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		<title>By: LinkLuv: 22 April &#171; The Aesthetic Elevator</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-2218853</link>
		<dc:creator>LinkLuv: 22 April &#171; The Aesthetic Elevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] big media will realize they won't be able to fight the change. A reminder of this from an older TechCrunch post:  "Societal ideals around what constitutes ownership over art are changing. People who try to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] big media will realize they won&#8217;t be able to fight the change. A reminder of this from an older TechCrunch post:  &#8220;Societal ideals around what constitutes ownership over art are changing. People who try to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Why Lane Hartwell is wrong - - mathewingram.com/work</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-2041514</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Lane Hartwell is wrong - - mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] least shouldn&#8217;t &#8212; qualify as infringing use. Period. Mike Arrington has some thoughts here, including some comments from a copyright [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oxyfish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A fable of YouTube - Yieldex CEO Tom Shields' Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-2032897</link>
		<dc:creator>Oxyfish &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A fable of YouTube - Yieldex CEO Tom Shields' Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much internal consultation, and encouragement from many native denizens, the Richters decided to venture forth into YouTubeLand again. They took [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] much internal consultation, and encouragement from many native denizens, the Richters decided to venture forth into YouTubeLand again. They took [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Vidal Postigo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Comes Another Bubble</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1913688</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Vidal Postigo &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Comes Another Bubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Actualización: parece que Youtube está eliminado este video una y otra vez por una posible infracción de copyright. Lo explica Michael Arrington en Misunderstanding Copyright Law And Ruining Everyone’s Fun. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Actualización: parece que Youtube está eliminado este video una y otra vez por una posible infracción de copyright. Lo explica Michael Arrington en Misunderstanding Copyright Law And Ruining Everyone’s Fun. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1885227</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, by your logic you would have no problem if I copied every piece of text and graphics on this site and used it to promote myself as if it was my own work. Perhaps you don't do TechCrunch to make a living, but why shouldn't someone who creates something not be allowed to make a profit off of it? And not just once but many times.

By your logic if I created the pop Coke, I and everyone else should be able to just take it out of the grocery stores because it is just sitting there doing no one any good. It would be better if we all took the pop, didn't pay for it. 

The mentality that what is good for the masses is more important than seeing the creator paid for their work is a communist ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, by your logic you would have no problem if I copied every piece of text and graphics on this site and used it to promote myself as if it was my own work. Perhaps you don&#8217;t do TechCrunch to make a living, but why shouldn&#8217;t someone who creates something not be allowed to make a profit off of it? And not just once but many times.</p>
<p>By your logic if I created the pop Coke, I and everyone else should be able to just take it out of the grocery stores because it is just sitting there doing no one any good. It would be better if we all took the pop, didn&#8217;t pay for it. </p>
<p>The mentality that what is good for the masses is more important than seeing the creator paid for their work is a communist ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: nalts</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1865378</link>
		<dc:creator>nalts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's stranger than Hartwell's action is the sheer number of people that are so hypnotized by "artist rights" that they miss something important. The aggressor is an accomplished Wired contributor. The A Capella group is broke and trying to entertain. The David and Goliath characters to me are quite clear.

Join the fun and enter the "Piss Off Lane Hartwell" video contest:
http://willvideoforfood.com/2007/12/22/entries-to-the-piss-of-lane-hartman-video-contest/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s stranger than Hartwell&#8217;s action is the sheer number of people that are so hypnotized by &#8220;artist rights&#8221; that they miss something important. The aggressor is an accomplished Wired contributor. The A Capella group is broke and trying to entertain. The David and Goliath characters to me are quite clear.</p>
<p>Join the fun and enter the &#8220;Piss Off Lane Hartwell&#8221; video contest:<br />
<a href="http://willvideoforfood.com/2007/12/22/entries-to-the-piss-of-lane-hartman-video-contest/" rel="nofollow">http://willvideoforfood.com/20.....o-contest/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1859604</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hartwell is right. The band is wrong. The commenters here who say the photographer is making a big deal over nothing are wrong. Those who claim its parody are wrong.

