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		<title>By: obama chavez</title>
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		<dc:creator>obama chavez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 05:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: obama charm</title>
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		<dc:creator>obama charm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading the comments with some interest. I have had the same UPS Store mailbox since is was known as MailBoxes Etc. Per my request, they throw out the junk mail and catalogs and mail the rest to me. I only have them do this every 2 weeks.  

I have everything electronic that I can. However, some stuff still comes paper - gov forms, checks, even a few statements (where the company won&#039;t do electronic - ARGH!). All of my historical stuff is scanned/shredded, so anything new is either shredded or scanned/shredded. I&#039;m all digital.

So here&#039;s my thoughts:

1. I usually get mail that is around 3 weeks old, as is;
2. I spend, maybe, 4 hours a month scanning and shredding stuff when it arrives;
3. ECM is $60 cheaper than my current mailbox (mid-tiered price) and will do #2 for me;
4. ECM will deposit my checks (saving me time).

To answer a question way above...Why do I use a PO Box?

1. When I&#039;ve moved, I didn&#039;t have to update my record with tons of companies;
2. When I go on vacation, they hold my mail or forward to me elsewhere;
3. They receive all my boxes instead of leaving it next to my front door;
4. They only charge me postage to mail me my stuff;

So, with ECM, I&#039;m not sure if I am losing any additional turnaround time due to shipping everything to Oregon. Due to my circumstances, it may be about the same or a couple days longer.

All in all, if this new service saves me 4 hours a month in sorting/scanning/shredding, that&#039;s 48 hours a year - more than a work week. That&#039;s valuable.

Possible Downsides:

1. I don&#039;t like the extra long PO number w/ ECM;
2. I&#039;m sure I can think of others.

Possible Upsides (off the top of my head):

1. OCR and document management add-on
2. Web 2.0 integrations
3. ECM to Fax integration (fax me my mail)

Thoughts:
 
1. Snail mail will be around for a long time;
 
2. This may be a no-brainer for mailbox renters like me (how many are there?);
 
3. Selling non-PO box users may not work;
 
4. The check cashing function could be great. 
 
Only Wells Fargo for now? No prob. I don&#039;t have an account, but opening one is really easy. You can sweep funds from your WF account to your BOA/CITI/CHASE/ETC account as often as you please. There may be an autosweep option, too. I think WF works with Quickbooks for you super automation freaks.
 
Final Words - 
 
1. I have no relation to ECM. I am came here because I was looking for reviews.
 
2. I wrote this post because so many people have the wrong idea and attitude.
 
3. When congress was shown the telegraph, they laughed saying &quot;who needs to send information that fast? We can drive a truck full of mail between DC and NY in a day.
 
4. No one is going to pay a premium to have their mail delivered overnight. If this isn&#039;t familiar, google the FedEx thesis paper (got an F).
 
5. I expect to get physical mail for years to come. I try to be all digital, but not everyone in the public and private sector are on board yet. If I can pay a simple fee to have my off-line data put online...Fantastic.
 
