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	<title>Comments on: Geni Clone Growing A Lot Faster Than Geni</title>
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		<title>By: More Genealogy stuff &#124; benway.net</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-2393003</link>
		<dc:creator>More Genealogy stuff &#124; benway.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gustavo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1805355</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustavo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Geni.com is getting behind, but how am I going to transfer all 770 profiles in my tree to another service?

I'm from Brazil and basically all the people who are active in my tree don't understand English very well. Therefore, the Portuguese version of Genoom and Verwandt are quite appealing. But again: how am I going to tell every body to move to another service?

I guess it's easier to demand Geni to translate their interface!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Geni.com is getting behind, but how am I going to transfer all 770 profiles in my tree to another service?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Brazil and basically all the people who are active in my tree don&#8217;t understand English very well. Therefore, the Portuguese version of Genoom and Verwandt are quite appealing. But again: how am I going to tell every body to move to another service?</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s easier to demand Geni to translate their interface!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1802175</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wait until Geni gets their import GEDCOM feature working. As Vince mentioned these "profiles" on both Geni and Verwandt.de are mostly dead people. Geni reached 10 million profiles Oct 31st with no import function (active users had to manually enter these profiles), whereas Verwandt.de reached 10 million yesterday (the 29th of November) with import working from the start. Lets see actual living user numbers from both companies and then we can see who is growing faster. Geni touts 750,000+ active living users as of Oct 31st. Verwandt.de blog makes no mention of active users (and apparently doesn't know the difference between 1 billion and 10 million).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wait until Geni gets their import GEDCOM feature working. As Vince mentioned these &#8220;profiles&#8221; on both Geni and Verwandt.de are mostly dead people. Geni reached 10 million profiles Oct 31st with no import function (active users had to manually enter these profiles), whereas Verwandt.de reached 10 million yesterday (the 29th of November) with import working from the start. Lets see actual living user numbers from both companies and then we can see who is growing faster. Geni touts 750,000+ active living users as of Oct 31st. Verwandt.de blog makes no mention of active users (and apparently doesn&#8217;t know the difference between 1 billion and 10 million).</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1800286</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as a point of comparison, ancestry.com's online family tree product (which has been live for a little over a year) has over 350 million profiles, and users add 7 million more a week. Geni and Verwandt have a lot of catching up to do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a point of comparison, ancestry.com&#8217;s online family tree product (which has been live for a little over a year) has over 350 million profiles, and users add 7 million more a week. Geni and Verwandt have a lot of catching up to do!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1800228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It tells you that the first and best doesn't always win. I just re-watched Triumph of the Nerds documentary about Apple/MSFT appropriately titled "Artists Steal." We've seen this in the dot-com age a thousand times more because of the ability to steal. Review: MySpace, Friendster, Facebook, Hi5, Bolt, Piczo, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It tells you that the first and best doesn&#8217;t always win. I just re-watched Triumph of the Nerds documentary about Apple/MSFT appropriately titled &#8220;Artists Steal.&#8221; We&#8217;ve seen this in the dot-com age a thousand times more because of the ability to steal. Review: MySpace, Friendster, Facebook, Hi5, Bolt, Piczo, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey Lab</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799906</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey Lab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>test</description>
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		<title>By: Vince</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799865</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A "profile" is merely a record of a person, not an actual user.   Given that Verwandt has GEDCOM import, it would be easy for a relatively small number of genealogy buffs to import large trees creating rapid growth in the number of "profiles".   This growth might be disproportionate to the number of actual registered users they have.   My understanding is that Geni hasn't launched GEDOM import yet, so all of their "profiles" were almost all entered individually.  
The real reach of Verwandt can only be measured by the number of actual registered users they have.   So the question is, how many actual users came and registered on Verwandt's site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A &#8220;profile&#8221; is merely a record of a person, not an actual user.   Given that Verwandt has GEDCOM import, it would be easy for a relatively small number of genealogy buffs to import large trees creating rapid growth in the number of &#8220;profiles&#8221;.   This growth might be disproportionate to the number of actual registered users they have.   My understanding is that Geni hasn&#8217;t launched GEDOM import yet, so all of their &#8220;profiles&#8221; were almost all entered individually.<br />
The real reach of Verwandt can only be measured by the number of actual registered users they have.   So the question is, how many actual users came and registered on Verwandt&#8217;s site?</p>
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		<title>By: John Philip Green</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799783</link>
		<dc:creator>John Philip Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://languify.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Languify.com&lt;/a&gt; would be super relevant to Geni and most other web apps... there's such a huge opportunity in supporting multiple languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://languify.com" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/languify.com');">Languify.com</a> would be super relevant to Geni and most other web apps&#8230; there&#8217;s such a huge opportunity in supporting multiple languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ballmer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799738</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zuneology.com the real happenin' place for this kinda stuff!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zuneology.com the real happenin&#8217; place for this kinda stuff!</p>
<p><a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Inez Tikus</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799692</link>
		<dc:creator>Inez Tikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't see anything remotely close that resembles revenues.  Not now and not in the near future.  Unless... unless selling email addresses is a legitemate source of income according to Charles River Ventures</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see anything remotely close that resembles revenues.  Not now and not in the near future.  Unless&#8230; unless selling email addresses is a legitemate source of income according to Charles River Ventures</p>
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		<title>By: al gore globa lwarming</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799534</link>
		<dc:creator>al gore globa lwarming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where does the $100mm valuation come from?</description>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799528</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did some further digging.

