Comments on: Twitter Downtime On the Upswing http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:05:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Rama Mamuaya / Media Sosial dan Internet » Pilih Twitter atau Plurk? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2413111 Rama Mamuaya / Media Sosial dan Internet » Pilih Twitter atau Plurk? Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:48:14 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2413111 [...] banyak pihak yang kecewa dengan kinerja Twitter yang bermasalah dengan downtime yang parah ( hampir sekali sehari ) akhirnya bermunculan “saingan” dari Twitter yaitu [...] [...] banyak pihak yang kecewa dengan kinerja Twitter yang bermasalah dengan downtime yang parah ( hampir sekali sehari ) akhirnya bermunculan “saingan” dari Twitter yaitu [...]

]]> By: Get FriendFeed notifications with imfeeds - smalls blogger http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2396284 Get FriendFeed notifications with imfeeds - smalls blogger Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:36:37 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2396284 [...] FriendFeed meet imfeeds. Imfeeds is a service that lets you get instant messages to your chat client of your RSS feeds as they happen. Imfeeds supports AIM, MSN, Yahoo and Google Talk. Wait, before you ask, yes imfeeds is more reliable than twitter. [...] [...] FriendFeed meet imfeeds. Imfeeds is a service that lets you get instant messages to your chat client of your RSS feeds as they happen. Imfeeds supports AIM, MSN, Yahoo and Google Talk. Wait, before you ask, yes imfeeds is more reliable than twitter. [...]

]]> By: Telephony 2.0 » Blog Archive » Twitter As ‘Global Communications Utility’? Hang On Now… http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2388875 Telephony 2.0 » Blog Archive » Twitter As ‘Global Communications Utility’? Hang On Now… Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:18:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2388875 [...] help scaling because despite (or probably more likely because of) its popularity the service has suffered repeated [...] [...] help scaling because despite (or probably more likely because of) its popularity the service has suffered repeated [...]

]]> By: Twitterpitch? « Eric Gonzalez http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2285363 Twitterpitch? « Eric Gonzalez Fri, 09 May 2008 18:21:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2285363 [...] Mike Arrington: “Twitter downtime on the upswing” DA Howlett: “.. while Twitter has great utility, it could be so much more” [...] [...] Mike Arrington: “Twitter downtime on the upswing” DA Howlett: “.. while Twitter has great utility, it could be so much more” [...]

]]> By: TechCrunch en français » Twitter souhaite abandonner Ruby on Rails http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2248398 TechCrunch en français » Twitter souhaite abandonner Ruby on Rails Fri, 02 May 2008 08:19:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2248398 [...] de nombreuses sources et après deux années de nombreux problèmes de gestion de taille, Twitter prévoit d’abandonner Ruby on Rails comme framework [...] [...] de nombreuses sources et après deux années de nombreux problèmes de gestion de taille, Twitter prévoit d’abandonner Ruby on Rails comme framework [...]

]]> By: Twitter Said To Be Abandoning Ruby on Rails http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2245579 Twitter Said To Be Abandoning Ruby on Rails Thu, 01 May 2008 20:54:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2245579 [...] hearing this from multiple sources: After nearly two years of high profile scaling problems, Twitter is planning to abandon Ruby on Rails as their web framework and [...] [...] hearing this from multiple sources: After nearly two years of high profile scaling problems, Twitter is planning to abandon Ruby on Rails as their web framework and [...]

]]> By: Twitter: Cool but Unreliable? | eyeline.mobi http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2222977 Twitter: Cool but Unreliable? | eyeline.mobi Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:07:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2222977 [...] same time I have also started to read more about Twitter. And got upset with news that Twitter is unreliable at [...] [...] same time I have also started to read more about Twitter. And got upset with news that Twitter is unreliable at [...]

]]> By: Иван Комаров » Blog Archive » links for 2008-04-24 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2221442 Иван Комаров » Blog Archive » links for 2008-04-24 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:36:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2221442 [...] Twitter Downtime On the Upswing Twitter Downtime in 2007 (tags: twitter) Posted in Links | Leave a Comment [...] [...] Twitter Downtime On the Upswing Twitter Downtime in 2007 (tags: twitter) Posted in Links | Leave a Comment [...]

]]> By: Enterprise Alley mobile edition http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2221074 Enterprise Alley mobile edition Thu, 24 Apr 2008 15:18:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2221074 [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred [...] [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred [...]

