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	<title>Comments on: Subvert And Profit Unapologetically Targets YouTube</title>
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		<title>By: Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saying adios to 2007</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1889894</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc&#8217;s Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Saying adios to 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Subvert and Profit - this is the kind of people who get funded by VCs [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1889784</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tempting. You'd think we'd get on Digg &#38; StumbleUpon without help but so far we don't seem to have made much of an impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tempting. You&#8217;d think we&#8217;d get on Digg &amp; StumbleUpon without help but so far we don&#8217;t seem to have made much of an impact.</p>
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		<title>By: Silicon Valley</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1889630</link>
		<dc:creator>Silicon Valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=b4NbOdeOGM4
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how many of these 2007 top 10 were helped by services like the one in the post.

It would be interesting to take  poll among TechCrunch readers for their picks on which ones were given a push.  :-D

&lt;b&gt;Any one care to take a stab at it? &lt;/b&gt;</description>
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=b4NbOdeOGM4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=b4NbOdeOGM4</a><br />
</b><br />
how many of these 2007 top 10 were helped by services like the one in the post.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to take  poll among TechCrunch readers for their picks on which ones were given a push.  <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Any one care to take a stab at it? </b></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1889237</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unreal. They removed my initial comment. 

What a bunch of babies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unreal. They removed my initial comment. </p>
<p>What a bunch of babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Vaibhav</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1889168</link>
		<dc:creator>Vaibhav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, for all those arguing the usefulness of this 'service' and why would anyone want to use it: I signed up a while ago and I used to get an 'assignment' almost every other day; this means that there are enough people using it anyway.

I guess this article is going to make the 9000 count jump up to more subscribers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, for all those arguing the usefulness of this &#8217;service&#8217; and why would anyone want to use it: I signed up a while ago and I used to get an &#8216;assignment&#8217; almost every other day; this means that there are enough people using it anyway.</p>
<p>I guess this article is going to make the 9000 count jump up to more subscribers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Locken</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1888579</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Locken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to TechCrunch for reporting this, even though they don't agree with the methods etc used by this company.

Good journalism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to TechCrunch for reporting this, even though they don&#8217;t agree with the methods etc used by this company.</p>
<p>Good journalism</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1888441</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't this argue for some FOAF-based filtering layer to site recommendations?  Sounds like another Facebook API, or at least another feature set for Stumbleupon, Digg and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t this argue for some FOAF-based filtering layer to site recommendations?  Sounds like another Facebook API, or at least another feature set for Stumbleupon, Digg and others.</p>
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		<title>By: PJ</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1888244</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sale Digg vote $500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sale Digg vote $500.</p>
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		<title>By: xenbet</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1887714</link>
		<dc:creator>xenbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its market forces.

How is what Subvert any different from other PR or advertising business's ?

End of the day its another way to advertise and like somebody said alot of voting on those sites are based around "friends voting for each other " so you end up with rubbish on the front pages anyhow.


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www.xenbet.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its market forces.</p>
<p>How is what Subvert any different from other PR or advertising business&#8217;s ?</p>
<p>End of the day its another way to advertise and like somebody said alot of voting on those sites are based around &#8220;friends voting for each other &#8221; so you end up with rubbish on the front pages anyhow.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
<a href="http://www.xenbet.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.xenbet.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: EBH</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886976</link>
		<dc:creator>EBH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886976</guid>
		<description>I am loosing more and more respect for Techcrunch and Arlington.  People, including some VCs, are now openly talking about how he has written for them, and a lot of companies he is writing about are just crap;  some he has invested in with small disclaimers -- many have failed.  Take a look at the so called Crunchies as an example.  What a shame :-(

Apparently there is no honor among rats either.  First Arlington puts up a duche (Dan Greenberg) from Stanford to tell all how to cheat the system.  I get to call him a duche, because I went to Stanford, and people like him are a scorn.  Then Arlington is so effective at pomping up this duche as a video expert that the duche actually shows up on TV and puntificates non-sense like a scared rat.  What does Michael A do?  He advertises it on his site.