As quoted the project was posted on: http://www.elance.com/c/rfp/main/rfpBid.pl?jobid=12039961

Also attached to the requested project (readable if logged in) is::
"Please note: The plattform should be mult-lingual. The frontend will be in english but all text visiblie for the user should be separate from the code so the plattform can easaly translated into another language. For us quality and timing for completion extremly important."

If you look at the developers feedback page you can see the feedback that was given by the project creator (Tobias??).
Looks like the project didn't get off the ground as they would of liked.

  	 06/26/2007  $4,800.00    Website Development - Clone
Category: Website Development &#62; Other - Website Development
Buyer: Dirk07 (1 feedback)
We were not satisfied with the work. The Project was delayed by 150% and the specifications were not read or not understood: - Different DB enginge than specified - Code not commented - Partrally used Romanian variable names On top the code was monolithic. Although requested multiple times, code fragments werde not shown. They were presented, when it was too late to change (e.g. HTML user table layout). In general: Before assigning the project the team was very nice. We made very clear, that time is a very important issue for us but promised time lines were not kept - even short terms (e.g. "tomorrow"). We are sorry but we will have to code at least 80% of the software again to meet the defined requirements.

Provider Response: Cratima
Dear Tobias, Let me say that this was one of the most surprising and unfair feedbacks we have ever received. Let me break it down for you: 1. "We were not satisfied with the work." - That is not what any of the press releases you posted on your homepage say. 2. "The Project was ...Different DB engine than specified": - You were the ones to insist on longer than needed bug testing; your feedback was terribly slow for this process, only a few bugs every week over an extent of few weeks. - The DB was rewritten only because you failed to provide a clear specification about the relations between relatives. You wanted to add more degrees of kinship than initially agreed upon in the contracts we both signed, not us. - Different DB engine is a reason to complain? When you changed the specification we had to adapt to your needs so we used a more expensive, more stable, more difficult to configure engine just to meet your requirements; all of this free of charge. (You were fair enough not to deny the fact that we adhered to your budget). Again we take the brunt, when in fact you should thank us. 3. "Although...when it was too late to change (e.g. HTML user table layout)." - the HTML can always be seen on a web page in any browser without having to get a hold of source files, and can be viewed in the source code; actually HTML code is client side, so it is entirely surprising a man in your position does not posses this elementary piece of information. 4. "We made very clear that..." - like I said, you also delayed the project. 5. "We are sorry but..." - you held press releases long before the site was launched, so you were sure that the code was alright; - you also had no hesitation in paying us at the end; so why would you pay for something you were not satisfied with if indeed the code was poorly written? That is all, I hope you can take some time to reflect and realize you have caused us a great injustice. Best of luck in the future,XcellenceIT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some further digging.</p>
<p>As quoted the project was posted on: <a href="http://www.elance.com/c/rfp/main/rfpBid.pl?jobid=12039961" rel="nofollow">http://www.elance.com/c/rfp/ma.....d=12039961</a></p>
<p>Also attached to the requested project (readable if logged in) is::<br />
&#8220;Please note: The plattform should be mult-lingual. The frontend will be in english but all text visiblie for the user should be separate from the code so the plattform can easaly translated into another language. For us quality and timing for completion extremly important.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you look at the developers feedback page you can see the feedback that was given by the project creator (Tobias??).<br />
Looks like the project didn&#8217;t get off the ground as they would of liked.</p>
<p>  	 06/26/2007  $4,800.00    Website Development - Clone<br />
Category: Website Development &gt; Other - Website Development<br />
Buyer: Dirk07 (1 feedback)<br />
