Comments on: Surprise, Justin.TV Builds Own CDN To Cut Costs, Improve Performance http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/ Startup and Technology News Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:14:59 -0800 hourly 1 By: Zucker has no grasp of this “new world” « Gordon Mattey’s Blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-2541693 Zucker has no grasp of this “new world” « Gordon Mattey’s Blog Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:41:00 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-2541693 [...] downloading [that's me being picky]. The economics quoted aren’t really important. The marginal cost of adding one download is $0.0025 = free. Again, I think as the CEO he should really understand the fundamental economics [...] [...] downloading [that's me being picky]. The economics quoted aren’t really important. The marginal cost of adding one download is $0.0025 = free. Again, I think as the CEO he should really understand the fundamental economics [...]

]]> By: Biff http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-2520209 Biff Fri, 31 Oct 2008 22:38:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-2520209 To GEE - Not true; there's also illegal rebroadcasting of Sporting events, Pron, and Mainstream Movies, too! Yes, Justin has something for everyone! Low-cost CDN or other innovations notwithstanding, the whole Social Networking thing leaves me completely non-plussed. I just can't see the point, other than insecure folks trying to be 'famous'. Worhol had it right, but couldn't possibly have predicted this kind of nonsense. Ultimately, it's all the answer to the question that nobody is asking. To GEE – Not true; there’s also illegal rebroadcasting of Sporting events, Pron, and Mainstream Movies, too! Yes, Justin has something for everyone!

Low-cost CDN or other innovations notwithstanding, the whole Social Networking thing leaves me completely non-plussed. I just can’t see the point, other than insecure folks trying to be ‘famous’. Worhol had it right, but couldn’t possibly have predicted this kind of nonsense.

Ultimately, it’s all the answer to the question that nobody is asking.

]]> By: Gee http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-2491660 Gee Sat, 04 Oct 2008 21:39:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-2491660 JTV has nothing but underage girls and perverts JTV has nothing but underage girls and perverts

]]> By: Jesse http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1927292 Jesse Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:07:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1927292 This is along the lines of building your own data center. Bandwidth costs no longer become as much of an issue when you scale. Good for them, I think that the CDNs need to do more of a utility computing model for bandwidth: http://fishtrain.com/2008/01/17/the-impact-of-bandwidth-costs/ This is along the lines of building your own data center. Bandwidth costs no longer become as much of an issue when you scale. Good for them, I think that the CDNs need to do more of a utility computing model for bandwidth: http://fishtrai...andwidth-costs/

]]> By: RF http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1926560 RF Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:03:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1926560 So whoa whoa whoa whoa wait wait wait wait. What exactly, in specific technical terms, did they build? Did they just buy a bunch of bandwidth and put servers at a few key points in the network? This is a technical post, so I want technical details -- how much would it cost me to do it, and what are the gains in terms of amount of content served and quality? So whoa whoa whoa whoa wait wait wait wait. What exactly, in specific technical terms, did they build? Did they just buy a bunch of bandwidth and put servers at a few key points in the network? This is a technical post, so I want technical details — how much would it cost me to do it, and what are the gains in terms of amount of content served and quality?

]]> By: SG http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1926486 SG Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:34:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1926486 CDN and p2p are two different worlds. P2P is a collaborative model. Pretty much at the mercy of the participants and kiss your QoS good bye. It is apples and oranges. I knew Akamai was old school but I didn't they are that dumb to buy RedSwoosh to replace their CDN network that they spent over seven years building and perfecting with loads of Phds from MIT working it. SG CDN and p2p are two different worlds. P2P is a collaborative model. Pretty much at the mercy of the participants and kiss your QoS good bye. It is apples and oranges.
I knew Akamai was old school but I didn’t they are that dumb to buy RedSwoosh to replace their CDN network that they spent over seven years building and perfecting with loads of Phds from MIT working it.

SG

]]> By: Matt Hendry http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1926431 Matt Hendry Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:52:18 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1926431 Are you guys Kidding combine Justin.tv's backend with a Hybrid p2p CDN and you really lower the costs of content distribution . Akamai didn't buy RedSwoosh for almost 20 million just because they thought p2p was cool at the time . http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/04/12/payday-for-red-swoosh-15-million-from-akamai/ Are you guys Kidding combine Justin.tv’s backend with a Hybrid p2p CDN and you really lower the costs of content distribution .