Now Arlington is complaining and trying to get rid of the competition, while playing holier than thou!!!  Is he trying to corner the "push marketing" sector?  Why such double standards -- when it comes to other pay per post site or fake endorsement sites?

Look at the votes on Crunchies, again.  Many of the companies listed there are in private beta!  but magically they get a lot of votes.  Others have incomplete or non-functioning sites.  And many are connected to friendly hidden sources.

Now a duche like Greenberg wouldn't try to game the Crunchies (not 1/100 as sophisticated as Digg -- the logos are not connected to any links!!!), now would he?  No trust and honor among rats?

It is a real shame...  I used to really like techcrunch :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am loosing more and more respect for Techcrunch and Arlington.  People, including some VCs, are now openly talking about how he has written for them, and a lot of companies he is writing about are just crap;  some he has invested in with small disclaimers &#8212; many have failed.  Take a look at the so called Crunchies as an example.  What a shame <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Apparently there is no honor among rats either.  First Arlington puts up a duche (Dan Greenberg) from Stanford to tell all how to cheat the system.  I get to call him a duche, because I went to Stanford, and people like him are a scorn.  Then Arlington is so effective at pomping up this duche as a video expert that the duche actually shows up on TV and puntificates non-sense like a scared rat.  What does Michael A do?  He advertises it on his site.</p>
<p>Now Arlington is complaining and trying to get rid of the competition, while playing holier than thou!!!  Is he trying to corner the &#8220;push marketing&#8221; sector?  Why such double standards &#8212; when it comes to other pay per post site or fake endorsement sites?</p>
<p>Look at the votes on Crunchies, again.  Many of the companies listed there are in private beta!  but magically they get a lot of votes.  Others have incomplete or non-functioning sites.  And many are connected to friendly hidden sources.</p>
<p>Now a duche like Greenberg wouldn&#8217;t try to game the Crunchies (not 1/100 as sophisticated as Digg &#8212; the logos are not connected to any links!!!), now would he?  No trust and honor among rats?</p>
<p>It is a real shame&#8230;  I used to really like techcrunch <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David Litsky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886925</link>
		<dc:creator>David Litsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 (Chris)
"You just won the “you get it” award of the day. If there is demand and money to be made block those “sleazy shenanigans” then great. I hope someone will do it!"

The key is moderation. It works on irc, it works for webforums, and it will work in the blogosphere. 

@17 (Jon)
"There will always be those who look for a quick way of achieving “success”, whether it’s sports, relationships or even… god forbid… the internet. I believe earned success is worth far more then cheated success… they will get their comings soon enough."

integrity, consistency, and sustainability, that's the key to long term success. The problem with information markets is that the good AND the negative move rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 (Chris)<br />
&#8220;You just won the “you get it” award of the day. If there is demand and money to be made block those “sleazy shenanigans” then great. I hope someone will do it!&#8221;</p>
<p>The key is moderation. It works on irc, it works for webforums, and it will work in the blogosphere. </p>
<p>@17 (Jon)<br />
&#8220;There will always be those who look for a quick way of achieving “success”, whether it’s sports, relationships or even… god forbid… the internet. I believe earned success is worth far more then cheated success… they will get their comings soon enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>integrity, consistency, and sustainability, that&#8217;s the key to long term success. The problem with information markets is that the good AND the negative move rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886857</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886857</guid>
		<description>After using social sites like digg and stumbleupon and getting a fair amount of traffic from both I'm convinced that creating endless copies of the same content is the business plan of some. Sites like digg and stumbleupon have limited protection against repeated content and the influx of new users prevents any kind of social editorial control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After using social sites like digg and stumbleupon and getting a fair amount of traffic from both I&#8217;m convinced that creating endless copies of the same content is the business plan of some. Sites like digg and stumbleupon have limited protection against repeated content and the influx of new users prevents any kind of social editorial control.</p>
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		<title>By: Search◊ Engines Web</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886846</link>
		<dc:creator>Search◊ Engines Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886846</guid>
		<description>Anyone who REALLY analyzes the current topics that make the Digg homepage and Reddit as well as those that become extremely popular on YouTube, can see the effects of ....

