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	<title>Comments on: 23andme: Evil Or The Way Of The Future?</title>
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		<title>By: Fermin June Alegro III</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-2902072</link>
		<dc:creator>Fermin June Alegro III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 10:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This would be a good thing if it was for medical and health purposes only.  To aid us in getting a better life not to judge us on what we can or cannot do due to genetics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This would be a good thing if it was for medical and health purposes only.  To aid us in getting a better life not to judge us on what we can or cannot do due to genetics.</p>
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		<title>By: Wuensch-Media.de</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1913823</link>
		<dc:creator>Wuensch-Media.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Umfrage: Search Engine Optimist oder Search Engine Pessimist? :-)...&lt;/strong&gt;

yigg_url=&#039;&#039;;Welche Position nehmt ihr ein? &#8230;  &#8230;

Interessante Links hierzu:
Googlewatchblock: Die Macht einer Suchmaschine
Hermann Maurer - Google, Freund oder Feind?
Peter Fleischer, Google&#8217;s Global Privacy Counsel: Protecting Priv...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Umfrage: Search Engine Optimist oder Search Engine Pessimist? <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;</strong></p>
<p>yigg_url=&#8221;;Welche Position nehmt ihr ein? &#8230;  &#8230;</p>
<p>Interessante Links hierzu:<br />
Googlewatchblock: Die Macht einer Suchmaschine<br />
Hermann Maurer &#8211; Google, Freund oder Feind?<br />
Peter Fleischer, Google&#8217;s Global Privacy Counsel: Protecting Priv&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: der ARMIX.blog ;-) &#187; Was weiß Google über dein Erbgut?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1900184</link>
		<dc:creator>der ARMIX.blog ;-) &#187; Was weiß Google über dein Erbgut?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 14:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via GoogleWatchBlog, TechChrunch [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Somewhat Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1880264</link>
		<dc:creator>Somewhat Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;23andMe DNA Self-testing A Privacy Concern?...&lt;/strong&gt;

I think we would all rest more assured if we had a more clear picture of our health outlook. If we could better understand the makeup of our DNA we would would be more clear on what hand we have been dealt by our ancestors. 23andMe, a Silicon Valley-ba...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>23andMe DNA Self-testing A Privacy Concern?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I think we would all rest more assured if we had a more clear picture of our health outlook. If we could better understand the makeup of our DNA we would would be more clear on what hand we have been dealt by our ancestors. 23andMe, a Silicon Valley-ba&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Step 1: I Purchased A 23AndMe DNA Test teasered @ Feed UP !!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1817455</link>
		<dc:creator>Step 1: I Purchased A 23AndMe DNA Test teasered @ Feed UP !!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I bit the bullet and bought a DNA test from 23andMe&#8217;s new Personal Genome Service. This wasn&#8217;t an easy thing to do. Quite frankly I fear what may be disclosed to me after [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I bit the bullet and bought a DNA test from 23andMe&#8217;s new Personal Genome Service. This wasn&#8217;t an easy thing to do. Quite frankly I fear what may be disclosed to me after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Step 1: I Purchased A 23AndMe DNA Test</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1813975</link>
		<dc:creator>Step 1: I Purchased A 23AndMe DNA Test</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I bit the bullet and bought a DNA test from 23andMe&#8217;s new Personal Genome Service. This wasn&#8217;t an easy thing to do. Quite frankly I fear what may be disclosed to me after [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I bit the bullet and bought a DNA test from 23andMe&#8217;s new Personal Genome Service. This wasn&#8217;t an easy thing to do. Quite frankly I fear what may be disclosed to me after [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FVB &#62; Green Eggs and Spit</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1797522</link>
		<dc:creator>FVB &#62; Green Eggs and Spit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;FVB &gt; Green Eggs and Spit...&lt;/strong&gt;

&quot;Would you, could you, spit in a tube?
    I would not, could not, spit in a tube.&quot;
    - Guy Kawasaki (paraphrased)

