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	<title>Comments on: Founders Fund Closes $220 Million Second Fund</title>
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		<title>By: The Amplify Clog &#187; Yammer raises $5,000,000</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amplify Clog &#187; Yammer raises $5,000,000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Founders Fund and Charles River Ventures, according to founder David Sacks. The Founders Fund is a $220 million seed fund whose partners are mostly former execs from PayPal, where Sacks himself was the COO. Read more at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Founders Fund and Charles River Ventures, according to founder David Sacks. The Founders Fund is a $220 million seed fund whose partners are mostly former execs from PayPal, where Sacks himself was the COO. Read more at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yammer Raises $5 Million For Workgroup Micro-Messaging</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yammer Raises $5 Million For Workgroup Micro-Messaging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Founders Fund is a $220 million seed fund whose partners are mostly former execs from PayPal, where Sacks himself was the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: What is Series FF stock? : Startup Company Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>What is Series FF stock? : Startup Company Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fund raising a $220 million fund in December 2007. See additional coverage from Venture Beat, TechCrunch and the Mercury [...]</description>
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		<title>By: h+ Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Founders Fund II</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-2039701</link>
		<dc:creator>h+ Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Founders Fund II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael. 2007, December 17. &quot;Founders Fund Closes $220 Million Second Fund.&quot; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-1853664</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look closely one of the blazer has a white stain. lol. If you want their attention, try a paypal clone ; ) or hire a former paypal employee (that they liked)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look closely one of the blazer has a white stain. lol. If you want their attention, try a paypal clone ; ) or hire a former paypal employee (that they liked)</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Kuhn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-1853598</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony Kuhn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys are poised on the edge of greatness, with their disruptive investment methods and a focus on the smart/quick-moving smaller startup scene. I hope they are very successful with their new Founders Fund II</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys are poised on the edge of greatness, with their disruptive investment methods and a focus on the smart/quick-moving smaller startup scene. I hope they are very successful with their new Founders Fund II</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-1853062</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - I looked at the FF website and it looks worth an email - so I sent of some info

But like a former poster you do get weary sending off info and getting no response

Still as a founder getting the no no no no no no responses is a good way to own more of the the company! 

Simon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well &#8211; I looked at the FF website and it looks worth an email &#8211; so I sent of some info</p>
<p>But like a former poster you do get weary sending off info and getting no response</p>
<p>Still as a founder getting the no no no no no no responses is a good way to own more of the the company! </p>
<p>Simon</p>
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		<title>By: Dirk</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-1852707</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has anyone read Black Swans - great book taught me a lot about trading but more so about fat tail events - congrats to Peter Thiel &amp; his buddies on securing the second fund. I wish I could invest with them b/w an adjusted Kiva model for pe, hedge funds and VC firms would be great.

@ Eric Dewhirst: I hope they soon start shopping on iTailor on f-book for their shirts;-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has anyone read Black Swans &#8211; great book taught me a lot about trading but more so about fat tail events &#8211; congrats to Peter Thiel &amp; his buddies on securing the second fund. I wish I could invest with them b/w an adjusted Kiva model for pe, hedge funds and VC firms would be great.</p>
<p>@ Eric Dewhirst: I hope they soon start shopping on iTailor on f-book for their shirts;-0</p>
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		<title>By: AnonTroll</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1852539</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonTroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about connections I agree but perhaps not so much nepotism as much as it is about trust. Think about it, recommendations from friends are more credible than a random stranger on the street, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all about connections I agree but perhaps not so much nepotism as much as it is about trust. Think about it, recommendations from friends are more credible than a random stranger on the street, no?</p>
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		<title>By: YDRIVE</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851714</link>
		<dc:creator>YDRIVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@vrox -- &lt;b&gt;very&lt;/b&gt; true.

That said, other than nepotism, let me also quote Jack Ma (of alibaba.com)
saying of - VC&#039;s follow great companies, not great companies follow VC&#039;s.