Top Members using clout (this has also worked for TechCrunch and Lifehacker)
Videos by Music Celebrities  &#38; Comedians getting big pushes from PR firms
Ron Paul's social networking backers voting in full force


These sites have not been truly democratic in a long time and just like search engine result pages are  being influenced by search engine optimization, social networking sites will be manipulated by innovative and powerful promoters seeking to maximize their profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who REALLY analyzes the current topics that make the Digg homepage and Reddit as well as those that become extremely popular on YouTube, can see the effects of &#8230;.</p>
<p>Top Members using clout (this has also worked for TechCrunch and Lifehacker)<br />
Videos by Music Celebrities  &amp; Comedians getting big pushes from PR firms<br />
Ron Paul&#8217;s social networking backers voting in full force</p>
<p>These sites have not been truly democratic in a long time and just like search engine result pages are  being influenced by search engine optimization, social networking sites will be manipulated by innovative and powerful promoters seeking to maximize their profit.</p>
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		<title>By: 42mb.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886804</link>
		<dc:creator>42mb.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The youtube video should have a ranking system to vote the favorite video rather than commenting section which have mostly spam posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The youtube video should have a ranking system to vote the favorite video rather than commenting section which have mostly spam posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jurado</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886798</link>
		<dc:creator>Jurado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886798</guid>
		<description>Interactive Times Square Sign Will Show Americans’                                                      Messages of Thanks to the Troops
“Operation New Year’s Eve” Text Messaging Campaign Launches                                      This Weekend 12/29/07 – 01/01/08

NEW YORK -Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation’s first and largest nonpartisan organization for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is taking part in “Operation New Year's Eve,” an exciting holiday campaign that lets Americans send text messages in support of U.S. troops to a sign in Times Square.   

Supporters can send text messages to 94444 (keyword ‘care’ space ‘then your message’).  All messages will be collected by “Operation New Year’s Eve” and broadcast on a digital LED screen at the top of 4 Times Square, the tallest building in New York’s Times Square.  

More than a million people are expected to gather in Times Square for the News Year’s Eve celebration, with an additional 50 million Americans watching at home.  The messages will be broadcast worldwide via a live video stream at www.operationnewyearseve.org or www.textthanks.org.  

Sign Lab Media and The Durst Organization are proudly sponsoring “Operation New Year’s Eve,” in association with Fountainhead.com, who designed and delivered the technology for the event.  $.99 will be charged to users’ phones for each text message sent.  A portion of the proceeds will be donated to Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). 

“Operation New Year’s Eve’ provides Americans with a fantastic way to show support for U.S. service members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  It’s critical that amidst all the celebration, we stop to think about the men and women who are away from their families and in harm’s way,” said Paul Rieckhoff, IAVA Executive Director. “We are grateful to The Durst Organization, Sign Lab Media and Fountainhead.com for sponsoring such an innovative campaign to help Americans say thank you.”