I&#039;m signing up for the free trial and having my regular PO box forward my stuff to them. I doubt if I will remember (or bother) to put a followup here in a month, so good luck everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading the comments with some interest. I have had the same UPS Store mailbox since is was known as MailBoxes Etc. Per my request, they throw out the junk mail and catalogs and mail the rest to me. I only have them do this every 2 weeks.  </p>
<p>I have everything electronic that I can. However, some stuff still comes paper &#8211; gov forms, checks, even a few statements (where the company won&#8217;t do electronic &#8211; ARGH!). All of my historical stuff is scanned/shredded, so anything new is either shredded or scanned/shredded. I&#8217;m all digital.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my thoughts:</p>
<p>1. I usually get mail that is around 3 weeks old, as is;<br />
2. I spend, maybe, 4 hours a month scanning and shredding stuff when it arrives;<br />
3. ECM is $60 cheaper than my current mailbox (mid-tiered price) and will do #2 for me;<br />
4. ECM will deposit my checks (saving me time).</p>
<p>To answer a question way above&#8230;Why do I use a PO Box?</p>
<p>1. When I&#8217;ve moved, I didn&#8217;t have to update my record with tons of companies;<br />
2. When I go on vacation, they hold my mail or forward to me elsewhere;<br />
3. They receive all my boxes instead of leaving it next to my front door;<br />
4. They only charge me postage to mail me my stuff;</p>
<p>So, with ECM, I&#8217;m not sure if I am losing any additional turnaround time due to shipping everything to Oregon. Due to my circumstances, it may be about the same or a couple days longer.</p>
<p>All in all, if this new service saves me 4 hours a month in sorting/scanning/shredding, that&#8217;s 48 hours a year &#8211; more than a work week. That&#8217;s valuable.</p>
<p>Possible Downsides:</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t like the extra long PO number w/ ECM;<br />
2. I&#8217;m sure I can think of others.</p>
<p>Possible Upsides (off the top of my head):</p>
<p>1. OCR and document management add-on<br />
2. Web 2.0 integrations<br />
3. ECM to Fax integration (fax me my mail)</p>
<p>Thoughts:</p>
<p>1. Snail mail will be around for a long time;</p>
<p>2. This may be a no-brainer for mailbox renters like me (how many are there?);</p>
<p>3. Selling non-PO box users may not work;</p>
<p>4. The check cashing function could be great. </p>
<p>Only Wells Fargo for now? No prob. I don&#8217;t have an account, but opening one is really easy. You can sweep funds from your WF account to your BOA/CITI/CHASE/ETC account as often as you please. There may be an autosweep option, too. I think WF works with Quickbooks for you super automation freaks.</p>
<p>Final Words &#8211; </p>
<p>1. I have no relation to ECM. I am came here because I was looking for reviews.</p>
<p>2. I wrote this post because so many people have the wrong idea and attitude.</p>
<p>3. When congress was shown the telegraph, they laughed saying &#8220;who needs to send information that fast? We can drive a truck full of mail between DC and NY in a day.</p>
<p>4. No one is going to pay a premium to have their mail delivered overnight. If this isn&#8217;t familiar, google the FedEx thesis paper (got an F).</p>
<p>5. I expect to get physical mail for years to come. I try to be all digital, but not everyone in the public and private sector are on board yet. If I can pay a simple fee to have my off-line data put online&#8230;Fantastic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m signing up for the free trial and having my regular PO box forward my stuff to them. I doubt if I will remember (or bother) to put a followup here in a month, so good luck everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true (as reported on other blogs) that Earth Class Mail employs the &quot;predatory&quot; practice of holding you hostage if/when you cancel by refusing to forward any of your mail after your account closes? And that they won&#039;t even agree to complete the form required by USPS to allow automatic USPS forwarding to your new address?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it true (as reported on other blogs) that Earth Class Mail employs the &#8220;predatory&#8221; practice of holding you hostage if/when you cancel by refusing to forward any of your mail after your account closes? And that they won&#8217;t even agree to complete the form required by USPS to allow automatic USPS forwarding to your new address?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would give their grandma the correspondence address of a scanning service?</description>
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		<title>By: Has anyone - SatelliteGuys.US</title>
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		<dc:creator>Has anyone - SatelliteGuys.US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 01:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Review   Earth Class Mail - Solid or Scum? &#124; Ask Metafilter  Earth Class Mail Company Profile  $13.3 Million For Startup That Wants To Kill Snail Mail  Earth Class Mail secures $13.3 million, plans New York store &#124; Green Tech - CNET News  tecosystems [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Review   Earth Class Mail &#8211; Solid or Scum? | Ask Metafilter  Earth Class Mail Company Profile  $13.3 Million For Startup That Wants To Kill Snail Mail  Earth Class Mail secures $13.3 million, plans New York store | Green Tech &#8211; CNET News  tecosystems [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Another Email: Earth Class Mail, Money Does Not Equal to Your “Legal Right” &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-2538001</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Email: Earth Class Mail, Money Does Not Equal to Your “Legal Right” &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] get a formal apology letter from your CEO Ron Wiener just like the “incident” that happened on TechCrunch.  FYI, Earth Class Mail employees POSED as users and posted FAKE COMMENTS talking up their own [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] get a formal apology letter from your CEO Ron Wiener just like the “incident” that happened on TechCrunch.  FYI, Earth Class Mail employees POSED as users and posted FAKE COMMENTS talking up their own [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a few people ask about checks. Yes, we have recently begun a check processing program at Earth Class Mail. Currently, we only offer this program to Wells Fargo account holders, though I am sure that will change in the future as we continue to grow and expand as we have been doing so the past few years.