Akamai didn’t buy RedSwoosh for almost 20 million just because they thought p2p was cool at the time .

http://www.tech...on-from-akamai/

]]> By: Brian Edwards http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1926200 Brian Edwards Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:23:10 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1926200 The only legitimate and affordable P2P HD live streaming WITHOUT BUFFERING video service available today is provided by http://neokast.com. Download their plug-in at http://neokast.com and watch the best video on the internet, period. I have partnered with them to provide streaming video of the candidates in the 2008 election. View our beta page at http://gophub.com/betavid1.html. The only legitimate and affordable P2P HD live streaming WITHOUT BUFFERING video service available today is provided by http://neokast.com. Download their plug-in at http://neokast.com and watch the best video on the internet, period. I have partnered with them to provide streaming video of the candidates in the 2008 election. View our beta page at http://gophub.c...m/betavid1.html.

]]> By: alan http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1926192 alan Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:17:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1926192 UGC made some huge strides last year. Many of the premier sites have been mentioned in the comments above. It will take cost reductions like JustinTV is accomplishing in order to sustain these sites so they can take the next step of creating better content and bring in real viewers. soon you will be able to search through a large amount of Live UGC from over the web as well as live sports, music and news. coming soon: www.NowHound.com UGC made some huge strides last year. Many of the premier sites have been mentioned in the comments above.

It will take cost reductions like JustinTV is accomplishing in order to sustain these sites so they can take the next step of creating better content and bring in real viewers.

soon you will be able to search through a large amount of Live UGC from over the web as well as live sports, music and news.

coming soon: http://www.NowHound.com

]]> By: bayareaguy http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925731 bayareaguy Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:40:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925731 They are working out all the problems for anyone who wants to do what they are doing in the future. I'm sure when they started they didn't specifically plan to do their own CDN. But now they've done it and added it to their "platform". If they keep doing things like this successfully there's a good chance the networks (especially news networks) will have to take notice. Does anyone here think these guys are the last ones who will ever want to distribute their own goofy tv? They are working out all the problems for anyone who wants to do what they are doing in the future. I’m sure when they started they didn’t specifically plan to do their own CDN. But now they’ve done it and added it to their “platform”. If they keep doing things like this successfully there’s a good chance the networks (especially news networks) will have to take notice.

Does anyone here think these guys are the last ones who will ever want to distribute their own goofy tv?

]]> By: Anthony http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925553 Anthony Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:50:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925553 Aside from a few, all of you are just bitter nay-sayers. It's so typical. Bitter, bitter, bitter at the success of others... be bitter at your crappy gene-pool, your lack of creativity and drive or your parents.. save me the pseudo-intellectual banter regarding your opinion of a company's name and the merit of said company's success. Get off of WOW and do something yourself. Aside from a few, all of you are just bitter nay-sayers. It’s so typical.

Bitter, bitter, bitter at the success of others… be bitter at your crappy gene-pool, your lack of creativity and drive or your parents.. save me the pseudo-intellectual banter regarding your opinion of a company’s name and the merit of said company’s success.

Get off of WOW and do something yourself.

]]> By: SG http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925369 SG Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:04:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925369 Nick, Akamai, LimeLight, PantherCDN, etc have taken years and tons on technologist to build a CDN and then they take a couple of years more and tens of millions of dollars and then too the stuff is expensive, complicated and not so easy to use. (I know I used to work for one that build a CDN eight years ago). These web 2.0 scripters have build a full blown CDN. Is this a joke ? SG Nick,
Akamai, LimeLight, PantherCDN, etc have taken years and tons on technologist to build a CDN and then they take a couple of years more and tens of millions of dollars and then too the stuff is expensive, complicated and not so easy to use. (I know I used to work for one that build a CDN eight years ago). These web 2.0 scripters have build a full blown CDN. Is this a joke ?

SG

]]> By: Nick Gonzalez http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925275 Nick Gonzalez Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:21:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925275 Kosso, they've considered Wowza as well. Kosso, they’ve considered Wowza as well.

]]> By: Kosso http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925259 Kosso Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:13:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925259 one word: 'Wowza' ;) look it up ;) one word: ‘Wowza’ ;)

look it up ;)

]]> By: Steve Jennings http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925170 Steve Jennings Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:13:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925170 Nick, Why build adobe's flash servers "from the ground up" when adobe slashed prices? Ouch. Sorry, I don't see the competitive cost advantage there. SJ Nick,

Why build adobe’s flash servers “from the ground up” when adobe slashed prices? Ouch.

Sorry, I don’t see the competitive cost advantage there.

