Comments on: Adobe Releases BlazeDS, Open Source Version of LiveCycle Data Services http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/ Startup and Technology News Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:14:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Sean Martin http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1841848 Sean Martin Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:40:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1841848 As others have commented, BlazeDS rivals <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_%28programming%29" rel="nofollow">Comet</a>.   <a href="http://www.knownow.com" rel="nofollow">KnowNow</a> itself was founded circa 2000 on the principles of HTTP real-time push; aka real-time content streaming.   KnowNow and others take a pure browser approach to the frontend contending that any dependency on the runtime components, even if it’s as pervasive as Flash, is a limitation.  Flexibility in messaging format is also key to pervasive adoption as a general purpose pub/sub application platform. Juxtapose this against Adobe support for a single format that is designed to drive a single vendor’s application use case needs.  Existing pub/sub push platforms such as our own allow for a variety of messaging  formats, both open and proprietary, such as JSON, RSS, Atom, other XML,  KnowNow JSobj, and perhaps adding <a href="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/amf/amf3_spec_121207.pdf" rel="nofollow">AMF</a> to the mix sometime in the future too.  It’s nice to see the endorsement from Adobe for the benefits of a standards-based browser RIA driven by "server push"  publish/subscribe services.  Adobe should be applauded for publishing the spec for AMF as well.  For more commentary about our viewpoint on this matter, see <a href="http://blog.knownow.com/blog/2007/12/14/streaming-pubsub-the-future-of-web-based-applications/" rel="nofollow">our viewpoint on our company blog</a>. As others have commented, BlazeDS rivals Comet.   KnowNow itself was founded circa 2000 on the principles of HTTP real-time push; aka real-time content streaming.   KnowNow and others take a pure browser approach to the frontend contending that any dependency on the runtime components, even if it’s as pervasive as Flash, is a limitation.  Flexibility in messaging format is also key to pervasive adoption as a general purpose pub/sub application platform. Juxtapose this against Adobe support for a single format that is designed to drive a single vendor’s application use case needs.  Existing pub/sub push platforms such as our own allow for a variety of messaging  formats, both open and proprietary, such as JSON, RSS, Atom, other XML,  KnowNow JSobj, and perhaps adding AMF to the mix sometime in the future too. 
It’s nice to see the endorsement from Adobe for the benefits of a standards-based browser RIA driven by “server push”  publish/subscribe services.  Adobe should be applauded for publishing the spec for AMF as well.  For more commentary about our viewpoint on this matter, see our viewpoint on our company blog.

]]> By: Balaji http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1839466 Balaji Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:41:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1839466 Hi will BlazeDs be very helpfull for the developer who is strugling for the database webservice? Hi will BlazeDs be very helpfull for the developer who is strugling for the database webservice?

]]> By: jeff http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1839158 jeff Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:01:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1839158 @David, You might want to mention this on your web site. The press release and Adobe Labs page say that this is for Flex and AIR. We can't read your mind ;-) @David,

You might want to mention this on your web site. The press release and Adobe Labs page say that this is for Flex and AIR. We can’t read your mind ;-)

]]> By: Rathu http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1838170 Rathu Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:05:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1838170 so we can use blazeDS in place of LCDS. hope still I can do RemoteObject,WebService calls and AjaxBridge stuff like that.. what do you suggest? is it good go with blazeDS inplace of LCDS. Thanks Rathu so we can use blazeDS in place of LCDS.
hope still I can do RemoteObject,WebService calls and AjaxBridge stuff like that..
what do you suggest? is it good go with blazeDS inplace of LCDS.
Thanks
Rathu

]]> By: Terry http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837744 Terry Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:54:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837744 Another attempt by Adobe to figure out how to make their unprofitable and failing enterprise business successful. Another attempt by Adobe to figure out how to make their unprofitable and failing enterprise business successful.

]]> By: David http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837689 David Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:09:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837689 @Jeff, You are right and wrong. BlazeDS is a new product. It takes the underlying messaging and remoting technology from LC DS, but implements several news things, including HTTP streaming. It it not the just an open sourcing of the LC DS product, but rather an appropriate subset, that then has been evolved and added to. HTH, David Adobe @Jeff,

You are right and wrong.

BlazeDS is a new product. It takes the underlying messaging and remoting technology from LC DS, but implements several news things, including HTTP streaming. It it not the just an open sourcing of the LC DS product, but rather an appropriate subset, that then has been evolved and added to.

HTH,
David
Adobe

]]> By: Todd http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837655 Todd Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:37:35 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837655 @FakeSteveBallmer Google is thinking the same about your entire Redmond campus. "Every time someone downgrades from Vista back to XP, and angel gets it wings." @FakeSteveBallmer

Google is thinking the same about your entire Redmond campus.

“Every time someone downgrades from Vista back to XP, and angel gets it wings.”

]]> By: jeff http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837650 jeff Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:32:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837650 @Mark The press release from Adobe does call BlazeDS a new product but read it and you'll see that they are open-sourcing their existing LDS product and just giving it a new name. So BlazeDS is a persistent flash socket server and it is only for Flash-based apps (e.g., Flex and AIR). I don't see any new technology here. @Mark

The press release from Adobe does call BlazeDS a new product but read it and you’ll see that they are open-sourcing their existing LDS product and just giving it a new name. So BlazeDS is a persistent flash socket server and it is only for Flash-based apps (e.g., Flex and AIR). I don’t see any new technology here.