I&#039;ve been working with this company for almost a year and a half now, and I love the concept so much. Our customers also love the concept as well. Thank you for the attention and support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a few people ask about checks. Yes, we have recently begun a check processing program at Earth Class Mail. Currently, we only offer this program to Wells Fargo account holders, though I am sure that will change in the future as we continue to grow and expand as we have been doing so the past few years.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working with this company for almost a year and a half now, and I love the concept so much. Our customers also love the concept as well. Thank you for the attention and support.</p>
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		<title>By: $21.4M Earth Class Mail Corp. Threatens Me With Lawsuit. What Have I Done? &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</title>
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		<dc:creator>$21.4M Earth Class Mail Corp. Threatens Me With Lawsuit. What Have I Done? &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] $13.3 Million For Startup That Wants To Kill Snail Mail – Read Michael Arrington&#8217;s comment after the article. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: LOL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Also, Earth Class Mail hires veterans and each person who opens mail is Department of Defence certified and background checked. Thats about as secure as you can get.&quot;

Ummm... that is not the truth at all. I&#039;m sure there are vets in the mix, but not ALL of their employees are vets. Sorry bud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Also, Earth Class Mail hires veterans and each person who opens mail is Department of Defence certified and background checked. Thats about as secure as you can get.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230; that is not the truth at all. I&#8217;m sure there are vets in the mix, but not ALL of their employees are vets. Sorry bud.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Reduce Junk Mail - Online Postal Mailboxes &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-2446484</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Reduce Junk Mail - Online Postal Mailboxes &#171; Stop Junk Mail. Save Trees.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has received some press coverage, from people such as TechCrunch to David Pogue on the NY Times Blog.  If you search for &#8220;earth class mail blog [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Outsource Your Mail Room &#171; Minh K. Do</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outsource Your Mail Room &#171; Minh K. Do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 05:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out the TechCrunch discussion to see some feedback from people who already use the service. In general, they seem pretty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rick Z. in Reston VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Z. in Reston VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wanted to add my e-mail:

zman@netapp.com. Take care

Rick Z.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wanted to add my e-mail:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:zman@netapp.com">zman@netapp.com</a>. Take care</p>
<p>Rick Z.</p>
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		<title>By: I like it</title>
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		<dc:creator>I like it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron,
I like this service and would definitely use it in India. I and lots of my friends have a urgent need of this service, as we get mail and it is usually recd. by a neighbor or friend and then if it looks important we have to ask them to read it and the usual problems with having it shipped and secure storage etc.
I would happily pay for this service. 
Considering the cost benefits in operating in India you should easily be able to pull this off...
Best of luck and keep me posted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron,<br />
I like this service and would definitely use it in India. I and lots of my friends have a urgent need of this service, as we get mail and it is usually recd. by a neighbor or friend and then if it looks important we have to ask them to read it and the usual problems with having it shipped and secure storage etc.<br />
I would happily pay for this service.<br />
Considering the cost benefits in operating in India you should easily be able to pull this off&#8230;<br />
Best of luck and keep me posted</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Z. in Reston VA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Z. in Reston VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks good. I work for a data storage company. We store PETABYTES of info for the Government and commercial space. Some agencies alone store over five plus PETABYTES of information on our equipment and growing.  So Ron, Do you use Data Storage? How much do you see it growing for you? Are you prepared for the growth? Who do you use EMC, NetApp, IBM, HP ect...? The way I see it is you will be storing PETABYTES some day soon if Earth Class Mail keeps going in this great direction for you. I viewed the show and it was well done.. Cheesy but well done..;). I have helped build our Federal group from 35 employees to now over 200, from 89million to now almost 500million. You will need to scale. Good luck!  If you are ever doing a road show in the East please let me know.

Regards,
 Rick Z.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks good. I work for a data storage company. We store PETABYTES of info for the Government and commercial space. Some agencies alone store over five plus PETABYTES of information on our equipment and growing.  So Ron, Do you use Data Storage? How much do you see it growing for you? Are you prepared for the growth? Who do you use EMC, NetApp, IBM, HP ect&#8230;? The way I see it is you will be storing PETABYTES some day soon if Earth Class Mail keeps going in this great direction for you. I viewed the show and it was well done.. Cheesy but well done..;). I have helped build our Federal group from 35 employees to now over 200, from 89million to now almost 500million. You will need to scale. Good luck!  If you are ever doing a road show in the East please let me know.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
 Rick Z.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact is; MOST people won’t want to part with $10 a month for someone else to manage their mail.&quot;

The fact is most people can&#039;t afford Neiman Marcus, Business class seats, and other high end stuff put the people who do surely make up for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact is; MOST people won’t want to part with $10 a month for someone else to manage their mail.&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact is most people can&#8217;t afford Neiman Marcus, Business class seats, and other high end stuff put the people who do surely make up for it.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a need for this.  It will get used.  But don&#039;t confuse that with the fact that MOST people won&#039;t use it.