Rob MacMillan, CEO of Sign Lab Media, is producing this historic event.  A former Reservist, he intends to draw upon the Internet and social networks to lead the charge.  “This is a profoundly simple, yet powerful way for all Americans to connect with the men and women serving overseas.”
 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) is the nation’s first and largest group for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  A non-profit and nonpartisan organization, IAVA represents more than 70,000 veteran members and civilian supporters in all 50 states. For more information, please contact : Bill Nestel, Sign Lab Media (514) 543-6929 or zumabill@aol.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interactive Times Square Sign Will Show Americans’                                                      Messages of Thanks to the Troops<br />
“Operation New Year’s Eve” Text Messaging Campaign Launches                                      This Weekend 12/29/07 – 01/01/08</p>
<p>NEW YORK -Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the nation’s first and largest nonpartisan organization for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, is taking part in “Operation New Year&#8217;s Eve,” an exciting holiday campaign that lets Americans send text messages in support of U.S. troops to a sign in Times Square.   </p>
<p>Supporters can send text messages to 94444 (keyword ‘care’ space ‘then your message’).  All messages will be collected by “Operation New Year’s Eve” and broadcast on a digital LED screen at the top of 4 Times Square, the tallest building in New York’s Times Square.  </p>
<p>More than a million people are expected to gather in Times Square for the News Year’s Eve celebration, with an additional 50 million Americans watching at home.  The messages will be broadcast worldwide via a live video stream at <a href="http://www.operationnewyearseve.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.operationnewyearseve.org</a> or <a href="http://www.textthanks.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.textthanks.org</a>.  </p>
<p>Sign Lab Media and The Durst Organization are proudly sponsoring “Operation New Year’s Eve,” in association with Fountainhead.com, who designed and delivered the technology for the event.  $.99 will be charged to users’ phones for each text message sent.  A portion of the proceeds will be donated to Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA). </p>
<p>“Operation New Year’s Eve’ provides Americans with a fantastic way to show support for U.S. service members serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.  It’s critical that amidst all the celebration, we stop to think about the men and women who are away from their families and in harm’s way,” said Paul Rieckhoff, IAVA Executive Director. “We are grateful to The Durst Organization, Sign Lab Media and Fountainhead.com for sponsoring such an innovative campaign to help Americans say thank you.”</p>
<p>Rob MacMillan, CEO of Sign Lab Media, is producing this historic event.  A former Reservist, he intends to draw upon the Internet and social networks to lead the charge.  “This is a profoundly simple, yet powerful way for all Americans to connect with the men and women serving overseas.”<br />
 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) is the nation’s first and largest group for veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  A non-profit and nonpartisan organization, IAVA represents more than 70,000 veteran members and civilian supporters in all 50 states. For more information, please contact : Bill Nestel, Sign Lab Media (514) 543-6929 or <a href="mailto:zumabill@aol.com">zumabill@aol.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886789</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encourage you to report the item to PayPal's Acceptable Use folks.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encourage you to report the item to PayPal&#8217;s Acceptable Use folks.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside" rel="nofollow">https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/use/index_frame-outside</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886717</link>
		<dc:creator>Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886717</guid>
		<description>Everyone plays the angles. What a pity !</description>
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		<title>By: AW</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886693</link>
		<dc:creator>AW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subvert? Probably. Profit? That's another issue...

Here's a fun experiment: get an "advertising-supported" site that nobody is interested in Dugg and on the front-page for a few hours. You'll get lots and lots of traffic...

...and then your advertisers are going to ask you why they served up 10,000 extra hits for the past week, but no click-thrus. Or why your apparent bounce-rate is a little under 90% now. Or any other assorted bitches that are a result of their now very f'd up statistics for your site.

Probably a lot less damage occurs to an e-commerce site, or a site selling a service, though, but I don't expect Diggers to be fooled -- if a site is awful, it's awful, and they'll just hit the back-button and write something pretty negative in the comments section about it.

I know I do. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subvert? Probably. Profit? That&#8217;s another issue&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a fun experiment: get an &#8220;advertising-supported&#8221; site that nobody is interested in Dugg and on the front-page for a few hours. You&#8217;ll get lots and lots of traffic&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and then your advertisers are going to ask you why they served up 10,000 extra hits for the past week, but no click-thrus. Or why your apparent bounce-rate is a little under 90% now. Or any other assorted bitches that are a result of their now very f&#8217;d up statistics for your site.</p>
<p>Probably a lot less damage occurs to an e-commerce site, or a site selling a service, though, but I don&#8217;t expect Diggers to be fooled &#8212; if a site is awful, it&#8217;s awful, and they&#8217;ll just hit the back-button and write something pretty negative in the comments section about it.</p>
<p>I know I do. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Subvert And Profit Unapologetically Targets YouTube &#160;&#187;TechAddress</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886690</link>
		<dc:creator>Subvert And Profit Unapologetically Targets YouTube &#160;&#187;TechAddress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] code suggests that you&#8217;ll be able to delete the updates you don&#8217;t [&#8230;]Source:Techcrunch Subvert And Profit is a service that lets users pay to get their sites on Digg (and more recently [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] code suggests that you&#8217;ll be able to delete the updates you don&#8217;t [&#8230;]Source:Techcrunch Subvert And Profit is a service that lets users pay to get their sites on Digg (and more recently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ghetto Gates</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886667</link>
		<dc:creator>Ghetto Gates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's amazing you're writing about a service that knowingly has no positive value in anyway. Yet, you're totally clueless as to the advent of the most positive impact on video since VHS because soon, everyone is going to get blip'd!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing you&#8217;re writing about a service that knowingly has no positive value in anyway. Yet, you&#8217;re totally clueless as to the advent of the most positive impact on video since VHS because soon, everyone is going to get blip&#8217;d!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be those who look for a quick way of achieving "success", whether it's sports, relationships or even... god forbid... the internet. I believe earned success is worth far more then cheated success... they will get their comings soon enough.

