Comments on: 50 Cent: File Sharing Doesn’t Hurt Artists http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:35:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Top 10 “Illegally” Downloaded Songs of 2007 « http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1983026 Top 10 “Illegally” Downloaded Songs of 2007 « Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:37:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1983026 [...] how to incorporate P2P into their marketing plans. For one, most conventional wisdom says that P2P actually HELPS music sales in a lot of cases. Of course, the labels would rather scapegoat P2P services than to make the common sense moves [...] [...] how to incorporate P2P into their marketing plans. For one, most conventional wisdom says that P2P actually HELPS music sales in a lot of cases. Of course, the labels would rather scapegoat P2P services than to make the common sense moves [...]

]]> By: Bluewall Media - Software, Web, Media Content Design and Development http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1943382 Bluewall Media - Software, Web, Media Content Design and Development Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:01:02 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1943382 [...] Interesting post at TechCrunch. 50 Cent says file sharing is a concern, but that artists could still make a lot of money during their careers, if only the music industry would get a clue. “The concerts are crowded and the industry must understand that they have to manage all the 360 degrees around an artist. They, (the industry), have to maximize their income from concerts and merchandise. It is the only way they can get their marketing money back.” “The main problem is that the artists are not getting as much help developing as before file-sharing. They are now learning to peddle ringtones, not records..They don’t understand the value of a perfect piece of art.” [...] [...] Interesting post at TechCrunch. 50 Cent says file sharing is a concern, but that artists could still make a lot of money during their careers, if only the music industry would get a clue. “The concerts are crowded and the industry must understand that they have to manage all the 360 degrees around an artist. They, (the industry), have to maximize their income from concerts and merchandise. It is the only way they can get their marketing money back.” “The main problem is that the artists are not getting as much help developing as before file-sharing. They are now learning to peddle ringtones, not records..They don’t understand the value of a perfect piece of art.” [...]

]]> By: SmutVibes http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1833939 SmutVibes Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:55:16 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1833939 Gary - you asked: "How can new artists supposed to get to the concert stages if their music isn't selling?" Well, by giving it away online people would know and love your music and if it is good, you will suddenly have a huge following...not just online (because people who are online live offline) and those are the people who will go to your concert to see you. If you did not have MTV or Radio - I know you would not buy most of the CD's that you've bought... and you would not know about the artiste. This is just a new medium for artiste to use to distribute their songs - and I know a lot of them are paying DJ's just to play their songs so that you can hear it...so, I see nothing wrong with the so called 'giving it away online' ... I buy CDs of artiste who I think deserved it...if the music or album is good, I buy it...if it isn’t good, then I would MAYBE download it...then again, I don't even have the time to download it... Bottom line - most people I think buy songs once they like the artiste and the songs he/she sings.... Gary - you asked: “How can new artists supposed to get to the concert stages if their music isn’t selling?”

Well, by giving it away online people would know and love your music and if it is good, you will suddenly have a huge following…not just online (because people who are online live offline) and those are the people who will go to your concert to see you.

If you did not have MTV or Radio - I know you would not buy most of the CD’s that you’ve bought… and you would not know about the artiste.

This is just a new medium for artiste to use to distribute their songs - and I know a lot of them are paying DJ’s just to play their songs so that you can hear it…so, I see nothing wrong with the so called ‘giving it away online’ …

I buy CDs of artiste who I think deserved it…if the music or album is good, I buy it…if it isn’t good, then I would MAYBE download it…then again, I don’t even have the time to download it…

Bottom line - most people I think buy songs once they like the artiste and the songs he/she sings….

]]> By: Scary Things http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1831046 Scary Things Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:10:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1831046 50Cent has it right. The music industry became too lazy and accustomed to getting easy money by releasing and promoting crappy artists. Revenue should come from live concerts not record sales. The album is supposed to promote the artist's concerts, not the other way round. 50Cent has it right. The music industry became too lazy and accustomed to getting easy money by releasing and promoting crappy artists. Revenue should come from live concerts not record sales. The album is supposed to promote the artist’s concerts, not the other way round.

