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	<title>Comments on: The Music Industry&#8217;s Last Stand Will Be A Music Tax</title>
	<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Why a music tax is a terrible idea &#187; scruffydan.com/blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-2060780</link>
		<dc:creator>Why a music tax is a terrible idea &#187; scruffydan.com/blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 03:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-2060780</guid>
		<description>[...] Warner music is the latest in a long line to call for a mandatory music tax for everyone. This tax would be added to the cost of an internet connection, but would, in theory at least, allow users to download all the music they want. While this may sound like a good idea at first (the EFF has even argued for such a plan), as Michael Arrington argues over at tech crunch, &#8216;the incentives created by such a system are perverse&#8216;, that it would &#8216;kill music innovation&#8216;, and that &#8216;it would be the death of music&#8216;. While I wouldn&#8217;t quite go that far, I do agree that such a tax would provide perverse incentives that would hurt (but not kill) the music industry.  Music Taxes Will Kill Music Innovation [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Warner music is the latest in a long line to call for a mandatory music tax for everyone. This tax would be added to the cost of an internet connection, but would, in theory at least, allow users to download all the music they want. While this may sound like a good idea at first (the EFF has even argued for such a plan), as Michael Arrington argues over at tech crunch, &#8216;the incentives created by such a system are perverse&#8216;, that it would &#8216;kill music innovation&#8216;, and that &#8216;it would be the death of music&#8216;. While I wouldn&#8217;t quite go that far, I do agree that such a tax would provide perverse incentives that would hurt (but not kill) the music industry.  Music Taxes Will Kill Music Innovation [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: bootlegger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1972551</link>
		<dc:creator>bootlegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1972551</guid>
		<description>the only type of music that is really selling is country and kiddie music like high school musical and hannah montana thats what people are spending their money on to buy !!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only type of music that is really selling is country and kiddie music like high school musical and hannah montana thats what people are spending their money on to buy !!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bootlegger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1972446</link>
		<dc:creator>bootlegger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1972446</guid>
		<description>fuck that free music vs paying for it.... u do the math dip shits!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fuck that free music vs paying for it&#8230;. u do the math dip shits!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Mind</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1950799</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1950799</guid>
		<description>This industry as we know it is finally going to change into what customers and fans have wanted for a very long time, choice!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This industry as we know it is finally going to change into what customers and fans have wanted for a very long time, choice!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sphere Press</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1932710</link>
		<dc:creator>Sphere Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1932710</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Someone else has a&#160;clue...&lt;/strong&gt;

No, it&#8217;s not a Music label. This time it&#8217;s Michael Arrington over at TechCrunch who weighs in on the &#8216;Music Tax&#8216; concept.
 &#8221;Forcing people to buy music whether they want to or not is not a solution to this problem. The in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Someone else has a&nbsp;clue&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not a Music label. This time it&#8217;s Michael Arrington over at TechCrunch who weighs in on the &#8216;Music Tax&#8216; concept.<br />
 &#8221;Forcing people to buy music whether they want to or not is not a solution to this problem. The in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Burns</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1930358</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2008 03:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1930358</guid>
		<description>I love this story. I used to work for the mothership of them all, Universal Music Group. I told these executives (all the top ones at UMG) 7 years ago this was going to happen. I resigned shortly after this in 2001 because they were too busy worrying about being extorted by artists for advances than listen to what I had to say. I wish I could get those memo's off those old 100MB ZIP disks that I have them on so I could post them but that technology is so extinct I can't even bother to get a ZIP drive off ebay for a buck! How ironic. ;) I hope they can sell one of those $27,000.00 tables they bought for their now useless conference rooms to pay their salaries, you know the artist royalties are ALL in dispute now........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this story. I used to work for the mothership of them all, Universal Music Group. I told these executives (all the top ones at UMG) 7 years ago this was going to happen. I resigned shortly after this in 2001 because they were too busy worrying about being extorted by artists for advances than listen to what I had to say. I wish I could get those memo&#8217;s off those old 100MB ZIP disks that I have them on so I could post them but that technology is so extinct I can&#8217;t even bother to get a ZIP drive off ebay for a buck! How ironic. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> I hope they can sell one of those $27,000.00 tables they bought for their now useless conference rooms to pay their salaries, you know the artist royalties are ALL in dispute now&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Strattosphere</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1923634</link>
		<dc:creator>Strattosphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1923634</guid>
		<description>What a depressing and, unfortunately, insightful post by TonsoTunez. I would also add that back in the day there used to be bands that didn't actually tour at all. Studio bands who could generate plenty of revenue from vinyl or CD sales using TV promotion and not gigging at all.

