is not a race to the finish line, its about constancy... Wow, I just woke up from this dream where these kids were talking about $100K+ job offers right out of college! Oh well, back to reality and my lowly $45k job. Life is not a race to the finish line, its about constancy…

]]> By: Ph_D student http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1974594 Ph_D student Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:29:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1974594 Hi does anyone know what are the chances of finding developer job in USA after Ph.D. in UCI for non-american resident ? (Don't have experience, but have won some competitions like MS Imagine Cup - up to the world final) Hi does anyone know what are the chances of finding developer job in USA after Ph.D. in UCI for non-american resident ? (Don’t have experience, but have won some competitions like MS Imagine Cup - up to the world final)

]]> By: Smee http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1964926 Smee Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:59:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1964926 Does anybody know starting salaries for Google etc. in Europe? I'd be particularly interested in Google's APM programme... Does anybody know starting salaries for Google etc. in Europe? I’d be particularly interested in Google’s APM programme…

]]> By: someseniorengineer http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1964777 someseniorengineer Sun, 03 Feb 2008 08:07:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1964777 I am a senior software engineer with 10 years of experience but no degree. I only make $115,000. I have created a number of open source projects. Do you guys think I'm getting ripped off? I really really really want to work at google. Do you think they'd pay me a lot more? Seems like a great time to get in now that the stock is back down to $500 and the online ad market is predicted to DOUBLE in the next three years. I am a senior software engineer with 10 years of experience but no degree. I only make $115,000. I have created a number of open source projects. Do you guys think I’m getting ripped off? I really really really want to work at google. Do you think they’d pay me a lot more? Seems like a great time to get in now that the stock is back down to $500 and the online ad market is predicted to DOUBLE in the next three years.

]]> By: aflossingsvrije hypotheek http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1962573 aflossingsvrije hypotheek Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:48:07 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1962573 Damn this is sooo insane, ppl who are just starting only get in amerika this kind of salaries. In other countries they have to start at the bottom with like 50k. Nice evolution btw ;) Damn this is sooo insane, ppl who are just starting only get in amerika this kind of salaries. In other countries they have to start at the bottom with like 50k. Nice evolution btw ;)

]]> By: ZIGGY ZIGALO http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1962461 ZIGGY ZIGALO Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:00:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1962461 I am going to Rensellear out on the east coast and majoring in computer science. Is there a possibility I can get a job at google or any of the above mentioned companies? I am going to Rensellear out on the east coast and majoring in computer science. Is there a possibility I can get a job at google or any of the above mentioned companies?

]]> By: Boris Epstein http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960614 Boris Epstein Sat, 02 Feb 2008 05:35:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960614 Bill Gates once famously said that 1 great programmer is worth more than 1000 good ones. Based on that logic, the 10-20k that google, facebook and any other top companies pay as a premium is well worth the investment. Boris - Software Headhunter www.bincsearch.com blog.bincsearch.com Bill Gates once famously said that 1 great programmer is worth more than 1000 good ones. Based on that logic, the 10-20k that google, facebook and any other top companies pay as a premium is well worth the investment.

Boris - Software Headhunter
http://www.bincsearch.com
blog.bincsearch.com

]]> By: Cat Chen http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960444 Cat Chen Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:30:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960444 Google also battles against Baidu for CS students here in China. They both offer 150k~200k, in local currency, before taxed. Google also battles against Baidu for CS students here in China. They both offer 150k~200k, in local currency, before taxed.

]]> By: echo “hey, it works” > /dev/null http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960392 echo “hey, it works” > /dev/null Sat, 02 Feb 2008 02:54:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960392 [...] comments like that from Yahoo! employees, and Google and Facebook offering nearly a 100 grand for CS grads, there are going to be some ferocious battles for talent in the next year or [...] […] comments like that from Yahoo! employees, and Google and Facebook offering nearly a 100 grand for CS grads, there are going to be some ferocious battles for talent in the next year or […]

]]> By: Alex Linhares http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960249 Alex Linhares Sat, 02 Feb 2008 01:38:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1960249 And to think I'm applying for a job as a professor of CS in the U of California system, with salaries ranging around 55K... And to think I’m applying for a job as a professor of CS in the U of California system, with salaries ranging around 55K…

]]> By: Anony-Moose http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1959957 Anony-Moose Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:18:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1959957 Well, as a recent graduate (6 months ago) with a bunch of friends in the area I can offer a little insight. My friends who are developers are all at startups and all earning ~75k-80k with stock options that range from 0.2%-0.5% of the company. Google APMs just got a raise recently, so the base (out of undergrad, no work experience) is 95k. I think it's +15k for 1 year of work experience and +15k for a master's. Google software engineers' base for the same experience is a little lower, but pretty close. So yeah, this post is pretty accurate (and I've go the pay stubs and diploma to prove it) Well, as a recent graduate (6 months ago) with a bunch of friends in the area I can offer a little insight.

My friends who are developers are all at startups and all earning ~75k-80k with stock options that range from 0.2%-0.5% of the company.

Google APMs just got a raise recently, so the base (out of undergrad, no work experience) is 95k. I think it’s +15k for 1 year of work experience and +15k for a master’s.

Google software engineers’ base for the same experience is a little lower, but pretty close.

So yeah, this post is pretty accurate (and I’ve go the pay stubs and diploma to prove it)

]]> By: Muhammad Faizan Dosani http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1957093 Muhammad Faizan Dosani Fri, 01 Feb 2008 09:51:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1957093 well shocked to sight such mouth watering offers. according to my observation i think the current era is the peak level of in IT history. this not limited to USA only even in middle east and south asia where a network administrator can only earn 8000 Rs now offering about 35000 in a month ..... 400% increase in salary well shocked to sight such mouth watering offers.
according to my observation i think the current era is the peak level of in IT history. this not limited to USA only even in middle east and south asia where a network administrator can only earn 8000 Rs now offering about 35000 in a month …..
400% increase in salary

]]> By: Darren Monroe http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1956475 Darren Monroe Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:21:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1956475 Hey Great article love Tech Crunch. I learn about a ton of companies, and opportunities within a few emails. I wanted to share with the people claiming that grads aren’t getting 90+ offers for jobs. This is mainly for California. 90+ is not a lot in California. Though a lot for a single graduating student it is not a lot in a state where the average house is 400,000 to 525,000. $90k in that area is only 75k in New York 16% increase. And 46% increase in Chicago. Hey Great article love Tech Crunch. I learn about a ton of companies, and opportunities within a few emails.

I wanted to share with the people claiming that grads aren’t getting 90+ offers for jobs. This is mainly for California. 90+ is not a lot in California. Though a lot for a single graduating student it is not a lot in a state where the average house is 400,000 to 525,000.

$90k in that area is only 75k in New York 16% increase. And 46% increase in Chicago.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1956284 anonymous Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:31:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/30/stanford-computer-science-grads-getting-95k-offers-from-google/#comment-1956284 #111: why do you say that? i am really curious; what companies do you think will stand tall through all of this? what places do you think would make sense to go to, in terms of maximizing potential payoff? i would think a place like slide would go for alot once exit is realized (i have already heard they raised new money on a roughly $500MM valuation) i'm just wondering what the thinking process should be in getting into one of these startups also, how much equity/options would one expect, and how does that process work? #111: why do you say that? i am really curious; what companies do you think will stand tall through all of this? what places do you think would make sense to go to, in terms of maximizing potential payoff? i would think a place like slide would go for alot once exit is realized (i have already heard they raised new money on a roughly $500MM valuation) i’m just wondering what the thinking process should be in getting into one of these startups

also, how much equity/options would one expect, and how does that process work?

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