December 20, 2007

Fair Use Vs. Free Speech in the Internet Age: The Lane Hartwell Problem

Erick Schonfeld

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The furor surrounding the now infamous Bubble video (embedded above) is not over. To recap: the parody video was watched more than one million times on YouTube, then taken down because photographer Lane Hartwell objected to the unauthorized use of one of her photos in the video, then put up again with the offending photo replaced and a list of credits at the end for all the images used.

Now, more photographers whose images are included in the video are raising objections including Ramona Rosales, whose picture of TechCrunch’s Michael Arrington (taken originally for my alma mater magazine, Business 2.0, see above) is featured. Echoing Hartwell, Rosales tells professional photography blog PDNPulse: “I’m totally against the unauthorized use of my image. I was never asked permission nor have I received any compensation for it’s use; . . . I will be contacting the Richter Scales today to remove my image.”

What we have here is a major disconnect between the norms of the offline world and the emerging norms of the Internet. Both the law and industry standards are trailing what is a major transformation in how people use other people’s words, music, and images in the Web’s culture of participation. Putting your photos up on Flickr (which Lane Hartwell did) and then acting surprised when someone uses them is like leaving your car in downtown Newark with the keys inside and acting surprised when it is, um, appropriated. The law may (or may not) be on Hartwell’s side (see below), but that is not the point. The law is outdated.

In the old days, someone might have clipped Hartwell’s image from a magazine and put it into a collage, or filmed it and put it into a private video. Nobody wold have known or complained. It is when the private becomes public, when that video is shared with millions on the Internet, that the issue arises. Because all of a sudden it becomes a broadcast, and if there is an ad on any webpage associated with the work, it becomes commercial.

The rights of the copyright holder have always been balanced against the more fundamental right of free speech. And free speech in the Internet age, more so than ever before, goes way beyond words and text. The way people express themselves on the Web increasingly involves images, video, animations, and other rich media, often in mash-ups of pre-existing works. That is how people communicate today. Both copyright law and industry standards need to evolve to take that into consideration.

That means the way creative people like Lane Hartwell get compensated for use of their work must evolve as well. Simply transposing the standards of the pre-Web world won’t work. Charging hundreds or thousands of dollars for a single image makes sense in a world of scarcity, where that image is used once by a magazine, for instance. On the Web, charging a lot upfront is the wrong model.

Charging at all may even be the wrong model. The currency of the Web, after all, is the link. If the Bubble video had proper links (preferably within the video itself as each image pops up) instead of just a list of credits at the end, that might actually be more valuable to each photographer than working out some piddling licensing deal. Links drive traffic, which would help each photographer find more clients and even sell more images on their own sites if they so choose. That is not the way things work today, but everyone would be better off if it was. And that is the crux of the Lane Hartwell problem. It is not her problem, it is all of ours.

Before we get to that, let’s talk about the law as it stands today. There have been arguments on both sides about whether the use of these images in the video would fall under the fair use doctrine of copyright law. Ultimately, only a court can decide. My co-editor Michael, who has a law degree from Stanford but is by no means a copyright expert, argues that it most certainly is fair use. Hartwell (and her lawyer) argue that it is not, principally because the image was used in its entirety without permission and the group who put the video up (the Richter Scales) stands to benefit from sales of their CD and concerts since there is a link to their site on their YouTube page.

Never mind that the Richter Scales is a not-for-profit a capella group that sold a total of eight CDs the week the original video was up. Under copyright law, it doesn’t matter. Damages are based on how much Hartwell could have sold those pictures for, and since she is a professional photographer, that would have been a lot. Unless, of course, all the publicity around the image has helped to drum up more business for Hartwell.

Like I say, you can argue both ways. Is the work transformative? Yes, the image takes on a new context within the video. Is it covered under parody if the video is not making fun of Hartwell’s image, but rather using it to make fun of Silicon Valley? Yes, because Hartwell as a Silicon Valley party photographer and the image in question of Valleywag editor Owen Thomas are both part of the very culture being parodied. (Thomas also happens to hail from Business 2.0—Time Inc. was right, that magazine was nothing but trouble). But Richter Scales took the entire image, and that is not allowed! Yes, but how do you take an “excerpt” from a photograph, unless you crop it? Anyway, a court might decide that the brief flash of Hartwell’s image in the original work constitutes an “incidental reproduction.” (And, no, I am not a lawyer).

The debate has spilled over into our comments. Blogger Robert Scoble points out that photographers like Hartwell are somewhat hypocritical, saying in one comment: “I think it really is lame to take pictures of people (who don’t get a cut of the profits) at parties, without being commissioned, and then send in invoices for that work when it gets used in a parody video.” Hartwell offers a lengthy response, noting the picture was in a public place and was for a news publication rather than for her own private commercial work. At the end, she sums up:

Finally, licensing images is how photographers make money. I didn’t invent the system, I just have to play by the rules. . . . I think a lot of the hatred here springs from the fact that people don’t understand the business of photography and how it is billed. Fair enough…But if you are going to point the finger at me for doing something that everyone in the photography business does, and say that I’m doing something unusual or unethical, I’m suggesting you educate yourself.

In other words, don’t blame Lane Hartwell, blame the system. Okay. The subsequent pile-on by the other photographers confirms that the system of both copyright law and how creators get paid for their work does not translate to the Internet. As Michael put it in his original post after the first takedown:

Societal ideals around what constitutes ownership over art are changing. People who try to protect and silo off their work are simply being ignored. Those that embrace the community, and give back to it not only allowing but asking for their work to be mashed up, re-used and otherwise embraced are being rewarded with attention. At the core is a basic implicit understanding - if you want to be part of the community, you have to give back to it, too.