So, there&#039;s not much use to &quot;beg the VC.&quot; It just won&#039;t work and waste
your time, if without connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vrox &#8212; <b>very</b> true.</p>
<p>That said, other than nepotism, let me also quote Jack Ma (of alibaba.com)<br />
saying of &#8211; VC&#8217;s follow great companies, not great companies follow VC&#8217;s.</p>
<p>So, there&#8217;s not much use to &#8220;beg the VC.&#8221; It just won&#8217;t work and waste<br />
your time, if without connections.</p>
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		<title>By: vrox</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851606</link>
		<dc:creator>vrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with #35. Its all connections, connections, connections. Just look at what Founders Funds put money into. People they &quot;know&quot;. This why crap gets funded and people wonder &quot;wtf?&quot;. 

America is all about nepotism these days, from funding to the presidency. 
You can still make it on your &quot;own&quot;, but its getting harder and harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #35. Its all connections, connections, connections. Just look at what Founders Funds put money into. People they &#8220;know&#8221;. This why crap gets funded and people wonder &#8220;wtf?&#8221;. </p>
<p>America is all about nepotism these days, from funding to the presidency.<br />
You can still make it on your &#8220;own&#8221;, but its getting harder and harder.</p>
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		<title>By: VC ownership</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851574</link>
		<dc:creator>VC ownership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Steve Jobs apply VC, hired John Scully, and later fire him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Steve Jobs apply VC, hired John Scully, and later fire him.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851569</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jon. I&#039;ve heard these comments re: US VC&#039;s before and I agree that eventually we&#039;d have to move there. It&#039;s pretty tough finding people in Australia that have been through it and are willing to give up their time (in fact I haven&#039;t found anybody here that has). It&#039;s pretty frustrating working on the web, developing web based products but knowing that any chance of real growth means moving half way around the world. But, I guess if thats what it takes .... 

I have replaced the previous demo I uploaded earlier with a newer version with narrative. Our product isn&#039;t world changing but we feel that it does have a real market potential - we&#039;ve proven it already with the previous incarnation of the system having built sites for Sony BMG, Ryobi and Optus using our first flash-based CMS.

http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/

Cheers

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jon. I&#8217;ve heard these comments re: US VC&#8217;s before and I agree that eventually we&#8217;d have to move there. It&#8217;s pretty tough finding people in Australia that have been through it and are willing to give up their time (in fact I haven&#8217;t found anybody here that has). It&#8217;s pretty frustrating working on the web, developing web based products but knowing that any chance of real growth means moving half way around the world. But, I guess if thats what it takes &#8230;. </p>
<p>I have replaced the previous demo I uploaded earlier with a newer version with narrative. Our product isn&#8217;t world changing but we feel that it does have a real market potential &#8211; we&#8217;ve proven it already with the previous incarnation of the system having built sites for Sony BMG, Ryobi and Optus using our first flash-based CMS.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/'>http://www.marc...al.com.au/demo/</a></p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Drop dead</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851563</link>
		<dc:creator>Drop dead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve B is correct. You can&#039;t keep the company you&#039;ve created; Investors own it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve B is correct. You can&#8217;t keep the company you&#8217;ve created; Investors own it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Doerr</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851505</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Doerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisW.

There are very few VC&#039;s in Oz who get it. Maybe some of the guys at Jagen (Vic) but otherwise yes - there ain&#039;t much opportunity for explosive growth with Australian based VC&#039;s. 

If you want US funding, you have to move to the US. Period. (Maybe there are exceptions but they are *very* few and far between but a flash based CMS system isn&#039;t distruptive so it would be an uphill battle. There are valley VC&#039;s that won&#039;t invest in companies more than an hour drive from their office - their time is everything, so engaging them if you don&#039;t have a base there is just going to eat time and money.