The fact is; MOST people won&#039;t want to part with $10 a month for someone else to manage their mail. 

Do the math: it takes the &quot;average&quot; person no more than 10 mins a day to organize (remember you still have to &quot;deal&quot; with the mail - pay the bill, reply, etc, regardless of the service).  Some days people will only have flyers to recycle and it takes 5 mins.  So we are talking about $1 per min for 10 min so for most people you are paying a service $60 an hour to &quot;organize&quot; your mail.

Not a good value proposition for most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a need for this.  It will get used.  But don&#8217;t confuse that with the fact that MOST people won&#8217;t use it.</p>
<p>The fact is; MOST people won&#8217;t want to part with $10 a month for someone else to manage their mail. </p>
<p>Do the math: it takes the &#8220;average&#8221; person no more than 10 mins a day to organize (remember you still have to &#8220;deal&#8221; with the mail &#8211; pay the bill, reply, etc, regardless of the service).  Some days people will only have flyers to recycle and it takes 5 mins.  So we are talking about $1 per min for 10 min so for most people you are paying a service $60 an hour to &#8220;organize&#8221; your mail.</p>
<p>Not a good value proposition for most people.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1914389</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Eli, we will inded have check deposit in the near future.  First with Wells Fargo and Bank of America, and more banks will be added over time.  The checks will be deposited directly into your own bank account with no delay, using &quot;Check 21&quot; technology.  Spring &#039;08 release.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Eli, we will inded have check deposit in the near future.  First with Wells Fargo and Bank of America, and more banks will be added over time.  The checks will be deposited directly into your own bank account with no delay, using &#8220;Check 21&#8243; technology.  Spring &#8216;08 release.</p>
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		<title>By: StephTheGeek</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1914167</link>
		<dc:creator>StephTheGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eli, Ron mentioned in his comment that they&#039;re going to be doing cheque cashing in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eli, Ron mentioned in his comment that they&#8217;re going to be doing cheque cashing in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1912014</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RockStartup has been documenting controversial startup IZEA (payperpost) for over a year now.  Check it out at rockstartup.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RockStartup has been documenting controversial startup IZEA (payperpost) for over a year now.  Check it out at rockstartup.com.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1911881</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 21:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is great for those of us with addresses in multiple countries. The only major issue I see is getting checks in the mail. That still happens to some of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is great for those of us with addresses in multiple countries. The only major issue I see is getting checks in the mail. That still happens to some of us.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1911140</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, impressive reply, sheds much more light on your approach. I&#039;ll take my comments back.

Best of luck with your plans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, impressive reply, sheds much more light on your approach. I&#8217;ll take my comments back.</p>
<p>Best of luck with your plans.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/08/133-million-for-startup-that-wants-to-kill-snail-mail/comment-page-2/#comment-1910763</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon #48: Like many other comments I&#039;ve seen on this thread, you&#039;re perhaps jumping to conclusions about our service that are incorrect.  Let me try to clarify how Earth Class Mail actually works:

Our technology is all about giving mail recipients *choice* in how each piece of their mail is handled.  When we receive new mail we image front and back, in hi-res color, and present it to our customer on the web.  From there the user clicks to choose whether something is to be open-and-scanned, recycled, shredded, forward-shipped, transferred to someone else, or archived.  Shortly we&#039;ll be adding a feature to deposit checks found in the envelope directly into their own bank account at their own bank.  We *don&#039;t* open and scan every piece of mail - only those items which we are instructed to scan.  This ability to cache the physical mail until a choice is made by the customer is what makes us absolutely unique in the world (no European post office offers this service or anything like it, contrary to the other commentator). 

Let me clarify our employment policy.  When your confidential documents sit at a mortgage company or a law firm or hospital, practically any employee can get access to them.  The last paralegal to turn the lights out at the end of the day can rifle through any file cabinet.  90% of information theft occurs by employees who have access.  Those employees do not go through anything like the security screening that ours are required to.  We start with veterans (usually disabled - this is part of our corporate commitment) who previously held DOD clearances in the past (DOD clearances are invalid after they leave the military) because it&#039;s a good starting point... but we repeatedly conduct our own civilian equivalents of those clearance checks every six months, and then add things like credit check and other background screens.  They are bonded and insured.  They sign very robust non-disclosure agreements.  They are very closely monitored by supervisors and by the software running on their workstations.  I assure you that the $8/hr clerk behind the counter at MailBoxesEtc did not have any such screening, and neither did the many thousands of temp employees of the USPS hired during the holiday rush.

