dont be brainwashed, this firewall has nothing to do with whatever the governments say it has to do with, coz it DOES NOT WORK*, so what remains is that the government wants to put up something they can use to further censor the net in days to come, mark my words.

*ppl who want to get this shit the governments are talking about will, coz this firewall is useless if you got any technical knowhow. but ppl who dont know how to bypass the firewall will with time get weird anomalys caused by false positives and other technical errors that happend to close access sites the government does not look favorably upon.

there are examples about ISP’s pulling stunts like this and your can bet your grandma that the government would not be less willing to pulæl these stunts too, example is AOL who hindered access to a site called http://www.dearAOL.com cause of the critic AOL nature of the site, now just go download netnanny and suck on your thumb, cause some firewall will not protect children from being misused, only your eyes from seeing the truth.

“As an American, I find this incredibly useful: the next time I hear smack talk by some Australian guy lol-ing because he thinks his government / country is better than mine, well…

I’m just going to point him to “The Internet is Kiddy Porn” Conroy and keep moving.”

Riiight. So an idiot Labor Senator (and floundering ‘New Leadership’) makes up for a century of avaricious war-mongering by your social and economic elites, political and military meddling in the affairs of countries who are only linked to yours via “free trade”, a completely shoddy election system and an apathetic public too busy consulting Dr. Phil rather than getting off their butts and voting, a constituency that is content to let a moronic marionet act as their President, a media that purports to merely ‘follow’ the election but effectively decides it before polling day even arrives… not to mention your crap health care system, selective education system (lets pay half a million dollars for college!), a really disturbing identity crisis, environmental degradation not only to your own country but also to the rest of the planet… gah I’m running out of breath here.

Look. Rudd is a stooge, I didn’t vote for that smarmy pigeon but unfortunately enough people were sucked in to his US-style electioneering campaign and now he’s PM. Furthermore, Australia is far from perfect, we have many many problems. But you need your logic checked out if you believe that this “policy” (if it can so be called) somehow equates to a political or public system as lacking as yours. I’m not anti-American as an absolute, but I think certain things are important in a society, and a country that doesn’t have these things I view as developing or quite simply deficient.

In any event, this move by Rudd is another blunder, and will possibly alienate even his own voters - which is good, with luck Labor wont last long, Liberal will have learned their lesson, and we can get back to rational government.

About the Swedish bittorentsite incident
http://blog.brokep.com/2007/07/13/pat-on-the-head/

A Video with few ways on how to get past firewalls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Distributing informations like this makes the logic behind the firewall weak.

and just one example of a site that might not be accessible in future world of firewalls http://www.tamil.net/ coz one mans freedomfighter is another mans terrorist.

as an activist against this, I and other fellow activists have concluded these firewalls being raised are tools the governments intend also to use possibly on other sexsites and “Gray Areas” such as bittorent sites, an example in Sweden has already confirmed this whereas http://thepiratebay.org/ a famous Swedish bittorentsite had been blocked by the “kiddyporn” firewall there, http://thepiratebay.org/ intends to sue those responsible for false accusations about “kiddyporn”.

Mind you this is all being done with the consent of the ISP here they are not obligated by law to put up this kind of firewall.. yet!

http://www.senatorconroy.com/message.htm

Interpol spends mega bucks trying to catch (and more importantly prosecute) pedophiles - Surely no sane person familiar with the internet and the ability of spammers etc to work around such devices, really think that any net filter is going to do anything that significantly helps that effort.

Clearly not so we need to look for another motive.

Perhaps Stephen Conroy is positioning himself to be the publisher of Chairman Rudd’s “little red book”

“Blocked” ? “Blocked” ??!?!? That would be uh … the sort of censorship you are condemning no ?

Duncan, you are a cunt.
(just exercising my freedom of speech you understand)

I am sure mr. Michael Jackson from Sony Music would indeed disagree with such type of prejudice.

“If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd Labor Government is going to disagree.”

No one equates freedom of speech with watching kiddie porn, only the Australian Government does.

I think you must have misunderstood the quote Duncan. The quote clearly states that if freedom of speech equals watching child porn the government *DISAGREES*

1. “If people equate freedom of speech with watching child pornography, then the Rudd Labor Government is going to disagree” is not an example of the “government equating freedom of speech to liking kiddie porn”

2. “Labor makes no apologies to those who argue that any regulation of the internet is like going down the Chinese road” does not constitute the government admitting “to taking lessons from China”

There are enough sensationalist tabloids on the news stands already. I don’t need Techcrunch to become one as well.

Unfortunately, there are plenty of Deborah’s out there, thats just the way it is and thats why the world is the way it is. You folks in AU think you are alone in the long suffering of the Deborah syndrome but you aren’t. We in the US are always racing with you in implementing similarily naive policies doomed to failure. You just happen to be racing ahead just a bit this week.

I’m just going to point him to “The Internet is Kiddy Porn” Conroy and keep moving.

Thanks for offering an alternative viewpoint and standing up for your opinion. I also think this issue is not that clear, although most people here are so shocked ‘n awed by terms like “freedom of speech” that they don’t even know what it means.

Australian parents speaking. We completely trust our ability to limit our children’s access to things we find offensive. Maybe you do not trust your parenting skills, but we trust our skill. So please stop claiming that everyone in your position has the same viewpoint as you do.

There are two changes to this stupid proposition of a law that are needed before we would get on board. First is the obvious “Opt In” instead of opt out. The second is the ability to set daily times for the limits to kick in. If we feel the need in the future to have a complete block, then we would like for the block to be set from 7am to 10pm daily. Other people may want different start/end times, so let the parents negotiate with the ISP individual for their own start/stop times. If the net is going to be censored like the TV, then they should at least have viewing times for the children and viewing times for the adults.

In fact, this seems like the people proposing this law change, are thinking of the interests of TV companies. The net is a direct threat to the profit margins of TV companies. If you crippled the net, people would be likely to switch back to viewing TV in primetime.

Are you volunteering as an advocate of this over protection? If our overprotected children turn out with anxiety disorders, you obviously do not mind when we sue you for the treatment, and punitive damages.

Your overprotection of your children is called child abuse. Maybe someone should move to create legislation banning over protective parenting? Over protective parenting does not equip the children socially, mentally, or emotionally for adult life.

Here is a life lesson for you. People generally have the common decency not to demand to make you a criminal, but people like you do not have the common decency to resist calling for laws to make anyone who believes differently into a criminal. Your behavior is not moral, it is not even the behavior of a person who has a maturity past 13 years old. Were you an overprotected child? Did you not develop any sense that you were part of a community? You are PART of a community, you are not THE community.

I fully expect a person like yourself to bring up the child pornography strawman. If people do not agree with you, accuse them by association and then bully them into silence. Since most child molesters choose to take jobs that get them close to children and puts them into a position of trust, maybe we need to ban teachers, priests, police, etc.? There have been recent cases of pedophiles in all of these professions. If censoring the net is so important to the protection of your children, why have you not gone straight to the source of the trouble, and asked for the banning of all these professions? The net is not going to molest your children, but there is a real chance a teacher or police officer may.