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	<title>Comments on: Will the Credit Crunch Inflate the Internet Bubble?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim and Julie Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1847476</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim and Julie Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting article.
Here are a few random observations;
1) The 'Carlton Sheets' real estate type programs are being replaced with..
2) The start your own online business schemes. Want proof?

Google "start online business'

Matter of fact this 'space' is growing so fast that there are a flood of books hitting the store shelves and an equal number of 'gurus' staking their claims. 
Makes sense that people who previously were riding the real estate cash flow cow are not turning to what is next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article.<br />
Here are a few random observations;<br />
1) The &#8216;Carlton Sheets&#8217; real estate type programs are being replaced with..<br />
2) The start your own online business schemes. Want proof?</p>
<p>Google &#8220;start online business&#8217;</p>
<p>Matter of fact this &#8217;space&#8217; is growing so fast that there are a flood of books hitting the store shelves and an equal number of &#8216;gurus&#8217; staking their claims.<br />
Makes sense that people who previously were riding the real estate cash flow cow are not turning to what is next.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubble-talk in Technology! &#171; A private Blog from Michael Jung.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1827265</link>
		<dc:creator>Bubble-talk in Technology! &#171; A private Blog from Michael Jung.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for the sake of all the talks - there are people who search for investments because the industry they worked in is in a downturn. I personally think this won&#8217;t affect the industry because the holes in the sieve are already [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for the sake of all the talks - there are people who search for investments because the industry they worked in is in a downturn. I personally think this won&#8217;t affect the industry because the holes in the sieve are already [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kavak yelleri</title>
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		<dc:creator>kavak yelleri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you have to log in to see it.</description>
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		<title>By: Stanley Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1769274</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@62 "Being an enabler requires access to capital, not just good ideas."
 
Capital, like execution, is another given. Except capital is very important. You will need some skin-in-the-game, but find investment partners to share the load.  If you can't convince a non-related party to lend you cash, you're back to playing lotto. Bootstrapping is for kids.
 
@64 "kudos to the investment bankers and VC’s who had the forsight..."
  
Not foresight. They were hedged guesses. Investors think in terms of odds and thus place multiple bets. Their goal is a blended return above the market average.  When you say 'foresight' you're only taking into account the winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@62 &#8220;Being an enabler requires access to capital, not just good ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Capital, like execution, is another given. Except capital is very important. You will need some skin-in-the-game, but find investment partners to share the load.  If you can&#8217;t convince a non-related party to lend you cash, you&#8217;re back to playing lotto. Bootstrapping is for kids.</p>
<p>@64 &#8220;kudos to the investment bankers and VC’s who had the forsight&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Not foresight. They were hedged guesses. Investors think in terms of odds and thus place multiple bets. Their goal is a blended return above the market average.  When you say &#8216;foresight&#8217; you&#8217;re only taking into account the winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Boinblog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1767269</link>
		<dc:creator>Boinblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Le crack a venir menace-t-il internet...&lt;/strong&gt;

Comme beaucoup de dinosaures de l&#8217;Internet, j&#8217;ai encore des cicatrices du grand crack de 1929&#8230; heu, non, de mars 2000. Je ne suis pas si vieux.
Ce crack ma laissé de mauvais souvenirs, pas mal d&#8217;opportunités gâchées, de gros...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Le crack a venir menace-t-il internet&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Comme beaucoup de dinosaures de l&#8217;Internet, j&#8217;ai encore des cicatrices du grand crack de 1929&#8230; heu, non, de mars 2000. Je ne suis pas si vieux.<br />
Ce crack ma laissé de mauvais souvenirs, pas mal d&#8217;opportunités gâchées, de gros&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 01:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD ADVICE, but that does not go JUST for the real estate agents that probably want to start another website about real estate.  There are plenty of bad ideas being funded, and even worst investors getting involved in funding good or bad businesses only to drag them down later on!!!  

I thought that was the nature start ups.  

Nonetheless, the advice was very good, and not one that you pick up in most of the VC pannels you see around town!  