You have some good short term money options in Oz - COMET, EMDG, Austrade - use them to help you get over there. Engage firms like BSI/Anzatech to help you navigate the US landscape. Speak to Australian companies who are over there, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisW.</p>
<p>There are very few VC&#8217;s in Oz who get it. Maybe some of the guys at Jagen (Vic) but otherwise yes &#8211; there ain&#8217;t much opportunity for explosive growth with Australian based VC&#8217;s. </p>
<p>If you want US funding, you have to move to the US. Period. (Maybe there are exceptions but they are *very* few and far between but a flash based CMS system isn&#8217;t distruptive so it would be an uphill battle. There are valley VC&#8217;s that won&#8217;t invest in companies more than an hour drive from their office &#8211; their time is everything, so engaging them if you don&#8217;t have a base there is just going to eat time and money.</p>
<p>You have some good short term money options in Oz &#8211; COMET, EMDG, Austrade &#8211; use them to help you get over there. Engage firms like BSI/Anzatech to help you navigate the US landscape. Speak to Australian companies who are over there, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: YDRIVE</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851488</link>
		<dc:creator>YDRIVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Impressive partners.. and, faithfully facebook [of liking to give old terms
new meanings].. so now FF has a new meaning.. (insteadof Friends &amp;
Family) (and inadditionto their company name).. Series FF.. certainly
interesting.. though wonder how many people would give a Flying F
[what]?.. (well, just after MA).. :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Impressive partners.. and, faithfully facebook [of liking to give old terms<br />
new meanings].. so now FF has a new meaning.. (insteadof Friends &amp;<br />
Family) (and inadditionto their company name).. Series FF.. certainly<br />
interesting.. though wonder how many people would give a Flying F<br />
[what]?.. (well, just after MA).. <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JasonH</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851469</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about the chaps in matching blazers. What are VCs doing with all of those books?!

Aside from that, my advice for a budding entrepreneur is to build your technology out as if it were a brick and mortar biz. Meaning, concentrate on the user experience and revenue from the get-go. Any hint of success will have the VC coming to you. Worrying about money to build that dream infrastructure will set you back. Then make your second venture the big infrastructure one where you can utilize the credibility of your first success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about the chaps in matching blazers. What are VCs doing with all of those books?!</p>
<p>Aside from that, my advice for a budding entrepreneur is to build your technology out as if it were a brick and mortar biz. Meaning, concentrate on the user experience and revenue from the get-go. Any hint of success will have the VC coming to you. Worrying about money to build that dream infrastructure will set you back. Then make your second venture the big infrastructure one where you can utilize the credibility of your first success.</p>
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		<title>By: uploadchoice</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851382</link>
		<dc:creator>uploadchoice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not aware about any issue on this but I like this business model and especially the liberal voting rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not aware about any issue on this but I like this business model and especially the liberal voting rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve B</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851374</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chrisw
Demo works. Just takes a bit to load.

It&#039;s interesting. To be perfectly honest I would need to see more....

BUT, based on looking at some of your work in the cartoon and commercial area, this is where I would consider spending some time. You guys have very good talent here and video is a key growth area. 

I can&#039;t speak for The Founders Fund. BUT, here are things to consider when taking ANY VC money.
a) Must have: product, revenue and customers. Otherwise you get bent over.
b) Even if you have product, revenue and customer you&#039;ll get bent over on valuation. 
c)Best case scenario they take &quot;only&quot; 20%. Realistically they&#039;ll take 50%
d) They will control the board of directors
e) Chances are greater than 80% that you will be fired within 12-24 months
f) They will control the product direction

My advice is to grow through your internal sales and keep costs to a minimum. If you are bursting at the seams and need an infusion of capital look for some &quot;friendly&quot;angels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chrisw<br />
Demo works. Just takes a bit to load.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting. To be perfectly honest I would need to see more&#8230;.</p>
<p>BUT, based on looking at some of your work in the cartoon and commercial area, this is where I would consider spending some time. You guys have very good talent here and video is a key growth area. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak for The Founders Fund. BUT, here are things to consider when taking ANY VC money.<br />
a) Must have: product, revenue and customers. Otherwise you get bent over.<br />
b) Even if you have product, revenue and customer you&#8217;ll get bent over on valuation.<br />
c)Best case scenario they take &#8220;only&#8221; 20%. Realistically they&#8217;ll take 50%<br />
d) They will control the board of directors<br />
e) Chances are greater than 80% that you will be fired within 12-24 months<br />
f) They will control the product direction</p>
<p>My advice is to grow through your internal sales and keep costs to a minimum. If you are bursting at the seams and need an infusion of capital look for some &#8220;friendly&#8221;angels.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851363</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Aaron. I&#039;m going to re-compress it  - without Camtasia and re-upload in a few minutes. Hopefully that will resolve the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aaron. I&#8217;m going to re-compress it  &#8211; without Camtasia and re-upload in a few minutes. Hopefully that will resolve the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851353</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard this same piece of information parroted in every panel, every talk, every QA session, and in every book about VC funding:  Your idea is not unique.  Your idea is not amazing.  Your idea will not be &quot;stolen.&quot;  If you bring an NDA you will be considered a total newb and will not get funding.

