January 24, 2008

Meg Whitman’s Exit Interview

Erick Schonfeld

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meg-whitman.pngI just got off the phone with Meg Whitman, eBay’s departing CEO, and John Donahoe, her successor. Whitman talks about her biggest successes (going global and buying Paypal) and her biggest mistake (losing Japan), gets a dig in at Skype’s founders, and ruminates about whether Facebook can become a platform for commerce. Donahoe talks about eBay’s renewed focus on fixed-price items, its commitment to distribute listings across the Web, and how he sees those listings as a huge advertising inventory. Here is the interview:


Q: If you had to pick one thing you did over the past decade, what was your best move?

Meg Whitman: I would say that the best move was that Pierre’s idea was a really good idea: using the Web to empower regular people and small businesses to do commerce. For me, the international expansion of eBay was the best idea. We are now in 35 countries, and have a huge global network. The second best one was the acquisition of PayPal—the wallet on eBay.

Q: What was your biggest mistake?

Whitman: I am not one for regrets, but I still regret we don’t have a presence in Japan.

Q: What about buying Skype?

Whitman: We liked Skype and still like Skype as a standalone business—a $400 million, four-year-old. Skype is doing more business as a four-year-old than eBay, Yahoo, or even Google did. We saw potential synergies between Skype and eBay. The next year or so will prove out if we were right. We’ve only had our management team in there for three months. Prior to that we had the founders, who are brave individuals, but were motivated by the earn-out.

Q: If you were starting out at eBay now in 2008 instead of 1998, what would you do differently?

Whitman: Guess what? The world changes. eBay has defined e-commerce. But John recognizes we are going to in many ways reinvent eBay.

John Donahoe: Buyers and sellers have more choices and higher expectations than in 1998, but the guiding principles are the same—the best values, the widest and most abundant selection, and a fun shopping experience. We will make it easier and safer to shop on eBay. The second thing we are going to do is build on this fabulous auctions business that is unique and is the best format for many items.

But we have used an auction approach for fixed price. We are not optimized to get those values in fixed price. Time-ending-soonest makes sense in auctions, but does not surface the best items in fixed price.

Q: eBay, along with Amazon and Yahoo, is now one of the elder statesmen of the Web. Do destination sites matter anymore?

Whitman: My view is that, just as in many businesses, brands really matter. There will always be a role for destination sites. Eighty million users come to our destination. I think that will be the vast majority of our future business.

That said, we must be in distributed commerce in the future, taking listings for auctions and Shoppng.com and distributingthem to other sites. If they ar not going to come to us, we are going to come to them. We are not at all averse to distributed commerce.

Donahoe: In many ways, our buyers will lead us there. We are making it much easier to bring eBay listings to your Facebook page, Myspace page, and shopping listings to various sites. eBay’s unique inventory offers better alternative [than other sources].

Whitman: Here is the interesting thing that I wonder about. You look at the tremendous success of Facebook. To my mind there is not a lot of commerce going on in these social networking sites. eBay is a community anchored in commerce. It is a commerce site that built a community around it. What has not been proven is if the reverse can happen and people will go to community sites to do commerce.

Donahoe: In payments, we are enabling faster checkout and easier payment on thousands of Websites off of eBay. In reputation, we think that reputaion is something we can increasingly outtake.

Whitman: We wonder if there is a way to embed reputation into Paypal. Is there a way to travel across the Web with your Paypal wallet and some other aspect of reputation?

Q: Do you want to get into the advertising game?

Donahoe: You could say we are already in the advertising game with millions of listings a day and expanding that with other advertising on eBay and off. We have our Yahoo and Google partnerships and we will continue to find ways to get our listings out there.

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  1. Amanda

    Really interesting interview. Thank you for posting this Eric. eBay’s lack of presence in Asia is definitely a challenge and opportunity for the company.

  2. Arnold Leung

    I wonder where she is heading to next.

  3. Chris

    “What was your biggest mistake?”

    Having a “Guilty until proven innocent” motto when suspending users. No wonder no one is coming back. Because of their happy suspension spree, a lot of users have abandon using Ebay and found out that investing a year or so in starting their own online store is much more stable than Ebay Powerseller status.

    Oh how about not allowing Google Checkout on Ebay?

    Good Luck Ebay.

  4. Blog e-commerce

    Hi,

    thx for this article,
    & good luck to ebay for next generation !

  5. dale

    They need somebody new in place. They have kind of fallen behide.

  6. sd

    is yahoo down?

  7. Trillian

    It’s Donahoe, not Donahue.

  8. Troy

    What’s up with the poor grammar? Is this a bad transcript, or is this really how she talks?

    “Skype is doing more business as four-year-old than eBay, Yahoo, or even Google did. We saw potential synergies between Skype and eBay. ”

    Also, a friend of mine did some consulting work at eBay HQ last year. She said that the culture there was “loopy” & “kool-aidish” and that mandatory firings were way too frequent. For example, if someone wouldn’t leave work early to attend a corporate event they were warned that eBay would “execute on the contract” (i.e. ship that person out) if they didn’t change their mind.