Cheers, E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD ADVICE, but that does not go JUST for the real estate agents that probably want to start another website about real estate.  There are plenty of bad ideas being funded, and even worst investors getting involved in funding good or bad businesses only to drag them down later on!!!  </p>
<p>I thought that was the nature start ups.  </p>
<p>Nonetheless, the advice was very good, and not one that you pick up in most of the VC pannels you see around town!  </p>
<p>Cheers, E</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wilkens</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764681</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wilkens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@63 No doubt they aided in the financial support of the web 2.0 successes but i think it is more of a testiment to the future of the web more than a pat on the back of investment bankers or VC's... considering funding repayment is in the 10x's initial investment by these folks but kudos to the investment bankers and VC's who had the forsight for some of the suceesses we see today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@63 No doubt they aided in the financial support of the web 2.0 successes but i think it is more of a testiment to the future of the web more than a pat on the back of investment bankers or VC&#8217;s&#8230; considering funding repayment is in the 10x&#8217;s initial investment by these folks but kudos to the investment bankers and VC&#8217;s who had the forsight for some of the suceesses we see today.</p>
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		<title>By: dweezel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764518</link>
		<dc:creator>dweezel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@61 Be nice to the investment bankers, they are the ones that helped all the web 2.0 entrepreneurs get rich. Where do you think the VCs are getting access to all of their capital?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@61 Be nice to the investment bankers, they are the ones that helped all the web 2.0 entrepreneurs get rich. Where do you think the VCs are getting access to all of their capital?</p>
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		<title>By: dweezel</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764514</link>
		<dc:creator>dweezel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@57 Being an enabler requires access to capital, not just good ideas. If you have those two things, you can do anything -- just ask Brinn and Page.

@58 How is the new real doing? Have the inflation problems of the past been kept under control?

@60 Adwords is mass marketing -- consumers are already immune to it.

@Mark I agree with you 100%. The best way to succeed in business is to treat your customers with respect, not dominance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@57 Being an enabler requires access to capital, not just good ideas. If you have those two things, you can do anything &#8212; just ask Brinn and Page.</p>
<p>@58 How is the new real doing? Have the inflation problems of the past been kept under control?</p>
<p>@60 Adwords is mass marketing &#8212; consumers are already immune to it.</p>
<p>@Mark I agree with you 100%. The best way to succeed in business is to treat your customers with respect, not dominance.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Wilkens</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764494</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Wilkens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it profoundly intrigueing with looming economic hardships on the horizon that these individuals who ultimately should share some responsibility for the credit melt-down are now keenly focused on the internet as some sort of saving grace. Ultimately they will dive into the internet arena with high expsectations and tight budgets which will prove to be there greatest mistake to date. The leveraging power of the internet has been common knowledge from the beginning of the bubble (essentially creating the bubble) and then after that bubble burst it was boiled down to user penetration and technology speed. The same knowledge/forsight that drove the bubble to begin with never disappeared but instead sat dormant while penetration and technology advanced as well as complexity of the architecture in which the internet has currently evolved into. Without expertise in all aspects of the current vast playing field which is the internet these companies throwing out online intiatives will fall flat just as those bad martgages fell flat. Until these corporations/larger companies allocate responsibilities to individuals who have grown up with the internet and understand its unique value proposition we will continue to spin the wheels of bad online intiatives. Though no worries! As the internet quickly becomes an essential way of life as many understand who have grown up with it, and as those individuals start to climb the ranks within these companies, budgets will be allocated accordingly and more intrigueing and value driven online intiatives will be undertaken and utilized. Bad intiaitives are inevitable with ignorance still prominent regarding the internet. The web is the fastest growing market within the U.S., obviously the business community will react accordingly to the shift, but people lets not forget the greatest leaveraging aspect of the internet...its globalisms greatest allie so position yourselves accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it profoundly intrigueing with looming economic hardships on the horizon that these individuals who ultimately should share some responsibility for the credit melt-down are now keenly focused on the internet as some sort of saving grace. Ultimately they will dive into the internet arena with high expsectations and tight budgets which will prove to be there greatest mistake to date. The leveraging power of the internet has been common knowledge from the beginning of the bubble (essentially creating the bubble) and then after that bubble burst it was boiled down to user penetration and technology speed. The same knowledge/forsight that drove the bubble to begin with never disappeared but instead sat dormant while penetration and technology advanced as well as complexity of the architecture in which the internet has currently evolved into. Without expertise in all aspects of the current vast playing field which is the internet these companies throwing out online intiatives will fall flat just as those bad martgages fell flat. Until these corporations/larger companies allocate responsibilities to individuals who have grown up with the internet and understand its unique value proposition we will continue to spin the wheels of bad online intiatives. Though no worries! As the internet quickly becomes an essential way of life as many understand who have grown up with it, and as those individuals start to climb the ranks within these companies, budgets will be allocated accordingly and more intrigueing and value driven online intiatives will be undertaken and utilized. Bad intiaitives are inevitable with ignorance still prominent regarding the internet. The web is the fastest growing market within the U.S., obviously the business community will react accordingly to the shift, but people lets not forget the greatest leaveraging aspect of the internet&#8230;its globalisms greatest allie so position yourselves accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: nick of cebu</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764350</link>
		<dc:creator>nick of cebu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just means mo' money for Adwords. Also a slight bump on the personal bankruptcies graph for 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just means mo&#8217; money for Adwords. Also a slight bump on the personal bankruptcies graph for 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Linhares</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764202</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Linhares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and for those who think that tech skills are unnecessary, I´d love to be able to talk to Chinese people in my cell while I speak English and they speak Chinese on the other side.  Could you please point me out where to get that?  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for those who think that tech skills are unnecessary, I´d love to be able to talk to Chinese people in my cell while I speak English and they speak Chinese on the other side.  Could you please point me out where to get that?  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Linhares</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764196</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Linhares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, good post.  I was in the PhD Thesis Committee of this guy the other day... he had studied "entrepreneurs" who had failed in the city of São Paulo.  He had tons of data; and nothing seemed able to predict failure... until one graph shows up at a random page.  

