November 30, 2007

Is AdBrite About to Lose One Third of Its Ads?

Erick Schonfeld

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AdBrite might have just secured an additional $23 million in funding, but at midnight tonight its business prospects may look decidedly dimmer. Competing ad network Etology is cutting deals with some of AdBrite’s biggest customers to take over their ads.

A big chunk of the ads that AdBrite serves are for porn sites on behalf of the AVN Media Network. These AVN Ads make up 31 percent of AdBrite’s total daily impressions (259 million out of 824 million total, according to the respective Websites). Yes, porn is the lifeblood of many of these online ad networks—don’t act so surprised.

etology-logo.pngSince December, 2004 AdBrite has been supplying the technology, billing, and payment platform for AVN Ads. Now that deal is going to Etology, who will manage the site from now on and relaunch it with a new look. Before that happens, AdBrite is trying to redirect all of its members to its own new adult advertising sub-brand, BlackLabelAds. If you go to the AVN Ads Website, you will see a big pop-up trying to switch advertisers and publishers with existing accounts over to BlackLabelAds. Yet, according to Etology, it has already secured the loyalty of 1,268 (and counting) of the biggest porn sites on AVN Ads, including YouPorn, PornTube, and RedTube. (Out of 6,614 total). Those 1,268 sites account for 108 million daily impressions (or 42 percent of AVN Ads’ total, and 13 percent of AdBrite’s total). The other 151 million impressions are still up for grabs. Etology is trying to lure them with a 75 percent share of revenues, versus the 70 percent they got from AdBrite.

I caught up with AdBrite co-founder Philip Kaplan on the phone to get his take. He notes that all the current 6,614 sites that run AVN Ads have AdBrite code on them, and that is going to stay there unless they take it off. “If you were an AVN Ads user before, you are automatically a BlackLabelAds user.” But he is really not too worried about losing the porn business because it is not where he sees the future:


Adult is an interesting thing. It is a lot of pageviews, it is not a lot of revenues. Most of the major players support it, but as the Internet advertising business is growing and more mainstream advertising is coming from TV and print, it is becoming less and less significant.

In the meantime, he is happy to fight it out with Etology for the porn advertising business, but it is not where he is planning on spending the bulk of the new money he just raised.

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Here is what the new AVN Ads Website will look like:

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  1. Steve Ballmer

    Sorry boys, but the ad biz is dog eat dog!

  2. Don Wilson

    Does anyone else think that this copycat “Fake Steve Ballmer” is insanely annoying?

  3. Roy

    Yes.

  4. Roy

    But back on track, I’m not entirely surprised by Kaplan’s attitude. Previous mediums have used adult content as training wheels to establish the technology and revenue models, and I think internet marketing has definitely reached that point. There’s a saturation in that market, and other markets are fully maturing.

    As optimistic as he might be trying to be, I think he’s probably right.

  5. Goldie Wilson

    Porn pwnage

  6. stone

    Nothing to be proud of. You cannot sell a company that takes 1/3 of its revenue from Adult sites. Nice try guys! Instead, you actually have to develop a compelling business model that *real* companies demand. Mixing a bunch of shit with a few decent publishers is NEVER going to work.

  7. Roy

    I think revenue determines what “real” companies are, stone. If I’m wrong, I’ll take a large check from a fake company any day.

  8. avalanche

    I understand mainstream’s desire to stay out of adult entertainment, but for someone like Stone to state that Adult sites are “shit” or that a business model including adult is not a “compelling business model that *real* comapies demand” is absolutely ignorant. A desire to stay out of adult is fine, but adult business models are no different than any others, the only variation is the question of its product. Remember the old rule of supply and demand?

  9. David Mackey

    I must say I am surprised. What other major ad providers have these departments?

  10. Anti-Fake Steve Ballmer

    Fake Steve Ballmer is more annoying than another Apple update

  11. StartupEarth

    I just signed up with etology (thanks for the tip) - trouble is, they suffer from the same problem as adbright, which is before you start getting ads in, you have to put up this godawful temporary banner that looks pretty f**** ugly.

    I put up the etogoly banner and lo, a hideous bright green thing appears that just had to go.

    I know the folk over at etology probably read this blog, so here’s my idea… if you want to retain publishers, why not allow them to choose a temporary banner that actually suits the site?

    Until then, I’ve gone back to the very pretty, but useless CPA ads from TradeDoubler.

  12. AW

    Hm, hm.

    I was just about to start advising a client on potential advertising revenue platforms, and now this happens…

    I guess we’ll wait it out and since what happens.

