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		<title>By: Neuer webbasierter MP3-Player von Yahoo - The Inquirer DE</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-2425830</link>
		<dc:creator>Neuer webbasierter MP3-Player von Yahoo - The Inquirer DE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Get Ready for DRM-FREE 2008: Amazon, Napster, Sony, Yahoo Music &#124; Bob Caswell</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-2410908</link>
		<dc:creator>Get Ready for DRM-FREE 2008: Amazon, Napster, Sony, Yahoo Music &#124; Bob Caswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] agree with TechCrunch&#8217;s assessment that, &#8220;&#8230;it looks like Yahoo wants to spearhead an effort to create open standards [...]</description>
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		<title>By: www.teletubis.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo Loses Its Musical Soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.teletubis.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Yahoo Loses Its Musical Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had big plans for Yahoo Music and oversaw the sale of their subscription music service to Rhapsody. His team also [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hey! We made up awards too!! Introducing: The Quiet Revolutionaries at a quiet revolution</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1952961</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey! We made up awards too!! Introducing: The Quiet Revolutionaries at a quiet revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 04:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TechCrunch thinks Yahoo! is up to something big in music and others are already asking if Ian Rogers is the one who can help save music. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sudara</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1943004</link>
		<dc:creator>sudara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;iTunes is nothing more than the application of old business models &quot;

iTunes fills the transition, but is an &#039;old-world&#039; product. Charging for something on a per-item basis on works with physical items and scarcity. Can&#039;t charge for dirt, now can you? Ok, maybe high quality dirt. But virtual dirt? 

What is a new world product? 

http://alonetone.com

Shameless plug (I built this), but it is true. No money, no ads. Just music. Where is the business model? What business model? There&#039;s no money in selling online music! Get over it. Lets say its a &#039;finally musicians can run their own show&#039; model or &#039;normal everyday musicians from the last 40 years were shafted by industry&#039; model or &#039;we are liberated and not so interested in getting jailed by some techies scheme of using us&#039; model.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;iTunes is nothing more than the application of old business models &#8221;</p>
<p>iTunes fills the transition, but is an &#8216;old-world&#8217; product. Charging for something on a per-item basis on works with physical items and scarcity. Can&#8217;t charge for dirt, now can you? Ok, maybe high quality dirt. But virtual dirt? </p>
<p>What is a new world product? </p>
<p><a href="http://alonetone.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://alonetone.com'>http://alonetone.com</a></p>
<p>Shameless plug (I built this), but it is true. No money, no ads. Just music. Where is the business model? What business model? There&#8217;s no money in selling online music! Get over it. Lets say its a &#8216;finally musicians can run their own show&#8217; model or &#8216;normal everyday musicians from the last 40 years were shafted by industry&#8217; model or &#8216;we are liberated and not so interested in getting jailed by some techies scheme of using us&#8217; model.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Yahoo May Be Looking To Buy Israel&#8217;s FoxyTunes</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1927247</link>
		<dc:creator>Yahoo May Be Looking To Buy Israel&#8217;s FoxyTunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] acquisition makes some sense given Yahoo recent overt signals that they are shaking things up in music. Last week they launched a new, stripped down, easy-to-use [...]</description>
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		<title>By: kP</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1907037</link>
		<dc:creator>kP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 16:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Suggested Yahoo actions if they decide to go this direction:

1) create a cross reference of content across sources - allowing people to find a given cut of a song across the provider of their choice - Smells Like Teen Spirit on Amazon, versus from Rhapsody, versus some other channel.  The point being, if someone wants to find a given cut, they want it from where they are familiar.  This will allow the sharing of playlists without the inclusion of actual content.  This will also dovetail into semantic web behaviors, comparison shopping, etc.

2) Allow JamGlue style remixes to be created from already legally licensed content.  Because the music is legally licensed, the reuse of it, i.e., the listening of it in a new or different way, is allowed, and so, if a listener has legally licensed all of the components of a remix, then the user should be allowed to render that remix for their listening pleasure.  