People starting a company by necessity or wanting to be their own boss--&#62;skyrocketing failure rates here;

People starting a company because they were unsatisfied with some service or thought they had a better idea on how to provide it--&#62;failure rates dramatically dropped.

It`s a good rule of thumb is to classify people into these groups.  The first group has aspirations and dreams and maybe even a lot of energy to work and prepare and study.  

But the second group has an unexplored business space AND a surprise way to approach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, good post.  I was in the PhD Thesis Committee of this guy the other day&#8230; he had studied &#8220;entrepreneurs&#8221; who had failed in the city of São Paulo.  He had tons of data; and nothing seemed able to predict failure&#8230; until one graph shows up at a random page.  </p>
<p>People starting a company by necessity or wanting to be their own boss&#8211;&gt;skyrocketing failure rates here;</p>
<p>People starting a company because they were unsatisfied with some service or thought they had a better idea on how to provide it&#8211;&gt;failure rates dramatically dropped.</p>
<p>It`s a good rule of thumb is to classify people into these groups.  The first group has aspirations and dreams and maybe even a lot of energy to work and prepare and study.  </p>
<p>But the second group has an unexplored business space AND a surprise way to approach it.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764086</link>
		<dc:creator>Stanley Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@53 With all due respect, 43's five step process is over-simplified and naive. 50's should come as common sense. 50 identified the best types of business models - the enablers.  

If you want to start a company be an enabler. Those are the concerns with a highest probability of success and decent returns.  Execution should be a given. It means something, but more often a little more than nothing. You can have a great idea/product, work hard, and still nobody cares. Unless your objective is to be a small business and work for minimum wage. Solo operators are artists. Same goes for inventors. Being an entrepreneur is just like having a job. There are still all of the politics and the usual gatekeepers. You can't hide from that in your startup dream.

A would be entrepreneur should view a startup or job the same.  They are both investments. What is your return?  You can improve your return overtime by gaining knowledge, domain experience, and building solid relationships. Our economy is built around jobs and relationships. If you want to control your entrepreneurial destiny get a job and use it as a launching point. Otherwise your basically playing the lotto when you should be playing single-deck blackjack and counting cards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@53 With all due respect, 43&#8217;s five step process is over-simplified and naive. 50&#8217;s should come as common sense. 50 identified the best types of business models - the enablers.  </p>
<p>If you want to start a company be an enabler. Those are the concerns with a highest probability of success and decent returns.  Execution should be a given. It means something, but more often a little more than nothing. You can have a great idea/product, work hard, and still nobody cares. Unless your objective is to be a small business and work for minimum wage. Solo operators are artists. Same goes for inventors. Being an entrepreneur is just like having a job. There are still all of the politics and the usual gatekeepers. You can&#8217;t hide from that in your startup dream.</p>
<p>A would be entrepreneur should view a startup or job the same.  They are both investments. What is your return?  You can improve your return overtime by gaining knowledge, domain experience, and building solid relationships. Our economy is built around jobs and relationships. If you want to control your entrepreneurial destiny get a job and use it as a launching point. Otherwise your basically playing the lotto when you should be playing single-deck blackjack and counting cards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Hendrickson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764069</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Hendrickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 - Regardless of whether I have the "credentials" to give advice on entrepreneurship, does my advice really strike you as that misguided? It seems like pretty basic stuff to me. I point it out nevertheless because in my (albeit limited - I do realize I'm young) experience with tech entrepreneurs coming in from other industries, I have found that these fundamental concerns are overlooked. I'm sorry you feel that my opinion is shallow but I certainly didn't run this piece to promote PartnerUp. And I didn't link to the survey results because they haven't been published online yet, but I will ask PartnerUp for permission to post the results here in the comments.

