Comments on: The Daily Show and Colbert Decide to Wing It Without Writers http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/ Startup and Technology News Sun, 12 Oct 2008 08:55:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: gazkyl ytkirhd http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-2476355 gazkyl ytkirhd Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:46:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-2476355 cowylmd gdbnyfize gynil iqogskld balxj ymwc dcyhft cowylmd gdbnyfize gynil iqogskld balxj ymwc dcyhft

]]> By: Ujwal http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1877811 Ujwal Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:28:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1877811 In the age of open competition and open market, writers guild is a dinosaur refusing to adapt to new styles of generating revenues Ujwal from Nepal. exoticbuddha.com In the age of open competition and open market, writers guild is a dinosaur refusing to adapt to new styles of generating revenues

Ujwal from Nepal.
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]]> By: Rob http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1867441 Rob Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:40:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1867441 I'm giving credit to folks at xkcd for helping Jon et al. realize that they were needed http://xkcd.com/360/ Or maybe they planned on coming back all along and were just waiting for Jon to be freed. I’m giving credit to folks at xkcd for helping Jon et al. realize that they were needed http://xkcd.com/360/
Or maybe they planned on coming back all along and were just waiting for Jon to be freed.

]]> By: dan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1865100 dan Sat, 22 Dec 2007 23:44:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1865100 techguy: Stewart and Colbert are being forced back to work under threat of being sued for breach of contract by Viacom, the company that owns Comedy Central. Even the WGA realizes this and isn't planning any demonstrations/actions to target these productions. techguy: Stewart and Colbert are being forced back to work under threat of being sued for breach of contract by Viacom, the company that owns Comedy Central. Even the WGA realizes this and isn’t planning any demonstrations/actions to target these productions.

]]> By: techguy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1863289 techguy Sat, 22 Dec 2007 06:34:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1863289 I guess all those speeches at awards shows about how grateful they were for their writers is a crock. I love the irony of it. I guess all those speeches at awards shows about how grateful they were for their writers is a crock. I love the irony of it.

]]> By: Warren http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1863145 Warren Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:21:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1863145 Jon and Steven can pull it off. It's their mannerisms and wit, not their specific jokes that keep me watching. Let's get this writers strike done with already though. I don't watch much TV and even I am getting bothered. Jon and Steven can pull it off. It’s their mannerisms and wit, not their specific jokes that keep me watching. Let’s get this writers strike done with already though. I don’t watch much TV and even I am getting bothered.

]]> By: CarEnthusiast http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862846 CarEnthusiast Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:42:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862846 "Show Must Go On" still applies. Same TV, different day. No liberal/conservative issues are at stake if they restart the shows' engines in January. “Show Must Go On” still applies. Same TV, different day. No liberal/conservative issues are at stake if they restart the shows’ engines in January.

]]> By: Chris Goodrich http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862622 Chris Goodrich Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:40:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862622 I think we have a fundamental question to answer. Are people paid for work, or are they paid to work? Similar to the Lane Hardwell issue, it seems people more and more want to be paid for their work, not paid to work. For a photographer, do they want to be paid to photograph certain events such as weddings or corporate events or do they want to be paid for the individual photographs they take? As a freelance worker, you are dependent on being paid for work, but as an employee you are paid to work. Should they be paid twice (once for their time, once for their product)? Possibly, but we have to decide which is most beneficial to all parties involved. I think we have a fundamental question to answer.

Are people paid for work, or are they paid to work?

Similar to the Lane Hardwell issue, it seems people more and more want to be paid for their work, not paid to work. For a photographer, do they want to be paid to photograph certain events such as weddings or corporate events or do they want to be paid for the individual photographs they take?

As a freelance worker, you are dependent on being paid for work, but as an employee you are paid to work. Should they be paid twice (once for their time, once for their product)? Possibly, but we have to decide which is most beneficial to all parties involved.

