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	<title>Comments on: Application Developers: Don&#8217;t Be Surprised If Facebook Changes The Rules When You Do Something That Hurts Users</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MouseOver &#187; The strijd om het web operating system</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-2225272</link>
		<dc:creator>MouseOver &#187; The strijd om het web operating system</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 10:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] met de updates, upgrades van hun systemen en veranderlijke spelregels. Dat merk je nu al bij de strengere regels die werden ingevoerd voor Facebook [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] met de updates, upgrades van hun systemen en veranderlijke spelregels. Dat merk je nu al bij de strengere regels die werden ingevoerd voor Facebook [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>yaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's creepy about Sebastian? I understand his point of view, and I dont find it creepy. 

Chris Neumann is on to something. Maybe you could put "removed" friends in a certain list ("Distant friends", or something like that?), and remove them from the main Friends list. 

Perhaps the new groups and the up-coming per-user privacy settings can be used to restrict what some friends see on your profile..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s creepy about Sebastian? I understand his point of view, and I dont find it creepy. </p>
<p>Chris Neumann is on to something. Maybe you could put &#8220;removed&#8221; friends in a certain list (&#8221;Distant friends&#8221;, or something like that?), and remove them from the main Friends list. </p>
<p>Perhaps the new groups and the up-coming per-user privacy settings can be used to restrict what some friends see on your profile..</p>
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		<title>By: Happy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1925748</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame that Facebook don't seem to care about privacy. At least www.b4uparty.com has always displayed honest, consciencious policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame that Facebook don&#8217;t seem to care about privacy. At least <a href="http://www.b4uparty.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.b4uparty.com</a> has always displayed honest, consciencious policies.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924940</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then remove this from the heading when you first install the application: "You must invite at least 20 friends to activate this application." It is misleading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then remove this from the heading when you first install the application: &#8220;You must invite at least 20 friends to activate this application.&#8221; It is misleading.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924594</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The application no longer requires that users invite friends.  It used to do this, like MANY recent apps.  The reason that some apps require you invite friends to use them is that applications that are valuable (like Break Up), but rarely used (monthly?) utilities, are very hard to grow virally.  This is in large part because of recent limits imposed by Facebook to limit spam.  Limiting spammy apps is a good thing, but the impositions hurt most apps that are not ultra light touch (e.g., Send MOJO, Send Hotness).  Facebook applications did this feature of requiring you invite friends, because in the marketplace of competing apps, the ones that did this won out.