Jon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will always be those who look for a quick way of achieving &#8220;success&#8221;, whether it&#8217;s sports, relationships or even&#8230; god forbid&#8230; the internet. I believe earned success is worth far more then cheated success&#8230; they will get their comings soon enough.</p>
<p>Jon</p>
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		<title>By: Topher</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886606</link>
		<dc:creator>Topher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@shawn: What would TechCrunch be "exposing" about Subvert and Profit, and how would it show journalistic integrity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@shawn: What would TechCrunch be &#8220;exposing&#8221; about Subvert and Profit, and how would it show journalistic integrity?</p>
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		<title>By: Consumed Consumer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886583</link>
		<dc:creator>Consumed Consumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is the equivalent of a PR (public relations, you google addicts) campaign in cyberspace
"first you get the money, then you get the powa"
now who said that?
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the equivalent of a PR (public relations, you google addicts) campaign in cyberspace<br />
&#8220;first you get the money, then you get the powa&#8221;<br />
now who said that?<br />
 <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886564</link>
		<dc:creator>shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@josiah 

Sorry, but if TC is "afraid" of this, then I join them.  I'm no TC cheerleader, mind you, but if they come out against this, then I'm in their camp.  As I said to Chris, yes, it's a natural part of the ecosystem, but TC is showing journalistic integrity by exposing it, and I don't think "afraid" has anything to do with it. (Lest you think I'm a shill for thses guys, I blasted them when they reported on controversial (gay/lesbian/ alternate sexuality wikipedia posts that came from google IPs).  A lot of the stuff they report on slightly annoys me these days, but  come on, most would say they are on the right side on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@josiah </p>
<p>Sorry, but if TC is &#8220;afraid&#8221; of this, then I join them.  I&#8217;m no TC cheerleader, mind you, but if they come out against this, then I&#8217;m in their camp.  As I said to Chris, yes, it&#8217;s a natural part of the ecosystem, but TC is showing journalistic integrity by exposing it, and I don&#8217;t think &#8220;afraid&#8221; has anything to do with it. (Lest you think I&#8217;m a shill for thses guys, I blasted them when they reported on controversial (gay/lesbian/ alternate sexuality wikipedia posts that came from google IPs).  A lot of the stuff they report on slightly annoys me these days, but  come on, most would say they are on the right side on this.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/29/subvert-and-profit-unapologetically-targets-youtube/#comment-1886548</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 (Shawn):

"but that same invisible hand hopefully will make sites that want to maintain editorial intregrity find a way to block those sleazy shenanigans. Otherwise those capitialistic forces (all fine) will make said users look elsewhere."

You just won the "you get it" award of the day. If there is demand and money to be made block those "sleazy shenanigans" then great. I hope someone will do it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 (Shawn):</p>
<p>&#8220;but that same invisible hand hopefully will make sites that want to maintain editorial intregrity find a way to block those sleazy shenanigans. Otherwise those capitialistic forces (all fine) will make said users look elsewhere.&#8221;</p>
<p>You just won the &#8220;you get it&#8221; award of the day. If there is demand and money to be made block those &#8220;sleazy shenanigans&#8221; then great. I hope someone will do it!</p>
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