SJ

]]> By: Allison Hills http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925162 Allison Hills Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:10:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925162 You go to Ustream for reliability, Mogulus for powerful features. You go to Justin to see girls eating potato chips... Sorry Nick, once again you show you are not a expert in anything. You go to Ustream for reliability, Mogulus for powerful features.

You go to Justin to see girls eating potato chips…

Sorry Nick, once again you show you are not a expert in anything.

]]> By: Kyle Else http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925137 Kyle Else Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:53:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925137 Available Open Source Flash/Media Server http://osflash.org/red5 Available Open Source Flash/Media Server

http://osflash.org/red5

]]> By: Tom Nobes http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925106 Tom Nobes Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:34:54 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925106 Nick, It's obvious you're in bed with the Justin guys - give me a break...stop pushing an agenda and get off of your platform.... Use TC for unbiased reporting - I go to Mashable.com now because of this type of crap. Nick,

It’s obvious you’re in bed with the Justin guys – give me a break…stop pushing an agenda and get off of your platform….

Use TC for unbiased reporting – I go to Mashable.com now because of this type of crap.

]]> By: mikebk http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925088 mikebk Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:20:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925088 @Nick Gonzales: Are you employed by YC? You seem to be covering only them. I think TC should disclose that. As for Justin.tv, do you guys even know what a CDN is? CDN is not a flash server written in Python. See what Network part of CDN means. Justin.tv can barely break 1000 viewers... to me, that's unbelievably unimpressive. @Nick Gonzales: Are you employed by YC? You seem to be covering only them. I think TC should disclose that.

As for Justin.tv, do you guys even know what a CDN is? CDN is not a flash server written in Python. See what Network part of CDN means.

Justin.tv can barely break 1000 viewers… to me, that’s unbelievably unimpressive.

]]> By: Eric Wagner http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925080 Eric Wagner Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:13:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925080 I am a bit suspicious about this. As far as I can tell justin.tv's "CDN" is really Amazon's CDN and the low price is because Amazon has been trying to undercut Akamai's pricing. I am a bit suspicious about this. As far as I can tell justin.tv’s “CDN” is really Amazon’s CDN and the low price is because Amazon has been trying to undercut Akamai’s pricing.

]]> By: Michael http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925058 Michael Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:59:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925058 Hey Nick - Thanks for the post @Allen - We like the name :) @Kevin - I think it is hardly garbage to have the lowest live streaming video costs in the industry @Adrian - Thanks for the support! Hey Nick – Thanks for the post

@Allen – We like the name :)

@Kevin – I think it is hardly garbage to have the lowest live streaming video costs in the industry

@Adrian – Thanks for the support!

]]> By: Stanley Miller http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925054 Stanley Miller Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:56:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925054 meaningful invention is a sloppy process. good luck to justin and the team! meaningful invention is a sloppy process. good luck to justin and the team!

]]> By: Adrian Keys http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1925027 Adrian Keys Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:46:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1925027 "let them get a real name then come talk to me." Allen...I just love that comment. Seriously though, "lifecasting" is fairly new and Justin.tv must be given a lot of credit for bringing it more into the mainstream. Also, I am happy that they are not just sitting back and counting on the initial buzz but actually doing something to operate more efficiently. “let them get a real name then come talk to me.”

Allen…I just love that comment. Seriously though, “lifecasting” is fairly new and Justin.tv must be given a lot of credit for bringing it more into the mainstream.

Also, I am happy that they are not just sitting back and counting on the initial buzz but actually doing something to operate more efficiently.

]]> By: Nick Gonzalez http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1924990 Nick Gonzalez Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:28:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1924990 Kevin, not joking. These guys say they've flipped the switch on a new system that saves them an order of magnitude on spending. That seems impressive to me. I know they had trouble with reliability with the initial launch, but the service has been reliable for me as I've popped in over the past couple of months. I think amateur video online is still finding its way, aside from YouTube. Everyone else is a very distant second. Kevin, not joking. These guys say they’ve flipped the switch on a new system that saves them an order of magnitude on spending. That seems impressive to me.

I know they had trouble with reliability with the initial launch, but the service has been reliable for me as I’ve popped in over the past couple of months.

I think amateur video online is still finding its way, aside from YouTube. Everyone else is a very distant second.

]]> By: jackmayhofferr http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/comment-page-1/#comment-1924982 jackmayhofferr Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:19:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/16/surprise-justintv-is-actually-a-real-technology-company/#comment-1924982 They needed a CDN to show that crap. Their investors should have just bought some whores. They needed a CDN to show that crap. Their investors should have just bought some whores.

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