    This was only one account though and I’d like to hear from others here to see if its true.

  9. Ull

    Does no one actually edit TechCrunch? “the guiding principals are the same” — it’s PRINCIPLES, not principals (look it up if you are not convinced).

  10. Tyler Wright

    Meg rocks. She’ll be speaking at “Women of Power” conferences for the next couple of years, along with Hillary - after she loses in 08 (ha, yes!)

  11. B.Ackles

    A Few Idea’s for eBay:

    1. Paypal is a virtual bank, as such eBay should use it as a backend for smaller banks & especially Credit Unions. I’ve been seeing a growing security breach in smaller banks attempting to move services online.

    2. Do away with listing fee’s and you prevent barriers to emerging startups. If eBay Stores do not have fixed costs, growth will follow…

    3. Sell off Skype! It’s a great company, it’s just not right for eBay. TC has expressed in the past that Google maybe a possibility; I’d explore other options too…

    4. Open up part of your network for development. Only platform technology has true longevity…

    Last of all be true to ALL of the following or fail:
    Be Distruptive
    Be Viral
    Be a Platform (as previosly stated)
    Be a Verb
    Be Open & Collaborate

  12. Erick Schonfeld

    Thanks for catching the typos. And to answer your question: No, nobody edits TechCrunch. Our readers are our copy editors :)

  13. ArticleSlot

    eBay growing fast to be a giant, congratulations!

  14. EH

    Ah ha ha, “do away with listing fees” (no apostrophe). I’m sure that wouldn’t affect the level of fraud and garbage listings at all. It’s a sure ticket to a rewarding user experience! LOL

  15. Frank S.

    For all the typo-critics, the point is CONTENT.
    If your IQ is too small to understand the content, maybe you should take a break and get back to RoR coding. I am so sick of hearing about how great you all for finding simple typos instead of discussing the issues and content at hand. Basically, STFU! Jealousy will get you nowhere.

  16. Mr J

    In the US, eBay will continue to be a giant in shopping, but they will also continue to lose share as the off-line retailers and specialty niche sites do a better job with merchandising and the online shopping experience, and as the great bargains on eBay become harder to find.

    The community angle is 10 years old and eBay hasn’t been a community for a long time. Shopping online is now longer about community and is not novel - it’s about being able to find what you want at a fair price.

  17. Peter Antypas

    a) eBay is all about commerce. It never succeeded in building a “community”

    b) Skype does not belong on Hamilton Blvd.

    c) eBay is too old of a brand for the Facebook generation

  18. Mark Evans

    It’s interesting that Whitman still believes buying Skype was a good move. Too bad, eBay wildly overpaid for the business. As well, it’s too bad that eBay has done little or nothing to really push Skype forward since the deal was consummated.

  19. Mike

    I’ve used ebay to sell a variety of products since it’s inception. To be quite honest over the years I’ve grown more and more tired of them and their policies. They attempt to fleece the sellers at any opportunity and increase their fees yearly without any real need. Frankly I think this is an attempt to push sellers into a monthly fee system for their stores.

    Their latest trick is the paypal merchant account system. Which in and of itself is not a “bad” deal but it’s the way they implement it. Today it’s very easy to use a CMS (content management system) back end and create a website with shopping cart features. You could literally have your products setup with a shopping cart system and active with in a couple hours.

    Lets assume that you do not have a merchant account and plan to use paypal as your only payment processor. When a perspective customer views your site & goes through the check out process paypal will direct them to a page that is designed to look as though the perspective customer must sign up for a paypal account in order to make their purchase. This of course is not the case but the page is designed in such a manner that the option to NOT sign up for paypal is at the lower portion of page and small lettering. To those customers that do not wish to sign up for paypal or wish to just pay with a credit card this is an immediate turn off and you will lose the customer.

    Now, when you inquire at paypal about this issue they will tell you that in order for you to have control of the payment process you must upgrade to a merchant account. This will cost you $30.00 a month and a higher % fee on your transactions. That’s what I call greed and advertising deception. They advertise normal/business accounts can process credit card transactions without their customers having to sign up for an account yet they design their process pages so that the perspective customer will either sing up for their service or cause you to lose a sale. Now, keep in mind they would make a profit even IF the customer did NOT sign up for an account. They just want to push your customer into using their service.

  20. Paul

    This interview deepens the impression of eBay as “Palm with network effects.”

    Where Palm smugly repeated its “Zen of Palm” mantra (in reality, an excuse for not building new stuff), eBay is still wallowing in the cult-of-Pierre, who should be rewarded for being first and doing a good job, but not as some sort of prophet who created a totally unprecedented business.