]]> By: Amateur Hour Over At Twitter? | crown.MONKEY http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2220369 Amateur Hour Over At Twitter? | crown.MONKEY Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:53:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2220369 [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred yet. Note in particular slide 9 of that presentation, where Cook [...] [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred yet. Note in particular slide 9 of that presentation, where Cook [...]

]]> By: Amateur Hour Over At Twitter? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2217775 Amateur Hour Over At Twitter? Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:30:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2217775 [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred yet. Note in particular slide 9 of that presentation, where Cook [...] [...] His presentation suggested Twitter’s problems were behind them, but in fact some of their biggest stumbles hadn’t occurred yet. Note in particular slide 9 of that presentation, where Cook [...]

]]> By: Twitter May Not Have To Care About Uptime Any Longer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2213643 Twitter May Not Have To Care About Uptime Any Longer Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:44:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2213643 [...] used to speculate that Twitter’s persistent downtime and overall poor service quality could result in a Friendster-type nose dive. But after a three day weekend [...] [...] used to speculate that Twitter’s persistent downtime and overall poor service quality could result in a Friendster-type nose dive. But after a three day weekend [...]

]]> By: The Many Challenges of Social Network Sites http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2009572 The Many Challenges of Social Network Sites Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:46:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-2009572 [...] Networks have hard time scaling Facebook and Twitter (yes a social network too) are suffering from scaling issues, as a result, their sites have a great deal of downtime or latency. The complicated applications [...] [...] Networks have hard time scaling Facebook and Twitter (yes a social network too) are suffering from scaling issues, as a result, their sites have a great deal of downtime or latency. The complicated applications [...]

]]> By: andrew c. » Open Letter to Google http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1988950 andrew c. » Open Letter to Google Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:21:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1988950 [...] a little while if I need to; and it is also spam-free so life is good.  Except the whole “Server is Down” thing.  and while they have cute little pages to tell you they are broken, it still [...] [...] a little while if I need to; and it is also spam-free so life is good.  Except the whole “Server is Down” thing.  and while they have cute little pages to tell you they are broken, it still [...]

]]> By: IT’s About Uptime - The StackSafe Blog » Is 6 Days Too Much Annual Downtime? – A Question Almost Too Surprising to be Asked http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1921880 IT’s About Uptime - The StackSafe Blog » Is 6 Days Too Much Annual Downtime? – A Question Almost Too Surprising to be Asked Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:02:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1921880 [...] GigaOM relates that fame has led to the Twitter downtime. Similarly, TechCrunch ascribes the Twitter outages to growing pains. An entire conversation even began among passionate “twitterers” over architectural [...] [...] GigaOM relates that fame has led to the Twitter downtime. Similarly, TechCrunch ascribes the Twitter outages to growing pains. An entire conversation even began among passionate “twitterers” over architectural [...]

]]> By: 2007 Had Its Share Of Internet Woes : New Web 2.0 Magazine http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1881082 2007 Had Its Share Of Internet Woes : New Web 2.0 Magazine Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:15:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1881082 [...] was the mundane, such as Twitter’s frustrating downtime. And there were more dramatic moments, like when a truck slammed into a power transformer and [...] [...] was the mundane, such as Twitter’s frustrating downtime. And there were more dramatic moments, like when a truck slammed into a power transformer and [...]

]]> By: Maximilian Schulz http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1874610 Maximilian Schulz Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:02:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1874610 Well… I do not really follow the entire Twitter hype and therefore I have no knowledge about their potential cash flow. But I imagine the cash flows are not that good: who is responsible for the server setup. Hiring a team of professional can be pretty expensive for a startup with bad financing. I do not wanna support Twitter, but I know it from similar experiences, that having a good idea and finding the perfect technical solution are two very different things - especially if you cannot afford external support / knowledge. Well… I do not really follow the entire Twitter hype and therefore I have no knowledge about their potential cash flow. But I imagine the cash flows are not that good: who is responsible for the server setup. Hiring a team of professional can be pretty expensive for a startup with bad financing. I do not wanna support Twitter, but I know it from similar experiences, that having a good idea and finding the perfect technical solution are two very different things - especially if you cannot afford external support / knowledge.