To get a good idea of how powerful these remixes are, take a listen to the Bootie &quot;best of&quot; albums, available here for 2005, 6 &amp; 7: http://www.bootieusa.com/bestofbootie2007/

3) Just as 2 (above) allowed for the legal combination of new compositions from existing material, a listener should be allowed to decompose a purchased song into a ring tone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suggested Yahoo actions if they decide to go this direction:</p>
<p>1) create a cross reference of content across sources &#8211; allowing people to find a given cut of a song across the provider of their choice &#8211; Smells Like Teen Spirit on Amazon, versus from Rhapsody, versus some other channel.  The point being, if someone wants to find a given cut, they want it from where they are familiar.  This will allow the sharing of playlists without the inclusion of actual content.  This will also dovetail into semantic web behaviors, comparison shopping, etc.</p>
<p>2) Allow JamGlue style remixes to be created from already legally licensed content.  Because the music is legally licensed, the reuse of it, i.e., the listening of it in a new or different way, is allowed, and so, if a listener has legally licensed all of the components of a remix, then the user should be allowed to render that remix for their listening pleasure.  </p>
<p>To get a good idea of how powerful these remixes are, take a listen to the Bootie &#8220;best of&#8221; albums, available here for 2005, 6 &amp; 7: <a href="http://www.bootieusa.com/bestofbootie2007/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.bootieusa.com/bestofbootie2007/'>http://www.boot...stofbootie2007/</a></p>
<p>3) Just as 2 (above) allowed for the legal combination of new compositions from existing material, a listener should be allowed to decompose a purchased song into a ring tone.</p>
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		<title>By: Miles</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1905881</link>
		<dc:creator>Miles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all sweeping statements there will be those who agree and those who do not but let&#039;s look at the evidence: Yahoo! is a huge company that has grown from grassroots to internet super tanker in 13 years. It is now so big it’s simply not agile enough to innovate and in reality all employees know this. Invariably now it buys to innovate (witness Flickr, JumpCut, Right Media etc). Its global footprint is one of the reasons why it&#039;s music channel is the largest - it&#039;s that way by default (in the same way as AOL&#039;s music channel is second worldwide). Is size the only metric? Just ask the Yahoo! employee above how long users actually spend in the channel. Yahoo! is a master at channelling us/users/internet traffic around the myriad of sites it owns and operates - so it can &#039;own&#039; content areas. At the end of the day it sets out to be first or second in every market in terms of volume of users. If these users only spend one minute in channel: So what? That&#039;s an impression to sell. And ad monies are the lifeblood to the exec board as they effectively report to Wall Street every three months (even more so at present with the share price at historic lows). I really hope Mr Yang has the gravitas to pull the company out of this financial reporting straightjacket because it does have some visionaries still in residence but eventually if Wall Street controls visionaries go elsewhere (and invariably in the digital space, start up).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all sweeping statements there will be those who agree and those who do not but let&#8217;s look at the evidence: Yahoo! is a huge company that has grown from grassroots to internet super tanker in 13 years. It is now so big it’s simply not agile enough to innovate and in reality all employees know this. Invariably now it buys to innovate (witness Flickr, JumpCut, Right Media etc). Its global footprint is one of the reasons why it&#8217;s music channel is the largest &#8211; it&#8217;s that way by default (in the same way as AOL&#8217;s music channel is second worldwide). Is size the only metric? Just ask the Yahoo! employee above how long users actually spend in the channel. Yahoo! is a master at channelling us/users/internet traffic around the myriad of sites it owns and operates &#8211; so it can &#8216;own&#8217; content areas. At the end of the day it sets out to be first or second in every market in terms of volume of users. If these users only spend one minute in channel: So what? That&#8217;s an impression to sell. And ad monies are the lifeblood to the exec board as they effectively report to Wall Street every three months (even more so at present with the share price at historic lows). I really hope Mr Yang has the gravitas to pull the company out of this financial reporting straightjacket because it does have some visionaries still in residence but eventually if Wall Street controls visionaries go elsewhere (and invariably in the digital space, start up).</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904600</link>
		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna second what Mike D. said... morale is not bad here.  We love working for Yahoo!, specifically because there are people like Ian and many others who inspire us everyday.  We&#039;re excited about the direction the company is moving in and proud to be working for the most popular website in the world.  Is Google championing the Open Media Web?  I must&#039;ve missed them at the last Songbird meetup...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna second what Mike D. said&#8230; morale is not bad here.  We love working for Yahoo!, specifically because there are people like Ian and many others who inspire us everyday.  We&#8217;re excited about the direction the company is moving in and proud to be working for the most popular website in the world.  Is Google championing the Open Media Web?  I must&#8217;ve missed them at the last Songbird meetup&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TechConsumer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904599</link>
		<dc:creator>TechConsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Get Ready for DRM-FREE 2008: Amazon, Napster, Sony, Yahoo Music...&lt;/strong&gt;