]]> By: Steve Ballmer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837498 Steve Ballmer Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837498 I'm thinking of buying Adumbee and turning the whole freaking place into a parking lot! At least then it would be usefull! http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com I’m thinking of buying Adumbee and turning the whole freaking place into a parking lot! At least then it would be usefull!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

]]> By: micfo.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837481 micfo.com Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:04:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837481 I like the feature which is about to come with live cycle especially that extra functionality for HTTP streaming to push data. I like the feature which is about to come with live cycle especially that extra functionality for HTTP streaming to push data.

]]> By: Mark Hendrickson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837254 Mark Hendrickson Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:20:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837254 Nima - I don't want to wade into territory that I don't quite understand either (I'm not a Flash developer, after all), however it was my understand after talking with Adobe that HTTP streaming - a new feature presented by BlazeDS - did differ from persistent flash socket servers and, in fact, didn't involve sockets at all (whereas the traditional LCDS offering, which they will continue to have, does have socket based channels (RTMP) available. My impression was that using sockets was more troublesome than using HTTP streaming. Nima - I don’t want to wade into territory that I don’t quite understand either (I’m not a Flash developer, after all), however it was my understand after talking with Adobe that HTTP streaming - a new feature presented by BlazeDS - did differ from persistent flash socket servers and, in fact, didn’t involve sockets at all (whereas the traditional LCDS offering, which they will continue to have, does have socket based channels (RTMP) available. My impression was that using sockets was more troublesome than using HTTP streaming.

]]> By: Nima Negahban http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837215 Nima Negahban Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:43:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837215 I meant to sign that as my name , My mistake , I need sleep. I meant to sign that as my name , My mistake , I need sleep.

]]> By: Nicholas http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837213 Nicholas Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:39:46 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837213 @Nicholas Bieber you would be right , blazeDS is a fancy name for persistent flash socket servers which has been around since flash 6 , only difference now is they are opening it up , but a lot of frameworks have provided their own implementations, and others shun flash all together and go with things like COMET for web connection persistence. The only reason this passes on TC is cause 99.995 percent of this audience doesn't know any better. Also this is not a replacement for LCDS , this is one of the service offerings in it that they are extracting out. @Nicholas Bieber

you would be right ,

blazeDS is a fancy name for persistent flash socket servers which has been around since flash 6 , only difference now is they are opening it up , but a lot of frameworks have provided their own implementations, and others shun flash all together and go with things like COMET for web connection persistence.

The only reason this passes on TC is cause 99.995 percent of this audience doesn’t know any better.

Also this is not a replacement for LCDS , this is one of the service offerings in it that they are extracting out.

]]> By: Nicholas Bieber http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837147 Nicholas Bieber Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:38:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837147 Mmmm.... I have enough trouble with the current batch of methodologies, and I could be wrong about this, but this sounds a bit like Ajax Comet + Jetty continuations...polling the server, but using Jetty to minimise threads to lighten the load on the server. And it's not Flash specific (which this appears to be). It's not quite pushing from the server, though... I think I'm using big words without knowing what I'm talking about. again. Mmmm…. I have enough trouble with the current batch of methodologies, and I could be wrong about this, but this sounds a bit like Ajax Comet + Jetty continuations…polling the server, but using Jetty to minimise threads to lighten the load on the server. And it’s not Flash specific (which this appears to be). It’s not quite pushing from the server, though…

I think I’m using big words without knowing what I’m talking about. again.

]]> By: Vivek Raghavan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837118 Vivek Raghavan Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:12:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837118 Hey Mark, Adobe has been doing all sorts of exciting things with their platform. First it was open-sourcing Flex and now LCDS. We have been using Flex and LCDS (and FDS- previous incarnation) for about a year now and have had a fantastic experience with both the technologies. IMHO, more than building faster and better websites, this technology is going to revolutionize the enterprise. Rich Internet Applications bring a brand new world to the enterprise and now with the added ability of data pushes and client-server synchronization, think about all the uses: Real-time auto pushed reporting, automatic catalog updates, instant-pushed messaging among employees all over the globe and all using very clean XML based code on the front end and Java like interfaces on the back. We use Adobe's LCDS (and now BlazeDS :)) and Flex to build a product that helps manage the software development process, with customized skinnable desktops and dashboards, upto the second pushed reporting, gorgeous UIs and loads of other features. Its finally time for the enterprise to become slick and fast! Kudos to Adobe! Hey Mark,

Adobe has been doing all sorts of exciting things with their platform. First it was open-sourcing Flex and now LCDS. We have been using Flex and LCDS (and FDS- previous incarnation) for about a year now and have had a fantastic experience with both the technologies.
IMHO, more than building faster and better websites, this technology is going to revolutionize the enterprise. Rich Internet Applications bring a brand new world to the enterprise and now with the added ability of data pushes and client-server synchronization, think about all the uses: Real-time auto pushed reporting, automatic catalog updates, instant-pushed messaging among employees all over the globe and all using very clean XML based code on the front end and Java like interfaces on the back.

We use Adobe’s LCDS (and now BlazeDS :)) and Flex to build a product that helps manage the software development process, with customized skinnable desktops and dashboards, upto the second pushed reporting, gorgeous UIs and loads of other features.

Its finally time for the enterprise to become slick and fast!
Kudos to Adobe!

]]> By: TechBanyan http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837050 TechBanyan Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:21:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837050 ALERT!! Hey Michael, the 'Share' link that you have at the bottom of the article opens up a site which is certified as code red by the McAfee's SiteAdvisor. ALERT!!

Hey Michael, the ‘Share’ link that you have at the bottom of the article opens up a site which is certified as code red by the McAfee’s SiteAdvisor.

]]> By: damon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837032 damon Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:03:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/12/adobe-releases-blazeds-open-source-version-of-livecycle-data-services/#comment-1837032 epoll! epoll!

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