I just finished reading Guy&#039;s summary of the 23andme Spit Party. It sounded interesting, and kinda gross, at the same time. I g...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>FVB &gt; Green Eggs and Spit&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Would you, could you, spit in a tube?<br />
    I would not, could not, spit in a tube.&#8221;<br />
    &#8211; Guy Kawasaki (paraphrased)</p>
<p>I just finished reading Guy&#8217;s summary of the 23andme Spit Party. It sounded interesting, and kinda gross, at the same time. I g&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1794591</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this service is a great boost to the whole Genetics industry as such which has been frail for quite a while now inspite of lot of hype around. Whether or not this becomes a cool business for 23andme, it surely gives the necessary thrust to the other players like Decodeme. None of the company so far has thought of bringing Genetic services to the masses. IT is a great initiative from 23andme to do somehting revolutionary, no matter what the intentions.

http://novate.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/23andme-and-the-entire-human-race/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this service is a great boost to the whole Genetics industry as such which has been frail for quite a while now inspite of lot of hype around. Whether or not this becomes a cool business for 23andme, it surely gives the necessary thrust to the other players like Decodeme. None of the company so far has thought of bringing Genetic services to the masses. IT is a great initiative from 23andme to do somehting revolutionary, no matter what the intentions.</p>
<p><a href="http://novate.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/23andme-and-the-entire-human-race/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://novate.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/23andme-and-the-entire-human-race/'>http://novate.w...ire-human-race/</a></p>
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		<title>By: the occasional blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1792334</link>
		<dc:creator>the occasional blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Personal Genome Service - Are we there yet ?...&lt;/strong&gt;

It is dubbed as a Personal Genome Service. Starting Monday, 23andMe is offering a $999 genotyping service. The company has partnered with Illumina to perform whole-genome genotyping and provide this as a service to individuals. 
The $999 price tag appe...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Personal Genome Service &#8211; Are we there yet ?&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It is dubbed as a Personal Genome Service. Starting Monday, 23andMe is offering a $999 genotyping service. The company has partnered with Illumina to perform whole-genome genotyping and provide this as a service to individuals.<br />
The $999 price tag appe&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1790823</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 07:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>everyone shows predisposition to various diseases, it is a lot more meaningful when combined with family history and environmental conditions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>everyone shows predisposition to various diseases, it is a lot more meaningful when combined with family history and environmental conditions</p>
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		<title>By: hepsi bir dizisi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1776661</link>
		<dc:creator>hepsi bir dizisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can foresee Google’s GeneAds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can foresee Google’s GeneAds</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Gunn</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1772967</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Gunn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People, DNA is not destiny.  Insurance companies already profile your risk based on a whole variety of other predictors, such as job, location, credit score, what color you car is, how many vowels are in your name, and a whole bunch of other stuff, so this isn&#039;t fundamentally different.  

Don&#039;t forget that while this may show you have an increased risk of one or two diseases, it&#039;s can also showing you a decreased risk for all the others they test for, so, if anything, it should reduce the cost of insurance.

It won&#039;t make insurance obsolete, because even if there&#039;s a marker that indicates 100% certainty of developing some disease, it remains unknown and unknowable &lt;b&gt;when&lt;/b&gt; the disease will develop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People, DNA is not destiny.  Insurance companies already profile your risk based on a whole variety of other predictors, such as job, location, credit score, what color you car is, how many vowels are in your name, and a whole bunch of other stuff, so this isn&#8217;t fundamentally different.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget that while this may show you have an increased risk of one or two diseases, it&#8217;s can also showing you a decreased risk for all the others they test for, so, if anything, it should reduce the cost of insurance.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t make insurance obsolete, because even if there&#8217;s a marker that indicates 100% certainty of developing some disease, it remains unknown and unknowable <b>when</b> the disease will develop.</p>
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		<title>By: ds</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1772817</link>
		<dc:creator>ds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DNA testing for purely Genetic Genealogy Purposes, as well as CCR5 to see if one may be protected from AIDS/HIV, is described here:

http://www.dirkschweitzer.net/DNATests.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNA testing for purely Genetic Genealogy Purposes, as well as CCR5 to see if one may be protected from AIDS/HIV, is described here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dirkschweitzer.net/DNATests.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.dirkschweitzer.net/DNATests.html'>http://www.dirk...t/DNATests.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1772705</link>
		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why do you think doctors ask for you family history? Do you refuse to answer those questions? It’s useful information for doctors and patients to know to help diagnose and prevent illnesses. This is just a (potentially) more accurate method to determine what you are susceptible to.&quot;

Several big problems with this:

1. You misunderstand the importance of family history vis-a-vis genetics. This is not an alternative to FH. You do a FH. Say you have a FH that suggests you have a high risk of inherited breast or ovarian cancer. Then, and this assumes your doc knows how to take a proper FH (or has the time), knows how to interpret it, and knows what to do with it  (and that&#039;s all a long stretch), he or she should refer you to a specialist or genetic counselor.  After further discussion, it may be suggested that  you take a genetic test and you may decide to take the test or maybe not. Taking a BRCA test in the absence of a positive FH? Well,  say it comes back and you have a mutation. What does it mean? You don&#039;t have a FH so it&#039;s meaning is probably indeterminate but your anxiety is through the roof. Lot&#039;s of fun don&#039;t you think?

2. Most genetic information is of indeterminate meaning at the moment. Take it to a doctor and it will have no practical bearing on the care he or she provides. At least that should be the case. Worse case is that they take it as seriously as you do.  

3. Even when the genetic information is relatively well understood and may have a practical implication for the type of care you should receive, most doctors don&#039;t understand it sufficiently and aren&#039;t prepared to use it appropriately. Think most primary docs can take decent FHs and refer you for BRCA test counseling when it is appropriate? Read the literature and learn otherwise. And that&#039;s a genetic test that&#039;s been a round for a while, on which there has been lots of research, and for which there are even national guidelines. 

At best this is just genetics for fun and entertainment; at worst it&#039;s a way to feed your worst anxieties and  screw up your medical care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why do you think doctors ask for you family history? Do you refuse to answer those questions? It’s useful information for doctors and patients to know to help diagnose and prevent illnesses. This is just a (potentially) more accurate method to determine what you are susceptible to.&#8221;</p>
<p>Several big problems with this:</p>
<p>1. You misunderstand the importance of family history vis-a-vis genetics. This is not an alternative to FH. You do a FH. Say you have a FH that suggests you have a high risk of inherited breast or ovarian cancer. Then, and this assumes your doc knows how to take a proper FH (or has the time), knows how to interpret it, and knows what to do with it  (and that&#8217;s all a long stretch), he or she should refer you to a specialist or genetic counselor.  After further discussion, it may be suggested that  you take a genetic test and you may decide to take the test or maybe not. Taking a BRCA test in the absence of a positive FH? Well,  say it comes back and you have a mutation. What does it mean? You don&#8217;t have a FH so it&#8217;s meaning is probably indeterminate but your anxiety is through the roof. Lot&#8217;s of fun don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>2. Most genetic information is of indeterminate meaning at the moment. Take it to a doctor and it will have no practical bearing on the care he or she provides. At least that should be the case. Worse case is that they take it as seriously as you do.  </p>
<p>3. Even when the genetic information is relatively well understood and may have a practical implication for the type of care you should receive, most doctors don&#8217;t understand it sufficiently and aren&#8217;t prepared to use it appropriately. Think most primary docs can take decent FHs and refer you for BRCA test counseling when it is appropriate? Read the literature and learn otherwise. And that&#8217;s a genetic test that&#8217;s been a round for a while, on which there has been lots of research, and for which there are even national guidelines. </p>
<p>At best this is just genetics for fun and entertainment; at worst it&#8217;s a way to feed your worst anxieties and  screw up your medical care.</p>
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		<title>By: 24/7 - Der Wochenr&#252;ckblick (KW 46/07) &#187; Allgemein &#187; sumaphil.de</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1771279</link>
		<dc:creator>24/7 - Der Wochenr&#252;ckblick (KW 46/07) &#187; Allgemein &#187; sumaphil.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#252;ber unsere eigene DNA Aufschlu&#223; &#252;ber unsere verborgenen Talente. Jedenfalls startet morgen der Genetik-Service 23andme. F&#252;r (offenbar unglaublich g&#252;nstige) 999 US-$ kann man eine Probe der eigenen DNA [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#252;ber unsere eigene DNA Aufschlu&#223; &#252;ber unsere verborgenen Talente. Jedenfalls startet morgen der Genetik-Service 23andme. F&#252;r (offenbar unglaublich g&#252;nstige) 999 US-$ kann man eine Probe der eigenen DNA [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JBL</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1770267</link>
		<dc:creator>JBL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bud, I also heard about that service, it happens to be priced at over $300,000 (yes, that&#039;s three hundred thousand dollars)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bud, I also heard about that service, it happens to be priced at over $300,000 (yes, that&#8217;s three hundred thousand dollars)</p>
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		<title>By: Bud</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1770043</link>
		<dc:creator>Bud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a company www.knome.com in that says it will sequence your entire whole-genome (instead of a chip-scan).  They don&#039;t give a price on their site though, but it&#039;s definately the &quot;Holy Grail&quot; where everyone will eventually get to... One thing I really liked about DeCodeMe&#039;s offer VS 23andMe&#039;s was the fact that DeCode said you could download your own copy of their gene chip scan. 23 seems to want to keep the databases to themselves....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a company <a href="http://www.knome.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.knome.com'>http://www.knome.com</a> in that says it will sequence your entire whole-genome (instead of a chip-scan).  They don&#8217;t give a price on their site though, but it&#8217;s definately the &#8220;Holy Grail&#8221; where everyone will eventually get to&#8230; One thing I really liked about DeCodeMe&#8217;s offer VS 23andMe&#8217;s was the fact that DeCode said you could download your own copy of their gene chip scan. 23 seems to want to keep the databases to themselves&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1769123</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 21:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human beings have been able to tell who is genetically superior for a while now.  In fact, we have evolved to do exactly that.