Let's face facts. Even if it were possible, in an ideal world, that such use could be considered okay and would not hurt photographers, musicians or other creative artists; the way the law is interpreted by courts and lawyers have made it impossible to live in such place. They have made the laws, and interpreting those laws, so strict and pharisaical that to not protect ones rights is tatamount to saying they have no rights. 

If photographers don't act like Hartwell, then future egregious infringement of their rights will be ignored by the courts. Courts and lawyers don't allow discretion. If you let one person slide, you have to let them all slide.

So photographers, artists, movie makers are all stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they be reasonable, they lose ever right to protect everything. If they are hard nosed, the the whiny "I want it all for free" crybabies call them bullies.

Sorry, babe, but this world ain't a Star Trek utopia yet. Money still greases the wheels of this economy. And as long as it does, and laws are interpreted in absolute terms by courts that despise subtlety and an ability to determine ones own destiny as one would like to, photographers have to be hard-nosed about protecting their livelihoods. 

So stop blaming artists for protecting themselves. Blame the real culprits here. Courts, lawyers and the lawmakers who write shoddy legislation, and interpret laws in ways that do not serve all people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hartwell is right. The band is wrong. The commenters here who say the photographer is making a big deal over nothing are wrong. Those who claim its parody are wrong.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face facts. Even if it were possible, in an ideal world, that such use could be considered okay and would not hurt photographers, musicians or other creative artists; the way the law is interpreted by courts and lawyers have made it impossible to live in such place. They have made the laws, and interpreting those laws, so strict and pharisaical that to not protect ones rights is tatamount to saying they have no rights. </p>
<p>If photographers don&#8217;t act like Hartwell, then future egregious infringement of their rights will be ignored by the courts. Courts and lawyers don&#8217;t allow discretion. If you let one person slide, you have to let them all slide.</p>
<p>So photographers, artists, movie makers are all stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they be reasonable, they lose ever right to protect everything. If they are hard nosed, the the whiny &#8220;I want it all for free&#8221; crybabies call them bullies.</p>
<p>Sorry, babe, but this world ain&#8217;t a Star Trek utopia yet. Money still greases the wheels of this economy. And as long as it does, and laws are interpreted in absolute terms by courts that despise subtlety and an ability to determine ones own destiny as one would like to, photographers have to be hard-nosed about protecting their livelihoods. </p>
<p>So stop blaming artists for protecting themselves. Blame the real culprits here. Courts, lawyers and the lawmakers who write shoddy legislation, and interpret laws in ways that do not serve all people.</p>
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		<title>By: Stubbs</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1857169</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 04:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the photographer "destroyed" "art."  It ain't art and she didn't destroy it.  

This was a highly imitative, read unoriginal, attempt to gain attention for the purpose of self promotion.  It stole the original work of many people.  The "creator" of this "art" contributed next to nothing other than imitation of the truly creative video that preceded it. 

Yeah, for this group, that's the essence of art: dumb imitation. You folks need to get out of your cubicles every month or so.  You have no notion of how illiterate you are.

Who but a bunch of illiterates could find this art or creative?

I hope the thief gets hammered in the courts.  unimaginative little self promoters need to be restrained.  They make very stupid decisions that harm others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the photographer &#8220;destroyed&#8221; &#8220;art.&#8221;  It ain&#8217;t art and she didn&#8217;t destroy it.  </p>
<p>This was a highly imitative, read unoriginal, attempt to gain attention for the purpose of self promotion.  It stole the original work of many people.  The &#8220;creator&#8221; of this &#8220;art&#8221; contributed next to nothing other than imitation of the truly creative video that preceded it. </p>
<p>Yeah, for this group, that&#8217;s the essence of art: dumb imitation. You folks need to get out of your cubicles every month or so.  You have no notion of how illiterate you are.</p>
<p>Who but a bunch of illiterates could find this art or creative?</p>
<p>I hope the thief gets hammered in the courts.  unimaginative little self promoters need to be restrained.  They make very stupid decisions that harm others.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1855437</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

From Above:

Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

1: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

It was a commercial use for promotion.

2: the nature of the copyrighted work;


A Photograph was used

3: amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 

The complete photo was used

4: the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. 