There needs to be some reciprocity. But the old norms don’t scale. Getting permission from a hundred different photographers does not scale. It is, in fact, a limit on free speech because that video might never be made under those old rules. Let me suggest a better solution: under a certain threshold or for works that are truly non-commercial, images and other content available on the Web should be free to use. Once something hits a commercial level of popularity, if indeed it is commercial, that is when the licensing fees should kick in.

What would happen then? More people who are now “stealing” content would register for such licensing regimes, and photographers like Hartwell would see a flowering in their sources of income. Each license might not be what Hartwell and her ilk are used to in the offline world, but taken together they could become more significant. Now all we need is a startup to put such a licensing registration system into place. Any takers?

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  1. Joe

    STOP POSTING SHIT UNTIL YOU RELEASE THE CRUNCHIES. YOU’VE MISSED TWO DEADLINES.

  2. Sipboy

    There is definitely a bubble on the rise. Everyone is trying to cash in while they can. I think everybody should get what they can while they can, because the bubble will soon burst. Get yours by any means neccessary.

  3. Erik

    Links drive traffic, which would help each photographer find more clients and even sell more images on their own sites if they so choose.

    Why would they sell more photographs? Would not more photographs just be taken for free?

  4. Alex

    Very good post. But, please make them shorter. I had to stop have way through and drink a red bull:)

    I find myself agreeing with both sides of the equation. On one side of the aisle you have an egoistic approach. On the other side you a general utilitarian view. Which is right?

    Being that Arrington is a lawyer his input on this subject matter could be of interest?

  5. Jared

    This is just getting ridiculous. End of story. I hope the Richter Scales take a stand this time and don’t take down the the video.

  6. =)

    MA, send them a pic of yourself and ask them to replace it.
    you should do something against these stupid ppl.

  7. =)

    also, send Lane an invoice for posting comments on your blog. she was advertising.

  8. Search◊ Engines Web

    Here’s an amusing resolution :-D

    Imagine a backlash among subjects who’s pictures were taken, NOT allowing those photographers to take any more pictures of them.

    ROFL:
    Even more extreme, imagine a BAN list of photographers, where news makers refuse to allow their pictures to be taken by those on the list

    Without people letting you take their images - you have no income except nature scenes and gadgets.

  9. Spam Your Crappy Startup In The Comments

    Oh noes! People can’t just take whatever the hell they want off the internet for their music videos! What is the world coming to !?!?!

  10. Mark Levitt

    So Lane says: ” I didn’t invent the system, I just have to play by the rules. . . . ”

    But, she only wants to play by the parts of the rules that let her collect money for every use of the photograph. The rules that say people are allowed to use her work without permission or compensation under certain circumstances, she doesn’t think should exist.

    She can’t have it both ways.

  11. James

    “Putting your photos up on Flickr (which Lane Hartwell did) and then acting surprised when someone uses them is like leaving your car in downtown Newark with the keys inside and acting surprised when it is, um, appropriated. ”

    Totally unnecessary. You could’ve been nice and said “in a downtown area” instead of specifying Newark.

  12. sd

    someone please create a site that list all the photographers that would come to you if you use ur pic and get popular.

    I am scared now.

  13. IHaveNoOpinion

    Too long not readable..

  14. Joseph Price

    Erik, at the end of your piece, when you say that there should be an organization that facilitates the licensing of materials for commercial and non-commercial work. Can I suggest you look into Creative Commons?

    In fact, a few days ago CC released a new protocol, CC+:

    “CC+ is a protocol providing a simple way for users to get rights beyond the rights granted by a CC license. For example, a work’s Creative Commons license might offer noncommercial rights. With CC+, the license can also provide a link by which a user might secure rights beyond noncommercial rights — most obviously commercial rights, but also additional permissions or services such as warranty, permission to use without attribution, or even access to performance or physical media.”
    http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Ccplus

  15. Thomas

    Can you spell Hypocrisy? Go to lane’s blog and read the post about Radiohead’s Rainbows. In it she says that she hasn’t paid for music in seven years…

  16. Ben Nadel

    I am in the web development industry and I think that in a way, this is very similar to the photography industy as our are “real” product is our ability to think and solve problems. I write a lot of code and put it out on my site for anyone to use if they like. Do I feel like this endangers my ability to make money out of web development? The very opposite! By proving my worth as a developer, my blog acts as my resume through which I can get jobs.

    The same is true for photography. Do companies hire you to use your photos? Absolutely not. They hire you because they see you have a talent to transfer life to film and they need that skill for a particular article / journal / what have you; they are buying your talent, not your past works. Same is true when a web developer gets hired - we are all just work mules who’s output happens to be extremely skilled - we are physical laborers, only the muscle that we use is our mind.

    Now, if someone steals code that I did not make public by hacking into my machine or stealing a laptop - that is a different story. But, we are talking about public content here.

  17. Patrick Farrell

    I got married last Summer and couldn’t believe that it’s accepted practice for professional photographers to own the images that I paid them to produce. Seems like a racket to me. I hire a photographer to come to an event, completely paid for by me, to take pictures. In the end, he gives me a few prints, but owns the original images? I’ve noticed a lot of up and coming photographers I’m working with are not following suit.

    Of course, in Lane’s situation, it seems like more a copyright dispute. If you don’t attempt to protect your copyright, you lose it. She may be caught in a legal dilemma where she has to publicly go against popular thinking in order to protect her own rights.

