December 6, 2007

OpenSocial Still “Not Open for Business”

Erick Schonfeld

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opensocial-logo.pngIt’s only been about a month since Google launched OpenSocial, its development platform for social networking applications. But already developers are frustrated with how half-baked the whole thing is. Russ Whitman, the founder of MediaPops, a startup that launched at TechCrunch 40, reports to us in an e-mail:

While we were initially very excited, we have learned the hard way just how limited the release truly is. My dev group has been discussing the issues in the Google forum trying to figure out how to build our service through OpenSocial. From our experience its not even a beta platform. The concept of “write once, distribute broadly” is not accurate and core functionality components are missing.

Its clear we are pre-Beta at this point, with Google telling developers they are hoping to launch 1.0 early next year. Any company hoping to leverage Open Social as a means to grow its user base similarly to the Facebook growth model will need to wait at least until February to get started, if its ready then. In the end my hope is that Open Social becomes more than just hype to compete with Facebook.

In our opinion the fundamental problem lies in the core value of Open Social - it’s a unique partnership between Google, Containers/Hosts, and Developers. Getting all on the same page is going to be a ton of work. The opportunity is clear, but the path to get there will be difficult for sure. We remain excited about the vision, but are disappointed with the current state of the union. It’s clear that they announced too soon, and clearly Open Social is NOT Open for Business. (sigh)

Whitman is not alone in this assessment. Even as Google was preparing to launch OpenSocial, back when it was codenamed Maka-Maka, developers were telling me that Google needed “more time” and that the launch was “a challenge for them.” More recently, here is a developer thread on Google Groups about the problems with the “write once, run anywhere” part of OpenSocial. And just last Friday, Google quietly acknowledged how much work it still has to do to get OpenSocial up and running in a meaningful way when a Google employee posted this lengthy to-do list on Google Groups titled “What’s up with OpenSocial?

The post is an attempt to address developer concerns. But it is clear from the laundry list that Google has a long way to go before OpenSocial can be taken seriously. The post addresses issues with security, navigation, privacy, basic user-interface features, standardizing profiles across all apps, timing of the more-baked 1.0 launch, versioning, API specifications, and the lack of an application directory. Google has yet to determine such basic things as “what features a container supports” (container is Googlespeak for a site that hosts OpenSocial applications), standards for passing data between profile and canvas pages, or even how to reserve a name and URL for an OpenSocial app.

Given all the uproar around Facebook’s Beacon project and how it sends data about members willy-nilly across the Web, Google should make sure it doesn’t fall into the same trap as well. Might as well add it to the list.

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  1. Yakov

    It just proves again that you are better off building a standalone business than depending on anyone else..

  2. Chris R.

    OMFG, you mean it was hyped up???
    Nooo……

    I wouldn’t believe that multi-million dollar silicon valley journalists could go gaga overboard over some cheapo API who’s info is largely available via HTTP GET anyway.

  3. Sipboy

    I hope the people who are relying on this to grow their apps have a plan B strategy. I am waiting for the shakeout before I invest. Sounds like a bursting bubble is looming. This only proves that social networking will evolve into other new and emerging platforms. I don’t really think OpenSocial and Facebook apps is good for the users anyway. Just another way to invade privacy and make a ton of money off the users.

  4. Chris R.

    Did you notice the about faces recently?
    Facebook fund, Facebook beacon, MySpace XML outputting of user info, Google OpenAntiSocial, ect….

    I have a strong suspicion that the kids that flew these ideas past management didn’t fully explain to said management the full implications of allowing users to dump their SQL databases via XML.

    I considered letting people do that with our search, then I considered again. Google limits results to 1000, myspace to 3000, and I’m limiting it too. If you let people dump your DB too easily, you have a crisis on your hands. Google botting websites is still pretty hard for average folk.

  5. vrox

    I suspected this would happen. I think they only reason they launched so early was to take some press from facebook. Lame. Google is way overextended here. You can’t take over the world with 15,000 employees. I suspect this will flop because Google is underestimating the amount of engineering required to get this thing up and running.

    As the company grows and the stock flatlines, the employees will leave at 5pm. No more golden handcuffs means no more slaves working till midnight. Result, slower and slower innovation.

