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	<title>Comments on: Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem</title>
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		<title>By: How Google Profiles SEO&#8217;s</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Google Profiles SEO&#8217;s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to running an advertorial? Would You? Don&#8217;t be fooled Techcrunch knows the value of the link: Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem The currency of the Web, after all, is the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How Google Profiles SEO’s &#124; SEO BizNiche</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Google Profiles SEO’s &#124; SEO BizNiche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 03:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up to running an advertorial? Would You? Don’t be fooled Techcrunch knows the value of the link: Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem The currency of the Web, after all, is the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How Google Profiles SEO’s at SEO Pro</title>
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		<dc:creator>How Google Profiles SEO’s at SEO Pro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lessig on TED &#124; EricHoefler.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2583456</link>
		<dc:creator>Lessig on TED &#124; EricHoefler.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Larry Lessig&#8217;s Free Culture, which is excellent so far. In the meantime, while following the Lane Hartwell controversy, I found a link to Lessig&#8217;s March, 2007 talk at TED (posted Nov. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Internet/Tech Bubble 2.0 &#171; MeetKendall.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2577919</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet/Tech Bubble 2.0 &#171; MeetKendall.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] December 24, 2007 by Kendall    The Web 2.0 bubble video is back after some fights regarding copyright violations.  Word is that new fights have begun.  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mika</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2576556</link>
		<dc:creator>mika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi  how are you are you 14 and are you b or a g</description>
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		<title>By: Arevik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi my name is Arevik, how old are you, where are you from, do you like scool, and are you a b or a g</description>
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		<title>By: Arevik</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2576552</link>
		<dc:creator>Arevik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi my name is Arevik, how old are you, where are you from, do you like scool, and are you a b or a g</description>
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		<title>By: Lessig on TED &#124; Sicheii Yazhi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2440874</link>
		<dc:creator>Lessig on TED &#124; Sicheii Yazhi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Larry Lessig&#8217;s Free Culture, which is excellent so far. In the meantime, while following the Lane Hartwell controversy, I found a link to Lessig&#8217;s March, 2007 talk at TED (posted Nov. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fotolia Branches Out from Micro-Stock Photography, Incorporates Traditional Collections</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2301599</link>
		<dc:creator>Fotolia Branches Out from Micro-Stock Photography, Incorporates Traditional Collections</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] further evidence that photos on the web demand a different price structure than photos offline, Fotolia has debuted what it&#8217;s calling the &#8220;Infinite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 博客和新闻业的碰撞 &#124; 精品博客</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2067341</link>
		<dc:creator>博客和新闻业的碰撞 &#124; 精品博客</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 我们在TechCrunch做的其实是很简单的。我们报道一些网络创业企业以及想复制或者学习它们的比较大的技术类企业。我可以实况记录Amazon Kindle的启动，可以就Goolge的互联网的言论自由进行辩论，可以就雅虎主动提供的服务提供建议，或者写一些关于新热门创业企业的文章。 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GumGum Launches New Image Licensing Platform</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-2000242</link>
		<dc:creator>GumGum Launches New Image Licensing Platform</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Image piracy runs rampant on the Internet, of course. Blogger Perez Hilton was sued for stealing images of celebrities, and we&#8217;ve had (ridiculous) charges leveled at us as well. And don&#8217;t forget the recent Lane Hartwell debacle. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Image piracy runs rampant on the Internet, of course. Blogger Perez Hilton was sued for stealing images of celebrities, and we&#8217;ve had (ridiculous) charges leveled at us as well. And don&#8217;t forget the recent Lane Hartwell debacle. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1896039</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad to see that the majority of people here have no clue whatsoever about photography nor about copyrights.
If I as a photographer am to sell pictures to let&#039;s say a stock photography site I have to make damn sure I have releases signed by the subjects I took the pictures of. Often photographers pay people in their photographs to get the releases so all those people saying that photographers wouldn&#039;t share their profits are simply not true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad to see that the majority of people here have no clue whatsoever about photography nor about copyrights.<br />
If I as a photographer am to sell pictures to let&#8217;s say a stock photography site I have to make damn sure I have releases signed by the subjects I took the pictures of. Often photographers pay people in their photographs to get the releases so all those people saying that photographers wouldn&#8217;t share their profits are simply not true.</p>
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		<title>By: The Older Woman</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1876397</link>
		<dc:creator>The Older Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #109&#039;s comment about registering the work for copyright in order to have the work protected, this is incorrect. Copyright automatically exists once the work is fixed in a physical form (http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc)
Registration is not required, only encouraged to further protect the work.
It is interesting that no one has commented on the usage of a copyrighted musical work in this video (Billy Joel&#039;s &quot;We Didn&#039;t Start The Fire&quot;). Was this usage cleared prior to it being posted on-line or was it also &quot;borrowed&quot; without permission?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #109&#8217;s comment about registering the work for copyright in order to have the work protected, this is incorrect. Copyright automatically exists once the work is fixed in a physical form (<a href="http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hsc'>http://www.copy.../circ1.html#hsc</a>)<br />
Registration is not required, only encouraged to further protect the work.<br />
It is interesting that no one has commented on the usage of a copyrighted musical work in this video (Billy Joel&#8217;s &#8220;We Didn&#8217;t Start The Fire&#8221;). Was this usage cleared prior to it being posted on-line or was it also &#8220;borrowed&#8221; without permission?</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Links 12/26/2007 &#171; Umbrella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Links 12/26/2007 &#171; Umbrella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fotolia Branches Out from Micro-Stock Photography, Incorporates Traditional Collections &#8212; domainshop24.at steht zum Verkauf</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1871900</link>
		<dc:creator>Fotolia Branches Out from Micro-Stock Photography, Incorporates Traditional Collections &#8212; domainshop24.at steht zum Verkauf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 04:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] further evidence that photos on the web demand a different price structure than photos offline, Fotolia has debuted what it&#8217;s calling the &#8220;Infinite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reusing Someone Else's Photos - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1868506</link>
		<dc:creator>Reusing Someone Else's Photos - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Internet Marketing Webmaster SEO Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] her Flikr stream, they grabbed the photo and used it, and she didn&#039;t like it.  Here&#039;s the link...  Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem  It&#039;s an interesting discussion of fair use, and how the law is lagging behind common internet [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] her Flikr stream, they grabbed the photo and used it, and she didn&#8217;t like it.  Here&#8217;s the link&#8230;  Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem  It&#8217;s an interesting discussion of fair use, and how the law is lagging behind common internet [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1867205</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both as a content creator and a content consumer, this &quot;brave new world&quot; seems to largely suck.