]]> By: Nelson Bluesk http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862470 Nelson Bluesk Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:21:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862470 Am I alone in noticing that both shows mock "heartless conservatives" and yet these fine liberal comedians --when losing their own money-- take a dump on their union writers? Where is support for labor? The working man? Am I alone in noticing that both shows mock “heartless conservatives” and yet these fine liberal comedians –when losing their own money– take a dump on their union writers? Where is support for labor? The working man?

]]> By: Fake Thomas Hawk http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862456 Fake Thomas Hawk Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:07:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862456 In my opinion, the writers are just like Lane Hardwell. They want to be paid for their work in perpetuity. That's not the way that art works on the Internet. On the Internet, art must be given away in exchange for valuable links, which can be converted to new writing assignments. I blogged about this many times over the last year. That's the decision that I made and I've made big money this year from my photography. I mean, we are talking thousands and thousands of dollars. Enough for several mortgage payments! Almost. It only took me all year. Good thing I've still got a real job, heh heh. Since I made that decision to give away my work, that should be valid for everyone else, too. In my opinion, the writers are just like Lane Hardwell. They want to be paid for their work in perpetuity. That’s not the way that art works on the Internet. On the Internet, art must be given away in exchange for valuable links, which can be converted to new writing assignments. I blogged about this many times over the last year.

That’s the decision that I made and I’ve made big money this year from my photography. I mean, we are talking thousands and thousands of dollars. Enough for several mortgage payments! Almost. It only took me all year. Good thing I’ve still got a real job, heh heh. Since I made that decision to give away my work, that should be valid for everyone else, too.

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862322 Chris Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862322 Now the true talent might come out of this. We can see how good they are without the writers now. Now the true talent might come out of this. We can see how good they are without the writers now.

]]> By: browse http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862319 browse Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:01:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862319 The problem is that both Colbert and Stewert are in good standing with the WGA. Ellen can write her own jokes. They can't, at least until the strike is over. The problem is that both Colbert and Stewert are in good standing with the WGA. Ellen can write her own jokes. They can’t, at least until the strike is over.

]]> By: ryan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862314 ryan Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:00:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862314 This should be interesting. This should be interesting.

]]> By: Chris Goodrich http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862303 Chris Goodrich Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:53:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862303 I must preface my comment to say that I do not disagree at all with the writer's for expecting some compensation for the internet usage of their work. That being said, I think they will have to be careful. They will have to be careful to see how far they will prolong this strike. (I do realize it is 2 sides attempting to come to 1 resolution.) I think they are, at some point, going to have to say that some is better than none. I haven't been watching the situation closely and have not heard about specific offers going back and forth, but it seems like a lot of TV is ready to move on without them. TV will always need writers, but what we are facing here soon is to see what can be done without them. We may find some "shining star" programs that can do just as well, if not better, without the writers. Drama TV will always need writers and cannot survive without them; however late night television and similar shows may be just fine without them. I believe the WGA has to carefully look at the situation here and ask themselves if their stubbornness to "win" is worth the potential job loss. I am not suggesting any TV program will run completely writer-free, but they may find that less writers are necessary. In this case, no increase in royalties will help those who won't have a job to go back to. I also feel that both sides of this situation are not evaluating the greater effects. They themselves are not getting paid, set staff isn't getting paid, less new television, less ad spending, reduction in consumer spending. It all adds to already softening economic conditions. Is it all worth it? I must preface my comment to say that I do not disagree at all with the writer’s for expecting some compensation for the internet usage of their work.

That being said, I think they will have to be careful. They will have to be careful to see how far they will prolong this strike. (I do realize it is 2 sides attempting to come to 1 resolution.) I think they are, at some point, going to have to say that some is better than none. I haven’t been watching the situation closely and have not heard about specific offers going back and forth, but it seems like a lot of TV is ready to move on without them.