  6. Chris

    Actually, I think OpenSocial is a great concept, and will be made into a great product. The Google devs just needed to spend more time on it before ‘launching’.

  7. Amir Michail

    In the mean time, you might try checking this out for promising app ideas on OpenSocial/Facebook.

    Mindrosia: App Ideas Generated Through Horseplay
    http://www.allfacebook.com/200.....horseplay/

  8. open nothing

    oh how a couple of weeks changes things.

    it was just a couple of weeks that this very blog posted about how open social was a masterful move… and all the comments that followed were praising google for being so “smart”

    smell the coffee folks!

    it was a sign of desperation by google. They lost in social networking and this was just a PR stunt to try to stop the momentum by Facebook.

    This is going into the deadpool….

  9. Doug

    Reminds me of Microsoft’s “.Net” strategy so many years ago. We still haven’t figured that one out.

  10. Botmonster

    It’s because facebook platform is so popular that google didn’t have much time to wait to be just “the second” …

  11. matt

    I’m so sick of all the G-hype lately…

    Open social, energy, android, gphones…

    They are a hype machine that released open social to cool down facebook.

    I was really looking forward to using it, especially with linkedin, but after weeks of research on it, I found all the (not all but 90%) providers have not implemented it, including linkedin… So I guess not only was google hyping it, but all the companies that “will” participate hyped it too and got “Free” publicity.

    works great with Orkut though.

  12. sd

    I think Google somehow did it. At least they drive attentions away from FB apps, which was insanely overhyped prior to the opensocial release. now things have been slow down, developer flocks to explore opensocial.

    now they are confused, which is a good attention redirection out of fb.

  13. Pran Kurup

    It is quite typical of a large established company trying to go against an upstart — Talk standards, build a consortium etc. Now that the dust has settled after the initial buzz it remains to be seen if anything comes out of this.

  14. skc

    Google, still a one trick pony.

  15. Michael

    As far as I can remember OpenSocial was announced right after FB announced that MS buys in. I was surprised that they Google had kept both options open and was ready to launch OpenSocial so short after being turned down (or having turned down) FB.

    But, well, seems they were not ready after all. Maybe Google just announced to steal the hype from FB.

    Wait a second, that smells a bit like FUD tactics. Reminds me of the 800 pound gorillas of the past IT ages (IBM, MS).


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  16. Alan Wilensky

    Consider that these problems of nomenclature and basic API implementation issues, right out of the gate, is very bad form for an august provider of otherwise great tools. Many of Google’s other programmer tools are well documented.

    I also have it from the inside that this is not happening with Android, the developers are quite pleased with what is, admittedly, a flavor of Linux with a phone HAL.

    I’ll bet ya that the Google brass rushed OpenSocial out the door and maybe the owner of the product hasnt had time to think through all the issues.

    Social crapola in general, as a medium for programming better productivity for real services, is still in its infancy.

  17. drew olanoff

    This is another case of overzealous PR driving a company. Will OpenSocial be a hit? Probably. Will Android make Google some loot? Sure. Could Beacon be great with some work? Absolutely.

    But in the race to “be the first”, they’ve stumbled a bit.

    Odd thing is, Google is good at the art of surprise, Gmail came out of nowhere, some of their best stuff was turned around rather quickly. That’s why I was irked at OpenSocial. Maybe it’s because they needed to see if others would be on board before they threw resources at it?

    Who knows.

  18. whoopie

    google did the right thing.

    don’t worry about what works, just announce everything, goose your stock, and cash out

    pump and dump mutherfreakers, and the idiots are hungry again for GOOG shares

    yeah basically BSing people may haunt you in five years, but who cares? by that time you are on your boat near tahiti while the plebs back home figure out how to clean up the mess

  19. whoopie

    oh and the cherry on top for G is getting the stock boost without actually having to build out…by time q2 08 rolls out, facebook will be passe, half of the fb apps will have been abandoned, and people will go back to their previous realities

  20. KirkH

    Blogs need to turn into applications and people who don’t write sign on and eventually you’ll have social networks that ensure privacy through decentralization.

    OpenID+OpenSocial+Blog Plugins = We can quit worrying about the roads and focus on where we’re going.