Last year around this same time I wrote on the then current companies killing DRM (Digital Rights Management, music with restrictions). Coincidentally, this year has the month of January giving us even more news on the battle-for-unrestricted-music fro...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Get Ready for DRM-FREE 2008: Amazon, Napster, Sony, Yahoo Music&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Last year around this same time I wrote on the then current companies killing DRM (Digital Rights Management, music with restrictions). Coincidentally, this year has the month of January giving us even more news on the battle-for-unrestricted-music fro&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: david hyman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904488</link>
		<dc:creator>david hyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s all hold hands and join forces with yahoo. yeeehaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s all hold hands and join forces with yahoo. yeeehaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904450</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 01:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s not much here...yet...to comment on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s not much here&#8230;yet&#8230;to comment on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: best term life insurance company</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904123</link>
		<dc:creator>best term life insurance company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When all else fails, try some music...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When all else fails, try some music&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrano</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904082</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I am a huge fan of my all-you-can-eat subscription based service (Yahoo Music Unlimited).

I hope it doesn&#039;t tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I am a huge fan of my all-you-can-eat subscription based service (Yahoo Music Unlimited).</p>
<p>I hope it doesn&#8217;t tank.</p>
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		<title>By: being responsible</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904064</link>
		<dc:creator>being responsible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a Yahoo short, this is like music to my ears :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a Yahoo short, this is like music to my ears <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: acne cream</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1904063</link>
		<dc:creator>acne cream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another Yahoo flop about to happen...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another Yahoo flop about to happen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mmt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903946</link>
		<dc:creator>mmt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>free is an admission by yahoo that it failed to innovate.  the world can only support so many free products.  free is an option when you don&#039;t have the ability to create something people want to pay for.  i applaud apple for this.  they understand that by creating great products they can get people to pay, and pay a premium.

if music goes free what ancillary products are artists going to advertise?  cars?  they might be advertising supported soon.  