Stratt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a depressing and, unfortunately, insightful post by TonsoTunez. I would also add that back in the day there used to be bands that didn&#8217;t actually tour at all. Studio bands who could generate plenty of revenue from vinyl or CD sales using TV promotion and not gigging at all.</p>
<p>Stratt</p>
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		<title>By: ogłoszenia drobne</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1923623</link>
		<dc:creator>ogłoszenia drobne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1923623</guid>
		<description>The Economist has in its edition for this week an article about the music industry too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Economist has in its edition for this week an article about the music industry too.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerd Leonhard</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1919159</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerd Leonhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1919159</guid>
		<description>Michael, you just don't get it and I wish you would stop just ranting on this issue of the flat-rate while lacking the understanding of this space.  A flat rate for for digital music (NOT a tax or some sort of ISP penalty - but a blanket license that is offered to anyone that wants it) is the best thing that can possibly happen to artists and consumers alike. It creates HUGE incentives to get and retain attention on digital networks (as well as in real life aka concerts), since every click on a web / mobile site could and would result in your music being used (streamed or downloaded) which would translate directly into garnering more ad more pieces to this new 'pool of money'.  And yes, the artists want to get paid - imagine that!

And there would be 100s of ways of upselling from the flat rate  - just like cable TV, net access / dsl, and mobile phone subscriptions. I invite you to read the Flat Fee Music Manifesto at www.musiclikewater.net and the post via the link above, and then come back with some actually informed opinions.  It doesn't always pay to shoot from the hip when your gun has only fake bullets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, you just don&#8217;t get it and I wish you would stop just ranting on this issue of the flat-rate while lacking the understanding of this space.  A flat rate for for digital music (NOT a tax or some sort of ISP penalty - but a blanket license that is offered to anyone that wants it) is the best thing that can possibly happen to artists and consumers alike. It creates HUGE incentives to get and retain attention on digital networks (as well as in real life aka concerts), since every click on a web / mobile site could and would result in your music being used (streamed or downloaded) which would translate directly into garnering more ad more pieces to this new &#8216;pool of money&#8217;.  And yes, the artists want to get paid - imagine that!</p>
<p>And there would be 100s of ways of upselling from the flat rate  - just like cable TV, net access / dsl, and mobile phone subscriptions. I invite you to read the Flat Fee Music Manifesto at <a href="http://www.musiclikewater.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.musiclikewater.net</a> and the post via the link above, and then come back with some actually informed opinions.  It doesn&#8217;t always pay to shoot from the hip when your gun has only fake bullets.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam B</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1918550</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1918550</guid>
		<description>I think a music tax has way too many negative connotations - read big industry suing Napster members – I do think the concept of charging ISP or networks a fee based on the number of users (and then bundling this fee in month subs) is the future (and is already becoming the standard outside of the US, for example in China) – however, there is a major flaw in the music tax – how is money fairly distributed to the content providers (i.e. the artists) – and why just music, why doesn’t this fee cover all forms of digital content? In fact, there is a small company in Beijing called Feilio.com which rolled out of Harvard’s Berkman Center about a year ago – their solution is very simple: Feilio provides a blanket content license (which bundles in all major content providers and studios) to an ISP – 100% of an ISP’s members are now 100% legally covered to share, download and own forever all the content distributed on this network) – Feilio then tracks usage (downloads, playing time, frequency of file sharing, etc) of content consumed within the ISP and based on this data and a usage formula pays out content providers accordingly – the ISP charges users a very low monthly fee (that is bundled into their monthly sub) for this service - of which a majority of this fee is passed to Feilio. There is an advertising component as well but this sub model is the company’s core revenue stream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a music tax has way too many negative connotations - read big industry suing Napster members – I do think the concept of charging ISP or networks a fee based on the number of users (and then bundling this fee in month subs) is the future (and is already becoming the standard outside of the US, for example in China) – however, there is a major flaw in the music tax – how is money fairly distributed to the content providers (i.e. the artists) – and why just music, why doesn’t this fee cover all forms of digital content? In fact, there is a small company in Beijing called Feilio.com which rolled out of Harvard’s Berkman Center about a year ago – their solution is very simple: Feilio provides a blanket content license (which bundles in all major content providers and studios) to an ISP – 100% of an ISP’s members are now 100% legally covered to share, download and own forever all the content distributed on this network) – Feilio then tracks usage (downloads, playing time, frequency of file sharing, etc) of content consumed within the ISP and based on this data and a usage formula pays out content providers accordingly – the ISP charges users a very low monthly fee (that is bundled into their monthly sub) for this service - of which a majority of this fee is passed to Feilio. There is an advertising component as well but this sub model is the company’s core revenue stream.</p>
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		<title>By: TonsoTunez</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917252</link>
		<dc:creator>TonsoTunez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917252</guid>
		<description>If I hear concerts and merchandizing are how artists can expect to make money in the future one more time, I'm going to puke.  