In a system that seems to place equal value on a mash-up of other peoples original ideas with the original ideas themselves, it seems like it is encouraging people to take the easy road to fame, profit, or whatever rather than working towards truly original works. Mind you, the Gray album was cool and all but it sure as hell didn&#039;t take as much work to make as the White and Black albums it was based on which it used without clear compensation. Okay, okay, get over the money part. That&#039;s well and fine but if the Beatles made their work in a magical age where it was perfectly okay for someone else to steal it and use it however they want, do the Beatles themselves have any reason to invest lots of time, money and energy into their own original works? Why would they if the social norm is that they&#039;ll be just as popular or even more so if they just rearrange a bunch of others peoples samples? What happens 30 years from now? Is the latest hit going to be mashup 24 of mashup 50 of mashup 14 of the gray album?

This isn&#039;t even so much about law as perceived right and wrong. If the perception of value associated with intellectual property can be turned 180 in a single generation, what does this mean for the rest of society? Anyone ever see the movie &quot;Ideocracy&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both as a content creator and a content consumer, this &#8220;brave new world&#8221; seems to largely suck.</p>
<p>In a system that seems to place equal value on a mash-up of other peoples original ideas with the original ideas themselves, it seems like it is encouraging people to take the easy road to fame, profit, or whatever rather than working towards truly original works. Mind you, the Gray album was cool and all but it sure as hell didn&#8217;t take as much work to make as the White and Black albums it was based on which it used without clear compensation. Okay, okay, get over the money part. That&#8217;s well and fine but if the Beatles made their work in a magical age where it was perfectly okay for someone else to steal it and use it however they want, do the Beatles themselves have any reason to invest lots of time, money and energy into their own original works? Why would they if the social norm is that they&#8217;ll be just as popular or even more so if they just rearrange a bunch of others peoples samples? What happens 30 years from now? Is the latest hit going to be mashup 24 of mashup 50 of mashup 14 of the gray album?</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t even so much about law as perceived right and wrong. If the perception of value associated with intellectual property can be turned 180 in a single generation, what does this mean for the rest of society? Anyone ever see the movie &#8220;Ideocracy&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/20/fair-use-vs-free-speech-in-the-internet-age-the-lane-hartwell-problem/comment-page-3/#comment-1865789</link>
		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 57, Erick Schonfeld

In fact, the new &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CCPlus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CC+&lt;/a&gt; could very well enable someone to do this, but it&#039;s up to the creator to choose to make use of a CC license in the first place. Under CC+, a creator could authorize all non-commercial use, and then provide an easy way for people to license a work for commercial use. The startup &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rightsagent.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RightsAgent&lt;/a&gt; is also looking to create efficient ways to license CC works commercially. 