once a downturn in the ad market comes (and it will come) many of these free products will disappear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>free is an admission by yahoo that it failed to innovate.  the world can only support so many free products.  free is an option when you don&#8217;t have the ability to create something people want to pay for.  i applaud apple for this.  they understand that by creating great products they can get people to pay, and pay a premium.</p>
<p>if music goes free what ancillary products are artists going to advertise?  cars?  they might be advertising supported soon.  </p>
<p>once a downturn in the ad market comes (and it will come) many of these free products will disappear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike D.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903861</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 Stone - I don&#039;t know who you know, but I have been working at Y! Music for more than 2 years, and I love it, as does everyone on my team.  I couldn&#039;t imagine a much better place to work, and Ian is a fantastic person to have at the helm.  We all have a lot of faith in him.  That&#039;s a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 Stone &#8211; I don&#8217;t know who you know, but I have been working at Y! Music for more than 2 years, and I love it, as does everyone on my team.  I couldn&#8217;t imagine a much better place to work, and Ian is a fantastic person to have at the helm.  We all have a lot of faith in him.  That&#8217;s a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: David Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure hope it sucks less than the present &#039;integrated&#039; Sansa Connect service. Great in theory but software is a processor hog and buggy, and the DRM is a huge pain (haven&#039;t logged on for a couple of weeks...ooops...no license to listen...). iPod/iTunes has issues but its waaaay out in front in usability.
Pandora www.pandora.com added classical selections recently making it the first tab I open in Firefox every day. Maybe Yahoo needs to talk to &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope it sucks less than the present &#8216;integrated&#8217; Sansa Connect service. Great in theory but software is a processor hog and buggy, and the DRM is a huge pain (haven&#8217;t logged on for a couple of weeks&#8230;ooops&#8230;no license to listen&#8230;). iPod/iTunes has issues but its waaaay out in front in usability.<br />
Pandora <a href="http://www.pandora.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.pandora.com'>http://www.pandora.com</a> added classical selections recently making it the first tab I open in Firefox every day. Maybe Yahoo needs to talk to &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903835</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A product that satisfies the desires expressed in comments #15 and #17 would really be something.  And if Yahoo! somehow brought a good team together for this they could do a great job.

Unfortunately, great jobs and Yahoo! don&#039;t go together these days.  Yahoo!&#039;s initial music service client app was a disaster (spawning new screens ad infinitum until CTRL-ALT-DEL stopped it), and their online payment system has been badly managed as well.  

If their products weren&#039;t bad enough, their marketing (especially PR) teams have performed as if they are embarrassed for the products and are actually trying to hide them.

Come to think of it, Yahoo! and MSFT vs Google has begun to appear like a cheesy horror film, where Yahoo! and MSFT are the two dumb teens doing Darwin Award-worthy stupid stuff while Google chases them around.  To push it too far, Yahoo! is the cute girl, since we in the audience are willing to root against MSFT.

No more caffeine this morning....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A product that satisfies the desires expressed in comments #15 and #17 would really be something.  And if Yahoo! somehow brought a good team together for this they could do a great job.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, great jobs and Yahoo! don&#8217;t go together these days.  Yahoo!&#8217;s initial music service client app was a disaster (spawning new screens ad infinitum until CTRL-ALT-DEL stopped it), and their online payment system has been badly managed as well.  </p>
<p>If their products weren&#8217;t bad enough, their marketing (especially PR) teams have performed as if they are embarrassed for the products and are actually trying to hide them.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, Yahoo! and MSFT vs Google has begun to appear like a cheesy horror film, where Yahoo! and MSFT are the two dumb teens doing Darwin Award-worthy stupid stuff while Google chases them around.  To push it too far, Yahoo! is the cute girl, since we in the audience are willing to root against MSFT.</p>
<p>No more caffeine this morning&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: teddy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903804</link>
		<dc:creator>teddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we forgetting that the majority of people are not buying music? Linking to Amazon is not a business model that scales. The music business is dominated by peer to peer platforms that continue to grow, and will begin to provide a more efficient vehicle for not only music, but the proliferation of music related video content. Music is to a great degree free now, but certainly in the near future music will provide a promotional platform for artists to sell ancillary products and tickets. Yahoo is not in a position to compete with this, and does not have the back end to accommodate this market. I agree with a previous post, Ian should leave Yahoo and do his own gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we forgetting that the majority of people are not buying music? Linking to Amazon is not a business model that scales. The music business is dominated by peer to peer platforms that continue to grow, and will begin to provide a more efficient vehicle for not only music, but the proliferation of music related video content. Music is to a great degree free now, but certainly in the near future music will provide a promotional platform for artists to sell ancillary products and tickets. Yahoo is not in a position to compete with this, and does not have the back end to accommodate this market. I agree with a previous post, Ian should leave Yahoo and do his own gig.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903788</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if this somehow ties into what RLord and crew are doing over at Songbird?  Ian and Rob have a long history of successful collaborations - wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder if this somehow ties into what RLord and crew are doing over at Songbird?  Ian and Rob have a long history of successful collaborations &#8211; wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see another.</p>
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		<title>By: headcoach</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903751</link>
		<dc:creator>headcoach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trust is the main thing and a big hurdle to leap.  Yahoo! is a big company, with a big bank account and a big reputation for trying to be all things to all people snd that does not exactly working in their favor. 