We heard from users that they did not like this requirement, so we removed it.  Just click skip and you are done.  You won't be asked again, though it would be nice (if you like it) if you invited people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The application no longer requires that users invite friends.  It used to do this, like MANY recent apps.  The reason that some apps require you invite friends to use them is that applications that are valuable (like Break Up), but rarely used (monthly?) utilities, are very hard to grow virally.  This is in large part because of recent limits imposed by Facebook to limit spam.  Limiting spammy apps is a good thing, but the impositions hurt most apps that are not ultra light touch (e.g., Send MOJO, Send Hotness).  Facebook applications did this feature of requiring you invite friends, because in the marketplace of competing apps, the ones that did this won out.</p>
<p>We heard from users that they did not like this requirement, so we removed it.  Just click skip and you are done.  You won&#8217;t be asked again, though it would be nice (if you like it) if you invited people.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924446</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After adding this application, it says it will not be activated without inviting 20 of your friends to use it.  I'm not sure if this is true or just a ruse to get gullable people to invite their friends to use the application, but it sure seems shady... I think I may have to block this application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After adding this application, it says it will not be activated without inviting 20 of your friends to use it.  I&#8217;m not sure if this is true or just a ruse to get gullable people to invite their friends to use the application, but it sure seems shady&#8230; I think I may have to block this application.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Neumann</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924242</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Neumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there was some way that it would be "cool" to unfriend people that you're not really friends with.  Right now it's a big slam, and that's annoying.  FB's big angle is to make their friends graph accurately represent the real world social network, and it doesn't do that.  Any ideas on how it could become cool to unfriend the people you're not actually friends with?  Also, I'd love to be able to block my annoying friends who use status as advertising.  I hate that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there was some way that it would be &#8220;cool&#8221; to unfriend people that you&#8217;re not really friends with.  Right now it&#8217;s a big slam, and that&#8217;s annoying.  FB&#8217;s big angle is to make their friends graph accurately represent the real world social network, and it doesn&#8217;t do that.  Any ideas on how it could become cool to unfriend the people you&#8217;re not actually friends with?  Also, I&#8217;d love to be able to block my annoying friends who use status as advertising.  I hate that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Longo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924172</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Longo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it....You know it was just a matter of days before this one hit the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it&#8230;.You know it was just a matter of days before this one hit the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Creepier and creepier</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924130</link>
		<dc:creator>Creepier and creepier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sebastian:  You're getting even creepier, my man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sebastian:  You&#8217;re getting even creepier, my man.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian W</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1924009</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair enough. Although I think you are jumping the gun with your conclusions about me and my friends. I guess it depends how you define friendship, for some the term is more exclusive than for other  people.  Those who use a more selective approach towards who they call friends, are not likely to come in the predicament in the first place. Offcourse I speak for myself, I am glad you speak for everyone else and that your opinion equals that of the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair enough. Although I think you are jumping the gun with your conclusions about me and my friends. I guess it depends how you define friendship, for some the term is more exclusive than for other  people.  Those who use a more selective approach towards who they call friends, are not likely to come in the predicament in the first place. Offcourse I speak for myself, I am glad you speak for everyone else and that your opinion equals that of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike W</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923976</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put in bluntly - Apps are the worst thing that ever happened to Facebook. 

The ones that spam all your friends when you install them are the worst. Particularly the ones that aren't up front about what they are doing. Like when you get a message that "so and so" sent you a message - then you click to view it and it takes you to the app install page. It should never be allowed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put in bluntly - Apps are the worst thing that ever happened to Facebook. </p>
<p>The ones that spam all your friends when you install them are the worst. Particularly the ones that aren&#8217;t up front about what they are doing. Like when you get a message that &#8220;so and so&#8221; sent you a message - then you click to view it and it takes you to the app install page. It should never be allowed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923967</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Mike, the information is already there.

We're just reporting on it.

We're not doing anything nefarious to point it out, are we?

Expecting that people do not realize that someone has unfriended them is not a reasonable expectation of privacy on Facebook.  Two people were friends ... one of them unfriends...if the other takes the time to scan their own list every day, they will notice the lack of the former friend.

Hoping that someone will not notice an unfriend is like Yahoo! canceling another application/service and hoping you won't notice and put it in the deadpool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Mike, the information is already there.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re just reporting on it.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not doing anything nefarious to point it out, are we?</p>
<p>Expecting that people do not realize that someone has unfriended them is not a reasonable expectation of privacy on Facebook.  Two people were friends &#8230; one of them unfriends&#8230;if the other takes the time to scan their own list every day, they will notice the lack of the former friend.</p>
<p>Hoping that someone will not notice an unfriend is like Yahoo! canceling another application/service and hoping you won&#8217;t notice and put it in the deadpool!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Arrington</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923929</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuri and Sebastian - you are exactly the kind of friends that people would want to remove without you knowing, and getting pissed/creepy about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuri and Sebastian - you are exactly the kind of friends that people would want to remove without you knowing, and getting pissed/creepy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923893</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep this app off facebook.  I agree with you Michael.  You don't want the creeps getting notice :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep this app off facebook.  I agree with you Michael.  You don&#8217;t want the creeps getting notice <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Technicle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923880</link>
		<dc:creator>Technicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The break_up app nicely brings today's "&lt;b&gt;socially obligated friendship&lt;/b&gt;" to its sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The break_up app nicely brings today&#8217;s &#8220;<b>socially obligated friendship</b>&#8221; to its sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923805</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My team wrote the application (http://apps.facebook.com/break_up/)

We don't violate the TOS, as far as I can tell.  Given that FB has been reviewing it for almost a month, they must not think so either, as the app is currently written.