First of all you have to be ‘branded' before enough people will pay to see you and make playing live profitable. Same with the public wanting to purchase the cheesy t-shirts you have to offer.  

My contention is that the Internet, by itself,  will produce few, if any, ‘branded' artists in the futrue.  

But let's say you get a little buzz going on the Net.  Let's say 100,000 - non gamed - people post themselves as your ‘fans' on MySpace ... Where you gonna play? Your ‘fans' are likely spread around the world.  If you're lucky 500 might be in L.A., say.  How many of them will buy a ticket to see you? 2%?  Who'll book you and not make YOU PAY to play in their club with those kinds of numbers when the name of the game is how many butts you can put in seats? 

Paying to play might have been O.K. when there was a chance that some record company might have discovered you, but is doesn't work if there is no chance of creating some kind of upward momentum if you doomed to running a business on your own.  

The thought that playing for free is good promotion has lost whatever sense it might have ever made.  What are you promoting if you have nowhere to go?

And, wait a minute, where are all these venues that are suppose to support future stand alone artists ... They don't exist ... and nobody is going to open new clubs if the potential number of patrons an internet act might draw doesn't pay for the electricity to run the place.  

But, let's say you work your way up to a place where some toilet might book you and pay you enough to break even - or even make a few bucks over what it costs you to get there ... How long can you keep that kind of life style up before you say ... "I've got no health insurance, I've got no savings, I've got no future, I'd better get a real job and start taking life seriously." Hopefully, you won't wait too long to reach  that conclusion so you still have a shot at a career beyond working at MacDonald's or working for the government. 

Have you ever known indy artists who have ‘waited too long' to make the transition and have been sentenced to working the road and trying to find clubs that will book them for the rest of their lives ... I've known many of them and they are not a happy lot.  They are usually broke or heavily in debt ... and, if they get sick ... well, it's sad.

The internet it blowing the idea of making music as a living back to the dark ages ... 

Who cares if it costs nothing to make and distribute music these days ... (which, by the way, isn't true).  The day of the ‘branded' artist is over.  We've seen the last Beatles, the last Madonna, the last Eagles, the last of the thousands upon thousands of truly magnificent, highly creative and talented artists that commercial music brought us over the last 100 years.  And, it's all because everyone will rip off rather than support new artists ... Music and those who make it are no longer treasured, revered, cared about ... in what is becoming a more and more solitary, personal playlist, existence, music is no longer the glue that bonds human interaction together .. music has become disposable ... one ‘delete button' away from the next ‘nobody cares' piece of background noise destine for tomorrow's trash bin

Sadly, that's the irreversible truth ... 

