Comments on: Loren Feldman Trashes Seesmic; Founder Loic Le Meur Takes The Bait

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By: Aj

Aj — Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:52:52 +0000

is he kidding? loren feldman is complaining that people on seesmic are unattractive? i’m not really sure why he thinks anyone gives a shit what he has to say anyway. this was the longest, most rambling adolescent company review i’ve ever seen.

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By: Loren Feldman: Menace Or Innovator? : Awakened Voice

Loren Feldman: Menace Or Innovator? : Awakened Voice — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:05:10 +0000

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By: Paul Walsh

Paul Walsh — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:58:37 +0000

@Dennis – no, but I’ve been on the receiving end of extremely ignorant comments from taxi drivers in Manchester (that’s in the UK for those of you who don’t know). They seem to hate the Irish, I mean ‘hate’.

Regarding friends of friends – means little to nothing, or at least it should. Perhaps the .xxx team should have built a relationship with the white house to ensure it wasn’t canned by an individual ‘after’ it was given the green light.

By: Dennis Howlett

Dennis Howlett — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:14:39 +0000

@PaulWalsh – have you never been verbally assaulted by a New York cabbie? Makes Loren sound like a pussy. Anyway – Loren should know this – Loic is mates with the President of France who is also a mate of George W. I reckon that outguns Loren by a large order of magnitude.

Didn’t anyone notice that Loren is polishing his Tony Soprano approach. Except Loren’s Jewish which is always going to make the full comparison a tad difficult.

By: Gonzague

Gonzague — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:14:37 +0000

I did my kind of … lipdub : http://seesmic.com/BWGz2IhSPp

By: Manresa

Manresa — Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:07:48 +0000

Loren–I don’t care who you are but the video was nonsense and just plain mean and he stuttered quite a bit, his video quality was not superb and who cares whether it’s Flash or not?
I have to agree with David’s comments.
In addition to that, I don’t really care what Loren has to say about the product (except he was quite provocative in a rude way). Like most social media products on the internet, his single opinion won’t matter as much as what the masses have to say about it by becoming regular users. A lot of these technologies in social media out there are “pull” based, meaning the user base will drive the product and the masses determine success.

By: Paul Walsh

Paul Walsh — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:35:31 +0000

Hilarious. Gave me a great laugh.

I hooked up with the CTO and some of the developers of Seesmic on the metro after Le Web. Apparently we were already connected on Facebook. Lovely people. Small world.

I haven’t used the service yet, so can’t comment.

Regarding the ‘European’ comment, I remember my startup days at AOL in Europe (I know, I don’t look old enough ). When we first started, a bug in the US client was an ‘unexpected feature’ in the Europe clients. It didn’t take long before we proved ourselves to be (much) smarter, but there was an assumption on their part.

Note: I’m referring specifically to AOL people and not all Americans. That said, do Americans have negative thoughts towards ‘Europeans’, or just people from specific countries? We are all completely different.

By: Edwin Khodabakchian

Edwin Khodabakchian — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:26:48 +0000

Is Loren really that stupid and desperate for attention? If he is that smart, why not simply come out and say: “here are 5 things that I would change in Seesmic”. Seesmic is early in it development cycle and mutating really really fast. I am looking forward to the day when Seesmic is going to be really really popular and this douchbag will have to go and create his own Seesmic channel!

By: the community

the community — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:19:53 +0000

“the community” takes the bait! The whole thing is about starting “a conversation”

Krish is absolutely correct. 1938-seesmic-tc all are friends.

By: Krish

Krish — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:31:26 +0000

Jason, I agree with you on that. However, this alone doesn’t legitimize Loren’s nonsense. I seriously think that Mike Arrington is doing this to boost Seesmic’s visibility . Since TC cannot write openly about Seesmic anymore, this could be a cover to get people talking about Seesmic. Just kidding!!

By: False Positives

False Positives — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:59:46 +0000

Rules For Startups & Evaluating a New Idea…

First up we have TechCunch’s Loic Le Meur’s Ten Rules For Startup Success (which I had written up but not posted) which had a number of points (10 actually) :
● 1 Don’t wait for a revolutionary idea.● 2 Share your idea. ● 3 Build a comm…

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:57:31 +0000

Give it a rest with the alpha crap Krish. Those software stages are thrown around so loosely these days, as a cop out for web products that don’t work properly.