]]> By: Marco Raaphorst » Blog Archive » De zich herhalende boodschap http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1830415 Marco Raaphorst » Blog Archive » De zich herhalende boodschap Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:53:40 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1830415 [...] “File sharing doesn’t hurt the artist, concert and merchandise sales are the key to profitin... (bedankt MOMI!) [...] [...] “File sharing doesn’t hurt the artist, concert and merchandise sales are the key to profitin… (bedankt MOMI!) [...]

]]> By: AndrewisWise.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1829845 AndrewisWise.com Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:52:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1829845 We've been running a Hanukkah promotion on our platform, Grooveshark, that aims to be the first true, legal alternative to the illegal networks wherein everybody gets paid, from the user to the content owner. Check out our 29 cent sale still going on, and ending on the 12th: http://www.grooveshark.com/blog/2007/12/05/start-of-groovesharks-29-cent-music-sale/ We’ve been running a Hanukkah promotion on our platform, Grooveshark, that aims to be the first true, legal alternative to the illegal networks wherein everybody gets paid, from the user to the content owner.

Check out our 29 cent sale still going on, and ending on the 12th:

http://www.grooveshark.com/blo.....usic-sale/

]]> By: Wilco http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1829053 Wilco Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:10:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1829053 I don't know about you guys but that picture sure seems to me like he's in a lot of pain right there! I don’t know about you guys but that picture sure seems to me like he’s in a lot of pain right there!

]]> By: Anon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828824 Anon Mon, 10 Dec 2007 06:15:47 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828824 I find it interesting that the author has to start out the article by distancing himself from 50 cents, I find it interesting that the author has to start out the article by distancing himself from 50 cents,

]]> By: Angelos http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828422 Angelos Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:32:41 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828422 Also, what happens when the price of creating individualized consumer products plummets? Will I be accused of illegal t-shirt staring if I screen print the latest 50 snap shot from VIBE? Mo money, mo problems. Also, what happens when the price of creating individualized consumer products plummets? Will I be accused of illegal t-shirt staring if I screen print the latest 50 snap shot from VIBE? Mo money, mo problems.

]]> By: Angelos http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828408 Angelos Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:27:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828408 Several other commentators on this post pointed to the inevitably of merchandising recouping sales for the majority of music artists. True, 50 cent (why do so many technophiles despise hiphop) and artists like Radiohead can enjoy success with uncoventional revenue generating methods. Unfortunately , their tremendous success remains an anomaly. 50 even alludes (yes, I did use 50 and allude in the same sentence) to the effects of declining album sales on the quality of art. Rather than focus on creating the masterfully produced albums released by Dr. Dre, A Tribe Called Quest, and other hip hop artists of yesterday, aspiring artists are forced to cram hours of inspiration into 15 seconds of ringtone. Using this logic, even if record labels adopted "merchandising" as an alternative to RIAA scare tactics, I am hesitant to believe a noticeable turnaround would occur. Artistic endeavors are historically professions connected to benefactors, sponsors, patrons, angels, etc - selling more crap is not going to change this. Michaelangelo did not hawk replicas of David to fund the Sistine Chapel project...he befriended the Medici family. Regardless of the means - whether t-shirts, concerts, cds, cassette tapes, sheet music - the music business will continue to be a hussle industry where money is not distributed equally (see MC Hammer, TLC, Thelonious Monk, Charlie Parker, Van Gogh, countless others). Several other commentators on this post pointed to the inevitably of merchandising recouping sales for the majority of music artists. True, 50 cent (why do so many technophiles despise hiphop) and artists like Radiohead can enjoy success with uncoventional revenue generating methods. Unfortunately , their tremendous success remains an anomaly.

50 even alludes (yes, I did use 50 and allude in the same sentence) to the effects of declining album sales on the quality of art. Rather than focus on creating the masterfully produced albums released by Dr. Dre, A Tribe Called Quest, and other hip hop artists of yesterday, aspiring artists are forced to cram hours of inspiration into 15 seconds of ringtone. Using this logic, even if record labels adopted “merchandising” as an alternative to RIAA scare tactics, I am hesitant to believe a noticeable turnaround would occur.