Technology marches on.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I hear concerts and merchandizing are how artists can expect to make money in the future one more time, I&#8217;m going to puke.  </p>
<p>First of all you have to be ‘branded&#8217; before enough people will pay to see you and make playing live profitable. Same with the public wanting to purchase the cheesy t-shirts you have to offer.  </p>
<p>My contention is that the Internet, by itself,  will produce few, if any, ‘branded&#8217; artists in the futrue.  </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s say you get a little buzz going on the Net.  Let&#8217;s say 100,000 - non gamed - people post themselves as your ‘fans&#8217; on MySpace &#8230; Where you gonna play? Your ‘fans&#8217; are likely spread around the world.  If you&#8217;re lucky 500 might be in L.A., say.  How many of them will buy a ticket to see you? 2%?  Who&#8217;ll book you and not make YOU PAY to play in their club with those kinds of numbers when the name of the game is how many butts you can put in seats? </p>
<p>Paying to play might have been O.K. when there was a chance that some record company might have discovered you, but is doesn&#8217;t work if there is no chance of creating some kind of upward momentum if you doomed to running a business on your own.  </p>
<p>The thought that playing for free is good promotion has lost whatever sense it might have ever made.  What are you promoting if you have nowhere to go?</p>
<p>And, wait a minute, where are all these venues that are suppose to support future stand alone artists &#8230; They don&#8217;t exist &#8230; and nobody is going to open new clubs if the potential number of patrons an internet act might draw doesn&#8217;t pay for the electricity to run the place.  </p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s say you work your way up to a place where some toilet might book you and pay you enough to break even - or even make a few bucks over what it costs you to get there &#8230; How long can you keep that kind of life style up before you say &#8230; &#8220;I&#8217;ve got no health insurance, I&#8217;ve got no savings, I&#8217;ve got no future, I&#8217;d better get a real job and start taking life seriously.&#8221; Hopefully, you won&#8217;t wait too long to reach  that conclusion so you still have a shot at a career beyond working at MacDonald&#8217;s or working for the government. </p>
<p>Have you ever known indy artists who have ‘waited too long&#8217; to make the transition and have been sentenced to working the road and trying to find clubs that will book them for the rest of their lives &#8230; I&#8217;ve known many of them and they are not a happy lot.  They are usually broke or heavily in debt &#8230; and, if they get sick &#8230; well, it&#8217;s sad.</p>
<p>The internet it blowing the idea of making music as a living back to the dark ages &#8230; </p>
<p>Who cares if it costs nothing to make and distribute music these days &#8230; (which, by the way, isn&#8217;t true).  The day of the ‘branded&#8217; artist is over.  We&#8217;ve seen the last Beatles, the last Madonna, the last Eagles, the last of the thousands upon thousands of truly magnificent, highly creative and talented artists that commercial music brought us over the last 100 years.  And, it&#8217;s all because everyone will rip off rather than support new artists &#8230; Music and those who make it are no longer treasured, revered, cared about &#8230; in what is becoming a more and more solitary, personal playlist, existence, music is no longer the glue that bonds human interaction together .. music has become disposable &#8230; one ‘delete button&#8217; away from the next ‘nobody cares&#8217; piece of background noise destine for tomorrow&#8217;s trash bin</p>
<p>Sadly, that&#8217;s the irreversible truth &#8230; </p>
<p>Technology marches on.</p>
<p>Click</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Schulz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917220</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Schulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917220</guid>
		<description>The music industry is soooooo slow, and doesn't get it.  Let people download it for free, and just put ads on the download sites.  The artists still make a killing from concerts.</description>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917156</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1917156</guid>
		<description>I tried to read through all of the comments before posting my own, but am running out of time so forgive me if I repeat someone else's point.

I agree that the industry itself has become corrupt as the people who sit in the offices are starting to make more money than the artists themselves, but I have absolutely no problem paying for my music and intend to keep doing so.  I know that most of the money will go to fat cats who wouldn't know a truly good piece of music if it came up and screamed "Hi! I'm a good piece of music!" in their faces, but a portion of your music purchase does get to the artist--and the artist relies on that revenue to support them while they make more music.  The idea that music should be totally free is what is killing the music industry.  If we didn't pay for music, we wouldn't have very much music to listen to--why? Because the artists who make the music can't live off of their parents forever and will eventually have to get regular jobs to support themselves which leads to having less time and less energy to create the music we know and love.  