The photo was seen by many.  It most likely lowered the value of the photo

Look at the fair use page on the copyright website mentioned above.  How was the use fair?

It does not matter how small the use was in relation to the video.  That only matters in the amount of damages.  The amount of use is asked in relation to the photo not the video.

Before I would initiate a DMCA claim, I would want to contact the infringer and attempt to resolve the problem.  That might include billing for the use, asking that the content be removed, credit for continued use, or some other methiod.  Copyright does not require credit or a specific payment.  It does require permission of the owner unless the use meets the fair use exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html</a></p>
<p>From Above:</p>
<p>Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:</p>
<p>1: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;</p>
<p>It was a commercial use for promotion.</p>
<p>2: the nature of the copyrighted work;</p>
<p>A Photograph was used</p>
<p>3: amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and </p>
<p>The complete photo was used</p>
<p>4: the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. </p>
<p>The photo was seen by many.  It most likely lowered the value of the photo</p>
<p>Look at the fair use page on the copyright website mentioned above.  How was the use fair?</p>
<p>It does not matter how small the use was in relation to the video.  That only matters in the amount of damages.  The amount of use is asked in relation to the photo not the video.</p>
<p>Before I would initiate a DMCA claim, I would want to contact the infringer and attempt to resolve the problem.  That might include billing for the use, asking that the content be removed, credit for continued use, or some other methiod.  Copyright does not require credit or a specific payment.  It does require permission of the owner unless the use meets the fair use exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1855165</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought I was done with comments on this post. Mike, I realized after rereading the original post, you were not claiming Richter Scales could use a parody defense. You are right, this is quite arguably fair use, apart from any parody defense.

BUT

You guys saying that fair use requires attribution/giving credit are just spreading some wrongness. 

If it is fair use it doesn't matter whether you give credit. 
Conversely, it is polite to credit but that does not make it fair use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I was done with comments on this post. Mike, I realized after rereading the original post, you were not claiming Richter Scales could use a parody defense. You are right, this is quite arguably fair use, apart from any parody defense.</p>
<p>BUT</p>
<p>You guys saying that fair use requires attribution/giving credit are just spreading some wrongness. </p>
<p>If it is fair use it doesn&#8217;t matter whether you give credit.<br />
Conversely, it is polite to credit but that does not make it fair use.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1853832</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If I cut and paste, without payment and credit, the full and complete posts on this blog and use it on my blog that is plagiarism."  

From the copyright notice at the bottom of this page, it is also copyright infringment.  Each post to the blog is a creative work and protectted by copyright law.  The website copyright has a few aspects.  It is a Collective Work which means that it contains contributions from many authors.  The website copyright also covers the layout and design of the site.

As a photographer, I watermark images on my site.  This does not stop theft and does make the images less appealing.  I do this to have control of where my images are used and to earn a living from their use.  If you are using a photo, words, song, etc created after 1989 it is protected by copyright:

http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/

Now if someone releases the work to the public domain through a creative commons or other tool, you can use it. 

Lets look at fair use and the DMCA.  Many have mentioned the threat of a lawsuit and why it was not filed.  DMCA is the tool that resolves disputes about copyright theft with out lawsuits in almost all cases and protects website owners from claims.

A DMCA notice does not automaticly become a lawsuit.  If the person who receives the notice files a counter notice, the content is replaced and a lawsuit can result.  Only when you state under penalties of purgery that the content does not infringe is there a posiblity of a lawsuit.  

The use was not in my estimation a fair use.  Only if the issue went to trial would an abolute decision be possible.  The other issue is damages.  The damages would most likely be low.  The potential value of damages has no bearing on the DMCA takedown.

I'm glad the DMCA exists to protect my work and the work of other creative people in the viral world we live in.