  18. Deepak

    I take great pains in only using CC content for my Tumblelog (as an example), but on the other hand, I have this feeling that 85% of people on Flickr are either unaware of Creative Commons or don’t understand it. If people did, both consumers and creators, we’d be in much better shape. Those boundaries would be understood and respected. The problem comes when someone like Lane complains about a picture should probably have been CC-ed in the first place. Content producers don’t need to put a blanket “all rights reserved” on everything. As Erick correctly states, the distribution channels and usage behavior has changed too much. Old ways of thinking about art and ownership just don’t work anymore.

  19. Paulo

    James, because some downtown areas have more crime and population than others. Duh.

    Flickr = Newark, NJ

    Whereas….

    Zoomr = Akron, OH

    The photos were on flickr. That’s a prime location for theft. That was the point.

  20. jay

    I like how Lane Hartwell throws up her own coverage by the law when challenged on the representation of the actual person in the photo. She notes that “the picture was in a public place and was for a news publication rather than for her own private commercial work.”

    Well, if her image was on Flickr - which is a public place - and I took a screenshot (or a right-click, save as) of her image, wouldn’t that be covered in the same way? I’m just capturing the scene, just as she did with her technology (camera).

    It reminds me of celebrities who, when obscure, do everything for attention, and then when famous, complain about the paparazzi. If this were a few years ago, she would have relished the attention and the use of her work.

  21. M

    Great post. And don’t worry about the length.

    @4. Alex — Not everything needs to be a short clip. You stopped reading when you had enough. I read the whole thing because I wanted to read more. That’s what’s great about free. You decided when you’ve had enough and so did I.

    On the topic, my opinion is that just because a picture gets used in a video doesn’t mean it added value. It just happened to be accessible and at the right place at the right time when the video was created. Technically, if you follow the where the value was, shouldn’t Flikr be the one paid? They provided the access. No?

    Bottom line for me, people who want money for everything they happen to touch or expose are only cutting off their own potential to learn and grow. In the end, free will prevail and be rewarded.

    My 2 cents and I you don’t have to pay me if you use them.

  22. Simon

    Before copyright laws, artists - think Rembrandt, were paid up front and simply commissioned for their work. If their work was good the public would talk about about it and the chatter inspired people to visit the places where these works hung. This volume of foot traffic, i.e. audience, was usually proportionate to the size of the investment in the artist. The amount Rembrandt could charge grew accretively over his career, as his body of work became more known. Business’ and Governmental departments would commission Rembrandt for this reason. He was able to earn a substantial income (until he went mad) because A. He was exceptionally talented, and B. His art was ‘work-for-hire’. If copyright laws were around in his time he would have been more of a lawyer than an artist.

    Maybe todays artists should consider embracing the past and evolve from the royalty system. Artists, musicians, filmmakers, photographers et al can justify sizable revenues up front, if their work generates the ‘foot-traffic’. If Lane Hartwell embraced the exploitation of her work, by using it to self promote herself, she would undoubtedly make more money in the long-term from notoriety. What she should have done is used the bubble video as part of her repertoire to commanding a higher rate in future work. That’s what Rembrandt would have done!

  23. Commons

    “The rights of the copyright holder have always been balanced against the more fundamental right of free speech.”

    Actually, it’s between the rights of the creator/inventor and the needs of the commons. Free speech isn’t directly involved. No one is talking about what you can and can’t say, just whether/when you can use someone else’s work to say it … i.e., produce derivative and/or transformative content.

  24. Ellen Boughn

    Go to http://www.dreamstime.com. There you will find images that are free as well as others for as little as $1.00. New image licensing models are evolving to serve the mashup set. But unless a copyright holder agrees to those rules, the old ones that enabled photographers, writers and other artists to make a living from their efforts must prevail. If I want to loan my car to someone, I give them the keys. If someone wants to borrow it without my permission, it’s stealing.

  25. a sober note

    It is clear that Ms. Hartwell has a “paparazzi” mentality.

    Owen Thomas and Robert Scoble may not be Russell Crowe or Robert Redford, but they are “celebrities” in the tech community, and Ms. Hartwell went to a party specifically to take pictures of tech community celebrities like them so she could sell them for a profit (not for children’s charity, which she only brought up to have this holier-than-thou air).

    Everything for Ms. Hartwell is: money, money, money. To her, photography has little to do with “fair use” or “free speech”, which she apparently despises.

    Down here in tinseltown, movie actors, famous or semi-famous, have to endure these image-leeches (or “Shadow Pirates” as I call them politely), we think it’s the trade-off of Hollywood, and yet it is amusing to see that Silicon Valley is turning into Hollywood North.

  26. Morgan

    Dumb.

    “Putting your photos up on Flickr (which Lane Hartwell did) and then acting surprised when someone uses them is like leaving your car in downtown Newark with the keys inside and acting surprised when it is, um, appropriated.”

    So in your opinion, Newark’s auto theft laws are outdated as well? Where do you park, by the way?

    Then you proceed to say links are the currency of the web– that may or may not be correct. But in a voluntary transaction, you don’t just take something and say “Yeah, I left the link on the counter, whether that was the asking price or not.” The price is Lane Hartwell’s to set, and if someone dislikes the terms she sets for her photos, then they can find another one.

    It’s pretty childish, when there are a million photos out there, and since they obviously found a replacement, to pretend Richter Scales couldn’t be bothered to actually think about the content they were using, instead putting the onus on the creators that are completely unaware of what Richter Scales is doing.

