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		<title>By: McCain's Bill on Net Nutrality: A study in obfusication - Page 11 - Political Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCain's Bill on Net Nutrality: A study in obfusication - Page 11 - Political Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Decline &#38; Fall of the West&#8217;s Internet Age — Shooting at Bubbles</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Decline &#38; Fall of the West&#8217;s Internet Age — Shooting at Bubbles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking about implementing hard traffic caps or getting government protection to spy on everything we do when we are online we are finding ourselves being regulated to the technological sidelines as countries like China [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WinExtra &#187; The Decline &#38; Fall of the West&#8217;s Internet Age</title>
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		<dc:creator>WinExtra &#187; The Decline &#38; Fall of the West&#8217;s Internet Age</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 05:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking about implementing hard traffic caps or getting government protection to spy on everything we do when we are online we are finding ourselves being regulated to the technological sidelines as countries like China [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SmoothSpan Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmoothSpan Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Unintended Consequences:  How Market Forces Outmanuever Big Groups For The Collective&#160;Good...&lt;/strong&gt;

If you&#8217;ve been reading my blog for very long you&#8217;ll know I&#8217;m a believer that evolutionary forces are at work all around us.  The web behaves very similarly to an evolutionary system, even experiencing punctuated equilibrium as memes ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Unintended Consequences:  How Market Forces Outmanuever Big Groups For The Collective&nbsp;Good&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve been reading my blog for very long you&#8217;ll know I&#8217;m a believer that evolutionary forces are at work all around us.  The web behaves very similarly to an evolutionary system, even experiencing punctuated equilibrium as memes &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@28 Your comments about piracy mirror failed arguments of a hundred years ago. John Philip Sousa once said &quot;If these infernal talking machines are allowed to continue we won&#039;t have a voice box left in America. We will lose our voice boxes as we lost our tails when we came down out of the trees.&quot; He was arguing against recording technology because it would move the focus of profit from the sheet music industry to the recording industry. RIAA used to be a bunch of pirates pillaging the sheet music industry. Now they&#039;re the establishment fighting the same rearguard action. They had a good 100 year run (Sousa made that statement in 1908). Time to stop fighting creative destruction and evolve or die.

@26  The speed of your connection is a de facto limit, since you can only use as much bandwidth as the speed of your connection allows. More important, *this is priced in* by the ISPs/telcos already. Your suggestion lets us pay twice for the privilege of a high speed connection. Bandwidth limiters are generally a bad idea. Look at broadband penetration and costs in countries where this is the norm, vs. countries where it isn&#039;t.

Also look at it this way. I pay my ISP for a connection. A web site pays their ISP for a connection. One set of packets routes between them. So we&#039;re already paying twice for transmission. Your suggestion actually allows us to pay 3 or 4 times depending on how it&#039;s implemented.

Telcos simply want to suck more money out of the pipes because they don&#039;t like the flat rate models. Hence QoS bullshit, &quot;the pipes are full&quot; arguments, and trying to meter high-bandwidth applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@28 Your comments about piracy mirror failed arguments of a hundred years ago. John Philip Sousa once said &#8220;If these infernal talking machines are allowed to continue we won&#8217;t have a voice box left in America. We will lose our voice boxes as we lost our tails when we came down out of the trees.&#8221; He was arguing against recording technology because it would move the focus of profit from the sheet music industry to the recording industry. RIAA used to be a bunch of pirates pillaging the sheet music industry. Now they&#8217;re the establishment fighting the same rearguard action. They had a good 100 year run (Sousa made that statement in 1908). Time to stop fighting creative destruction and evolve or die.</p>
<p>@26  The speed of your connection is a de facto limit, since you can only use as much bandwidth as the speed of your connection allows. More important, *this is priced in* by the ISPs/telcos already. Your suggestion lets us pay twice for the privilege of a high speed connection. Bandwidth limiters are generally a bad idea. Look at broadband penetration and costs in countries where this is the norm, vs. countries where it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Also look at it this way. I pay my ISP for a connection. A web site pays their ISP for a connection. One set of packets routes between them. So we&#8217;re already paying twice for transmission. Your suggestion actually allows us to pay 3 or 4 times depending on how it&#8217;s implemented.</p>
<p>Telcos simply want to suck more money out of the pipes because they don&#8217;t like the flat rate models. Hence QoS bullshit, &#8220;the pipes are full&#8221; arguments, and trying to meter high-bandwidth applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Takahashi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takahashi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The censorship will start with piracy and then certain high level traffic use programs like gamimg. Then it will move over to speech and political dissidence websites. It will get soo bad that they will attack sites that don&#039;t pay to allow their site to be accessed.

