January 21, 2008

Yahoo Layoffs For Real—But What’s the Real Number?

Erick Schonfeld

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yahoo-logo.pngLast Friday, when I reported that a small team of about 30 people at Yahoo had lost their jobs, I hinted that “more substantial layoffs are around the corner.” In fact, we had it on good information that the board was set to meet two days before the next earnings announcement on Jan. 29 to decide whether or not to lay off 10 to 20 percent of the workforce (i.e., at least 1,400 people).

But before we could write that bigger story, Henry Blodget scooped us. (Damn you, Blodget!). And now it is all over the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and San Francisco Chronicle. I guess the lesson here is never hold a story more than a few hours.

But as I read the newspaper accounts, I definitely get the sense that there is some damage control going on, with all the newspapers uniformly reporting that the layoffs will number in the “hundreds” instead of the 1,000-plus we understood to be on the table. The truth is, nobody really knows. Unless that Jan. 27 board meeting has been moved up, the final decision has not been made yet. It could be 500 or 1,500 or more. That 1,500 figure, btw, comes to about 10 percent.

Nobody likes layoffs. But if you are going to bother, you might as well make it financially meaningful in Wall Street’s eyes. Doing some quick back-of-the-envelope calculations, let’s assume for arguments sake that each terminated employee costs an average of $100,000 in salary and benefits. Then cutting 500 people would only save Yahoo $50 million, whereas cutting 1,500 would bring $150 million to its bottom line. To put that into perspective, Yahoo’s entire net income in the third quarter was $150 million.

That’s the sort of equation Jerry Yang has to work with. He no doubt would like to save as many jobs as possible. But if he wants to please Wall Street and get his stock up (and ultimately boost employee morale), he can’t be seen to be taking half measures. The risk of cutting too little is to sacrifice those “few hundred” jobs in vain, with both the stock and morale continuing to plummet afterwards. The risk of cutting too much is to go beyond the bloat and hamper future growth. It is not an easy choice for Yang & Co.

Update: The number turned out to be 1,000.

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  1. YDRIVE

    No worries.. Yahoo is still Yahoo! 8-)

  2. LiveCrunch

    Why would any of employees be layoff? I think that is wrong especially over 1K!!!

    I think that is poor management and bad business strategy (think long-run)…

    Anyways thanks crunch for this story, i read it already on NYT :)

  3. Paly

    Yahoo 360

  4. Jessica Mah

    The company has smart employees, but they way by which they’re organized is in need of a fix.

    Laying off people will increase their stock value temporarily, but their long term success depends on them changing internal structure more than just letting go 20% of the work force.

    Poor bastards.

  5. gregory

    don’t worry about “scoops”, go for substance. scoops are just ego, and are part of what is wrong with much “reporting”

  6. Holger

    Surely those 1500 employees must be doing some kind of work and are not just sitting in their chairs, costing Yahoo money… so I would think it’s not as easy as saying Yahoo will save x amount of dollars by laying them off. Or else, why not lay them all off… ;)

  7. other

    Erick: please change the poll to how many do you think Yahoo WILL fire - using “should” is disrespectful. Like Holger said - those people are doing SOMETHING, and it’s in poor taste to refer to them so callously.

  8. Alex

    Considering that the futures are showing we are going to open down 500 points tomorrow morning I hope Yahoo doesn’t make any irrational decision tomorrow. Yahoo may be trading in the teen$ tomorrow.

    We have an economy in the shitter. I would personally like to congratulate the Bush administration for being completely clueless and incompetent. They will go down in history as the worst admin.

    PATHETIC!

  9. Want an answer

    heard a friend just got laid off of the Answers team… darn, and I’d have thought that product was doing well. :(

  10. Tech Slice

    I heard 700 employees were to be laid off.

  11. Anonymous

    Let me quote you.. on your original articles, before you’ve changed them:
    “Yahoo has more than 11,000 employees, and reshufflings like this happen all the time. ”

    “Silicon Alley Insider is reporting that Yahoo is preparing to lay off up to 20% of its 12,000 strong workforce, a big purge as the Sunnyvale based company attempts to become more profitable.”

    and now you’ve just said

    “How Many of Its 14,000 Employees Should Yahoo Fire?”