    If free is the way to go, anyone here is welcome to go out and acquire the images in demand by folks like Richter Scales and give them away. They are not free, however, to decide to assume that everyone else in the universe agrees to do the same.

  27. An Actual, Real Artist

    Actually, it’s nothing like stealing a car in Newark or any other downtown area. Because it isn’t stealing. Infringement is not theft. It’s called something different because it is something different. The creator posts the image to the public Internet as a promotional tool, and is unable to assume that any unauthorized use of the image incurs a cost to them (as in this case, rather than pay the content producers simply stopped using the image, so there was no loss to the image producer.) If somehow a loss is correctly quantifiable (and I have yet to see anyone lawfully make the argument that it is– they like to make up figures that aren’t supported by anything anywhere), the fact that it was posted in public as a promotion means any loss is a business expense anyway.

    Secondly, as Hartwell said herself if you are out in public she doesn’t need your permission to take your photo. So why if she posts her work in it’s entirety on the public Internet can she expect a protection which doesn’t exist for the subject that generated her work? Also, doesn’t she need a release to use the image commercially (self-promotion) if the subject is identifiable? I thought that’s why the news footage used in stories about fat people always shows them from the neck down– so they don’t need a release.

    Basically, Hartwell is a business-person who takes pictures– not an artist. And if she can’t figure out how to capitalize on 1 million people seeing her work in a viral promotion that cost her nothing without remitting ludircrous invoices to glee clubs to cover her made up “losses” , she isn’t a very clever business-person.

  28. Don

    Erick, I think LH is making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill, but I’m a little confused. Is it fair use for someone to take a photo of you (that you took) off of Flickr, and animate it so it says all kinds of things that you or I might find offensive? Note, not slanderous, just offensive.

  29. Thomas Hawk

    If TRS want to use any of my photos of Mike Arrington instead feel free.

    Here’s a link to a set of my images of Mike.

    http://www.zooomr.com/photos/t.....ets/26479/

  30. a sober note

    Thank you, Thomas Hawk! You are a very enlightened man and true artist.

    (clapping heavily…)

  31. Senko

    “… how do you take an “excerpt” from a photograph, unless you crop it?”

    I don’t think anyone argued about this point, but it seems obvious to me that a picture extracted from a flash video is nowhere near the quality of the original (I haven’t seen the original, but would assume it wasn’t taken with a phone camera), and really can’t be used for nothing else than thumbnail (or in another video of same resolution).

    In this sense, isn’t it an excerpt? So, what’s the fuss all about? (hypotetical question, of course)

  32. jb

    The biggest key to determining fair use is the nature of the publication and does it hamper the creator’s ability to make money from it.

    1) Is it commercial? Are they making money from its use? Since it was posted on YouTube then it seems the answer is likely no.

    2) Does it hurt the photographer’s ability to profit from the work? Clearly no. People cannot simply capture the fuzzy-quality frame from YouTube to avoid paying for her work nor would it hurt her chances at future photography work.

    Case closed. Fair use.

  33. Erik Dungan

    Great post.

    My company builds websites for photographers (a lot of them). Our CMS allows a photographer to add background music to a site.

    Guess what? A lot of them add .mp3s of popular music to their site.

  34. dave

    Great article, Erick.

    I actually switched my Flickr photos to a CC license last night because of her reactions…but I have to say..its not easy to understand.

    I’m still not sure if there’s any real solution to this that would make both camps happy….although I like the idea from Ellen (but would they need to ask if you they wanted to make fun or critique your car?)

    However…until then, I will be taking photos from Lane at every point possible in my production of a parody of her, her work and cabbage patch kids.

    Lane is to photography what Prince is to the music industry. Joan of Arc called…she’d like her martyrdom back.

  35. asshat

    who owns the copyright on stupid? they need to go after Lane for infringement.

  36. Chris R.

    why do you keep floating this non-story to the top?

    Are you guys her PR agents? It looks it.

  37. Hashim Warren

    the burden should be on the borrower to make sure everything is either paid for, or permissible under fair use. The burden should not be on the creator to have to police everyone who wants to use it.

    Photographers already have a scalable way to sell their work - through stock photo services.

    And photographers already have a scalable way to give permission to use their photos through Creative Commons.

  38. Grasping Hands

    @Commons: well, that’s the thing, and probably one of the bigger questions of our time. For any kind of “speech” to become “speech” (instead of staying “thought”), it requires embedding in some medium (vibrations in air forming the sound of a sequence of words, black ink on paper forming the shapes of words, etc.).

    At the moment, the “older set” in the legal and creative community holds to a kind of neo-platonism, for lack of a better term: they believe there’s some kind of ethereal “thing I want to say”, for which I the creator have my choice of a vast number of possible “ways to say it”…and “freedom of speech” is only really a freedom concerning content, not presentation.

    This way of thinking was reasonable back when print was the dominant medium — the “content” of my writing doesn’t really vary if it’s 84 point comic sans on poster paper or 12 point times on newsprint. The great advantage of digital media is that the media itself is infinitely flexible, though, and often times the media used are increasingly the message, as well.

    For younger folks growing up on the internet, it is very hard to separate content from presentation. (The medium is the message, per McLuhan, who looks to have been a generation ahead of his time).

    Think of the “anime music video” stuff on youtube, wherein teenagers sync up some popular song of their liking with appropriate clips from some anime series they like; “better” clips exhibit more-judicious matching of video clips to musical phrases. It’s not clear what kind of platonic “message”, if any, these videos transmit, other than the message “this clip goes with this phrase, and this clip goes with this phrase, etc.”.