It will just turn into something not worth using. They will just bring in Internet 2 -- total censorship. Government will say its for better &quot;performance&quot; and the kiddy gamers will fall for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The censorship will start with piracy and then certain high level traffic use programs like gamimg. Then it will move over to speech and political dissidence websites. It will get soo bad that they will attack sites that don&#8217;t pay to allow their site to be accessed.</p>
<p>It will just turn into something not worth using. They will just bring in Internet 2 &#8212; total censorship. Government will say its for better &#8220;performance&#8221; and the kiddy gamers will fall for it.</p>
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		<title>By: chance4phun</title>
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		<dc:creator>chance4phun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well they did...this has nothing to do with P2P....this is how they are going to get rid of netradio.....UNLESS you play by their rules.....I guess it&#039;s time to get rid of my Iphone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well they did&#8230;this has nothing to do with P2P&#8230;.this is how they are going to get rid of netradio&#8230;..UNLESS you play by their rules&#8230;..I guess it&#8217;s time to get rid of my Iphone</p>
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		<title>By: claudio cannella</title>
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		<dc:creator>claudio cannella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you are a bit let we already have now the French Inquisition 
france has a law which compels providers to do so  but tech problems are almost as big as those of the famed Berman proposal 
And we all know what is the issued for which copyright is just fish bait 
maybe if alla artist federated making independent labels and pooling staffs for organizing tours ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are a bit let we already have now the French Inquisition<br />
france has a law which compels providers to do so  but tech problems are almost as big as those of the famed Berman proposal<br />
And we all know what is the issued for which copyright is just fish bait<br />
maybe if alla artist federated making independent labels and pooling staffs for organizing tours &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Humble Pie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913593</link>
		<dc:creator>Humble Pie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In many areas of the country - particularly more rural areas - there is only ONE broadband provider. 

The EU is looking like a better and better place to be...

Unless the US start sticking up for its citizens, it looks like we&#039;re going China-Lite.  

Kiss our rights goodbye....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many areas of the country &#8211; particularly more rural areas &#8211; there is only ONE broadband provider. </p>
<p>The EU is looking like a better and better place to be&#8230;</p>
<p>Unless the US start sticking up for its citizens, it looks like we&#8217;re going China-Lite.  </p>
<p>Kiss our rights goodbye&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear AT&amp;T,

About 5 months back I decided to get away from comcast as a cable and internet provider. So I cancelled my internet service with comcast and went with you (only because you were the only other option). Later I discovered that DirectTV wont work from my apartment because of a tree right outside blocking the signal. 

So now I have Comcast for cable and you guys for internet. If you start interfering with my internet traffic (which you don&#039;t need to because it&#039;s none of your business. I pay you my hard earned dollars to bring me the fucking internet as is) I promise you that I will go back to comcast (atleast they are faster).

Regards
-Random Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear AT&amp;T,</p>
<p>About 5 months back I decided to get away from comcast as a cable and internet provider. So I cancelled my internet service with comcast and went with you (only because you were the only other option). Later I discovered that DirectTV wont work from my apartment because of a tree right outside blocking the signal. </p>
<p>So now I have Comcast for cable and you guys for internet. If you start interfering with my internet traffic (which you don&#8217;t need to because it&#8217;s none of your business. I pay you my hard earned dollars to bring me the fucking internet as is) I promise you that I will go back to comcast (atleast they are faster).</p>
<p>Regards<br />
-Random Guy</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff O'Hara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff O'Hara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So everybody builds encryption.  https anybody? Encrypted bittorrents?  This will accomplish nothing to prevent piracy except wasted money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So everybody builds encryption.  https anybody? Encrypted bittorrents?  This will accomplish nothing to prevent piracy except wasted money.</p>
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		<title>By: Everett</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913566</link>
		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I&#039;m wrong but France is doing this too right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but France is doing this too right?</p>
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		<title>By: Late Story</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913441</link>
		<dc:creator>Late Story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh: I wonder if you felt the same way if my hypothetical piracy served to seize the digital information in your bank account. You shouldn&#039;t be so attached to it anyways. All you&#039;ll have to do is find a new way to survive, adapt, become a better person. &quot;Owning&quot; is so passé. Just be a forward thinker ! It&#039;s all information anyways; it wants to be free. I want it to be free. (If you could drop by Western Union and save me the trouble, that would be great too.)