Artistic endeavors are historically professions connected to benefactors, sponsors, patrons, angels, etc - selling more crap is not going to change this. Michaelangelo did not hawk replicas of David to fund the Sistine Chapel project…he befriended the Medici family.

Regardless of the means - whether t-shirts, concerts, cds, cassette tapes, sheet music - the music business will continue to be a hussle industry where money is not distributed equally (see MC Hammer, TLC, Thelonious Monk, Charlie Parker, Van Gogh, countless others).

]]> By: gary http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828070 gary Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:23:21 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828070 and btw I think it's disgusting that Duncan has linked to bitjunkie and pretty much encourages people to steal music. and btw I think it’s disgusting that Duncan has linked to bitjunkie and pretty much encourages people to steal music.

]]> By: gary http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828051 gary Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:17:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828051 I think giving away some songs for free is a good thing (like at www.sellaband.com), but an new artist would be working at McDonald's for the rest of their lives if they had spent 100,000 on recording and then promoting an album, just to give it all away. My wife is a musician and has just recorded her debut album... we have 2 babies and a 3rd on the way.... there's no way she could just give her album away... we're eating baked beans every night as it is, as all our savings was put into her music. I think giving away some songs for free is a good thing (like at http://www.sellaband.com), but an new artist would be working at McDonald’s for the rest of their lives if they had spent 100,000 on recording and then promoting an album, just to give it all away. My wife is a musician and has just recorded her debut album… we have 2 babies and a 3rd on the way…. there’s no way she could just give her album away… we’re eating baked beans every night as it is, as all our savings was put into her music.

]]> By: gary http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828038 gary Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:12:55 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1828038 That's ok if you are established, but how are new artists supposed to get to the concert stage if their music isn't selling? Promoting a new (or any) artist costs alot of money. The recording of the album costs alot of money. You can't pay the bills by giving the music away. That’s ok if you are established, but how are new artists supposed to get to the concert stage if their music isn’t selling? Promoting a new (or any) artist costs alot of money. The recording of the album costs alot of money. You can’t pay the bills by giving the music away.

]]> By: CAR http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827990 CAR Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:53:39 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827990 50- he's obviously a rich guy, i mean vitamin water, running a record label and clothing line and all that stuff, hes not like other rappers who don't see the business side to the music industry just want a paycheck. he's a hustler, he is absolutely right, a fan no matter what stole music or bought it, will still be committed to that artist, by going to concerts buying merchandise or simply branding that artist by sharing music with others, the industry needs to capitalize on other things, the artist no matter what will get money, but the industry needs to maximize revenue in all ways, george lucas did this back in the 70's. i mean 50 is everywhere clothing,drinks,record label,his music, i think he has a cologne, internet, concerts, movies like with robert de niro and al pacino coming up, i mean i think this guy is a good business man without the USC business degree, hes pretty much branding himself like Donald Trump did/does. 50- he’s obviously a rich guy, i mean vitamin water, running a record label and clothing line and all that stuff, hes not like other rappers who don’t see the business side to the music industry just want a paycheck. he’s a hustler, he is absolutely right, a fan no matter what stole music or bought it, will still be committed to that artist, by going to concerts buying merchandise or simply branding that artist by sharing music with others, the industry needs to capitalize on other things, the artist no matter what will get money, but the industry needs to maximize revenue in all ways, george lucas did this back in the 70’s. i mean 50 is everywhere clothing,drinks,record label,his music, i think he has a cologne, internet, concerts, movies like with robert de niro and al pacino coming up, i mean i think this guy is a good business man without the USC business degree, hes pretty much branding himself like Donald Trump did/does.

]]> By: Larry Chiang http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827782 Larry Chiang Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:00:12 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827782 this blog's street cred just got upped this blog’s street cred just got upped

]]> By: mario http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827655 mario Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:58:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827655 What's so new about that anyway. Madonna did it months ago. It was in the press big time. Changing to concert and merchandise is very common and old news. What’s so new about that anyway. Madonna did it months ago. It was in the press big time. Changing to concert and merchandise is very common and old news.