    RSS remembers .. is there a pattern ?

  12. Nag

    Very sad.

    I wish google should start employing at least 5 to 6 % who are coming form yahoo right of the bat.

  13. David

    I really feel this article and this poll are extremely disrespectful of the people working at Yahoo.

  14. dishonestrealtor.com

    I feel sorry about the people who were let go….

  15. Planet Malaysia

    49% or 149 voted for 2,000 or More Should Yahoo Fire.

  16. luis

    I think you should be much more respectful when talking about people loosing their job

    I wish you could be fired by your post

  17. Delete the poll

    ***DELETE THE POLL***

    I’m working in Yahoo. Please delete this poll which is very disrespectful for my colleagues and me, who use to read your blog.

    Thank you

  18. rainbow

    The most important thing, that isn´t mentioned, is what positions where decided to take out. It would be critical if the employees fired are all programmers. In a way, to take such decision you have to predict the consequences. Oportunity to another company to hire these guys and give good publicity.

  19. Marc

    Hahaha… gotta love the delete the poll guy.

    Sorry dude, your company is full of so much dead wood only a forest fire will do. Seriously this company needs 1980’s style cost cutting and that means torching all that deadwood that doesn’t produce.

    Burn it!

  20. John

    Only an a**hole would ask a question like that and I don’t even work for Yahoo.

    How many people think Erick Schonfeld is an a**hole:
    + 2,000 or more
    + None
    + 1,500

  21. Marc

    All the people feeling sorry about it don’t seem to understand that the future survival on this company depends on this. Yahoo has been dying slowly over the past few years, they need a major overhaul if they want to be a player 5 years from now. Otherwise they be bought up and ripped apart for the few pieces that make money.

  22. FireflySEO

    Reducing the amont of staff in a company is not always at indication of bad things. Recently Yahoo had a change in the Seniour management team and its not surprising that some changes like this have occured. I expect they will actually be left with a stronger and more efficient team.

  23. Pras

    Hi,
    Please dont use this kind of poll. This is sure to bring down the confidence level of the Yahoo employees as well employess in other companies who might be facing a similar situation.

  24. John John

    Yahoo deserves a couple of big chops right across the board. They’re consistently out done by their rivals in almost every area. To those layabouts at Yahoo, I say Boo Hoo, time to work chaps.

  25. Yahoo Search Advertiser

    As a Yahoo Search Marketing advertsiser who is increasingly having thousands of dollars a year removed out of his account by click fraud and wothless so called “high qualty partners”, it comes as no surprise to me that layoffs are required. We have had to substantially cut back on our Yahoo spend due to these click fraudsters destroying ROI and I know we are not alone. No quality contol and no customer care. Layoffs, frankly you reap what you sow.

  26. Delete the poll

    To Yahoo Search Advertiser :

    No customer care ???!!! Yahoo has a customer care for Search Marketing campaigns, you can call them or send them an e-mail if you experience any problems or want to improve your campaigns. They bought this customer care to Overture few years ago, which invented the search marketing.

  27. Yahoo blames terry

    Jerry, Fildo and rest of young employees should’ve fired terry long time ago. Peanut butter manifasto drives Yahoo nerves.

    Yahoo should blame Mark Cuban for creating lousy product.
    Boardcast.com sucks. Even Youtube over beat Boardcast.com

    Yahoo should blame Terry for mismanagement.
    “Yahoo employees is full of Peanut butter”.

    Good thing, Jerry wanted to hired them back. But how?!?!?

    1. You cut wages won’t work either.
    2. You cut executive wages won’t work either.

    Who is blame for crisis? Mortgage crisis and skyrocketing homes. Many young couldn’t afford it. Only people in 1940-1960s, babyboomers, etc.
    If you born 1970s-1980s. I don’t think you can afford american dreams.

    No one is buying product.
    No one is happy with Mac AIR BOOK.
    No one is happy with gas prices.

    The best thing is crash the wall street. Press reset button.

  28. Yahoo Search Advertiser

    Yes they have a customer care department. I speak to them far more than I want too and get stock e-mails telling me how great their click fraud systems are, NOT!