Sure music generates a lot of revenue from live performances and merchandising, but that is only once the artist has established themselves...and what about the people who don't or can't afford to go to concerts?  The fact is that music sales are what generate tours right now.  Saying "oh but I'm really popular on the internet" isn't going to guarantee you a booking.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to read through all of the comments before posting my own, but am running out of time so forgive me if I repeat someone else&#8217;s point.</p>
<p>I agree that the industry itself has become corrupt as the people who sit in the offices are starting to make more money than the artists themselves, but I have absolutely no problem paying for my music and intend to keep doing so.  I know that most of the money will go to fat cats who wouldn&#8217;t know a truly good piece of music if it came up and screamed &#8220;Hi! I&#8217;m a good piece of music!&#8221; in their faces, but a portion of your music purchase does get to the artist&#8211;and the artist relies on that revenue to support them while they make more music.  The idea that music should be totally free is what is killing the music industry.  If we didn&#8217;t pay for music, we wouldn&#8217;t have very much music to listen to&#8211;why? Because the artists who make the music can&#8217;t live off of their parents forever and will eventually have to get regular jobs to support themselves which leads to having less time and less energy to create the music we know and love.  </p>
<p>Sure music generates a lot of revenue from live performances and merchandising, but that is only once the artist has established themselves&#8230;and what about the people who don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t afford to go to concerts?  The fact is that music sales are what generate tours right now.  Saying &#8220;oh but I&#8217;m really popular on the internet&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to guarantee you a booking.</p>
<p>Why does everyone want something for nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: A Pragmatic Solution to Music Piracy &#124; David Ortez</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916830</link>
		<dc:creator>A Pragmatic Solution to Music Piracy &#124; David Ortez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916830</guid>
		<description>[...] weigh the morality of the issue (if there was one). That being said, I was entertaining ideas (after reading Michael Arrington's post on a Music Tax) about of what I believe the music industry should do about illegal music file [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] weigh the morality of the issue (if there was one). That being said, I was entertaining ideas (after reading Michael Arrington&#8217;s post on a Music Tax) about of what I believe the music industry should do about illegal music file [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JollyRoger</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916524</link>
		<dc:creator>JollyRoger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916524</guid>
		<description>Interesting comments on both sides.  I believe at some point you will see an alliance between labels the the major ISP's .. technology is beyond what they can control and even filtering will only slow this down.  

The arguement between artist vs technology is interesting (I am a tech person) The problem is the "product" music cd's have little to no value now.  Many things made this come about:

Industry not reducing the price as media became cheaper, burners became cheaper.  People found you can basically "replicate" a cd or even better make your own compliation for pennies per cd.  

Total lack of quality artists that drive cd sales.  Yeah there are still some heavy weights but most are lucky to have large sales volume.

Radio is advertising, the same songs get played etc ..

So napster and the like blew that model out of the water .. people got WHAT THEY WANTED.

Once something is basically free - hard to expect people to pay for it.

Now I understand the frustration for all in these industries affected and there is no simple answer.  Technology moves on - ask newspapers and the like how they feel about the internet. I don't have the answer for compensation across all the dynamics (artist, engineer, song writer etc) but like any business - if you have a skill / product other people want .. you will get paid.

One last note on all the "it's the damn pirates" fault .. the scene is and never will be about profit.  Anyone selling music, video etc is not part of the scene.  The fault is technology made an underground thing mainstream and simple enough anyone could understand and use.

The main issue is how to control and price something that is digital. Obviously it doesn't hold the same value as a physical object, I'd love to see the music at a fair, minimal cost and for extra $1 - 5 you can get high quality covers, bonus content, special offers for tickets before scalpers snap them up etc.  I'd PAY for that.  The problem with artists making money touring is unless your a major artist all the venues are are bad as the labels .. big business controls who and when is played.