    For such “creative works”, there’s no real way to separate content and presentation, and so it goes throughout the digital realm: the Richter Scales could’ve just typed out a poem about how “web 2.0 is the new overhyped bubble”, but that’s intrinsically different “speech” from the musical slideshow they made instead.

    So we have a bit of a generational and ideological battle shaping up: a notion of “freedom of speech” that only extends to freedom of choice in one’s “message” is inadequate for the internet and digital media, because it is increasingly the case that for most uses of digital media the “message” and “medium” are impossible to cleanly untangle.

    If the units with which people “speak” stop being mostly just words — which are long since out of copyright — but include images, videos, and so on, restrictions on the use of images and video, etc., become issues of “free speech” in a way they weren’t in earlier times.

  39. Coffee Man

    To #27 and all you other photogs that just don’t get it:

    As Erick wrote “…because Hartwell as a Silicon Valley party photographer and the image in question of Valleywag editor Owen Thomas are both part of the very culture being parodied…”

    Last I checked Silicon Valley parties are usually invite only, except for gate crashers that get away with it like Sarah. That means Lane and all you other complainers need to be hired or get an invite.

    Guess what…..you won’t be getting these invites anytime soon after this ridiculous litigious B.S.

    Secondly, anyone who does in the future will most likely be required to sign a contract that states the event planner/organizer/etc…, will have full rights to any and all uses of the photos in the future….or no gig!

    So now you’ve lost booking revenue, and now you’ve lost residual revenue all because you can’t see the forest through the trees. Congrats.

    I feel for you I really do, but hiding behind the law and hiring lawyers is never the way to advance business. You need good if not great marketing advice and a sound strategy on how to build your brand (which is you).

    Brands that are out there bitching, whining, complaining, writing threatening letters, etc., etc., are not making friends/followers/believers, which is what you need to be successful.

    Lastly to Ellen who mentioned dreamstime.com, the $1.00 price at dreamstime does not necessarily include full commercial rights to a photo, and your statement is slightly misleading.

  40. So What?

    posting comment is bunch waste of time. We are not help you.

    Mike. If you have problem. You have to do it by yourself.

  41. Jason

    Didn’t David Bowie vs. Vanilla Ice settle this crap ages ago?

  42. Sean

    If you don’t want your stuff used, keep it to yourself. You post your pictures online to get publicity, but I guess you just don’t want too much. Instead of complaining about people using your images, start your own story on the web saying how cool it is that your work is used in a popular video. You become more well known and get more business. It’s a win win. But people are too short sighted and greedy these days.

  43. tinou

    Please stop using phrases like “free speech”. Freedom of speech = monks in Burma getting killed (lack thereof). This brouhaha is about a band being too lazy to credit/ask permission, and a copyright Nazi photographer. Equating this distraction with the “fundamental right of free speech” is really, really, really stretching it; and an insult to those who have actually suffered censorship The Richter Scales are free to make a video blasting Lane Hartwell and Lane Hartwell is free to blog. This is not a freedom issue.

  44. Thomas Hawk

    Hey check this out. Someone used on of my images to make a friend a t-shirt on Cafe Press. And I didn’t get a red cent!

    http://lagesse.org/a-wonderful.....iful-view/

    Awesomeness.

    Share the love, share the art!

  45. New Idea Auditing Department

    Erick,

    You just described the public policy behind the fair use balancing test when you said:

    >>> Let me suggest a better solution: under a certain threshold or for works that are truly non-commercial, images and other content available on the Web should be free to use. Once something hits a commercial level of popularity, if indeed it is commercial, that is when the licensing fees should kick in.

    In other words, this public policy goal is already embodied in the law.

  46. Brad Flora

    Can I add a fancy border around the Richter Scales video, post it on my own web site and tell people that I made it? That’d be fair use, right? The Richter Scales wouldn’t mind that at all would they?

  47. The Aesthetic Elevator

    I have a friend in the Northwest who, as a photographer, decided NOT to play by the rules. She made up her own rules and, from what I can tell, makes money as a freelance photographer who relinquishes all rights to the client.

    Makes sense to me in a lot of instances when photographer and reproduction (read “online posting”) of images is so easy and prominent, although there MAY be a few instances there the older model is still the better model.

  48. Commons

    @ Grasping Hands …

    … good point. Makes things even stickier-er….

    I wish more people were interested in discussing principles and implications behind these kinds of things, rather than just bashing individuals or making foolish or intentionally antagonistic remarks … sigh.

  49. Tim

    I can (somewhat) understand the first round of complaints from Hartwell, but the recent Rosales tiff just baffles me. Richter Scales provided credits for all the photos used in the video. What else do they need to do?

    It seems like a few freelance photographers could use a crash course in marketing. Here’s a perfect opportunity for them to leverage an advertising opportunity, and they’re totally blowing it. Richter Scales isn’t making millions off this video, so ambulance chasing is not the appropriate response here.

  50. David Litsky

    Why would this even go to court? The costs associated with that solution far outweigh the benefits of “winning”. We should stop looking at this issue as a matter of who is right and who is wrong in this specific case, and find an amicable solution to the problem as a whole. The easiest way to limit ones intellectual property from being used without permission is to avoid putting it on the internet altogether, but that doesn’t solve any problems and creates a fear of change. These issues are going to continue unless the community can find that medium between fairly using people’s work and providing a form of compensation.

  51. Chris R.

    If I have to see that picture of Mike A. one more time with the cigar I am going to convulse. I wish this issue would go away.