#48 - Andrew: That's an interesting point, and it highlights something I should have been clearer about: the survey asked the respondents in which industries they were likely to start a business, so by tech-related I don't mean just something that might incorporate a website. The data unfortunately does not show any growth rates - it was a one time deal. As I said above, I'll inquire into whether I can publish the raw data so you can check it out, too.

#49 - bootstrap: I really didn't mean to make any distinction between a banker and investment banker; as far as my point is concerned, they're both the same (i.e. not yet part of the tech community). And I'm sorry that this post sounded harsh - it wasn't meant to, but I realize how can come across that way. I have no problem with people becoming tech entrepreneurs if they properly assess the effort it will take to educate themselves, find the right idea, and build the right team. I just worry for those that make the leap because they think it's easy to create a successful internet company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47 - Regardless of whether I have the &#8220;credentials&#8221; to give advice on entrepreneurship, does my advice really strike you as that misguided? It seems like pretty basic stuff to me. I point it out nevertheless because in my (albeit limited - I do realize I&#8217;m young) experience with tech entrepreneurs coming in from other industries, I have found that these fundamental concerns are overlooked. I&#8217;m sorry you feel that my opinion is shallow but I certainly didn&#8217;t run this piece to promote PartnerUp. And I didn&#8217;t link to the survey results because they haven&#8217;t been published online yet, but I will ask PartnerUp for permission to post the results here in the comments.</p>
<p>#48 - Andrew: That&#8217;s an interesting point, and it highlights something I should have been clearer about: the survey asked the respondents in which industries they were likely to start a business, so by tech-related I don&#8217;t mean just something that might incorporate a website. The data unfortunately does not show any growth rates - it was a one time deal. As I said above, I&#8217;ll inquire into whether I can publish the raw data so you can check it out, too.</p>
<p>#49 - bootstrap: I really didn&#8217;t mean to make any distinction between a banker and investment banker; as far as my point is concerned, they&#8217;re both the same (i.e. not yet part of the tech community). And I&#8217;m sorry that this post sounded harsh - it wasn&#8217;t meant to, but I realize how can come across that way. I have no problem with people becoming tech entrepreneurs if they properly assess the effort it will take to educate themselves, find the right idea, and build the right team. I just worry for those that make the leap because they think it&#8217;s easy to create a successful internet company.</p>
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		<title>By: Webomatica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webomatica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bums me out is people should be starting tech companies because they have a cool idea or love technology. You know there's a bubble when people start putting the valuation or the money before the product the company is supposed to be selling. That's what happened during web 1.0, and during the late stages of the housing bubble people were piling in to flip houses and make money.

Those sorts of folks - I daresay they aren't going to provide much that's positive for the technology industry. Do we really want tons of casey serin types starting web companies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bums me out is people should be starting tech companies because they have a cool idea or love technology. You know there&#8217;s a bubble when people start putting the valuation or the money before the product the company is supposed to be selling. That&#8217;s what happened during web 1.0, and during the late stages of the housing bubble people were piling in to flip houses and make money.</p>
<p>Those sorts of folks - I daresay they aren&#8217;t going to provide much that&#8217;s positive for the technology industry. Do we really want tons of casey serin types starting web companies?</p>
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		<title>By: micfo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764058</link>
		<dc:creator>micfo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure but the partnerup site seems not open for international.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure but the partnerup site seems not open for international.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1764043</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ 43 and 50 - you must be an MBA - good for you, son...

FYI, most people here are a little beyond business 101 at the local community college.