Thanks for reading</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments on both sides.  I believe at some point you will see an alliance between labels the the major ISP&#8217;s .. technology is beyond what they can control and even filtering will only slow this down.  </p>
<p>The arguement between artist vs technology is interesting (I am a tech person) The problem is the &#8220;product&#8221; music cd&#8217;s have little to no value now.  Many things made this come about:</p>
<p>Industry not reducing the price as media became cheaper, burners became cheaper.  People found you can basically &#8220;replicate&#8221; a cd or even better make your own compliation for pennies per cd.  </p>
<p>Total lack of quality artists that drive cd sales.  Yeah there are still some heavy weights but most are lucky to have large sales volume.</p>
<p>Radio is advertising, the same songs get played etc ..</p>
<p>So napster and the like blew that model out of the water .. people got WHAT THEY WANTED.</p>
<p>Once something is basically free - hard to expect people to pay for it.</p>
<p>Now I understand the frustration for all in these industries affected and there is no simple answer.  Technology moves on - ask newspapers and the like how they feel about the internet. I don&#8217;t have the answer for compensation across all the dynamics (artist, engineer, song writer etc) but like any business - if you have a skill / product other people want .. you will get paid.</p>
<p>One last note on all the &#8220;it&#8217;s the damn pirates&#8221; fault .. the scene is and never will be about profit.  Anyone selling music, video etc is not part of the scene.  The fault is technology made an underground thing mainstream and simple enough anyone could understand and use.</p>
<p>The main issue is how to control and price something that is digital. Obviously it doesn&#8217;t hold the same value as a physical object, I&#8217;d love to see the music at a fair, minimal cost and for extra $1 - 5 you can get high quality covers, bonus content, special offers for tickets before scalpers snap them up etc.  I&#8217;d PAY for that.  The problem with artists making money touring is unless your a major artist all the venues are are bad as the labels .. big business controls who and when is played.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916416</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916416</guid>
		<description>just a thought,

a positive one for me... maybe 'this' will drive out overhyped and marketed pop acts and the fringe will become the mainstream in that people will finally be able to adapt some solid preference because of the affordability and availibility of such a wide variety of music. aaron carter to zztop and everyone between for dollars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a thought,</p>
<p>a positive one for me&#8230; maybe &#8216;this&#8217; will drive out overhyped and marketed pop acts and the fringe will become the mainstream in that people will finally be able to adapt some solid preference because of the affordability and availibility of such a wide variety of music. aaron carter to zztop and everyone between for dollars.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916365</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916365</guid>
		<description>There are a lot of viable and innovative ideas being left in these comments.  However, music being Ad supported is absolutely the WORST possible path to take.  Do you want your favorite website to refuse to post your favorite band because their advertisers don't like the lyrics?  Or be constantly bombarded with only the most generic pop because that brings in the largest audience and the most clicks?  Advertisers should have NO part in music, no matter how much sense it might seem to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a lot of viable and innovative ideas being left in these comments.  However, music being Ad supported is absolutely the WORST possible path to take.  Do you want your favorite website to refuse to post your favorite band because their advertisers don&#8217;t like the lyrics?  Or be constantly bombarded with only the most generic pop because that brings in the largest audience and the most clicks?  Advertisers should have NO part in music, no matter how much sense it might seem to make.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916340</link>
		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916340</guid>
		<description>The labels have for years controlled which musicians got heard, by bribing or otherwise paying for their music to be heard of the public airwaves. They should be paying us $5 / month for all the free exposure.

What about all the self promoting bands, they seem to have just as good music as the ones promoted by big music. I don't see why the public doesn't simply boycott all the bands that have contracts with big music, then they could sell their own music on the web. They could sell merchandising on their own, and there could be some way, like with digg, to rate new bands. Then the promotion would be from the grass roots. There's an idea for a site... I'm probably behind the times on this, somebody likely has already done this, no?