    If Yahoo Search Marketing really cared about their customers, it is simple, give us a total opt out from all your “high quality partners” ie click fraudsters, and let us choose to advertise on Yahoo ONLY. Result, click prices rise, and Yahoo makes more money.

    Google does it, why can’t Yahoo. Answer - Yahoo got greedy for volume and hoped advertisers would not notice the fraud. Well they did, stopped advertising and now you got layoffs !

  29. Power versus Conflict of interest

    If you are professional or intern journalism. You should be careful with that yahoo voting poll.

    YOu don’t want to damage Yahoo reputations.
    This means Google, Microsoft, and rest of guys who owns yahoo shares.
    How about Google cut off Techcrunch Adsense.? They can do that by power.

  30. I Am Not Posting To Spam My Blog

    What a stupid poll. Unless you’re a senior manager at Yahoo with all the financial and HR data at your fingertips, you can’t even begin to make a sensible guess at how many employees Yahoo needs to get rid of. How many Yahoo employees are dead wood? How many are productive but not earning their salary? How many earn their salary but are in an underperforming division that isn’t worth the overheads anymore? How many need to be given their pink slip and how many can be moved and/or retrained? I have no idea, nor does Schonfeld, nor do you. Nor, probably, do the senior managers, it sounds like it’s close your eyes, put your head down and hope that it turns out alright time at Yahoo.

    I think Poll Checkbox Disease is going round the TechCrunch office, that well-known sickness where if you see a checkbox saying ‘Add a poll to this post’, you can’t resist clicking on it. The preceding TechCrunch polls in the past few days were pretty pointless as well (one was also a Schonfeld and one was a Donut).

  31. Ex-Yahoo senior mgr

    I spent som 2 years at Yahoo - most of them in meetings. It has an incredible hierarchy (like 11 steps from floor to top). No one seems to be able or allowed to make decisions. I would split up Yahoo in separate independent and self-sufficient companies owned by one lean holding company. It would create a lot more value than today.

  32. This is ugly

    Yet Another corporate vandalism created by techcrunch.
    Defamation voting poll. If I ever run a startup company and see layoff polls. My company would sue Techcrunch, but not me. I’m not against Techcrunch or Erick.

    It’s just that…
    How much have you damage Yahoo & insult yahoo employees?

    I think Techcrunch should take it off. It’s not about free speech or anything.

  33. Yiyo

    We are people too. Making a mockery of our lives and ability to put food on the tables for our family is very very disrespectful. Watch out for karma - because one day it could be you here at techcrunch.

  34. napaspa

    I echo the comments of “Ex-Yahoo senior mgr ” above.
    It’s very frustrating to work with yahoo because no one can make a decision. I started negotiations with both yahoo and google on the same day and spent over $190,000 with google before I could even get yahoo to review the contract. It is no wonder google is crushing them in the market.

  35. JS

    Yahoo should take some time to figure out what business they’re really in. Once they figure this out, they should eliminate 90% of the company and keep 10% on the business they’re really in. 90% of Yahoo is crap that does nothing for their business. Yahoo is stuck in 1998 with a business model that never really worked (it’s why the dot-com’s crashed). Yahoo survived but is stubbornly sticking with this 1998-era business plan. They need to get back to the startup culture. I think a great way to get into this mindset would be to cut 90% of the company.

  36. Kevin Lam

    This is why I will NEVER take my company public. I’d be at the whim of the stock market and other people determining the monetary value of my company. Sure, I’m not going to make a lot of money as fast as these companies, but I know in the long run, I can enjoy my money and have more control of the things I want to do with my own company - not be forced to decide on how many people to layoff.

  37. Typical of our days...

    “But if he wants to please Wall Street….”
    This is the problem with companies nowadays. Whatever happened to want to please your employees and customer. F U Wallstreet…and F U to all the companies that think their reason for existence is their stock price.

    “The risk of cutting too little is to sacrifice those “few hundred” jobs in vain,…”
    These aren’t cattle they are sacrificing to the “great gods” of wallstreet, these jobs represent real people, with real families, these people ARE the company.
    Layoff should be considered when the survivability of the company is at stake…not when the stock price is a few cents off the predictions.