We were not satisfied with the work. The Project was delayed by 150% and the specifications were not read or not understood: - Different DB enginge than specified - Code not commented - Partrally used Romanian variable names On top the code was monolithic. Although requested multiple times, code fragments werde not shown. They were presented, when it was too late to change (e.g. HTML user table layout). In general: Before assigning the project the team was very nice. We made very clear, that time is a very important issue for us but promised time lines were not kept - even short terms (e.g. &#8220;tomorrow&#8221;). We are sorry but we will have to code at least 80% of the software again to meet the defined requirements.</p>
<p>Provider Response: Cratima<br />
Dear Tobias, Let me say that this was one of the most surprising and unfair feedbacks we have ever received. Let me break it down for you: 1. &#8220;We were not satisfied with the work.&#8221; - That is not what any of the press releases you posted on your homepage say. 2. &#8220;The Project was &#8230;Different DB engine than specified&#8221;: - You were the ones to insist on longer than needed bug testing; your feedback was terribly slow for this process, only a few bugs every week over an extent of few weeks. - The DB was rewritten only because you failed to provide a clear specification about the relations between relatives. You wanted to add more degrees of kinship than initially agreed upon in the contracts we both signed, not us. - Different DB engine is a reason to complain? When you changed the specification we had to adapt to your needs so we used a more expensive, more stable, more difficult to configure engine just to meet your requirements; all of this free of charge. (You were fair enough not to deny the fact that we adhered to your budget). Again we take the brunt, when in fact you should thank us. 3. &#8220;Although&#8230;when it was too late to change (e.g. HTML user table layout).&#8221; - the HTML can always be seen on a web page in any browser without having to get a hold of source files, and can be viewed in the source code; actually HTML code is client side, so it is entirely surprising a man in your position does not posses this elementary piece of information. 4. &#8220;We made very clear that&#8230;&#8221; - like I said, you also delayed the project. 5. &#8220;We are sorry but&#8230;&#8221; - you held press releases long before the site was launched, so you were sure that the code was alright; - you also had no hesitation in paying us at the end; so why would you pay for something you were not satisfied with if indeed the code was poorly written? That is all, I hope you can take some time to reflect and realize you have caused us a great injustice. Best of luck in the future,XcellenceIT</p>
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		<title>By: MR JOURNAL - Technologie, Startups, Web und Gründerszene &#187; Schlägt Verwandt.de das Original?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799492</link>
		<dc:creator>MR JOURNAL - Technologie, Startups, Web und Gründerszene &#187; Schlägt Verwandt.de das Original?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 18:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch heute berichtet, plant Verwandt.de nach der europäischen Expansion unter dem Namen Itsourtree nun in den [...]</description>
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		<title>By: itsourtree.com Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799446</link>
		<dc:creator>itsourtree.com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from that, Techcrunch reported in detail today, we hope you didn&#8217;t encounter any difficulties as a result of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799445</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many users are ACTIVE, in the sense of coming back to actually using the site, not just starting a tree and never returning? To me, that seems to be the most important question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many users are ACTIVE, in the sense of coming back to actually using the site, not just starting a tree and never returning? To me, that seems to be the most important question.</p>
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		<title>By: John Schell</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799440</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Business case?</description>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799423</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@37 (and possible other)