Wow, a Flash-based CMS.  If a VC thought they could do that easily enough to just &#039;steal&#039; the idea and run with it (as opposed to funding somebody who was already close to release), it would have happened already.

So yeah, it&#039;s a good idea.  It&#039;s not a particularly unique idea, though.  

And I couldn&#039;t load the screencast either.  I tried.

If I were you I&#039;d release all the details, put videos online, put out a press release, and get as much press as you can.  Right when you do that, pool all your money together and fly your best two or three people out to SFO in time to attend whatever relevant conferences and mixers you can.  Go to events with &quot;Hello, My Name Is,&quot; nametags and write your company name in huge letters.  Demo at events.  Answer questions.

If you can&#039;t get some solid connections after all of that, then you&#039;re doing something horribly wrong.  If your product is really that good then it sells itself.  (Then what do you need funding for?)

In response to #35, you know what?  All those options are possible at the same time.  I&#039;ve been working hard AND trying to meet people.  I am not the best at networking but damnit I try!  As a bonus, I&#039;ll have a product out within a month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard this same piece of information parroted in every panel, every talk, every QA session, and in every book about VC funding:  Your idea is not unique.  Your idea is not amazing.  Your idea will not be &#8220;stolen.&#8221;  If you bring an NDA you will be considered a total newb and will not get funding.</p>
<p>Wow, a Flash-based CMS.  If a VC thought they could do that easily enough to just &#8217;steal&#8217; the idea and run with it (as opposed to funding somebody who was already close to release), it would have happened already.</p>
<p>So yeah, it&#8217;s a good idea.  It&#8217;s not a particularly unique idea, though.  </p>
<p>And I couldn&#8217;t load the screencast either.  I tried.</p>
<p>If I were you I&#8217;d release all the details, put videos online, put out a press release, and get as much press as you can.  Right when you do that, pool all your money together and fly your best two or three people out to SFO in time to attend whatever relevant conferences and mixers you can.  Go to events with &#8220;Hello, My Name Is,&#8221; nametags and write your company name in huge letters.  Demo at events.  Answer questions.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t get some solid connections after all of that, then you&#8217;re doing something horribly wrong.  If your product is really that good then it sells itself.  (Then what do you need funding for?)</p>
<p>In response to #35, you know what?  All those options are possible at the same time.  I&#8217;ve been working hard AND trying to meet people.  I am not the best at networking but damnit I try!  As a bonus, I&#8217;ll have a product out within a month.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851316</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan B - It&#039;s a flash video created with Camtasia. Camtasia sucks goat balls, as you put it - or perhaps you internet connection is really slow.  The demo works - I just received feedback from a guy in Canada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan B &#8211; It&#8217;s a flash video created with Camtasia. Camtasia sucks goat balls, as you put it &#8211; or perhaps you internet connection is really slow.  The demo works &#8211; I just received feedback from a guy in Canada.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan B</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851298</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chrisW

your demo sucks goat balls.  i sat there for two minutes waiting and nothing happened.</description>
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<p>your demo sucks goat balls.  i sat there for two minutes waiting and nothing happened.</p>
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		<title>By: VC Money</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851296</link>
		<dc:creator>VC Money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s still no way to get venture funding if you don&#039;t have connections. Hard work and dedication == bullshit. You&#039;ve got to either get ready to spend a year of your life kissing peoples asses or get your business to profitability by yourself, which is the better approach. Don&#039;t waste your time trying to beg these dudes to fund you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s still no way to get venture funding if you don&#8217;t have connections. Hard work and dedication == bullshit. You&#8217;ve got to either get ready to spend a year of your life kissing peoples asses or get your business to profitability by yourself, which is the better approach. Don&#8217;t waste your time trying to beg these dudes to fund you.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisw</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/17/founders-fund-closes-220-million-second-fund/comment-page-1/#comment-1851274</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 05:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok - world wide exclusive: here is a short (quick and dirty) video demo of our Flash based CMS. 

http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/demo_001.html

As you&#039;ll see from the video our product is in the advanced stage and nearing completion. This is the sort of demo that I&#039;d be prepared to show VC&#039;s (only better prepared) - I&#039;m showing you so I guess that goes without saying. We have never shown this product publicly and only ever shown it to people we know and trust (or figure wouldn&#039;t have a clue how to build it anyway).