  52. Jim McNeely

    The problem isn’t with Ms. Lane or with The Richter Scales. The internet itself lacks the basic infrastructure to allow the aggregation of content following rules set by the content owner in the marketplace. The internet, like any software system, should have been designed to support the interests of all its users and stakeholders, and it was not. What is needed is a technological solution to this obvious and burgeoning problem. All of the talk about doing away with copyright or demonizing one or the other party in this situation completely misses the point.

  53. Nick

    Ramona is a personal friend of mine. I’ll try to contact her and let her know the history of the past couple of weeks.

  54. BottomLine

    Wow, there’s a lot of whining going on on both sides of the fence. Sure, there’s the way it’s been, and the way it “should” be, whatever either actually is, but the way I see it is more in practical terms. The bottom line is today there are realities on the Internet and there are realities in the laws. One thing no one can deny is that the publicity around this fiasco has been huge, and I’m guessing helpful for both the Richter Scales and Lane, but probably more so the Richter Scales. However, the other thing that can’t be denied is that by not using licensed photography, which would have been sooooo easy searching for CC-licensed material, the Ritcher Scales have opened themselves up to the possibility of an endless onslaught of pissed off photographers. And, at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter if this is declared fair use or not, because the photags can go after them in court either way. Then, it becomes a matter of many against one, and in our legal system, THAT’S what won’t “scale” for the Richter Scales. Not only that, the reality is they could actually lose, and that might have real consequences — just look at the recent music case, I know it’s different, but man, you wouldn’t want that judgment against you now would you? So, at the end of the day, this is a balance between two risks, the risks of not getting licensed work, the risks of not even attributing such works, the risks of whether photogs will sue you, and the benefits of the PR. So far, the Scales are winning, but with a second photog coming out to protest, it’s not that hard to see the real risks to the Richter Scales — REGARDLESS of whether this is deemed fair use or not, a bunch of lawsuits will be an expensive distraction regardless.

    So, it seems to me, given the REALITIES of today’s environment, you might want to be more careful, more diligent, etc. when finding content for your mashups. Again, it’s not hard to find CC content, it’s not even that hard to contact content owners, and many will give permission once asked anyway. But to completely ignore the rights and interests of other artists, at least with a simple question of may I use it (and I disagree that doesn’t scale, that’s a cop out), you’re just begging for this kind of hassle. And although it’s working out for them now, so has p2p music downloading, it could end for someone else (or them eventually) in a very negative way (like the recent p2p ruling of thousands of dollars). Why not just do your homework? That protects you, and it acknowledges the other artists that you’re building off of, which is really the “right” thing to do regardless of laws. It’s common sense, I mean these morons originally didn’t even pay thanks to the folks whose work they leveraged. That’s just lame IMHO, but that doesn’t really matter, what matter is the realities of the situation. Lane got the image pulled. Now another photog is making waves. And then they’re may be another or more, and at some point, money could easily get involved, if not in a direct payment to make the photog go away, then via a judgment against them, or a settlement, or at a minimum, the costs of defending a suite, which won’t be cheap.

  55. Erick Schonfeld

    Fair use is inextricably linked to free speech. In fact, it is a form of free speech. That is why parody is protected as fair use, for instance.

    Creative Commons, as some have mentioned, is one solution. But usually that is an all or nothing proposition. What I am talking about at the end of the post is a license that allows anyone to copy and use a work for free until it starts making some serious money, at which point all the contributors would get paid at some predefined scale. But not before then. This would allow unfettered experimentation and production of content, while still rewarding creators when those derivative works become economically viable.

    Otherwise people ignore copyright as they do today, or those works never get created.

  56. Miller

    You hate Sploggers:
    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....tribution/

    and you told this guy to go to hell:
    http://www.crunchnotes.com/?p=92

    It seems like you’re interested in protecting your original content (that you have available via RSS and even post to a…blog), why not photographers?

    I’m not claiming to be a steadfast copyright protector, but you just seem a bit hypocritical.

  57. Useful Concept

    Another thing to consider is the changing role of the professional photographer. Many times we (businesses, consumers, etc) are turning to non pro photographers to meet many of our needs (friends, coworkers, etc). This removes many of the licensing issues for wedding photos, media photos, etc. Pro photogaphers are certainly still valuable, but not needed as often. As such I see a big shift in how money, licensing and use will be viewed in the years to come.

  58. Rob La Gesse

    I’m the proud owner of the Thomas Hawk T-Shirt (comment #46 above), thanks to my friend Kami for making it. I’ve warn it twice, and both times I had many people ask me about the shirt, and several of them wrote down Thomas’ URL (which Kami prominently added to the shirt) so they could look at more of his amazing art.

    When you share, everybody wins.

    Rob

  59. videoblogger

    Great post. I saw this same view on John Furrier’s new blog http://www.furrier.org around a ‘civil war’. PodTech was tangled in this a while back with Bui Lan over some photo on flickr.

    http://furrier.org/2007/12/18/.....e-commons/

    http://furrier.org/2007/12/18/.....e-commons/

    What made me interested is this ‘civil war’ battle brewing amongst the community. I agree with Furrier.org and TC that it’s a big problem and the law is broken. We need a solution fast either explicit or implicit among the community of bloggers, videobloggers, and photographers.

    I’m a z-lister and I want my work discovered and Lane Hartwell isn’t helping with her publicity stunt.