But the sooner we limit IP the better. Anything that exists solely through the force of Big Brother is bad for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The labels have for years controlled which musicians got heard, by bribing or otherwise paying for their music to be heard of the public airwaves. They should be paying us $5 / month for all the free exposure.</p>
<p>What about all the self promoting bands, they seem to have just as good music as the ones promoted by big music. I don&#8217;t see why the public doesn&#8217;t simply boycott all the bands that have contracts with big music, then they could sell their own music on the web. They could sell merchandising on their own, and there could be some way, like with digg, to rate new bands. Then the promotion would be from the grass roots. There&#8217;s an idea for a site&#8230; I&#8217;m probably behind the times on this, somebody likely has already done this, no?</p>
<p>But the sooner we limit IP the better. Anything that exists solely through the force of Big Brother is bad for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916328</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 03:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916328</guid>
		<description>The cost of recording, promoting, distributing music has dropped to almost zero. All this expensive infrastructure of record labels has been replaced by a better cheaper model... the interweb.  Why oh why do so many people want to levy taxes on music to somehow perpetuate that nonproductive cartel which was a gatekeeper to music success and only allowed a chosen few to experience commercial success in the music industry. Trent Reznor may be disappointed in his sales, but maybe that's because we've been disappointed in the music he's been producing lately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cost of recording, promoting, distributing music has dropped to almost zero. All this expensive infrastructure of record labels has been replaced by a better cheaper model&#8230; the interweb.  Why oh why do so many people want to levy taxes on music to somehow perpetuate that nonproductive cartel which was a gatekeeper to music success and only allowed a chosen few to experience commercial success in the music industry. Trent Reznor may be disappointed in his sales, but maybe that&#8217;s because we&#8217;ve been disappointed in the music he&#8217;s been producing lately.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916283</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916283</guid>
		<description>And I forgot one other thing. If the industry is allowed to do this (anywhere) then they should have to have the burden of absolute, irrefutable proof put on their shoulders to show that, indeed, music downloading (and I am talking a 'normal' amount of downloading...not criminal mastermind level downloading) has caused revenue loss. I think they cannot and they have not to date. It's all only been words. They say "Downloading is causing the poor musicians to lose money, boohoo". But they never give proof. Ever. Ad not only that, do you really think that money makes it the bank accounts of actual musicians? No, it most certainly does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I forgot one other thing. If the industry is allowed to do this (anywhere) then they should have to have the burden of absolute, irrefutable proof put on their shoulders to show that, indeed, music downloading (and I am talking a &#8216;normal&#8217; amount of downloading&#8230;not criminal mastermind level downloading) has caused revenue loss. I think they cannot and they have not to date. It&#8217;s all only been words. They say &#8220;Downloading is causing the poor musicians to lose money, boohoo&#8221;. But they never give proof. Ever. Ad not only that, do you really think that money makes it the bank accounts of actual musicians? No, it most certainly does not.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916272</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916272</guid>
		<description>George: Putting a tax on black media is not a good way. Why the hell do I have to pay for people to steal music? I don't burn music CDs, nor do I download it. Why do I have to pay for you to? CDs can be used for way more legitimate purposes than burning music.
The same can be said for the ISP tax. People who  download music are not the problem. If you really want to point a finger at someone it's those people who make a criminal living from pirating music. Making an ISP tax isn't going to stop that. In fact it's basically stealing from us on the part of large corporations. At least I feel like they are stealing from me.

And another thing...just how much does the Canadian music industry think that Canadian music being downloaded is causing money to be lost somewhere? There aren't that many Canadian musicians first of all, in comparison to the US. So the Canadian music industry will all of a sudden make scads more money because of some dumbass tax and then go "see, our profits are way up now....you are all thieves". That is the logic these people use. It isn't logical at all in case you haven't noticed.