I don't support all current copyright laws.  The "Micky Mouse" provisions enacted that increased the term of copyright to corporations to 95 years is a mistake.  The goal of copyright is to compensate creators for thier works has been part of English and Anerican since 1518.  The first Copyrights were only to specific individuals for very short terms.  I would support changes to copyright law to a much shorter term.  I could live with an Author's Life + 20 Years and 40 years for Corporate (work for Hire) works.  The current law has terms too long.  Watch out, sometime before November 18th 2023, there will be atempts to increase the Corporate Copyright term.  Hopefully it fails and Mickey Mouse becomes Public Domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I cut and paste, without payment and credit, the full and complete posts on this blog and use it on my blog that is plagiarism.&#8221;  </p>
<p>From the copyright notice at the bottom of this page, it is also copyright infringment.  Each post to the blog is a creative work and protectted by copyright law.  The website copyright has a few aspects.  It is a Collective Work which means that it contains contributions from many authors.  The website copyright also covers the layout and design of the site.</p>
<p>As a photographer, I watermark images on my site.  This does not stop theft and does make the images less appealing.  I do this to have control of where my images are used and to earn a living from their use.  If you are using a photo, words, song, etc created after 1989 it is protected by copyright:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/</a></p>
<p>Now if someone releases the work to the public domain through a creative commons or other tool, you can use it. </p>
<p>Lets look at fair use and the DMCA.  Many have mentioned the threat of a lawsuit and why it was not filed.  DMCA is the tool that resolves disputes about copyright theft with out lawsuits in almost all cases and protects website owners from claims.</p>
<p>A DMCA notice does not automaticly become a lawsuit.  If the person who receives the notice files a counter notice, the content is replaced and a lawsuit can result.  Only when you state under penalties of purgery that the content does not infringe is there a posiblity of a lawsuit.  </p>
<p>The use was not in my estimation a fair use.  Only if the issue went to trial would an abolute decision be possible.  The other issue is damages.  The damages would most likely be low.  The potential value of damages has no bearing on the DMCA takedown.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad the DMCA exists to protect my work and the work of other creative people in the viral world we live in.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support all current copyright laws.  The &#8220;Micky Mouse&#8221; provisions enacted that increased the term of copyright to corporations to 95 years is a mistake.  The goal of copyright is to compensate creators for thier works has been part of English and Anerican since 1518.  The first Copyrights were only to specific individuals for very short terms.  I would support changes to copyright law to a much shorter term.  I could live with an Author&#8217;s Life + 20 Years and 40 years for Corporate (work for Hire) works.  The current law has terms too long.  Watch out, sometime before November 18th 2023, there will be atempts to increase the Corporate Copyright term.  Hopefully it fails and Mickey Mouse becomes Public Domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1852625</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you work for free?

Why do you expect a photographer to do so?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you work for free?</p>
<p>Why do you expect a photographer to do so?</p>
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		<title>By: Primoz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1851445</link>
		<dc:creator>Primoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really something.... Fair use? Promotion? Marketing? Get real. So if I copy your text here Michael, publish it, and sign myself under it, it's still fair use? I mean you could use this for promotion of yourself in many way, right? Well I guess you wouldn't be too happy with it either, especially once when it would be about your own work, not about someone else's work you, or someone else, misused. 
Is fair use also stealing chocolate bar from store? I'm sure store and chocolate producer could use this as great self promotion too. But they, and police included, wouldn't be so understanding. And chocolate bar or photo is on the end exactly same thing... product which someone made... product which you don't steal. And yes stealing chocolate bar is exactly same thing as stealing photo, or music. Fair use applies just as much to chocolate bar as to photos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really something&#8230;. Fair use? Promotion? Marketing? Get real. So if I copy your text here Michael, publish it, and sign myself under it, it&#8217;s still fair use? I mean you could use this for promotion of yourself in many way, right? Well I guess you wouldn&#8217;t be too happy with it either, especially once when it would be about your own work, not about someone else&#8217;s work you, or someone else, misused.<br />
Is fair use also stealing chocolate bar from store? I&#8217;m sure store and chocolate producer could use this as great self promotion too. But they, and police included, wouldn&#8217;t be so understanding. And chocolate bar or photo is on the end exactly same thing&#8230; product which someone made&#8230; product which you don&#8217;t steal. And yes stealing chocolate bar is exactly same thing as stealing photo, or music. Fair use applies just as much to chocolate bar as to photos.</p>
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		<title>By: infiniteblue, the weblog of lou lesko</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1851400</link>
		<dc:creator>infiniteblue, the weblog of lou lesko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;when do you use copyright law?...&lt;/strong&gt;