]]> By: Jake McKee http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827446 Jake McKee Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:25:34 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827446 So yeah, he points out that it doesn't hurt the artists, but absolutely do say (in the first sentence of your quote) that it hurts the record companies. (I'm not sure I agree with him, but I'm just pointing out that you cherry picked your desired points) So yeah, he points out that it doesn’t hurt the artists, but absolutely do say (in the first sentence of your quote) that it hurts the record companies.

(I’m not sure I agree with him, but I’m just pointing out that you cherry picked your desired points)

]]> By: xxdesmus http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827421 xxdesmus Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:13:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827421 @Kikerbeg You don't hear us making fun of your terrible taste in music. You're not witty or original so please just STFU. @Kikerbeg

You don’t hear us making fun of your terrible taste in music. You’re not witty or original so please just STFU.

]]> By: A Reader http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827401 A Reader Sun, 09 Dec 2007 19:04:31 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827401 Kikerbeg, that's hilarious and original. Kikerbeg, that’s hilarious and original.

]]> By: Mike Lee http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827376 Mike Lee Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:49:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827376 What if <a href="http://bizthoughts.mikelee.org/pretty-independent-machine-songs-as-promotions.html" rel="nofollow">digital song files became promotional vehicles</a>, instead of being seen as revenue generating products? In other words, digital songs are encouraged to be distributed as widely as possible, to gain the largest audience reach. Meanwhile, revenue is generated from other means: live performances, merchandise, ringtones, commercial licensing, corporate sponsorships, etc? Hmmm. What if digital song files became promotional vehicles, instead of being seen as revenue generating products? In other words, digital songs are encouraged to be distributed as widely as possible, to gain the largest audience reach. Meanwhile, revenue is generated from other means: live performances, merchandise, ringtones, commercial licensing, corporate sponsorships, etc? Hmmm.

]]> By: Kikerberg http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827356 Kikerberg Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:41:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827356 "Hip-hop music" is an oxymoron. “Hip-hop music” is an oxymoron.

]]> By: What's Hot Today.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827336 What's Hot Today.com Sun, 09 Dec 2007 18:32:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827336 I think you're right Steve Ballmer http://www.whatshottoday.com I think you’re right Steve Ballmer

http://www.whatshottoday.com

]]> By: xxdesmus http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827183 xxdesmus Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:27:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827183 @Chris R. Your comment just provided plenty of evidence for this "personal attack": You are an ignorant racist douche bag. @Chris R.

Your comment just provided plenty of evidence for this “personal attack”:

You are an ignorant racist douche bag.

]]> By: Matt_ http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827031 Matt_ Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:21:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1827031 The Hip Hop industry was built on DYI and Illicit Mix Tapes (the record companies hate the Mix Tape Scene) . 50 Cent is Right Music Has become a commodity and I was talking with a Online Music Distribution executive recently that told me in 2008 expect Music to be free after the record companies see a massive revolt from thier shareholders and a massive drop in thier market cap and a huge cut in music industry executive salaries. This same Exec told me that DRM would die in mid 2007 . The Hip Hop industry was built on DYI and Illicit Mix Tapes (the record companies hate the Mix Tape Scene) .

50 Cent is Right Music Has become a commodity and I was talking with a Online Music Distribution executive recently that told me in 2008 expect Music to be free after the record companies see a massive revolt from thier shareholders and a massive drop in thier market cap and a huge cut in music industry executive salaries. This same Exec told me that DRM would die in mid 2007 .

]]> By: Chris R. http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1826991 Chris R. Sun, 09 Dec 2007 16:01:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/12/08/50-cent-file-sharing-doesn%e2%80%99t-hurt-artists/#comment-1826991 Yo litta homey g, don't be stealins his l00t! He just gonna getit at da concets anyway. He stills gonna be buyin mad cribs and caddies n' sh1t. I translated it to ebonics just in case we get any rappers that come by TC and can't understand what Duncan wrote. Yo litta homey g, don’t be stealins his l00t!
He just gonna getit at da concets anyway. He stills gonna be buyin mad cribs and caddies n’ sh1t.

I translated it to ebonics just in case we get any rappers that come by TC and can’t understand what Duncan wrote.

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