  60. Alejandro

    I’m very disappointed about the quality of Tech Crunch every time that some writers like you, Erick Schonfeld, use this blog to deliver what seems to be completely personal battles.
    I did not even finished reading it but really wanted to express my disappointment, hoping the many comments are not taken as proof of success of the writer and his “skills” as a communicator…
    Regards to the rest of the team.

  61. Kami Huyse

    As the person who put your photo on the (one) t-shirt for a friend, I thank Thomas Hawk for being so open with his work BTW, I didn’t make any money off of it either, just made a friend happy and hopefully drove more traffic to Thomas Hawk’s amazing photography.

    I do have a problem though with people that use other people’s work to make money. In that case, I think that they should work with the artist, photog or author for permission. Also, on Flickr they should use the creative commons licensing that is available.

  62. Glen M

    microstock phenomenon put a enough professional photographers out of business. who wants to pay $300 for an image if you can get it for $1 from istockphoto hassle-free. photographers are very pissed and act irrationally.

    The image was used as parody. Look at Perez Hilton, he can put any image he wants. He adds some “doodles”, calls it parody, and wins any court case. I doubt that this lady expects her invoice to be paid, all she needs is publicity and she is getting plenty of it.

  63. Anon

    Leaving your keys in your car isn’t the same, because people explicitly know taking your car is wrong and is stealing. On Flickr, the assumption is that people want to share their photos for friends and family to enjoy. There’s no immediate assumption that its professional work, that it is not meant to be consumed but to represent a portfolio, or that redistributing is not allowed. If she wanted to show off a portfolio, she should have done what every other professional does - use a specific site that expresses that intent.

    This is more like putting out a bowl of candies in the waiting room at a doctor’s office, and then calling the police when a child takes one.

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  65. Fake Thomas Hawk

    As Fake Thomas Hawk, the photographer who’s work was put on a T-Shirt for someone’s friend, I’d like to thank again the people that make T-Shirts from my photographs. When people make stuff from my photographs, I truly win, because then I get to blog about it.

    Of course, the only way this works is that I’m not really a professional photographer. I have a day job managing a hedge fund, or being an accountant or something. So I can buy $5000 cameras and $2000 lens kits without blinking. That enables me to make stunning photographs that I can put on my for-profit subscription web site, Zooooooomr. Although there’s not much of a profit in being CEO of a photo sharing site! Ho ho! Lucky for me I have a day job.

    Anyway, all I have to say to people who actually try to make a living through their photography is: Too bad for you. Aside from giving away my photography for free, because I don’t need the money to support my family, I am also blogging and twittering and podcasting and commenting and doing everything I can to shame people that do. Need money. From photography.

    And Lane, you should consider mortgaging your house to fund a photo-sharing site where you can make money from other people sharing their own photos. No house? Oh, too bad for you.

  66. gregory

    your conclusions… that is how i feel about pirate software… if i am using it to make money, buy it, if i am just using it to express myself, if i find a pirate copy, no problem….

    somehow, i dont think the bsa would agree, and so why would the world of photos be different?

  67. underage gal

    @Glen M

    yes, this is the how the supply demand works. it happens in every industry (extensively in tech outsourcing) and will go on. some ppl just don’t understand it and make a big deal of out it. if you can’t take it, leave the business and do something else.

  68. tinou

    >> Erick Schonfeld: Fair use is inextricably linked to free speech. In fact, it is a form of free speech.

    Fair use only applies to free speech as it prevents copyright holders from using copyrights to censor. There is no censorship in this debate. It’s not a form of free speech–it allows for free speech in limited circumstances where an entity is trying to censor.

  69. Tom Reeves

    It took me too long to wade in with a thought. I did post one on my blog. My thought is that the currency of exchange is currency. Links are not currency.

    Copyright law may be either abiguous or outdated. But cash isn’t. And that point is awfully easy to forget when something is being ‘appropriated.’

    Erick did say my favorite work: “reciprocity”. But he failed to link to Lane Hartwell. Funny.

  70. Boomer

    Here’s the post Thomas #15 is referring to:

    http://fetching.net/2007/10/radiohead-in-rainbows/

    “I just downloaded the new Radiohead CD. This is the first time I’ve paid for music in about 7 years. Oddly enough, I think the last CD I bought was Radiohead.”

    Has Ms. Hartwell not acquired any new music for the last seven years? Or is she a total hypocrite?

  71. Thomas Hawk

    Anyway, all I have to say to people who actually try to make a living through their photography is: Too bad for you. Aside from giving away my photography for free, because I don’t need the money to support my family, I am also blogging and twittering and podcasting and commenting and doing everything I can to shame people that do. Need money. From photography.

    Haha, nice one!

    Actually I’ve made thousands of dollars from my photography — which has more than paid for all of my equipment and then some many times over. I’ve also made thousands of dollars from ads on my blog where people come to see and sometimes use my photography for free.

    I’ve had my photos sold for greeting cards, magazine covers, for national television commercials (Choice Hotels did a great cover version of Johnny Cash’s “I’ve Been Everywhere and I got $$$), and have frequently been published in local magazines like San Francisco Magazine and Diablo Magazine *for pay.* I’ve made plenty of money as a professional photographer. I just see fair use and generosity in many cases being more helpful to my photography business not harmful.

    I’ve also gotten lots of bartered payments as well. When Darren Solomon wanted to use one of my photos for his latest Science for Girls CD and didn’t really have money to pay I said fine and he sent me 10 of the CDs. When someone wanted to use my photos for the Venice Film Festival they gave me a gift certificate from Amazon.com

    Sure, I could get upset and wound up when people use my work without asking or attribution. But why? No, maybe I don’t squeeze every last nickel out of the turnip, but life’s too short and I believe that in the end being open and generous is better — both for me personally as well as for my photography business.