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In a recent post on Tech Crunch, Michael Arrington takes issue with photographer Lane Hartwell because she enforced her copyright of a photograph that was used on a video parodying the latest silicon valley bubble.  The result of her actio...</description>
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<p>© Lou Lesko<br />
In a recent post on Tech Crunch, Michael Arrington takes issue with photographer Lane Hartwell because she enforced her copyright of a photograph that was used on a video parodying the latest silicon valley bubble.  The result of her actio&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brooks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1850808</link>
		<dc:creator>Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. There sure are a lot of people here that have no clue. I love the comments that suggest that she could have taken advantage of this and had thousands of hits and job opportunities from the exposure. I'll bet my house that NONE of the people that agreed with that are commercial photographers. That's NOT how the industry works. Not even close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. There sure are a lot of people here that have no clue. I love the comments that suggest that she could have taken advantage of this and had thousands of hits and job opportunities from the exposure. I&#8217;ll bet my house that NONE of the people that agreed with that are commercial photographers. That&#8217;s NOT how the industry works. Not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dansk</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1850631</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dansk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a writer's work is stolen its called plagiarism... basically a fancy word for copyright infringement.  Its pretty clear that when a writers work has been plagiarized in whole its not fair use.  The problem seems to be photographers don't have a fancy word for when a photograph is stolen.

If I cut and paste, without payment and credit, the full and complete posts on this blog and use it on my blog that is plagiarism.  Well, taking another persons photograph and using it,  without payment and credit is the same thing.  You are after all using the complete and total image after all.

Or, is it because the size of the image is smaller that its fair use... so, does that mean if I lower the font size on the writing it makes it fair use?

I'm sure the writer of this blog wouldn't like it if someone took every post they made here and put them on another blog with no reference to the original author.  And I'm sure they would be even more upset if that other blog were running advertisements and making a lot of money off their work.

Do you think for a second these "fair use" people would stand for that?  Not a chance.  But for some reason photographers are just supposed to be happy their work is being used.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a writer&#8217;s work is stolen its called plagiarism&#8230; basically a fancy word for copyright infringement.  Its pretty clear that when a writers work has been plagiarized in whole its not fair use.  The problem seems to be photographers don&#8217;t have a fancy word for when a photograph is stolen.</p>
<p>If I cut and paste, without payment and credit, the full and complete posts on this blog and use it on my blog that is plagiarism.  Well, taking another persons photograph and using it,  without payment and credit is the same thing.  You are after all using the complete and total image after all.</p>
<p>Or, is it because the size of the image is smaller that its fair use&#8230; so, does that mean if I lower the font size on the writing it makes it fair use?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure the writer of this blog wouldn&#8217;t like it if someone took every post they made here and put them on another blog with no reference to the original author.  And I&#8217;m sure they would be even more upset if that other blog were running advertisements and making a lot of money off their work.</p>
<p>Do you think for a second these &#8220;fair use&#8221; people would stand for that?  Not a chance.  But for some reason photographers are just supposed to be happy their work is being used.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1850275</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn't fair use. The photograph was taken and used in its entirety without consent. Good job Michael on totally misunderstanding Copyright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t fair use. The photograph was taken and used in its entirety without consent. Good job Michael on totally misunderstanding Copyright.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara W. Klaser</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1850159</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara W. Klaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The real issue here is that Hartwell’s feelings were hurt."

No, the issue is that her property was stolen. It seems to me that too many people are getting their education about intellectual property from reading how Huckleberry Finn was always "borrowing" things. And while a lot of people seem pretty jaded today about what they consider corporate intellectual property, and maybe corporations shouldn't be allowed to own lifetime copyrights the same as people, I don't see why anyone is so eager to support someone stealing from an independent artist. If Richter Scales considered the photo of no value, maybe they should've gone out and taken their own photo for the video.