So I highly doubt that building a machine that does that will some how change what we do with such judgments.  There is already a hierarchy of desirability and this sort of testing will be one more way of stratifying society.  Nothing new here really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human beings have been able to tell who is genetically superior for a while now.  In fact, we have evolved to do exactly that.</p>
<p>So I highly doubt that building a machine that does that will some how change what we do with such judgments.  There is already a hierarchy of desirability and this sort of testing will be one more way of stratifying society.  Nothing new here really.</p>
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		<title>By: leslie crammer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1767782</link>
		<dc:creator>leslie crammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig Venter was interviewed on Forum on Nov 9:
http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R711091000

He talks about how a single gene may be a marker for some condition or disease, but that it takes several genes working in concert to really make someone more likely to develop a condition or disease.

He also says that environmental factors have a greater effect than genes in determining these rates.

It&#039;s nice that a genetic mapping is available to regular people (who can afford $1k) but I think we need to look at this closely and realize that if someone has the &quot;cancer&quot; gene or the &quot;high blood pressure&quot; gene, there may be many other genes in concert that we don&#039;t yet understand that will cause a higher rate of something occurring, and that where someone lives, what they do and consume, whether they exercise and whether they have a sunny disposition that will predict rates.

At the end of Forum, (-15:42s) someone called in to ask about startups like 23andme doing this kind of work, and he suggests the above issues will make it harder to control or identify effects based on a single gene.  If you knock one gene out, you don&#039;t remove the possibility of the disease, and the whole picture has to be analyzed to have any realistic chance of giving you good information. He thinks these services may only give a partial picture.  And that genetic determinism is not accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig Venter was interviewed on Forum on Nov 9:<br />
<a href="http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R711091000" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R711091000'>http://www.kqed...hive/R711091000</a></p>
<p>He talks about how a single gene may be a marker for some condition or disease, but that it takes several genes working in concert to really make someone more likely to develop a condition or disease.</p>
<p>He also says that environmental factors have a greater effect than genes in determining these rates.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice that a genetic mapping is available to regular people (who can afford $1k) but I think we need to look at this closely and realize that if someone has the &#8220;cancer&#8221; gene or the &#8220;high blood pressure&#8221; gene, there may be many other genes in concert that we don&#8217;t yet understand that will cause a higher rate of something occurring, and that where someone lives, what they do and consume, whether they exercise and whether they have a sunny disposition that will predict rates.</p>
<p>At the end of Forum, (-15:42s) someone called in to ask about startups like 23andme doing this kind of work, and he suggests the above issues will make it harder to control or identify effects based on a single gene.  If you knock one gene out, you don&#8217;t remove the possibility of the disease, and the whole picture has to be analyzed to have any realistic chance of giving you good information. He thinks these services may only give a partial picture.  And that genetic determinism is not accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: gisli haukur</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1767128</link>
		<dc:creator>gisli haukur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>www.decodeme.com lunch last week for a similar price i think.