]]> By: Mickaël Rémond http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1861375 Mickaël Rémond Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:46:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1861375 Hello Jinc, If you know a bit what you were talking about you would know that XMPP service is not the problem, being very marginal in Twitter architecture. And from what I know ejabberd has been rock solid for Twitter, unless you have other information Hello Jinc,

If you know a bit what you were talking about you would know that XMPP service is not the problem, being very marginal in Twitter architecture.
And from what I know ejabberd has been rock solid for Twitter, unless you have other information

]]> By: Jinc http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859807 Jinc Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:23:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859807 their XMPP server can not scale and therefore they have an unstable service. As more and more twitters tweet, the more and more outages they will have. they need to reconsider their XMPP server. their XMPP server can not scale and therefore they have an unstable service. As more and more twitters tweet, the more and more outages they will have. they need to reconsider their XMPP server.

]]> By: Bob Warfield http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859138 Bob Warfield Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:50:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859138 Personally, I wonder if Twitter would have fared better if it had been built on something like Amazon's Web Services. The potential to scale up and down rapidly is there. They could even create a duplicate service pretty cheaply to try out new architectures. More on my blog: http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/12/18/what-if-twitter-was-built-on-amazons-cloud/ Personally, I wonder if Twitter would have fared better if it had been built on something like Amazon’s Web Services. The potential to scale up and down rapidly is there. They could even create a duplicate service pretty cheaply to try out new architectures.

More on my blog:

http://smoothspan.wordpress.co.....ons-cloud/

]]> By: Lars Fischer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859080 Lars Fischer Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:28:57 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859080 Highrise by 37signals can scale and it's fast (Rails). So it's either poor design or a bad production setup. Highrise by 37signals can scale and it’s fast (Rails). So it’s either poor design or a bad production setup.

]]> By: Intercon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859033 Intercon Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:10:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859033 And remember also that Twitter is not a nobody nomoney company - Twitter is co-founded by Evan Williams, who was the creator of Blogger, which was previously acquired by Google. And remember also that Twitter is not a nobody nomoney company -
Twitter is co-founded by Evan Williams, who was the creator of Blogger, which was previously acquired by Google.

]]> By: Intercon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859007 Intercon Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:55:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1859007 @Jason thanks for noting the amusement, obviously too cool to be correct - if computing is becoming some utility.. imagine electricity henceforth, no new water, just meta water! @Jason
thanks for noting the amusement, obviously too cool to be correct -
if computing is becoming some utility.. imagine electricity
henceforth, no new water, just meta water!

]]> By: Intercon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1858993 Intercon Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:49:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1858993 @Jason Solution for those who need better solutions.. which do not necessarily entail some problem.. or what're the problems with this guy: http://timoreilly.jaiku.com (whose life I've no envy of..) @Jason
Solution for those who need better solutions.. which do not necessarily entail some problem.. or what’re the problems with this guy: http://timoreilly.jaiku.com (whose life I’ve no envy of..)

]]> By: bta http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1858992 bta Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:48:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/twitter-downtime-on-the-upswing/#comment-1858992 @Tony: >It’s actually got a huge volume of messaging going through a lot of channels > (web, IM, SMS, API). That makes it a more complicated application than you > experience as a user. Now, now, there are over 20 years of research into how to effectively deal with loads of volume and managing large amounts of data flow. And most companies do it very well (think of how much data your banking and other financial firms deal with -- some of them even have to have end-to-end processing times [for all activities] in the milliseconds). Just because it's a "web 2.0" app, it doesn't get away scot-free on good design and management. So, yes, just because it has "a lot of data flow" (and let's be honest a high volume of 140-character messages isn't exactly earth-shattering load) - doesn't mean it isn't simple. It does two things: take messages in, and send them out (with an absurdly simplistic UI to boot). Web-based email services like gmail and yahoo, have much higher volumes of data and do much more complex work with it - yet don't quite have the downtime. @Tony:

>It’s actually got a huge volume of messaging going through a lot of channels
> (web, IM, SMS, API). That makes it a more complicated application than you
> experience as a user.

Now, now, there are over 20 years of research into how to effectively deal with loads of volume and managing large amounts of data flow. And most companies do it very well (think of how much data your banking and other financial firms deal with — some of them even have to have end-to-end processing times [for all activities] in the milliseconds).

Just because it’s a “web 2.0″ app, it doesn’t get away scot-free on good design and management.

So, yes, just because it has “a lot of data flow” (and let’s be honest a high volume of 140-character messages isn’t exactly earth-shattering load) - doesn’t mean it isn’t simple. It does two things: take messages in, and send them out (with an absurdly simplistic UI to boot).

Web-based email services like gmail and yahoo, have much higher volumes of data and do much more complex work with it - yet don’t quite have the downtime.

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