I had the same thing happen recently with some poetry I posted on one of my blogs. I got an email one day notifying me that eight of my poems were seen on a band's fan site, posted there by a user without my permission or attribution. In my case I was lucky that the site owner removed them as soon as I notified him. But I didn't just have my feelings hurt because my name wasn't mentioned. I've worked for 20 years attempting to profit from my creative writing, which is a lot of work and which I take seriously. My work represents my life force, my life's breath infused into something I care about. I provided those poems and an entire novel to read for free, with my name attached, so at least someone would get some enjoyment out of them. But that didn't mean I relinquished my rights to them. In fact they were marked very clearly with a copyright notice, which the law doesn't require me to do in order for my work to be protected. As I understand the current law, intellectual property is protected by copyright whether it's registered or not, and whether it's marked or not. The trouble with not marking and not registering only arises if you have to go to court and prove a case. As for taking someone else's work, whether it's marked or not, YOU know what's your work and what isn't. No one should need to tell you something isn't yours.

Whether publishers think my work is of value to them has no bearing on the value it has to me, or to someone who reads it on the web. And clearly it had some value to the person who stole my poems, or they wouldn't have bothered to copy eight of them and claim them as theirs. 

If the use of the photo in the Richter Scales video qualifies as fair use, then that requires crediting Ms. Hartwell, at the very least. But it's always best to get the artist's permission. Many magazine and book publishers require that writers who quote others get permission, even if the quote is small enough to qualify as fair use. I'm not a lawyer, but I believe fair use has to be determined in court, if the originator doesn't approve and fights its use, because the law doesn't state what specific amount constitutes fair use. 

People who copy material off the internet should first educate themselves about copyright law. The best source in the US is the US Copyright Office, which is part of the Library of Congress. There's a lot of information on the government's website, and it can be found with a simple search. Most of the copyright laws are written in fairly simple language. It doesn't take that much effort to get a handle on what's okay and what isn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The real issue here is that Hartwell’s feelings were hurt.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the issue is that her property was stolen. It seems to me that too many people are getting their education about intellectual property from reading how Huckleberry Finn was always &#8220;borrowing&#8221; things. And while a lot of people seem pretty jaded today about what they consider corporate intellectual property, and maybe corporations shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to own lifetime copyrights the same as people, I don&#8217;t see why anyone is so eager to support someone stealing from an independent artist. If Richter Scales considered the photo of no value, maybe they should&#8217;ve gone out and taken their own photo for the video.</p>
<p>I had the same thing happen recently with some poetry I posted on one of my blogs. I got an email one day notifying me that eight of my poems were seen on a band&#8217;s fan site, posted there by a user without my permission or attribution. In my case I was lucky that the site owner removed them as soon as I notified him. But I didn&#8217;t just have my feelings hurt because my name wasn&#8217;t mentioned. I&#8217;ve worked for 20 years attempting to profit from my creative writing, which is a lot of work and which I take seriously. My work represents my life force, my life&#8217;s breath infused into something I care about. I provided those poems and an entire novel to read for free, with my name attached, so at least someone would get some enjoyment out of them. But that didn&#8217;t mean I relinquished my rights to them. In fact they were marked very clearly with a copyright notice, which the law doesn&#8217;t require me to do in order for my work to be protected. As I understand the current law, intellectual property is protected by copyright whether it&#8217;s registered or not, and whether it&#8217;s marked or not. The trouble with not marking and not registering only arises if you have to go to court and prove a case. As for taking someone else&#8217;s work, whether it&#8217;s marked or not, YOU know what&#8217;s your work and what isn&#8217;t. No one should need to tell you something isn&#8217;t yours.</p>
<p>Whether publishers think my work is of value to them has no bearing on the value it has to me, or to someone who reads it on the web. And clearly it had some value to the person who stole my poems, or they wouldn&#8217;t have bothered to copy eight of them and claim them as theirs. </p>
<p>If the use of the photo in the Richter Scales video qualifies as fair use, then that requires crediting Ms. Hartwell, at the very least. But it&#8217;s always best to get the artist&#8217;s permission. Many magazine and book publishers require that writers who quote others get permission, even if the quote is small enough to qualify as fair use. I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I believe fair use has to be determined in court, if the originator doesn&#8217;t approve and fights its use, because the law doesn&#8217;t state what specific amount constitutes fair use. </p>
<p>People who copy material off the internet should first educate themselves about copyright law. The best source in the US is the US Copyright Office, which is part of the Library of Congress. There&#8217;s a lot of information on the government&#8217;s website, and it can be found with a simple search. Most of the copyright laws are written in fairly simple language. It doesn&#8217;t take that much effort to get a handle on what&#8217;s okay and what isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849930</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that I've also found the more restrictive in usage I am, the higher my rates (and income) is.  