TV will always need writers, but what we are facing here soon is to see what can be done without them. We may find some “shining star” programs that can do just as well, if not better, without the writers. Drama TV will always need writers and cannot survive without them; however late night television and similar shows may be just fine without them.

I believe the WGA has to carefully look at the situation here and ask themselves if their stubbornness to “win” is worth the potential job loss. I am not suggesting any TV program will run completely writer-free, but they may find that less writers are necessary. In this case, no increase in royalties will help those who won’t have a job to go back to.

I also feel that both sides of this situation are not evaluating the greater effects. They themselves are not getting paid, set staff isn’t getting paid, less new television, less ad spending, reduction in consumer spending. It all adds to already softening economic conditions.

Is it all worth it?

]]> By: Chris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862287 Chris Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:46:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862287 I can't wait! When the strike started I just figured that The Daily Show was written by Stewart himself so I was disappointed that the strike ended a show based on daily news. I am eager to see how this goes and cannot wait for the return of The Daily Show. I can’t wait! When the strike started I just figured that The Daily Show was written by Stewart himself so I was disappointed that the strike ended a show based on daily news. I am eager to see how this goes and cannot wait for the return of The Daily Show.

]]> By: Mike Abraham http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862257 Mike Abraham Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:30:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862257 When are you guys going to get some writers? When are you guys going to get some writers?

]]> By: magnusdopus http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862184 magnusdopus Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:46:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862184 They should do it internet style and let the users supply jokes. I'd love to see how they put the show together. Will the editors just take videos they find funny and just stream it to John? They should do it internet style and let the users supply jokes. I’d love to see how they put the show together. Will the editors just take videos they find funny and just stream it to John?

]]> By: Ballmer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862173 Ballmer Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:41:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862173 Let's see how much they really know! lol fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com Let’s see how much they really know! lol

fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

]]> By: Thom Jenkins http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862155 Thom Jenkins Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:35:24 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862155 There is some other comedy out there if you look hard enough http://www.voterswrite.org/ There is some other comedy out there if you look hard enough

http://www.voterswrite.org/

]]> By: AC http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862142 AC Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:29:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862142 Aren't both Colbert and Stewart comedians? And heck, isn't the news always going to be there? People will flock to this show regardless of if the jokes are funny or not. All they have to do is rip on Bush for an hour a day (M-Th) and they'll bring in the ratings. It's the easiest job in town. Aren’t both Colbert and Stewart comedians? And heck, isn’t the news always going to be there?

People will flock to this show regardless of if the jokes are funny or not. All they have to do is rip on Bush for an hour a day (M-Th) and they’ll bring in the ratings.

It’s the easiest job in town.

]]> By: BigTone http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862065 BigTone Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:47:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862065 I will right for them! I will right for them!

]]> By: Jesse http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862048 Jesse Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:39:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862048 haha Seesmic-- that is clever. haha Seesmic– that is clever.

]]> By: Leaving Techcrunch site soon. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862037 Leaving Techcrunch site soon. Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:33:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862037 I'm leaving techcrunch soon. They are getting into something too far. It's not duncan's post and this... Something else... Faaaar worst..... I will not say it. I will not tell. I will not help techcrunch improve better. They have to do themselves. It's just blog -- Not Media company I’m leaving techcrunch soon. They are getting into something too far.
It’s not duncan’s post and this…

Something else… Faaaar worst…..

I will not say it.
I will not tell.
I will not help techcrunch improve better.

They have to do themselves. It’s just blog — Not Media company

]]> By: Realist http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862032 Realist Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:32:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862032 damn them liberals, Go Colbert!!!. show those writers some class.. damn them liberals, Go Colbert!!!. show those writers some class..

]]> By: Jason M. Lemkin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862011 Jason M. Lemkin Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:17:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/21/the-daily-show-and-colbert-decide-to-wing-it-without-writers/#comment-1862011 Criminey! Just settle the darn thing. At least in time so BSG isn't delayed. Criminey! Just settle the darn thing. At least in time so BSG isn’t delayed.

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