By: David

David — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:41:13 +0000

After listening to his video, I am still wondering what Loren’s point is. If he wants to come off as an arrogant dick, he is a talented guy, but unless he actually makes a valid point, why would anyone listen a second time to anything he says?

- terrible? awful?
okay, you don’t like it. but so far your opinion counts as nothing

- flash loader/they use flash
okay, you don’t like it, but so far your opinion counts as nothing

- black/grey scheme
you really have no argument, no valid point to make, do you? still zero points.

- video quality, one step above unwatchable
if this is true, you may just have a first valid point, but is this Seesmic or the users that produce the low quality video?

- european/french/british/unattractive
you just lost a point for reminding us all that you are little more than ignorant and arrogant (a fine US quality these days but will get you nowhere)

You don’t like Seesmic? go elsewhere (you wont’ be missed) but you’re not professional, you’re not interesting and, in many ways, you’re a disgrace to your peers.

By: Krish

Krish — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:37:53 +0000

Seriously man. Why do you give so much importance to Loren? Seesmic is alpha and there is no point whining about it now. I do agree that Loic can get way too boring at times (like how he was enamored by Sarkozy and his white house visit). But he is trying hard to build an interesting idea. Let us wait till he is done with it before saying whether it is shit or the greatest innovation since wheel. Mike, unless you are using his whine to boost the value of Seesmic (to boost your investment), linking to Loren’s trash talk is a waste of TC’s resources.

By: Ken Berger

Ken Berger — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:51:01 +0000

It’s purely a NYC cultural thing.
I guess it shows that I’ve been in NYC too long, but I found this piece hilarious !!
Loic- don’t worry, this is the way he expresses love.

By: PurpleCar

PurpleCar — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:46:03 +0000

Loren’s post is obviously for entertainment purposes only. If one would like to discuss the concept of a social media site like seesmic, then one should stir up relevant questions for debate. It’s important for us to discuss how we are defining and shaping community in this web2.0 world. Loic et al. have thrown a ‘conversation’ media idea into the mix. Why talk about the proletariat’s camera quality? Is this just the elite geek trying to weed out the unworthy masses again? Also, why talk about accents? It’s more helpful to talk about the new community-based building model that Loic and Johann are offering: building with users from the ground up instead of bringing users in at the very last minute.

Listen, I’m a seesmic tester/user but by no means have I imbibed the kool-aid. I’m watching and learning. We think we know coding, social networking, and media, but we don’t. There is a new way to push the innovation envelope everyday. I’d rather observe and adopt what is useful for me and the world than disregard tools based on their users.

By: Jason

Jason — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:34:46 +0000

Yeh Julien, just like Edgeio.

By: Julien

Julien — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:06:29 +0000

Not everybody can like Seesmic.. but if everybody (lovers and haters) talk about it, it’s very good for Seesmic in the end!

By: Thomas

Thomas — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:55:16 +0000

Why don’t we just ignore that guy (Lauren)?

In my opinion he got too much exposure for nothing … he does not deserve it, at all.

By: Loic

Loic — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:53:17 +0000

Dennis, thanks, will learn the US humour then…

By: Jamie Riddell

Jamie Riddell — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:48:37 +0000

I refer to the comment, ‘I have observed it’ – thats not the same as ‘I have actually spent time getting to know this site and then formed a valid opinion.’ This story is clearly getting traction for the ‘in your face’ nature of the commentary but if you strip it down, there doesn’t seem too much basis for the argument.

By: Dennis Howlett

Dennis Howlett — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:30:14 +0000

Love him or hate him, Loren does a good line in irony. Seen his post about banning French people from his site?

As an aside, Loren reminds me of Lenny Bruce but without the drug addiction.

@Loic: you’ve gotta understand US humour (or as they mis-spell it – humor) to get much of what he’s saying. It also helps if you come from New York where being rude is the normal method of operation.