  21. Shifra

    Yes, they’re being open about the fact that the APIs are not baked yet. But this is really a standard they’re working on here, not a codebase. I don’t have such a big problem with the fact that this standard is being floated before it’s complete. Most standards need community input. Maybe a bunch of us should put energy into contributing to Shindig (when it’s a reality) instead of complaining about the incompleteness of OpenSocial so far. I don’t hear any actual claims from them that it’s finished, or that it’s a magic bullet.

  22. Steve Ballmer

    Welcome to the Social!

  23. Big Bopper

    Uh oh. That’s definitely a play from the Microsoft Playbook - release alpha level software under cover of deafening hype in an attempt to draw market attention away from the better product. Anyone remember how bad Access v1.0 was? How about early versions of IE? Great end runs around the competition at the expense of consumers to be sure. In this case, it is at the expense of developers but the play is still the same.

    This doesn’t bode well for Google in my opinion. It is the move of an overextended giant who won’t let the smaller kids play in the same sandbox.

  24. OpenSocial Blogger

    Sorry Erick, this is a non-story. Anyone who has investigated OpenSocial for more than 5 minutes realizes that it’s just a spec and that there are still many facets of it that need to be developed. Will it be complicated because of all the parties involved? Yes. Will it ultimately end up delivering something very powerful? Totally. It’s amazing to consider that only one month from the announcement, there are already useful opensocial apps being deployed; the original timeline from many of the companies acting as containers was to implement something early next year. Instead we have a number of containers which work for testing and lots of interested developers helping to guide the featureset as they build their apps.

  25. Joshua Beil

    Same sentiments are echoed by a RockYou exec that I recently spoke with:
    http://www.beilblog.com/2007/1.....l-not.html

  26. Jeremy Horn

    Exactly the concerns I expressed earlier in my blog post on OpenSocial back in November…
    http://tpgblog.com/2007/11/20/.....-catalyst/

    Jeremy Horn
    The Product Guy
    http://tpgblog.com

  27. Russ

    @ 24 OpenSocial Blogger - What “useful opensocial apps” have been deployed? I’ve spent a ton of time trying to find them without any luck. Most don’t work or are merely test apps.
    I think the story here is that the press was that they were launching an API, not a spec that would eventually lead to an API. Google developers are now admitting how little is actually ready, and the containers are not “alligned”.
    I agree that this could really be great once complete, its why we are investing development effort toward it.

  28. Chris Saad

    The broader issue is how the social graph and data can be ported between all applications - not just widgets and containers.

    The open standards already exist, all that’s needed is the context and reference design so that developers can come up with a great, common pattern for implementation.

    http://www.dataportability.org for more info.

  29. 113.com

    Yes it was (still is) indeed very half-baked and gradually becoming disappointing.. (actually — very disappointing)… /ac.

  30. 113.com

    so disappointing to the point that I’m going to tell my engineers to remove any OpenSocial reference from our site, /ac.

  31. Willy Qwintinella

    “Uh oh. That’s definitely a play from the Microsoft Playbook - release alpha level software under cover of deafening hype in an attempt to draw market attention away from the better product.”

    No surprise here given that Open Social was announced by Vic Gundotra, a veteran of Microsoft who specialized in Smoke-n-Mirrors.

  32. Steve

    OpenSocial was certainly over-hyped, probably more by everyone else than Google themselves, just because the story was so good. I think in the long-run it’s going to be successful, on a much wider scale than facebook’s dev community. More than likely facebook will support it in the end, or else some easy tools will emerge to deploy seamlessly to both platforms. Facebook is so huge and has forged so many links between people and their friends that only a strategy such as this (where it’s google + the world vs facebook) could possibly work.

    It’s essential that OpenSocial is done right. If it takes some time to do that then in the grand scheme of things we should be supportive. We’re talking about the single most important new standard going forward for the future of the web. If Google didn’t do this, others would - it’s inevitable and it’s needed. We’ve seen the future on facebook, now we need a few years of hard work to get the whole network up to speed. Web apps and indeed most websites not built on a social platform will be vastly inferior in the coming years.

  33. wil

    I tried to build that into my site but just couldn’t do it.

    There doc sucked and everything else.

    Google what ever.