More importantly, all scanning is performed in a &quot;clean room&quot; environment.  The employees wear special pocketless uniforms, like casino workers.  They cannot carry any personal items into the clean room - no cell phone, no pencil and paper, no USB drive - nothing to record with.  They are in an isolated work cell - one worker at a time, one open piece of mail at a time.  There isn&#039;t even a phone or picture of the family on their desks.  So even if they could notice a social security number in the process of scanning a document they&#039;d have no way of recording it.  Everything they do is under surveillance.  In the near future we&#039;ll be introducing a feature called Documentary(tm) which will allow our customers to view their own documents being scanned.  In your business would your employees agree to wear pocketless uniforms instead of their nice clothes, and sit in front of a camera all day not speaking with any other co-workers?  Not very likely.

Any mail that is so confidential that a customer would not want even us to open it can of course be forwarded, still originally-sealed, to the customer.  

You say that the service &quot;adds costs&quot; but you do not explain how this is so.  Perhaps you haven&#039;t considered the true costs of renting a MailBoxesEtc box (much more than our entire bundled service plan costs) and that of driving cost and the value of your time to drive there.  Or for a London-based company to have to have an office and admin in NY just to receive mail in NY when they could instead just use our address, a VoIP phone and a website, efax and email to fully serve New York clientele remotely.  If you&#039;re talking about enterprise we slash a massive amount of cost out of the entire paper life cycle by converting paper - expensive to push and store - into electronic form, before it ever has the chance to clutter the company premises.  See our website for more information on cost savings if you&#039;re so inclined, but like I said to Mike, if it is &quot;expensive,&quot; then compared to what, exactly?  

Contrary to Mike&#039;s choice of title for his article on us, we are not out to &quot;kill snail mail.&quot;  NI bet you&#039;d be surprised to know that every year postal mail volume in this country grows by 3 billion pieces.  People have been predicting it will &quot;go away&quot; since the invention of the word processor, yet look inside your mailbox.o one and no thing - not even email - has put a dent in postal mail volume yet.  The average person only gets more mail every year, not less.  Our service allows customers to cut that back, and recycle 100% of mail they discard (the national average is about 20%), and shred - with a mouse click - what might otherwise be stolen by an identity thief. 

The key thing to keep in mind is that we did not design this service for every person and business out there.  Our target market is big enough will all the baby boomers (multiple homes, RVs, boats, airplanes), deployed military, road warrior consultants, hollywood crews, energy workers, expats, foreign based companies, large enterprises and government agencies we serve, to give but a small sample of our customer base.  15% of American households get their mail in a USPS PO Box... that alone is a huge market to serve, and we have virtually no competition going after it because of the immense technology that is required to make this entire process scalable.  Our competition is in the form of more expensive and inconvenient alternatives which are in use today.  When our target customers learn about us they often comment &quot;wish you guys invented this ten years ago - but i&#039;m thankful you finally did!&quot;  We&#039;re happy with that... we don&#039;t need Earth Class Mail to be used by every person on the planet to become a $1B company.  