While to some extent I agree - and not a very large extent - you need to think in terms of the modern world and modern economy. We may still be somewhat segmented in economic clusters (or markets)  but the clusters are closing on each other and overlapping. The borderlines of markets have been blurry for a very long time. Therefore, you really need to consider an international strategy rather than just a local one.

10 years ago I was pitching an idea to VCs that included an international strategy. Their point of contention was that you first needed to prove it in the US and then, expand internationally. The bottom line is that either they did not get it, or most likely, I did not explain it well and clearly. It is not about executing in all markets from the get go, but building the possibility of easy execution in multiple economic clusters. And once you get going on one market and get a little traction, you can start opening other markets. 

Internationalization is easy. But I do agree that there are cultural differences that MUST be understood. But that is also not so hard either. Get the right people and it will happen easier than you expect.</description>
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<p>While to some extent I agree - and not a very large extent - you need to think in terms of the modern world and modern economy. We may still be somewhat segmented in economic clusters (or markets)  but the clusters are closing on each other and overlapping. The borderlines of markets have been blurry for a very long time. Therefore, you really need to consider an international strategy rather than just a local one.</p>
<p>10 years ago I was pitching an idea to VCs that included an international strategy. Their point of contention was that you first needed to prove it in the US and then, expand internationally. The bottom line is that either they did not get it, or most likely, I did not explain it well and clearly. It is not about executing in all markets from the get go, but building the possibility of easy execution in multiple economic clusters. And once you get going on one market and get a little traction, you can start opening other markets. </p>
<p>Internationalization is easy. But I do agree that there are cultural differences that MUST be understood. But that is also not so hard either. Get the right people and it will happen easier than you expect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Templeton</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799407</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Templeton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. only represents ~20% of worldwide Internet users, and this percentage is constantly decreasing.  Any company that only launches a U.S./English-centric service is obviously at risk for losing out on the other 80%, either due to not adequately serving them or having local competitors crop up.  Given Geni had launched first and plenty of funding, they can only blame themselves for getting their butt kicked in Europe by Verwandt.  Or maybe they only want to be a U.S.-centric company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. only represents ~20% of worldwide Internet users, and this percentage is constantly decreasing.  Any company that only launches a U.S./English-centric service is obviously at risk for losing out on the other 80%, either due to not adequately serving them or having local competitors crop up.  Given Geni had launched first and plenty of funding, they can only blame themselves for getting their butt kicked in Europe by Verwandt.  Or maybe they only want to be a U.S.-centric company.</p>
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		<title>By: UberInvestor.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799384</link>
		<dc:creator>UberInvestor.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"five million profiles in the first five months after launch." - Did they buy profiles from somewhere?  Because its hard to believe that you can have 5 million profiles in 5 months. (seems like an exaggeration)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;five million profiles in the first five months after launch.&#8221; - Did they buy profiles from somewhere?  Because its hard to believe that you can have 5 million profiles in 5 months. (seems like an exaggeration)</p>
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		<title>By: Antje Wilsch</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799360</link>
		<dc:creator>Antje Wilsch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seb - all the companies in this area do that including the big players like Ancestry. It's the media who erroneously picks up that a profile = a user. Most average people would just think they had 5m users, not 100K users and 490,000,000 profiles of dead people :) I think Geni is brilliant but another commentor above is right, how can you go after 2, 5, 10 different markets well as a start-up? Just putting a site in another language is not going to make it a success. There is translation (not always easy), nuances of culture, interface differences, THEN add on the entire marketing to a different country etc. spectrum and it can quickly eat up all resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seb - all the companies in this area do that including the big players like Ancestry. It&#8217;s the media who erroneously picks up that a profile = a user. Most average people would just think they had 5m users, not 100K users and 490,000,000 profiles of dead people <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I think Geni is brilliant but another commentor above is right, how can you go after 2, 5, 10 different markets well as a start-up? Just putting a site in another language is not going to make it a success. There is translation (not always easy), nuances of culture, interface differences, THEN add on the entire marketing to a different country etc. spectrum and it can quickly eat up all resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799352</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloning profitable ideas isn't just on the net.  Just look at American Idol, The Bachelor, and other reality-based TV shows.  It's all about supply and demand.  If one show can't grab the whole market, there will definitely be other to pick up the slack.  