    Minor improvements are then also elevated to the profound, as when Donohoe talks about giving users search results arrayed by other than “time-ending-soonest.” They’ve been offering fixed-price sales for freaking years! Dollars to doughnuts, half their middle management corps has been pointing out this obvious, simple problems every week. Pick your analogous Palm example.

    eBay is only still strong because of network effects and because they played defense well, avoiding catastrophic failures that might have killed the business. There is a ton of potential still in their properties, but it doesn’t sound like Donohoe is the guy to tap it. Their entire senior management team should probably be ineligible to replace Whitman.

  21. Eve

    OMG “Do you want to get into the advertising game?”

    eBay is one giant ad! Erick, did you ask this question? That is such a slap in the face! I love it.

  22. Tyler Wright

    Whoah Frank S chillax buddy.
    Woops I misspelled chillax.

  23. Hasan Luongo

    ebay has many issues to address no doubt- but before we dissect the behemoth…

    I’ve always been really impressed and inspired by Meg Whitman, ebay lead the charge online for many many years and has always had a remarkable outlook and story regarding how they help people lead better lives and constantly remove barriers for commerce. I think this sort of idealism and passion is a direct reflection on Meg’s leadership, she is one of my heroes in the business world for sure.

    The time is right for change at ebay and whether they can reemerge as a leader will be a big ?

    my thoughts on Skype: add features! enable screen sharing, along with the video conferencing - keep disrupting or else sell it off to a company that will help it reach its potential.

  24. Debbie Davies

    Interesting article Erick, I wish you’d invited readers to suggest questions, maybe next time. As for empowering regular people to do commerce. What a hugely conceited lady.

  25. Ex-journalist

    Debbie Davis, perhaps when your achievements approach that of Meg Whitman’s you will deserve a bit of conceit.

    >Per the WSJ, which tends to get its facts more accurate than TC: She led the company through its September 1998 initial public offering, and eBay has since delivered more than 40 consecutive quarters of sequential revenue growth. Profit has increased every year and the company now has 248 million registered users globally and 15,000 employees. Its $5.97 billion in revenue last year marked a big jump from revenue of $86 million in 1998.>

    By the way, having met Meg Whitman, I don’t see a trace of that conceit.

  26. Dog

    LOL the skype comment is funny…those guys took her to the cleaners for 2 billion plus+ and she is pist lol

  27. Debbie Davies

    Ex-journalist, now sprinkler of fairy dust for Meg Whitman?

  28. Dog

    also…didn’t she pay like 500 mill for half.com..that could be a bigger bust than the skype on a relative basis..

    as far as paypal..everyone and their mother knew ebay was going to buy paypal.. owned paypal stock at the time cuz it was sooo friggin obvious, and thats prob why they only paid like a 10% premium for it.

    -shootz

  29. SW

    Great interview. I’m disappointed (but not necessarily surprised) no mention of StubHub came up.

  30. Garth

    “I am not one for regrets” = “I’d rather not say”

  31. Macaroni Mike

    Well, for nearly all the years she’s been at the helm (she joined right around the IPO), eBay has been a public co. — totally different game both pre-options backdating scandal and since.

    NOT some freckeld fresh-faced kid a la Facecook. Now THAT deserves a huge round of applause peepal, Japan or not. Omidyar & Co. had great vision but not the execution smarts to grab a charging bull by its balls, er.. horns.

  32. Greg

    Just spotted a funny factual error on the topic on BizJournals.com, in an arcticle referenced from Yahoo Finance page: “Yahoo — which on Wednesday announced the upcoming retirement of longtime CEO Meg Whitman and elevation of John Donahoe — said recently it plans to restructure and eliminate some of its areas of business.”

  33. Jeff

    They have a massive trust issue and are very unhelpful with complaints

    It will likely become a division of one of the major media companies

    yupnup.com

  34. naysayer

    Did Facebook just find it’s new CEO?

  35. ValleyGirl

    I’ve heard from ex-eBay employees Meg has political aspirations — Meg 2012???!!! At least she’ll be adept at taking arrows from the uninformed populace out there, which had to be the toughest aspect of her decade at eBay.

  36. Jason

    After announcing her retirement, C.E.O. of eBay Meg Whitman hinted that she might sell her world-famous gums on the Internet-based auction site before departing. “I’ve received a lot of requests, both inside and outside of the company, ” smiled Ms. Whitman. “We’ll see.”

  37. fatmatrix.com

    Thank God, she has run eBay into the ground the past few years. Amazon even beat eBay during the 2007 holiday season for the 1st time ever.

  38. Mick Russom

    Meg, you piece of CRAP. Thanks for making an illegally operated quasi bank fraudulent piece of crap , PayPal, and for making eBay, the center of fraud, broken product and total lack of consumer protection, yes, thank you for making these piece of crap organizations ubiquitous and thanks for fomenting their criminal behavior the world over.

    Meg, you are lower than garbage, you have lived the high life off of stolen goods, stolen money, frozen accounts, fraud and junk product being sold.