  13. UberInvestor.com

    Porn ads are a big business. This market is heavily underserved since Google doesn’t participate in it. I don’t think that adBrite will lose 1/3 of their business. Infact, competition will increase awareness bout their products and services. Also, lets keep in mind just like Web 2.0, there is a bubble of Ad Platforms as well. Everyone wants to run an Ad Platform (similar to what happened for the Affiliate Platfoms). But the current players are likely to get bigger and most of the small ones will simply go away. End of they as a publisher of several websites or one large website all I care about is monetizing and not going through the trouble of switching platforms. I would rather go with a big guy who I know will exist few years from now.

  14. Fred

    That would be fantastic to see them lose market share in porn. Why? Well shit, maybe they could focus on enhancing adbrite and making it a legitimate contender to Google adsense. As it stands, if you want to make money online by serving up ads.. Google is in my experience, the only quality provider. They have great ads and ‘fair’ pay compared to the competition. They need someone to put the squeeze on them and it seems Ad Brite is in a position to do so, but my guess is they’re so fat on porn ads that they have given regular ads the blind eye.

  15. Jon

    @2 Don, I don’t know which Steve Balmer is more annoying, the real one or the fake one. ;-)

    Jon

  16. stone

    Folks,

    AdBrite tried (hard) to see their company before they raised this round. Everyone in the valley knows they went through a failed or busted sale process. Why? Really simple. Too much adult revenue and not enough solid revenue from mainstream customers. Facts are facts.

  17. stone

    Sorry - AdBrite tried to *sell* their company before they raised their round…

  18. Chuck

    Porn…meh..whatever. Couldn’t care less.

    The sad thing is that AdBrite has so much potential in the mainstream market, and is in a market with so few good options. Their fatal error (and the same one that kills so many others) is that they have no standards. No one needs crap ads on their site…but since Adbrite accepts anyone and has such a lousy monetization model, they have nothing to offer…even in a market struggling for other decent monetization models that can be run alongside AdSense.

    But…if you’re not willing to kiss garbage goodbye, you’ll end up sleeping with it.

  19. hi-tech-ti

    We tried abrite on an entertainment site, but all it bloody shows is “your ad here”, or ” satellite tv on your pc”.

  20. Nina Hartley

    AdBrite NEVER really worked for any campaigns I have tried. Poor execution. Poor service.

  21. Rich

    AdBrite lost the rights to the name avnads.com which was never theirs to begin with. Nothing else has really changed. Sure etology is taking advantages of the situation to try and lure customers, but on the backend nothing is different other than the name.

  22. Rich

    Oh and one more thing - its not like the big players do not support porn ads - they do, they just keep it very hush hush and do not allow their ads to go on the content side (well in Google’s case this is true). For instance go search “porn” in google.

    What do you know! Adult ads along the side.

  23. Ad-a-rama

    AdEngage is another ad network that is a peer of AdBrite and Etology. They have excellent customer service. They are based in Los Angeles and therefore not as well known in the investment community.

  24. Googles

    I only use Google ads for my website. Google only acquire startups who uses google ads.

    Microsoft ads no…
    Yahoo ads no…
    Ask ads… Maybe yes…
    Amazon ads… No..

    Yandex HELL YEAH….

  25. Another Anti Fake Steve

    Fake Steve Jobs called and he wants his originality back.

  26. Doug Mehus

    I think we need a Fake Barry Diller or, better yet, to bring the “Fake ” fad to its saturation point, go for even greater obscurity. How about Fake Safra Catz (Oracle Co-President & CFO), Fake Yusuf Mehdi (head of the MSN/Windows Live product group, or at least he used to be), Fake Jeff Weiner (Yahoo! exec), Fake Evan Williams (Twitter founder and Blogger co-founder), or even Fake Duncan Riley (TechCrunch writer).

    Of course, I’m only kidding. Fake Steve Ballmer is moderately funny sometimes, most of the time he’s annoying and just a troll. We don’t need more “Fake” phenomena.

    Cheers,
    Doug

  27. babecast

    Adultfriendfinder always seemed to be a better player. ;)

  28. shy guy

    Oh.. it is not good..
    Why porn???

  29. mike

    Im suprised adengage was not mentioned as they clearly have the best thing going around. You can use your own images for your ads and seemlesly integrate them in. Although the images rarely match the ads at all one thing i hope they fix sometime. Just the ctr made it easy to switch from all the rest.

    Ive personally tested them all adengage,etology,blacklabel,avnads,exoclick,adultadworld,adtoll and various others.

    The biggest issue with adbrite i experinced was what seemed like a long period the ads served so bloody slow seemed like a year. Unless you framed them in a seperate page you site would hang. Many in the webmaster community experinced that. So the customer base was and is already shopping around imho.

    mike

  30. j

    I wonder if adbrite will be on f*ckedcompany since Kaplan started both of them…how ironic.

  31. Steve

    I’ve been using these with great success, it’ll be interesting to see what happens next! It’s such a huge part of the business.