We&#039;ve been developing this system for a few years now - slowly refining it as Adobe releases new versions of Flex. The system is multi-user - multiple people can collaborate on the development of a site at the same time. It supports media such as Flash, Images, text, MP3&#039;s, Video (FLV for now but soon it will support .mov, .mp4 etc) and attachments such as PDF&#039;s, .docs etc. It has built in multi-file FTP making the uploading of files simple. Users can opt to build their site without ever seeing a line of code and the system is 100% WYSIWYG. There is a code view that enables tweaking if needed - the codebase is simple XML. The sites navigation system is dynamically built in realtime based on the site architecture map. It&#039;s pretty awesome - if I don&#039;t say so myself.

What chance would we have of securing a good deal from a US based VC like Founder Fund based on what you&#039;ve seen here? Bare in mind that we are an Australian company (if that makes any difference to your opinion). From my research (googling a lot - reading lots of blogs like TechCrunch) there is nothing else on the market that compares to what we have created.

Being an Aussie company it often feels like we might as well be on the moon when it comes to accessing VC&#039;s who &#039;get the web&#039;. I&#039;ve heard a number of times that US VC&#039;s don&#039;t like investing in foreign companies, but Aussie VC&#039;s seem to be too cautious or in short supply. It&#039;s bloody frustrating! 

We are seriously about to start shopping it around for funding. Wish me luck :)

Chris Walker
March Digital
chris@marchdigital.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok &#8211; world wide exclusive: here is a short (quick and dirty) video demo of our Flash based CMS. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/demo_001.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.marchdigital.com.au/demo/demo_001.html'>http://www.marc...o/demo_001.html</a></p>
<p>As you&#8217;ll see from the video our product is in the advanced stage and nearing completion. This is the sort of demo that I&#8217;d be prepared to show VC&#8217;s (only better prepared) &#8211; I&#8217;m showing you so I guess that goes without saying. We have never shown this product publicly and only ever shown it to people we know and trust (or figure wouldn&#8217;t have a clue how to build it anyway).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been developing this system for a few years now &#8211; slowly refining it as Adobe releases new versions of Flex. The system is multi-user &#8211; multiple people can collaborate on the development of a site at the same time. It supports media such as Flash, Images, text, MP3&#8217;s, Video (FLV for now but soon it will support .mov, .mp4 etc) and attachments such as PDF&#8217;s, .docs etc. It has built in multi-file FTP making the uploading of files simple. Users can opt to build their site without ever seeing a line of code and the system is 100% WYSIWYG. There is a code view that enables tweaking if needed &#8211; the codebase is simple XML. The sites navigation system is dynamically built in realtime based on the site architecture map. It&#8217;s pretty awesome &#8211; if I don&#8217;t say so myself.</p>
<p>What chance would we have of securing a good deal from a US based VC like Founder Fund based on what you&#8217;ve seen here? Bare in mind that we are an Australian company (if that makes any difference to your opinion). From my research (googling a lot &#8211; reading lots of blogs like TechCrunch) there is nothing else on the market that compares to what we have created.</p>
<p>Being an Aussie company it often feels like we might as well be on the moon when it comes to accessing VC&#8217;s who &#8216;get the web&#8217;. I&#8217;ve heard a number of times that US VC&#8217;s don&#8217;t like investing in foreign companies, but Aussie VC&#8217;s seem to be too cautious or in short supply. It&#8217;s bloody frustrating! </p>
<p>We are seriously about to start shopping it around for funding. Wish me luck <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chris Walker<br />
March Digital<br />
<a href="mailto:chris@marchdigital.com.au">chris@marchdigital.com.au</a></p>
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