Moderators: I`ve posted links to the past stories about this in June of 2007; they are still awaiting moderation. Could someone get to it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh: I wonder if you felt the same way if my hypothetical piracy served to seize the digital information in your bank account. You shouldn&#8217;t be so attached to it anyways. All you&#8217;ll have to do is find a new way to survive, adapt, become a better person. &#8220;Owning&#8221; is so passé. Just be a forward thinker ! It&#8217;s all information anyways; it wants to be free. I want it to be free. (If you could drop by Western Union and save me the trouble, that would be great too.)</p>
<p>Moderators: I`ve posted links to the past stories about this in June of 2007; they are still awaiting moderation. Could someone get to it ?</p>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
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		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are lot of old school thinkers here... &quot;you shouldn&#039;t steal cause look what you brought upon yourself,&quot;  LoL   Not that many forward thinkers posting comments!

Piracy brings innovation and innovation equals a better quality life for everyone!  Media and innovation always but heads, but in the end innovation wins and media does too.  THey (media) just fight their way to better fortunes ... silly of them to do so!

This is not the solution .... rather a new market is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are lot of old school thinkers here&#8230; &#8220;you shouldn&#8217;t steal cause look what you brought upon yourself,&#8221;  LoL   Not that many forward thinkers posting comments!</p>
<p>Piracy brings innovation and innovation equals a better quality life for everyone!  Media and innovation always but heads, but in the end innovation wins and media does too.  THey (media) just fight their way to better fortunes &#8230; silly of them to do so!</p>
<p>This is not the solution &#8230;. rather a new market is!</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913340</link>
		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more reason to leave United States</description>
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		<title>By: Ouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! AOL will be the only one with video</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! AOL will be the only one with video</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913229</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will ban AT&amp;T from my network if they take this sort of illegal activity. Just as i have banned Comcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will ban AT&amp;T from my network if they take this sort of illegal activity. Just as i have banned Comcast.</p>
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		<title>By: Technicle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913141</link>
		<dc:creator>Technicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically -- particularly if &lt;b&gt;simplistically&lt;/b&gt; -- it&#039;s &quot;easily&quot; done at the ISP level, either with this Cisco-enabled deep packet inspection technology, or something similar.

But the implication is bad; being allowed to do step 1, they&#039;ll proceed to step 2 and step 3, eventually hurting this net neutrality thing -- its exact definitions aside.. and not hard to imagine that one day they&#039;ll simply block the majority of p2p traffic (or charge extra -- to compensate their &quot;investments&quot; in their filtering technology and staffing, and whatnot.)

For example, this ISP I&#039;m on, simply block all the outbound email (SMTP port 25) for all their residential broadband customers (for over a year by now), because the administrative cost for them to curtail email spammers became a burden. Sure, they provided one solution, that all emails be first routed to their smtp relay host -- certainly not to the liking of many. Why I&#039;m still using them? Good question (fixed contract term), but not for too long very soon. Their [not invalid] reason - people use webmail these days anyways. That&#039;s right. So they dare to do it heavy handed and worry no massive attrition. Good for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically &#8212; particularly if <b>simplistically</b> &#8212; it&#8217;s &#8220;easily&#8221; done at the ISP level, either with this Cisco-enabled deep packet inspection technology, or something similar.</p>
<p>But the implication is bad; being allowed to do step 1, they&#8217;ll proceed to step 2 and step 3, eventually hurting this net neutrality thing &#8212; its exact definitions aside.. and not hard to imagine that one day they&#8217;ll simply block the majority of p2p traffic (or charge extra &#8212; to compensate their &#8220;investments&#8221; in their filtering technology and staffing, and whatnot.)</p>
<p>For example, this ISP I&#8217;m on, simply block all the outbound email (SMTP port 25) for all their residential broadband customers (for over a year by now), because the administrative cost for them to curtail email spammers became a burden. Sure, they provided one solution, that all emails be first routed to their smtp relay host &#8212; certainly not to the liking of many. Why I&#8217;m still using them? Good question (fixed contract term), but not for too long very soon. Their [not invalid] reason &#8211; people use webmail these days anyways. That&#8217;s right. So they dare to do it heavy handed and worry no massive attrition. Good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon Smirl
lol :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Smirl<br />
lol <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jon Smirl</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Smirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we change the headline to: &quot;Insane AT&amp;T ISP joins RIAA in suicide pact&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we change the headline to: &#8220;Insane AT&amp;T ISP joins RIAA in suicide pact&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Col &#124; UbicMedia</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913113</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre Col &#124; UbicMedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 : I believe that &quot;stealing&quot; copyrighted material can, on the long term, generate a deep crisis for musicians, directors, actors and so on, and that something has to be done. Just click on my name above and you will see what I&#039;m working on, and how smart solutions can prevent the generalized piracy of digital media while allowing the internet consumers to recommend, share and redistribute the movies, videos and music they like without staling the right owners.