besides, all things being equal (as it is becoming with the the crumbling of the Great Wall of DRM), leadership makes the difference.  my best wishes Ian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trust is the main thing and a big hurdle to leap.  Yahoo! is a big company, with a big bank account and a big reputation for trying to be all things to all people snd that does not exactly working in their favor. </p>
<p>besides, all things being equal (as it is becoming with the the crumbling of the Great Wall of DRM), leadership makes the difference.  my best wishes Ian.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wexler</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903748</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 20:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I laughed when I read Ian Rogers called for sanity in the music industry, but I fully commend him for it.

I agree with &quot;all music, all places, all times&quot;, but just like the power of major record labels, subscription services are also a thing of the past. As a parallel indication, the last of the major online newsources, The Wall Street Journal, will even be shifting gears in the very near future to join the others as advertisement-based.

I think Yahoo creating a MUSIC platform, considering as Mike said they are &quot;the world&#039;s largest music site&quot;, would be phenomenal! Along with 2 others, I have been developing my own social network music website centered around providing the ultimate resource or furthering music discovery, and attaching ourselves with Yahoo (if they provide a platform) could well be an option down the road. 

Sounds like Rogers is heading in the right direction. Very interested to hear what&#039;s in store..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed when I read Ian Rogers called for sanity in the music industry, but I fully commend him for it.</p>
<p>I agree with &#8220;all music, all places, all times&#8221;, but just like the power of major record labels, subscription services are also a thing of the past. As a parallel indication, the last of the major online newsources, The Wall Street Journal, will even be shifting gears in the very near future to join the others as advertisement-based.</p>
<p>I think Yahoo creating a MUSIC platform, considering as Mike said they are &#8220;the world&#8217;s largest music site&#8221;, would be phenomenal! Along with 2 others, I have been developing my own social network music website centered around providing the ultimate resource or furthering music discovery, and attaching ourselves with Yahoo (if they provide a platform) could well be an option down the road. </p>
<p>Sounds like Rogers is heading in the right direction. Very interested to hear what&#8217;s in store..</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/01/07/yahoo-is-clearly-up-to-something-big-around-music/comment-page-1/#comment-1903531</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m clearly in a minority (longtime user of subscription services). But for me, the fundamental goal of all services is simple: we should be able to listen to any song ever recorded, wherever and whenever we want. It&#039;s a goal that can&#039;t ever be reached, to be sure, but it&#039;s a worthwhile goal nonetheless. One I am willing to pay for, which is why I subscribe to music services that give me access to enormous catalogs. The current solutions are far from perfect, and I welcome any move, by Yahoo or whoever, that improves upon current models. But the goal should remain the same: all music, all places, all times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m clearly in a minority (longtime user of subscription services). But for me, the fundamental goal of all services is simple: we should be able to listen to any song ever recorded, wherever and whenever we want. It&#8217;s a goal that can&#8217;t ever be reached, to be sure, but it&#8217;s a worthwhile goal nonetheless. One I am willing to pay for, which is why I subscribe to music services that give me access to enormous catalogs. The current solutions are far from perfect, and I welcome any move, by Yahoo or whoever, that improves upon current models. But the goal should remain the same: all music, all places, all times.</p>
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