If I understand correctly, you&#039;d like it such that copyright law only applied to &quot;commerical use&quot; or &quot;commercial exploitation,&quot; and when this commercial nature kicks in, creators should get paid. Believe it or not, you&#039;re not alone. Numerous legal scholars, such as Pam Samuelson and Jessica Litman, have been thinking about at least the first idea for a while now... The second may be a bit more complicated, but could be tied in to Harvard Prof. Terry Fisher&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/tfisher/PTKChapter6.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alternative Compensation Scheme&lt;/a&gt; proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 57, Erick Schonfeld</p>
<p>In fact, the new <a href="http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CCPlus" rel="nofollow">CC+</a> could very well enable someone to do this, but it&#8217;s up to the creator to choose to make use of a CC license in the first place. Under CC+, a creator could authorize all non-commercial use, and then provide an easy way for people to license a work for commercial use. The startup <a href="http://www.rightsagent.com" rel="nofollow">RightsAgent</a> is also looking to create efficient ways to license CC works commercially. </p>
<p>If I understand correctly, you&#8217;d like it such that copyright law only applied to &#8220;commerical use&#8221; or &#8220;commercial exploitation,&#8221; and when this commercial nature kicks in, creators should get paid. Believe it or not, you&#8217;re not alone. Numerous legal scholars, such as Pam Samuelson and Jessica Litman, have been thinking about at least the first idea for a while now&#8230; The second may be a bit more complicated, but could be tied in to Harvard Prof. Terry Fisher&#8217;s <a href="http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/people/tfisher/PTKChapter6.pdf" rel="nofollow">Alternative Compensation Scheme</a> proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s been echoed before, but bears repeating. Richter Scales could have looked for CC licensed images instead of &quot;all rights reserved&quot; images on Flickr. Saying that posting on Flickr is asking to be copied it true, but doesn&#039;t make it right. I use images in presentations all the time, but I search only CC licensed images. Richter Scales could have done that too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s been echoed before, but bears repeating. Richter Scales could have looked for CC licensed images instead of &#8220;all rights reserved&#8221; images on Flickr. Saying that posting on Flickr is asking to be copied it true, but doesn&#8217;t make it right. I use images in presentations all the time, but I search only CC licensed images. Richter Scales could have done that too</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Dave Q: The trouble is thinking up that business model. There is a vague consensus amongst those who think copyright should be flexible that (for example) a professional photographer should allow their work to be free by default so as to enable any commercial deals. That is, you see Lane Hartwell&#039;s photos in a mash-up video, and decide to contact her for a paid  commission for your new book, website, whatever. The argument is that it&#039;s obscurity, not piracy, that&#039;s the problem for Hartwell. She needs to be visible to get work. This is somewhat similar to what Cory Doctorow does with his books. 

However, if that model proliferates, I think we would see a sharp decline in the number of people making money from (say) photography, mainly because we know that the Internet fosters a very &quot;peaky&quot; demand model. Take bloggers: there are a tiny number of A-list bloggers compared to the total number out there, yet readers are free to choose. You would expect a large number of A-listers simply because there is (in theory) a large number of perspectives on most issues. Yet popular things are popular, and become more so because they are popular, not because they are intrinsically better, or service diverse needs. 

Perhaps there just *are* too many professional photographers, just as there were many professional soothsayers in the middle ages. But I worry that instead of a perfect meritocracy brought about by perfect knowledge, we will see increasing monopolies and concentrations of supply in the arts, at least where money and &quot;paying the mortgage&quot; is concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave Q: The trouble is thinking up that business model. There is a vague consensus amongst those who think copyright should be flexible that (for example) a professional photographer should allow their work to be free by default so as to enable any commercial deals. That is, you see Lane Hartwell&#8217;s photos in a mash-up video, and decide to contact her for a paid  commission for your new book, website, whatever. The argument is that it&#8217;s obscurity, not piracy, that&#8217;s the problem for Hartwell. She needs to be visible to get work. This is somewhat similar to what Cory Doctorow does with his books. </p>
<p>However, if that model proliferates, I think we would see a sharp decline in the number of people making money from (say) photography, mainly because we know that the Internet fosters a very &#8220;peaky&#8221; demand model. Take bloggers: there are a tiny number of A-list bloggers compared to the total number out there, yet readers are free to choose. You would expect a large number of A-listers simply because there is (in theory) a large number of perspectives on most issues. Yet popular things are popular, and become more so because they are popular, not because they are intrinsically better, or service diverse needs. </p>
<p>Perhaps there just *are* too many professional photographers, just as there were many professional soothsayers in the middle ages. But I worry that instead of a perfect meritocracy brought about by perfect knowledge, we will see increasing monopolies and concentrations of supply in the arts, at least where money and &#8220;paying the mortgage&#8221; is concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a golden time to sort this amongst ourselves and not depend on legislation. 