they have been around for 7 years or someting are on the stockmarket DCCN i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.decodeme.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.decodeme.com'>http://www.decodeme.com</a> lunch last week for a similar price i think.</p>
<p>they have been around for 7 years or someting are on the stockmarket DCCN i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Radoff</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1767079</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Radoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, Gattaca. Well, we all knew this was coming. It&#039;s just (big) step in refining selective breeding and class stratification. And the industries that can pop up around it will be huge. There will be big ethics debates in government, and countries with more liberal policies will get the business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Gattaca. Well, we all knew this was coming. It&#8217;s just (big) step in refining selective breeding and class stratification. And the industries that can pop up around it will be huge. There will be big ethics debates in government, and countries with more liberal policies will get the business.</p>
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		<title>By: ogee</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1767014</link>
		<dc:creator>ogee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m sure we all want to know what diseases we might end up with in the future, and in the development of human knowledge the accessibility of 23andMe’s product is a step forward&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i do not want  to know what diseases i might end up with!!!

23andMe’s product is a step backward!!!

This is really babylon 2.0 bullshit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I’m sure we all want to know what diseases we might end up with in the future, and in the development of human knowledge the accessibility of 23andMe’s product is a step forward</p></blockquote>
<p>i do not want  to know what diseases i might end up with!!!</p>
<p>23andMe’s product is a step backward!!!</p>
<p>This is really babylon 2.0 bullshit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GeneticsIsNotAJoke</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1766977</link>
		<dc:creator>GeneticsIsNotAJoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not completely believe in the information about telling you how to live so that you can avoid certain diseases. The truth of the matter is that the exact science to predict such things DOES NOT exits and such speculations could cause a lot of panic among a person’s life. What I mean is that there is no model which exists today, and predicts that if a person has a certain variant in his genome, he/she will get the disease in the future. Even if we assume that such a thing exists, i.e. if someone, somehow is able to test and tell you if you will get a disease in the future, NOTHING much can be done about it. The reason is simple: Pharama companies are not make PRE-Symptomatic drugs, i.e. they are only making drugs for diseases when you show symptoms of those diseases and almost nothing exists for you to take a drug, when you do not have the disease but might get it in the future. I believe such services by 23andme etc are just to increase panic in the world. Having said all this, it is definately a good service to offer, not now, but 10 years or so down the line, when you know exactly how these diseases are caused in the lifetime and when what can be done about them. I hope people really understand what they are doing before opting for such a service. If you have to get a disease in the future, it is better to enjoy your days in life till you get that disease, provided it is a disease for which nothing much can be done about it at this stage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not completely believe in the information about telling you how to live so that you can avoid certain diseases. The truth of the matter is that the exact science to predict such things DOES NOT exits and such speculations could cause a lot of panic among a person’s life. What I mean is that there is no model which exists today, and predicts that if a person has a certain variant in his genome, he/she will get the disease in the future. Even if we assume that such a thing exists, i.e. if someone, somehow is able to test and tell you if you will get a disease in the future, NOTHING much can be done about it. The reason is simple: Pharama companies are not make PRE-Symptomatic drugs, i.e. they are only making drugs for diseases when you show symptoms of those diseases and almost nothing exists for you to take a drug, when you do not have the disease but might get it in the future. I believe such services by 23andme etc are just to increase panic in the world. Having said all this, it is definately a good service to offer, not now, but 10 years or so down the line, when you know exactly how these diseases are caused in the lifetime and when what can be done about them. I hope people really understand what they are doing before opting for such a service. If you have to get a disease in the future, it is better to enjoy your days in life till you get that disease, provided it is a disease for which nothing much can be done about it at this stage.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1766701</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evil?   Don&#039;t be ridiculous.  This service is not only cool, it&#039;s inevitable.  I&#039;m glad the company is obviously doing this with a spirit of scientific cooperation, low cost, and fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evil?   Don&#8217;t be ridiculous.  This service is not only cool, it&#8217;s inevitable.  I&#8217;m glad the company is obviously doing this with a spirit of scientific cooperation, low cost, and fun.</p>
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		<title>By: wonkyeye</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/17/23andme-evil-or-the-way-of-the-future/comment-page-2/#comment-1765946</link>
		<dc:creator>wonkyeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^ Fail</description>
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