Also, after contacting and demanding payment from those who use my work without permission or license, not only pay me but become clients as well (rather than resenting me, which I thought would be the case).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that I&#8217;ve also found the more restrictive in usage I am, the higher my rates (and income) is.  </p>
<p>Also, after contacting and demanding payment from those who use my work without permission or license, not only pay me but become clients as well (rather than resenting me, which I thought would be the case).</p>
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		<title>By: Sal</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849913</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From experience, I can report that the more work I do pro bono, in hopes of publicity or some other "magical" return, the more free work is expected of me.  

The higher I push my rates within reason, the more work I get.

Work is stolen because it has value, work is not assigned value as the result of theft. 

Apparently the blog author needs not only an education on copyright law, but the workings of the free market as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From experience, I can report that the more work I do pro bono, in hopes of publicity or some other &#8220;magical&#8221; return, the more free work is expected of me.  </p>
<p>The higher I push my rates within reason, the more work I get.</p>
<p>Work is stolen because it has value, work is not assigned value as the result of theft. </p>
<p>Apparently the blog author needs not only an education on copyright law, but the workings of the free market as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Ludwig Gatzke</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849399</link>
		<dc:creator>Ludwig Gatzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you noticed the web2.0-logo collage? I am sorry to say that the Richter Scales never asked me to get permission to use my graphic (it's CC attribution-noncommercial-sharealike) in the video and there is no attribution. So many other people asked me to give them permission to publish the image and of course it was ok for me... Never mind.

My original image at flickr: http://tinyurl.com/22kkcx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you noticed the web2.0-logo collage? I am sorry to say that the Richter Scales never asked me to get permission to use my graphic (it&#8217;s CC attribution-noncommercial-sharealike) in the video and there is no attribution. So many other people asked me to give them permission to publish the image and of course it was ok for me&#8230; Never mind.</p>
<p>My original image at flickr: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/22kkcx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/22kkcx</a></p>
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		<title>By: jeneane</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849367</link>
		<dc:creator>jeneane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It’s been very difficult to sit by quietly and watch this explode online without having a say, but I felt it was the right thing to do."

It's one of the hardest things you'll ever have to do. But you're doing the right thing. Believe me, I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s been very difficult to sit by quietly and watch this explode online without having a say, but I felt it was the right thing to do.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one of the hardest things you&#8217;ll ever have to do. But you&#8217;re doing the right thing. Believe me, I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce DeBoer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849355</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce DeBoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all: educate yourselves.  Start by reading this: http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter6/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all: educate yourselves.  Start by reading this: <a href="http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter6/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Co.....index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: poopie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849291</link>
		<dc:creator>poopie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I'm not entirely convinced that Michael is entirely defending the video because of its art value or its legal implications. 

The video shows TechCrunch and Arrington pretty prominently. So, it's essentially free advertising for TechCrunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;m not entirely convinced that Michael is entirely defending the video because of its art value or its legal implications. </p>
<p>The video shows TechCrunch and Arrington pretty prominently. So, it&#8217;s essentially free advertising for TechCrunch.</p>
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		<title>By: poopie</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/15/misunderstanding-copyright-law-and-ruining-everyones-fun/#comment-1849269</link>
		<dc:creator>poopie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lane,

I thought the whole point of a takedown notice was to threaten a lawsuit? Are we supposed to be impressed with you that you haven't filed a lawsuit yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lane,</p>
<p>I thought the whole point of a takedown notice was to threaten a lawsuit? Are we supposed to be impressed with you that you haven&#8217;t filed a lawsuit yet?</p>
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