Do I think that copying another's idea VERBATIM is sick, wrong, greedy, immoral, dishonest? Maybe.  But overall, we're better off for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloning profitable ideas isn&#8217;t just on the net.  Just look at American Idol, The Bachelor, and other reality-based TV shows.  It&#8217;s all about supply and demand.  If one show can&#8217;t grab the whole market, there will definitely be other to pick up the slack.  </p>
<p>Do I think that copying another&#8217;s idea VERBATIM is sick, wrong, greedy, immoral, dishonest? Maybe.  But overall, we&#8217;re better off for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tech Adviser</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799349</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech Adviser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acquisition or mrger seems the natural route here.

This would certainly cement the competitive advantage for the global platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acquisition or mrger seems the natural route here.</p>
<p>This would certainly cement the competitive advantage for the global platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Sven Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799280</link>
		<dc:creator>Sven Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

Full disclosure at start: I am the co-founder of verwandt.de. 

Sorry to people currently trying to sign up: Due to our "normal" growth AND being on Techcrunch we are currently experiencing some performance issues. We are aware of these and will fix them shortly!

To address some comment:

* To our best knowledge we are using the same metrics as Geni.com. So we do believe that one can compare the growth rates!

* It is well-known that we did some offshoring at start. However, given our growth rates and the resulting need to scale we have redone the whole platform since then.

* We are very happy with our reach and user base in Germany. But there is certainly room to grow left

Best, Sven
(http://www.itsourtree.com/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>Full disclosure at start: I am the co-founder of verwandt.de. </p>
<p>Sorry to people currently trying to sign up: Due to our &#8220;normal&#8221; growth AND being on Techcrunch we are currently experiencing some performance issues. We are aware of these and will fix them shortly!</p>
<p>To address some comment:</p>
<p>* To our best knowledge we are using the same metrics as Geni.com. So we do believe that one can compare the growth rates!</p>
<p>* It is well-known that we did some offshoring at start. However, given our growth rates and the resulting need to scale we have redone the whole platform since then.</p>
<p>* We are very happy with our reach and user base in Germany. But there is certainly room to grow left</p>
<p>Best, Sven<br />
(http://www.itsourtree.com/)</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Mah</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799273</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Mah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's one thing to think about international strategy from the start, but it's another thing to act on it.

It's really difficult to place a real focus overseas when you're yet to monopolize the market locally.  Which battles do you want to fight?  How do you properly prioritize?

Acquisition of international companies is also an option.  Definitely not ideal, but what can you really do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s one thing to think about international strategy from the start, but it&#8217;s another thing to act on it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really difficult to place a real focus overseas when you&#8217;re yet to monopolize the market locally.  Which battles do you want to fight?  How do you properly prioritize?</p>
<p>Acquisition of international companies is also an option.  Definitely not ideal, but what can you really do?</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/28/geni-clone-growing-faster-than-geni/#comment-1799266</link>
		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 15:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, verwandt.de counts every "entry" as a "profile". So the counts are by far not comparable.

With friendly remarks from Germany,

Sebastian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, verwandt.de counts every &#8220;entry&#8221; as a &#8220;profile&#8221;. So the counts are by far not comparable.</p>
<p>With friendly remarks from Germany,</p>
<p>Sebastian</p>
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