    When The Grateful Dead set up a taping section at their live shows many naysayers criticized this as a surefire way to have their stuff bootlegged and stolen. You know what? The Dead didn’t care. And the Dead not only had a great time but they made plenty of money themselves in the process. This is the superior business model for the digital age.

    And finally. I would *never* hit another artist with a DMCA takedown request no matter what. Art, all art, should be encouraged, not discouraged. Even when it liberally borrows from other’s work to create it. There certainly are times when it is appropriate to pursue copyright infringement and there are times when it’s best to share the love that is knowing that your art was used by someone else to also create something interesting.

    The Real (not fake) Thomas Hawk

  72. Bogart

    @65 Bwaaaa Haaaaa! Haaaa! ROTFLMAO!!! This applies to good old Tomas Hawk’s buddy Robert Scoble also. Hey guys, don’t quit your day jobs!

  73. Erik

    And finally. I would *never* hit another artist with a DMCA takedown request no matter what. Art, all art, should be encouraged, not discouraged. Even when it liberally borrows from other’s work to create it.

    In her defense…

    I believe she didn’t send the take down notice until the band told her to fuck off after she asked for a photo credit or removal of her picture.

    If you’re going to make the case for this video having promotional value for her, the quid pro quo needs to be there in terms of credit.

  74. tinou

    hey there Thomas Hawk, old friend. i actually agree with you, but you’re not suggesting that your views/perspective should be imposed on others, right? if lane hartwell wants to be a grinch, isn’t it her right to be a grinch?

  75. cbmeeks

    That video was funny.

  76. Thomas Hawk

    hey there Thomas Hawk, old friend. i actually agree with you, but you’re not suggesting that your views/perspective should be imposed on others, right? if lane hartwell wants to be a grinch, isn’t it her right to be a grinch?

    I have no problem with her being a grinch — if she wants to harm her business in this space that’s her business. I do have a problem though when people misuse the DMCA because they don’t understand fair use. The only opinion I’ve actually heard on this case from a real life lawyer, Jason Schultz, pretty strongly argued the use of imagery in this case was fair use. I’ve yet to see another lawyer come forward with a dissenting opinion.

    When Michael Crook “misunderstood” the DMCA and had Flickr pull down fair use imagery (along with dozens of comments and commentary permanently deleted from our community of ideas) I was pretty pissed.

  77. mcd

    Lane Hartwell’s photo was probably downloaded from:

    http://blog.wired.com/photos/u.....omas_2.jpg

    I put the link on my blog with a credit for Lane. Is that allowed? Defensible? Actionable?

    Does anyone know a free lawyer? Is there a lawyer in the house?

  78. ben

    >.Getting permission from a hundred different photographers does not scale.

    Your idea of “scaling” _seems_ to boil down to “it’s so easy to copy and paste; it’s so much work for me to get permission so why should i have to.”

    > It is, in fact, a limit on free speech because that video might never be
    > made under those old rules

    yes, and so what?

    Should print book publishers be able to stop “getting permissions from hundreds of photographers” too when they publish? after all it is very expensive for print publishers to do all that legwork. From a permissions standpoint, why make it harder for print publishers to publish than web?

  79. Glen M

    agree with a poster above - Ms. Hartwell acts as a typical “paparazzi”. she is selling photos of celebrities and takes offense if she does not get a credit or money. that’s how professional photographers make money - weddings, real estate, corporate events (work on assignment) or the paparazzi thing.

    “licensing images is how photographers make money” - b/s, it’s gone. either work on assignment or turn your downloads on multiple micro-stock sites to cash. Besides celebrities like Scoble or Owen, can Ms. Hartwell show a photo that does not have a close counterpart on fotolia?

  80. Tom Reeves

    If you consume digits, you might diminish the art as part of your justification to appropriate it with little, or no compensation. Hypocrisy as self-defense.

    If you produce digits, you might diminish the consumer to thief and scream victim without providing legitimate means for easy, honorable behavior. Co-dependence as self-mutilation.

  81. Motivation?

    #58 makes a great point, and I would like to hear your response to it, Erick. I get a sense that your real underlying motivation is that you don’t think photography deserves the same respect as an art and a craft as blogging, and therefore its output doesn’t deserve the same protection. Hm - “all” Lane Hartwell is doing is taking photos of other people (and subsequently claiming ownership of her assortment of pixels), “all” you are doing is writing about other people’s ideas (and subsequently claiming ownership of your assortment of words). Let me pop one level up and say that by ranking crafts by their level of sophistication, it’s ok to re-use other people’s digital photos, it’s ok to copy and re-blog other people’s blog posts, but then maybe it’s not ok to re-use and re-print other people’s well-researched and well-written Wall Street Journal articles. You see how easy this random-line-drawing exercise is?

  82. Steve Ballmer

    Not a problem. Say what you want, pay for it later or just keep your stupid mouth shut!
    fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  83. alan p

    @ 83…Actually, photography is more like journalism, and blogging is essentially ripping its economics out by providing free writing. UGC photography today is so prevalent that “pro” photography is - except where the subject matter is rare - virtually valueless. Taking a photograph was once in and of itself an art, now its a commodity you do on a mobile phone.

    At present copyright is being used as an artificial barrier to prop up pricing - but that is clearly not long-term sustainable.

    One could argue that Lane’s photo had zero value *until* RS used it in the video…..