    This economy has become so dependent on the stock market, that it has reached a new height in vulnerability. A slight hiccup on the market, and it’s now countries that crash.

    F U wallstree and the corporations that have forgotten who makes them who they are…it’s your employees….not your stock holders.

  38. AnonTroll

    Yahoo is way bloated, they need to make significant cuts to streamline.

  39. Rosa

    Please do be aware of the devastating nature of being laid off, or hearing that you might be. I voted to lay off no one, not that anyone has any control over that. I like yahoo a lot. I know it’s very difficult to find comparable work in that area, so I have sympathy for anyone who loses a job at yahoo or anywhere else in Silicon Valley.

  40. Rajiv Singh

    Yahoo should fire ALL the employees in the US and outsource the jobs to India. Cheaper and smarter workforce.

  41. Dave Q

    On a positive light, getting fired may just be your opportunity to do the startup of your dreams :)

  42. Jason Alba

    There is a huge difference between getting laid off (what is in the title) and getting fired (what is in the poll, and at least one comment).

    To clarify, the company probably wouldn’t fire hundreds or thousands of employees, rather, they would lay them off. This bodes better in a future interview (why were you fired vs why were you laid off), for collecting unemployment, etc.

  43. re : Rajiv Singh

    To : Rajiv Singh
    If Indian workforce is so smart, create your own Yahoo/Google, instead of living-off American companies.
    Danks!

  44. stanchee

    Just got news that 2,500 jobs may be eliminated in next 2 weeks!
    Anyone heard about the potential merger of Yahoo with Microsoft?
    Or is it just rumor?

  45. Tha Bigga Figga

    It is now official: Yahoo! sucks.

  46. Denture Dan

    I say fire them all. they all drive a bmw, mercedes, porsche, lexo, range rover or audi. i worked at yahoo for 3 years and left last summer when i saw things going to downhill fast. they are a bunch of overpaid, self absorbed, egomaniacs with a hilarious sense of entitlement. lay them all off and send them back to the real world.

    sincerely,
    another happy google user

  47. Char

    Way to grind the axe - this is not a good bellweather of things to come in the economy…chortle all you want and don’t be surprised when you or your friends jobs are next up for the chopping block. I guarantee jobs will be building abroad to replace those workers let go - way to go offshoring!!

  48. Char

    …and, hey, Rajiv, you’re more than welcome to go back where you came from

  49. microhoo

    Re: Rajiv Singh

    That’s what they do best, sell millions of cheap labors and pretend to be better…

  50. LayemOff

    yahoo hired way too much crap. Time to clean house. For the longest time it was where bums went to work 10 to 4.

  51. ActiveJobseekers.com

    To set the record straight, Yahoo is only laying off 1000 employees

  52. Jitendra

    Will there be any layoff in yahoo! Bangalore. U can intimate me the same using email: jarc@gmail.com

    Thanks & regards
    Jitenrda

  53. re: re : Rajiv Singh

    Too idiotic to even notice that hatemongers are creating (and hiding behind) some easily recognizable names from India.

  54. Alex

    As usually at layoffs of large corporation the people are fired not for what they know and how creative they are but WHO THEY KNOW. I don’t think that yahoo’s will be succeeding in any part of the game when board is trying to fill the pockets seeing the ship going down. Microsoft will crash the company not mentioning all technologies used or not used at Yahoo. another company down.

  55. Anonymous

    Yahoos before layoff - 17762
    After Layoff - 16721

  56. Jesika Tate

    Layoffs, schmayoffs. C’mon people don’t take it so personally. It’s just business and no one is looking out for you. It’s every (wo)man for themselves. And until you get that, you’ll always be a victim. As long as you work “for the man,” you’ll always be expendable, regardless of how much you contribute to the cause. Just remember…it’s not your cause. Don’t be fooled by company rhetoric and mission statements. You’re a slave to the man. You’re fulfilling their dreams, making the almighty dollar for them. Stop fooling yourselves! Follow your own passion, you’ll be much happier for it.