We do not scrape, which I believe would violate the TOS (We read TC enough to know that we would not get away with that!).  We just look at the information that is available in the API to everyone and use it according to the TOS to provide information that a lot of fans want to know (good guess damon)

A note on privacy: there are actually two modes.  In private mode, only you see the results of a friend break up.  In public, everyone does.  Believe it or not, given the general bias of developers, we default to private.  So, if you are just curious whether one of your 500 friends has "left the fold", you can find out.  If you had three friends, it would be obviously, right?  If you sat and copied all your 500 friends every day on to a note pad, you could figure it out, right?  We're just giving you a heads up.

What we object to and worry about is ipso facto changes to broad business rules at Facebook.  I'm not talking about the kind of fine tuning to numbers of invites, etc., which applies to everyone.  We're worried about evaluation of apps and accepting and rejecting them based on their utility (or perhaps because they compete with Facebook's own features).  We don't think that would be good long term for Facebook, because is discourages development.  We really want to see Facebook succeed, because we love Facebook and the Facebook Platform!

Jason
(www.faceitapps.com)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My team wrote the application (http://apps.facebook.com/break_up/)</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t violate the TOS, as far as I can tell.  Given that FB has been reviewing it for almost a month, they must not think so either, as the app is currently written.</p>
<p>We do not scrape, which I believe would violate the TOS (We read TC enough to know that we would not get away with that!).  We just look at the information that is available in the API to everyone and use it according to the TOS to provide information that a lot of fans want to know (good guess damon)</p>
<p>A note on privacy: there are actually two modes.  In private mode, only you see the results of a friend break up.  In public, everyone does.  Believe it or not, given the general bias of developers, we default to private.  So, if you are just curious whether one of your 500 friends has &#8220;left the fold&#8221;, you can find out.  If you had three friends, it would be obviously, right?  If you sat and copied all your 500 friends every day on to a note pad, you could figure it out, right?  We&#8217;re just giving you a heads up.</p>
<p>What we object to and worry about is ipso facto changes to broad business rules at Facebook.  I&#8217;m not talking about the kind of fine tuning to numbers of invites, etc., which applies to everyone.  We&#8217;re worried about evaluation of apps and accepting and rejecting them based on their utility (or perhaps because they compete with Facebook&#8217;s own features).  We don&#8217;t think that would be good long term for Facebook, because is discourages development.  We really want to see Facebook succeed, because we love Facebook and the Facebook Platform!</p>
<p>Jason<br />
(www.faceitapps.com)</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri Ammosov</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923672</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri Ammosov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing. You cannot see on FB who removed you? On LJ this was for years a standard feature. Cannot see why someone would deny me a right to know my status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing. You cannot see on FB who removed you? On LJ this was for years a standard feature. Cannot see why someone would deny me a right to know my status.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't see how they could be doing this without storing the ids of all your friends, then getting the list again to see who's missing. Storing the ids definitely violates the TOS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see how they could be doing this without storing the ids of all your friends, then getting the list again to see who&#8217;s missing. Storing the ids definitely violates the TOS.</p>
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		<title>By: ITrush</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923628</link>
		<dc:creator>ITrush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice feature! so you guys out there, careful not to hurt your friends or else...

nhick
http://www.itrush.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice feature! so you guys out there, careful not to hurt your friends or else&#8230;</p>
<p>nhick<br />
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		<title>By: sky</title>
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		<dc:creator>sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need to add at least 3 friends to my list everyday or I can't go to bed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to add at least 3 friends to my list everyday or I can&#8217;t go to bed!</p>
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		<title>By: damon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923572</link>
		<dc:creator>damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uhh, you can deduce this information by diff'ing the results from 2 getFriends calls, so this information is certainly available</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uhh, you can deduce this information by diff&#8217;ing the results from 2 getFriends calls, so this information is certainly available</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian W</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923429</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Currently (and thankfully) there is no notice to the other person when you remove them as a friend."