Thanks for listening. -Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon #48: Like many other comments I&#8217;ve seen on this thread, you&#8217;re perhaps jumping to conclusions about our service that are incorrect.  Let me try to clarify how Earth Class Mail actually works:</p>
<p>Our technology is all about giving mail recipients *choice* in how each piece of their mail is handled.  When we receive new mail we image front and back, in hi-res color, and present it to our customer on the web.  From there the user clicks to choose whether something is to be open-and-scanned, recycled, shredded, forward-shipped, transferred to someone else, or archived.  Shortly we&#8217;ll be adding a feature to deposit checks found in the envelope directly into their own bank account at their own bank.  We *don&#8217;t* open and scan every piece of mail &#8211; only those items which we are instructed to scan.  This ability to cache the physical mail until a choice is made by the customer is what makes us absolutely unique in the world (no European post office offers this service or anything like it, contrary to the other commentator). </p>
<p>Let me clarify our employment policy.  When your confidential documents sit at a mortgage company or a law firm or hospital, practically any employee can get access to them.  The last paralegal to turn the lights out at the end of the day can rifle through any file cabinet.  90% of information theft occurs by employees who have access.  Those employees do not go through anything like the security screening that ours are required to.  We start with veterans (usually disabled &#8211; this is part of our corporate commitment) who previously held DOD clearances in the past (DOD clearances are invalid after they leave the military) because it&#8217;s a good starting point&#8230; but we repeatedly conduct our own civilian equivalents of those clearance checks every six months, and then add things like credit check and other background screens.  They are bonded and insured.  They sign very robust non-disclosure agreements.  They are very closely monitored by supervisors and by the software running on their workstations.  I assure you that the $8/hr clerk behind the counter at MailBoxesEtc did not have any such screening, and neither did the many thousands of temp employees of the USPS hired during the holiday rush.</p>
<p>More importantly, all scanning is performed in a &#8220;clean room&#8221; environment.  The employees wear special pocketless uniforms, like casino workers.  They cannot carry any personal items into the clean room &#8211; no cell phone, no pencil and paper, no USB drive &#8211; nothing to record with.  They are in an isolated work cell &#8211; one worker at a time, one open piece of mail at a time.  There isn&#8217;t even a phone or picture of the family on their desks.  So even if they could notice a social security number in the process of scanning a document they&#8217;d have no way of recording it.  Everything they do is under surveillance.  In the near future we&#8217;ll be introducing a feature called Documentary(tm) which will allow our customers to view their own documents being scanned.  In your business would your employees agree to wear pocketless uniforms instead of their nice clothes, and sit in front of a camera all day not speaking with any other co-workers?  Not very likely.</p>
<p>Any mail that is so confidential that a customer would not want even us to open it can of course be forwarded, still originally-sealed, to the customer.  </p>
<p>You say that the service &#8220;adds costs&#8221; but you do not explain how this is so.  Perhaps you haven&#8217;t considered the true costs of renting a MailBoxesEtc box (much more than our entire bundled service plan costs) and that of driving cost and the value of your time to drive there.  Or for a London-based company to have to have an office and admin in NY just to receive mail in NY when they could instead just use our address, a VoIP phone and a website, efax and email to fully serve New York clientele remotely.  If you&#8217;re talking about enterprise we slash a massive amount of cost out of the entire paper life cycle by converting paper &#8211; expensive to push and store &#8211; into electronic form, before it ever has the chance to clutter the company premises.  See our website for more information on cost savings if you&#8217;re so inclined, but like I said to Mike, if it is &#8220;expensive,&#8221; then compared to what, exactly?  </p>
<p>Contrary to Mike&#8217;s choice of title for his article on us, we are not out to &#8220;kill snail mail.&#8221;  NI bet you&#8217;d be surprised to know that every year postal mail volume in this country grows by 3 billion pieces.  People have been predicting it will &#8220;go away&#8221; since the invention of the word processor, yet look inside your mailbox.o one and no thing &#8211; not even email &#8211; has put a dent in postal mail volume yet.  The average person only gets more mail every year, not less.  Our service allows customers to cut that back, and recycle 100% of mail they discard (the national average is about 20%), and shred &#8211; with a mouse click &#8211; what might otherwise be stolen by an identity thief. </p>
<p>The key thing to keep in mind is that we did not design this service for every person and business out there.  Our target market is big enough will all the baby boomers (multiple homes, RVs, boats, airplanes), deployed military, road warrior consultants, hollywood crews, energy workers, expats, foreign based companies, large enterprises and government agencies we serve, to give but a small sample of our customer base.  15% of American households get their mail in a USPS PO Box&#8230; that alone is a huge market to serve, and we have virtually no competition going after it because of the immense technology that is required to make this entire process scalable.  Our competition is in the form of more expensive and inconvenient alternatives which are in use today.  When our target customers learn about us they often comment &#8220;wish you guys invented this ten years ago &#8211; but i&#8217;m thankful you finally did!&#8221;  We&#8217;re happy with that&#8230; we don&#8217;t need Earth Class Mail to be used by every person on the planet to become a $1B company.  </p>
<p>Thanks for listening. -Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Shanti Braford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanti Braford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across these guys when I was looking at mail forwarding solutions for expat startups.  (Europe here I come, baby)

Has anyone actually used the service here, &amp; could make a recommendation one way or another?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across these guys when I was looking at mail forwarding solutions for expat startups.  (Europe here I come, baby)</p>
<p>Has anyone actually used the service here, &amp; could make a recommendation one way or another?</p>
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