But filtering, at the ISP or telco level (on the backbone nodes) or at the consumer level (on the DSL or cable box) is really a totally unefficient solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 : I believe that &#8220;stealing&#8221; copyrighted material can, on the long term, generate a deep crisis for musicians, directors, actors and so on, and that something has to be done. Just click on my name above and you will see what I&#8217;m working on, and how smart solutions can prevent the generalized piracy of digital media while allowing the internet consumers to recommend, share and redistribute the movies, videos and music they like without staling the right owners.</p>
<p>But filtering, at the ISP or telco level (on the backbone nodes) or at the consumer level (on the DSL or cable box) is really a totally unefficient solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913101</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre Col &#124; UbicMedia   (#24)
I&#039;m going on what they are saying. Is it a challenge tech wise? hell yes, but read those comments
&quot;we are very interested in a technology based solution and we think a network-based solution is the optimal way to approach this&quot;
I think that this is what they are working towards, not sure if this means they can do this tomorrow, but that&#039;s the intent. 

And lets take the NBC&#039;s guy quote into perspective, he&#039;s saying that P2P is all about copyright theft. As we already know with Comcast it&#039;s not that hard to throttle BitTorrent. Unfortunately with these guys, it&#039;s a case of where there&#039;s a will, there may well be a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre Col | UbicMedia   (#24)<br />
I&#8217;m going on what they are saying. Is it a challenge tech wise? hell yes, but read those comments<br />
&#8220;we are very interested in a technology based solution and we think a network-based solution is the optimal way to approach this&#8221;<br />
I think that this is what they are working towards, not sure if this means they can do this tomorrow, but that&#8217;s the intent. </p>
<p>And lets take the NBC&#8217;s guy quote into perspective, he&#8217;s saying that P2P is all about copyright theft. As we already know with Comcast it&#8217;s not that hard to throttle BitTorrent. Unfortunately with these guys, it&#8217;s a case of where there&#8217;s a will, there may well be a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Technicle</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913064</link>
		<dc:creator>Technicle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISP as the Big Brother? Perhaps &lt;b&gt;only AT&amp;T&lt;/b&gt; would like it -- their right choice, perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISP as the Big Brother? Perhaps <b>only AT&amp;T</b> would like it &#8212; their right choice, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1913061</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time that pirates begin to discover what their piracy has wrought. You can blast AT&amp;T all you want...the others will all follow suit as well. Stealing hurts everyone except the thieves, and it cannot be long tolerated in a law-abiding society.

Unfortunately, since you couldn&#039;t say no to your own personal &quot;need&quot; to steal and thumb your nose at &quot;the man&quot;...a grownup has to come solve the problem it for you.

Stop acting like children, and police yourselves...then you don&#039;t need Big Brother anymore. Then again, you might find that you&#039;ve waited too long. Big Brother, once in the door, may not be so eager to leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time that pirates begin to discover what their piracy has wrought. You can blast AT&amp;T all you want&#8230;the others will all follow suit as well. Stealing hurts everyone except the thieves, and it cannot be long tolerated in a law-abiding society.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, since you couldn&#8217;t say no to your own personal &#8220;need&#8221; to steal and thumb your nose at &#8220;the man&#8221;&#8230;a grownup has to come solve the problem it for you.</p>
<p>Stop acting like children, and police yourselves&#8230;then you don&#8217;t need Big Brother anymore. Then again, you might find that you&#8217;ve waited too long. Big Brother, once in the door, may not be so eager to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/09/att-may-censor-copyrighted-materials-at-the-isp-level/comment-page-1/#comment-1912997</link>
		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24, great points. Plus there is an incredible amount of legal P2P data flow. Joost, for example, to my knowledge, is based on the same P2P technology that powers Kazaa. To some extent, I think Skype uses P2P too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24, great points. Plus there is an incredible amount of legal P2P data flow. Joost, for example, to my knowledge, is based on the same P2P technology that powers Kazaa. To some extent, I think Skype uses P2P too.</p>
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