@ 51 - nice copy and paste</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 43 and 50 - you must be an MBA - good for you, son&#8230;</p>
<p>FYI, most people here are a little beyond business 101 at the local community college.</p>
<p>@ 51 - nice copy and paste</p>
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		<title>By: nemrut</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763927</link>
		<dc:creator>nemrut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...more than 50% may 'say' they plan on hittig it out on their own, but how many of them can actually 'afford' to take the risk? Presumeably, these same folks have slaved away at the comfortable 9-5 deskjobs for how long, with mortgages, car payments, etc. 

Given the precarious state of our economy(ie, credit fiasco, housing collapse, dollar plummeting) why would they take the risk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;more than 50% may &#8217;say&#8217; they plan on hittig it out on their own, but how many of them can actually &#8216;afford&#8217; to take the risk? Presumeably, these same folks have slaved away at the comfortable 9-5 deskjobs for how long, with mortgages, car payments, etc. </p>
<p>Given the precarious state of our economy(ie, credit fiasco, housing collapse, dollar plummeting) why would they take the risk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the bootstrap economist</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763911</link>
		<dc:creator>the bootstrap economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, here are some thoughts about how the "exclusive" niche community model being used on the web, has already been done for years in other market segments.

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According to an industry report on Computer Systems Design and Related Services in the US; otherwise known as IT Consulting, 65% of revenues are derived from the business sector. This is further broken down to the banking, finance, and insurance industries comprising 40% of revenues. These traditional businesses are employing outside consultants to build software solutions to fill industry specific and cross industry needs.

Fortunately for opportunistic entrepreneurs, IT Consulting has a low barrier to entry with approximately 84% of the companies operating as “micro entities”; or companies with fewer than 10 employees. This business model allows for an efficient company with low overhead, and infinite scalability for any project. What sets one company apart from another are three things; the ability to identify customers’ needs, pricing your services competitively, and quickly scaling your workforce to complete the project.

I have already encountered one company which uses a similar business model to fill a niche market in the banking industry. Beth Hamlin; one of the instructors from my credit training, is the Executive Vice President of Caliber Commercial Corporation, which provides credit analysis and training services to commercial lending institutions. This service fills a position banks need, while eliminating the expense of hiring and training internal personnel.

With a slice of creativity, the possibilities of partnering with coworkers are endless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, here are some thoughts about how the &#8220;exclusive&#8221; niche community model being used on the web, has already been done for years in other market segments.</p>
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<p>According to an industry report on Computer Systems Design and Related Services in the US; otherwise known as IT Consulting, 65% of revenues are derived from the business sector. This is further broken down to the banking, finance, and insurance industries comprising 40% of revenues. These traditional businesses are employing outside consultants to build software solutions to fill industry specific and cross industry needs.</p>
<p>Fortunately for opportunistic entrepreneurs, IT Consulting has a low barrier to entry with approximately 84% of the companies operating as “micro entities”; or companies with fewer than 10 employees. This business model allows for an efficient company with low overhead, and infinite scalability for any project. What sets one company apart from another are three things; the ability to identify customers’ needs, pricing your services competitively, and quickly scaling your workforce to complete the project.</p>
<p>I have already encountered one company which uses a similar business model to fill a niche market in the banking industry. Beth Hamlin; one of the instructors from my credit training, is the Executive Vice President of Caliber Commercial Corporation, which provides credit analysis and training services to commercial lending institutions. This service fills a position banks need, while eliminating the expense of hiring and training internal personnel.</p>
<p>With a slice of creativity, the possibilities of partnering with coworkers are endless.</p>
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		<title>By: Startup News</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763898</link>
		<dc:creator>Startup News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The volume of new entrepreneurs is not a problem for everyone . It will be good for some businesses like hosting companies, web developement companies, Pr firms etc ...   People will have to spend money to get their businesses started .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The volume of new entrepreneurs is not a problem for everyone . It will be good for some businesses like hosting companies, web developement companies, Pr firms etc &#8230;   People will have to spend money to get their businesses started .</p>
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		<title>By: the bootstrap economist</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763888</link>
		<dc:creator>the bootstrap economist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a harsh post but I believe it stems from a misunderstanding of what separates a banker from an investment banker. To me, throwing a buzzword in front of the word "banker" is the same as throwing a buzzword in front of the word "network". We are not looking to take an equity stake in your company and nickel and dime it to the ground, but provide you with differentiated services that will help you plan for future growth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a harsh post but I believe it stems from a misunderstanding of what separates a banker from an investment banker. To me, throwing a buzzword in front of the word &#8220;banker&#8221; is the same as throwing a buzzword in front of the word &#8220;network&#8221;. We are not looking to take an equity stake in your company and nickel and dime it to the ground, but provide you with differentiated services that will help you plan for future growth.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Fife</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763861</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Fife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:
For me this article is flawed because I think the survey was misinterpreted by a fairly wide margin.  It seems to me that real estate professionals interested in starting new companies are most likely to start their own real estate practice, which in my own subjective observations, is very common and "something tech-related ('Internet/Web/IT/Technology')" could easily mean a website for their new practice.  I bet these numbers are also true of lawyers, insurance agents and any other services industry where startup costs are low.  However, the conclusion that real estate agents are thinking about founding high tech startups would be more believable to me if the survey showed growth in the rate of folks who had actually started working on their new businesses.     