If we figure out a working &quot;business&quot; model and demonstrate it to many as a &quot;show and tell&quot; I think it&#039;s a win-win-win. 

This way other &quot;artists&quot; who want to live in the old economy can stay there and go extinct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a golden time to sort this amongst ourselves and not depend on legislation. </p>
<p>If we figure out a working &#8220;business&#8221; model and demonstrate it to many as a &#8220;show and tell&#8221; I think it&#8217;s a win-win-win. </p>
<p>This way other &#8220;artists&#8221; who want to live in the old economy can stay there and go extinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Erick Schonfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erick Schonfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@110, my censorship comment was actually directed at this statement:

&quot;Its sick that you were allowed to post this article.&quot;

The alternative to be &quot;allowed&quot; (not sure who&#039;s permission I need to get) is being censored. That&#039;s all.

To all those who quip that they can&#039;t pay for gas or their mortgage with links, what I said was that links are the currency of the Web, not the currency of America.  Links don&#039;t have any value at the gas station—yet (wait for the mobile Web).  They do have value online, where links and the traffic they generate can be turned into money in various ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@110, my censorship comment was actually directed at this statement:</p>
<p>&#8220;Its sick that you were allowed to post this article.&#8221;</p>
<p>The alternative to be &#8220;allowed&#8221; (not sure who&#8217;s permission I need to get) is being censored. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>To all those who quip that they can&#8217;t pay for gas or their mortgage with links, what I said was that links are the currency of the Web, not the currency of America.  Links don&#8217;t have any value at the gas station—yet (wait for the mobile Web).  They do have value online, where links and the traffic they generate can be turned into money in various ways.</p>
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		<title>By: tinou</title>
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		<dc:creator>tinou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>painters have more control over their subjects than photographers, so in this respect they are less &quot;talented&quot; because it&#039;s way too easy to paint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>painters have more control over their subjects than photographers, so in this respect they are less &#8220;talented&#8221; because it&#8217;s way too easy to paint.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Event organizers must make sure that there is prominent signage upon entry that commercial photography is strictly forbidden unless approved by the event organizer in writing and in advance.   In addition, &quot;approved&quot; photographers sign over all rights -- they get paid ONLY for their service not for their photographs.  I&#039;ve done this at events and heard complaints from photographers, but then, do I care what they think?  

2. We realize that photographers, especially Hartwell types that are &quot;party photographers&quot; have little or no inherent value and often times amateur candids are just as good as hers (or better).  Yes, yes, it&#039;s an art, it&#039;s a way to express yourself, etc -- but let&#039;s face it, painters have way more talent (I&#039;m lookin&#039; at YOU Ansel Adams! ).

3. Argue all you want about Flickr -- but if you want to REALLY protect your images, here&#039;s a crazy idea -- DON&#039;T PLACE THEM ON A PUBLIC SITE THATS EASY TO STEAL FROM! Use a site with a login, use watermarks, put some effort into protecting your photographs -- do you people leave your doors open?  

4. Someone PLEASE slam Hartwell in a parody using her image -- sure it&#039;ll give her publicity, but it&#039;d be fun anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Event organizers must make sure that there is prominent signage upon entry that commercial photography is strictly forbidden unless approved by the event organizer in writing and in advance.   In addition, &#8220;approved&#8221; photographers sign over all rights &#8212; they get paid ONLY for their service not for their photographs.  I&#8217;ve done this at events and heard complaints from photographers, but then, do I care what they think?  </p>
<p>2. We realize that photographers, especially Hartwell types that are &#8220;party photographers&#8221; have little or no inherent value and often times amateur candids are just as good as hers (or better).  Yes, yes, it&#8217;s an art, it&#8217;s a way to express yourself, etc &#8212; but let&#8217;s face it, painters have way more talent (I&#8217;m lookin&#8217; at YOU Ansel Adams! ).</p>
<p>3. Argue all you want about Flickr &#8212; but if you want to REALLY protect your images, here&#8217;s a crazy idea &#8212; DON&#8217;T PLACE THEM ON A PUBLIC SITE THATS EASY TO STEAL FROM! Use a site with a login, use watermarks, put some effort into protecting your photographs &#8212; do you people leave your doors open?  </p>
<p>4. Someone PLEASE slam Hartwell in a parody using her image &#8212; sure it&#8217;ll give her publicity, but it&#8217;d be fun anyway.</p>
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