And anyway, wasn't that "you're all music thieves" tax on media removed? Hard to justify adding another "Tax" for something when one already exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George: Putting a tax on black media is not a good way. Why the hell do I have to pay for people to steal music? I don&#8217;t burn music CDs, nor do I download it. Why do I have to pay for you to? CDs can be used for way more legitimate purposes than burning music.<br />
The same can be said for the ISP tax. People who  download music are not the problem. If you really want to point a finger at someone it&#8217;s those people who make a criminal living from pirating music. Making an ISP tax isn&#8217;t going to stop that. In fact it&#8217;s basically stealing from us on the part of large corporations. At least I feel like they are stealing from me.</p>
<p>And another thing&#8230;just how much does the Canadian music industry think that Canadian music being downloaded is causing money to be lost somewhere? There aren&#8217;t that many Canadian musicians first of all, in comparison to the US. So the Canadian music industry will all of a sudden make scads more money because of some dumbass tax and then go &#8220;see, our profits are way up now&#8230;.you are all thieves&#8221;. That is the logic these people use. It isn&#8217;t logical at all in case you haven&#8217;t noticed.</p>
<p>And anyway, wasn&#8217;t that &#8220;you&#8217;re all music thieves&#8221; tax on media removed? Hard to justify adding another &#8220;Tax&#8221; for something when one already exists.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916248</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 02:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916248</guid>
		<description>Did Trent properly analyze his demographic before doing this? How many teenagers have the ability to buy stuff on the internet? Not a whole lot actually. Maybe it was only 18% because you appeal to people who have no money or maybe no way to spend it on teh internets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Trent properly analyze his demographic before doing this? How many teenagers have the ability to buy stuff on the internet? Not a whole lot actually. Maybe it was only 18% because you appeal to people who have no money or maybe no way to spend it on teh internets?</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916058</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916058</guid>
		<description>"The death of music" - a little dramatic, and not true.  As a musician I can say for sure that no stupid tax is going to prevent me from being creative and making new and interesting music.  I guarantee you most musicians are the same way.  We create because we want to and even have to, not for the $$$.  So nothing that happens in the music industry will ever mean the death of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The death of music&#8221; - a little dramatic, and not true.  As a musician I can say for sure that no stupid tax is going to prevent me from being creative and making new and interesting music.  I guarantee you most musicians are the same way.  We create because we want to and even have to, not for the $$$.  So nothing that happens in the music industry will ever mean the death of music.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916020</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916020</guid>
		<description>We already have a tax in Canada on blank media and I think that is a good way of doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already have a tax in Canada on blank media and I think that is a good way of doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916014</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/the-music-industrys-last-stand-will-be-a-music-tax/#comment-1916014</guid>
		<description>Hey Mike A. - I could also argue that blogging/bloggers is also becoming a commodity like every other form of media and that advertisers should "expect " to pay nothing because they have so many other choices in which to advertise. What do you think is going to happen when 1 billion people have a blog and many of those tech focused? What about when traffic is spread out across those so that each has very little? 

Should we expect to ultimately pay nothing for phones, internet, music, movies in hopes that ad dollars will support the entire thing? that is just not realistic. That worked when big media companies controlled a single powerful medium (TV). 

What about your dear freinds at Amie Street, do you wish that they go out of business too? I think you would have a very different opinion if this was your livelyhood being attacked. Music is not a commodity - it is art and has a human element to it that has value - not to mention the entertainment/emotional value that is worth something as well. Should we not pay for paintings either? 

Who can't afford 14, 33 or 50 cents for a song these days? that is very little to you and a LOT to the artists. 

I think you are an a-hole for getting on your soapbox and preaching that this is "just how it is" I could say that blogging will have the same demise as it rapidly commoditizes and you would probably not like the thought of that either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mike A. - I could also argue that blogging/bloggers is also becoming a commodity like every other form of media and that advertisers should &#8220;expect &#8221; to pay nothing because they have so many other choices in which to advertise. What do you think is going to happen when 1 billion people have a blog and many of those tech focused? What about when traffic is spread out across those so that each has very little? </p>
<p>Should we expect to ultimately pay nothing for phones, internet, music, movies in hopes that ad dollars will support the entire thing? that is just not realistic. That worked when big media companies controlled a single powerful medium (TV). </p>
<p>What about your dear freinds at Amie Street, do you wish that they go out of business too? I think you would have a very different opinion if this was your livelyhood being attacked. Music is not a commodity - it is art and has a human element to it that has value - not to mention the entertainment/emotional value that is worth something as well. Should we not pay for paintings either? </p>
<p>Who can&#8217;t afford 14, 33 or 50 cents for a song these days? that is very little to you and a LOT to the artists. </p>
<p>I think you are an a-hole for getting on your soapbox and preaching that this is &#8220;just how it is&#8221; I could say that blogging will have the same demise as it rapidly commoditizes and you would probably not like the thought of that either.</p>
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