But then again, maybe I'm misreading your interpretations of the survey.  Could you link to the survey so readers like myself can take a deeper dive on the results?

thanks,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:<br />
For me this article is flawed because I think the survey was misinterpreted by a fairly wide margin.  It seems to me that real estate professionals interested in starting new companies are most likely to start their own real estate practice, which in my own subjective observations, is very common and &#8220;something tech-related (&#8217;Internet/Web/IT/Technology&#8217;)&#8221; could easily mean a website for their new practice.  I bet these numbers are also true of lawyers, insurance agents and any other services industry where startup costs are low.  However, the conclusion that real estate agents are thinking about founding high tech startups would be more believable to me if the survey showed growth in the rate of folks who had actually started working on their new businesses.     </p>
<p>But then again, maybe I&#8217;m misreading your interpretations of the survey.  Could you link to the survey so readers like myself can take a deeper dive on the results?</p>
<p>thanks,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: ajf</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763839</link>
		<dc:creator>ajf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Sorry, graph == paragraph.  Faceloop, is absolutely right. You do not have the credentials to give advice on the topic of entrepreneurship.  Your response to him doesn't help your case.

Frankly, I find the the opinions of most of the contributors here to be rather shallow and more than a little suspect in terms of integrity.  Sometimes TC seems like a pay-per-post operation.  This post in particular has that feel, there seems to be no reason for it other than to promote PartnerUp.

A legitimate post on the survey would start by linking to...well, the survey.  Some examination of the sample and the motives of the sponsor would also be in order.  At that point, I'm quite sure, a competent analyst would stop and find something else to write about.  However, let us pretend that there is some valuable data here and examine your analysis.  Essentially, you think realtors and bankers make for poor tech entrepreneurs. Fine.  But, you don't make a logical case for your thesis.  That's the real problem.  Instead of making your case, you go on to give advice to entrepreneurs that you obviously pulled out of 'Startups for Dummies' or something.

Oh, and that parenthetical about marketing skills is wrong.  Whoever put that idea in your head is an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Sorry, graph == paragraph.  Faceloop, is absolutely right. You do not have the credentials to give advice on the topic of entrepreneurship.  Your response to him doesn&#8217;t help your case.</p>
<p>Frankly, I find the the opinions of most of the contributors here to be rather shallow and more than a little suspect in terms of integrity.  Sometimes TC seems like a pay-per-post operation.  This post in particular has that feel, there seems to be no reason for it other than to promote PartnerUp.</p>
<p>A legitimate post on the survey would start by linking to&#8230;well, the survey.  Some examination of the sample and the motives of the sponsor would also be in order.  At that point, I&#8217;m quite sure, a competent analyst would stop and find something else to write about.  However, let us pretend that there is some valuable data here and examine your analysis.  Essentially, you think realtors and bankers make for poor tech entrepreneurs. Fine.  But, you don&#8217;t make a logical case for your thesis.  That&#8217;s the real problem.  Instead of making your case, you go on to give advice to entrepreneurs that you obviously pulled out of &#8216;Startups for Dummies&#8217; or something.</p>
<p>Oh, and that parenthetical about marketing skills is wrong.  Whoever put that idea in your head is an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: mmt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/16/will-the-credit-crunch-inflate-the-internet-bubble/#comment-1763796</link>
		<dc:creator>mmt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  In 2001 everyone was running from tech and going into real estate.  That lasted until - last year.  Now it will reverse for a bit, until the next big thing comes along.  To me, there's nothing wrong with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  In 2001 everyone was running from tech and going into real estate.  That lasted until - last year.  Now it will reverse for a bit, until the next big thing comes along.  To me, there&#8217;s nothing wrong with this.</p>
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