what are you a coward? IF you cant be honest and say to some one you dont want to be their friend/acquintance anymore, then maybe you need your head examined. It is more creepier to have these people still think you are friends with them. Hey but with 2997 friends, its no wonder people have problems like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Currently (and thankfully) there is no notice to the other person when you remove them as a friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>what are you a coward? IF you cant be honest and say to some one you dont want to be their friend/acquintance anymore, then maybe you need your head examined. It is more creepier to have these people still think you are friends with them. Hey but with 2997 friends, its no wonder people have problems like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923331</link>
		<dc:creator>Rajeev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good as breakups are even common on the internet.

http://tekno-world.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good as breakups are even common on the internet.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Seward</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923080</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Seward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm pretty sure this violates the TOS. Evidence is at http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php?v=1.0&#38;doc=misc

In short, Apps are permitted to store content-identifying numbers (user IDs,  event IDs, et cetera), but they cannot store any relationship data about those IDs (e.g. if a user is attending an event, or--importantly--whether two users are friends). Relationships must be queried from Facebook every time they are needed by an app. Since an app adhering to those guidelines would only ever have one set of friend relations available (those that Facebook returns at that moment), they shouldn't be able to figure out what has changed since the last query.

That said, it may be the case that the Developer Terms of Service ( http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php ) technically gives users the right to grant permission to apps to export whatever data they want (see Section 1, definition of "Exportable Facebook Property"; Section 2, Subsection A, Clause 6; and Section 2, Subsection B, Clause 8.), pursuant to a "full-disclosure opt-in." If FaceIt provided such a disclose, they might be within the legal letter of the TOS (though Facebook could easily clarify/change the TOS to disallow it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure this violates the TOS. Evidence is at <a href="http://developers.facebook.com/documentation.php?v=1.0&amp;doc=misc" rel="nofollow">http://developers.facebook.com.....p;doc=misc</a></p>
<p>In short, Apps are permitted to store content-identifying numbers (user IDs,  event IDs, et cetera), but they cannot store any relationship data about those IDs (e.g. if a user is attending an event, or&#8211;importantly&#8211;whether two users are friends). Relationships must be queried from Facebook every time they are needed by an app. Since an app adhering to those guidelines would only ever have one set of friend relations available (those that Facebook returns at that moment), they shouldn&#8217;t be able to figure out what has changed since the last query.</p>
<p>That said, it may be the case that the Developer Terms of Service ( <a href="http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php" rel="nofollow">http://developers.facebook.com/terms.php</a> ) technically gives users the right to grant permission to apps to export whatever data they want (see Section 1, definition of &#8220;Exportable Facebook Property&#8221;; Section 2, Subsection A, Clause 6; and Section 2, Subsection B, Clause 8.), pursuant to a &#8220;full-disclosure opt-in.&#8221; If FaceIt provided such a disclose, they might be within the legal letter of the TOS (though Facebook could easily clarify/change the TOS to disallow it).</p>
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		<title>By: Aditya Mukherjee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/15/application-developers-dont-be-surprised-if-facebook-changes-the-rules-when-you-do-something-that-hurts-users/#comment-1923040</link>
		<dc:creator>Aditya Mukherjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to drop in that what this application does isn't necessarily a violation of the Facebook TOS.

If they're scraping (which they don't need to) or storing (might have to) the list of friends, then it is. But the UIDs of all the friends of one person is easily available using the platform. They just need to check for a difference between two comparisons, and they'll have the friends who were removed.

This is extremely obtrusive however, though if you add the application, you obviously want to share the information. It's all about individual freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to drop in that what this application does isn&#8217;t necessarily a violation of the Facebook TOS.</p>
<p>If they&#8217;re scraping (which they don&#8217;t need to) or storing (might have to) the list of friends, then it is. But the UIDs of all the friends of one person is easily available using the platform. They just need to check for a difference between two comparisons, and they&#8217;ll have the friends who were removed.</p>
<p>This is extremely obtrusive however, though if you add the application, you obviously want to share the information. It&#8217;s all about individual freedom.</p>
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