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	<title>Comments on: Entrepreneur 2.0</title>
	<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/</link>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 08:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Glenn Kelmann Is Speaking at Bloodhound Blog Unchained Social Media Marketing Conference Brought to You By Zillow.com &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-2287491</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Kelmann Is Speaking at Bloodhound Blog Unchained Social Media Marketing Conference Brought to You By Zillow.com &#124; BloodhoundBlog: Real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgages, lending, investments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 17:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-2287491</guid>
		<description>[...] Kelmann is coming to Phoenix. Mind you, he has every reason not to come, now. This accomplished young man could be in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, Boston, or our [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Kelmann is coming to Phoenix. Mind you, he has every reason not to come, now. This accomplished young man could be in Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Orange County, San Diego, Boston, or our [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Are You Experienced? &#124; The Shared Success Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1951366</link>
		<dc:creator>Are You Experienced? &#124; The Shared Success Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1951366</guid>
		<description>[...] Glenn Kelman and Guy Kawasaki have each contributed excellent posts regarding the myth of the experienced entrepreneur. Both of these posts are worth reading. Would you have felt better about investing in Apple, Google or Microsoft if Jobs, Brin, Page and Gates had a proven track record? It doesn&#8217;t take experience to have a dream and it doesn&#8217;t take experience to have an itch strong enough to do something about it. Shared Success is about sharing experience, knowledge and resources so that no one has to put a dream on hold. The community&#8217;s collective experience trumps any one individual&#8217;s. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Glenn Kelman and Guy Kawasaki have each contributed excellent posts regarding the myth of the experienced entrepreneur. Both of these posts are worth reading. Would you have felt better about investing in Apple, Google or Microsoft if Jobs, Brin, Page and Gates had a proven track record? It doesn&#8217;t take experience to have a dream and it doesn&#8217;t take experience to have an itch strong enough to do something about it. Shared Success is about sharing experience, knowledge and resources so that no one has to put a dream on hold. The community&#8217;s collective experience trumps any one individual&#8217;s. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: One hit wonder &#171; Rowan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1904309</link>
		<dc:creator>One hit wonder &#171; Rowan Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1904309</guid>
		<description>[...] Entrepreneur 2.0 &#8220;[We] insist on believing in the serial entrepreneur with the Midas Touch. We make celebrities of our entrepreneurs because we’d rather believe in talent than luck. And we tend to overlook reasons why second-time entrepreneurs are actually worse, not better, for their experience. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Entrepreneur 2.0 &#8220;[We] insist on believing in the serial entrepreneur with the Midas Touch. We make celebrities of our entrepreneurs because we’d rather believe in talent than luck. And we tend to overlook reasons why second-time entrepreneurs are actually worse, not better, for their experience. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Как продать</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1835142</link>
		<dc:creator>Как продать</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1835142</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Предприниматель 2.0...&lt;/strong&gt;

Однако мы, тем не менее, настойчиво продолжаем верить в серийного предпринимателя, обладающего &#8220;прикосновением Мидаса&#8221;. Мы превращ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Предприниматель 2.0&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Однако мы, тем не менее, настойчиво продолжаем верить в серийного предпринимателя, обладающего &#8220;прикосновением Мидаса&#8221;. Мы превращ&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Webb</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1809655</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1809655</guid>
		<description>Good article.  I know last time I tried, I went it alone.  This time I am going to get experts to help me.  I have a great writer on board (Jeff Lewis) and an internet marketing expert (James Brausch).  I think last time my big mistake was trying to do it all myself.  This time around, I'll let experts in each field help me be successful.  -Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I know last time I tried, I went it alone.  This time I am going to get experts to help me.  I have a great writer on board (Jeff Lewis) and an internet marketing expert (James Brausch).  I think last time my big mistake was trying to do it all myself.  This time around, I&#8217;ll let experts in each field help me be successful.  -Lee</p>
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		<title>By: HeavyGod</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1794743</link>
		<dc:creator>HeavyGod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1794743</guid>
		<description>Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe :)) new useful posts from you! 
Good luck and successes in blogging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe :)) new useful posts from you!<br />
Good luck and successes in blogging!</p>
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		<title>By: Ideate - Small Business in South Africa</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1783124</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideate - Small Business in South Africa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1783124</guid>
		<description>[...] I got pointed in the direction of this article: www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I got pointed in the direction of this article: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007.....reneur-20/</a> [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: ARDELL</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1781237</link>
		<dc:creator>ARDELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1781237</guid>
		<description>The true success of Redfin lies in the tiny ripples it has created.  At the end of the day these immeasurable benefits will be their lasting legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The true success of Redfin lies in the tiny ripples it has created.  At the end of the day these immeasurable benefits will be their lasting legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: php indir</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1776678</link>
		<dc:creator>php indir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1776678</guid>
		<description>Cmon meow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cmon meow</p>
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		<title>By: Dotcomkid</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1773750</link>
		<dc:creator>Dotcomkid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1773750</guid>
		<description>Interesting post - definitely found it be true that sometimes being opportunity rich leads you run too far with inferior ideas...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post - definitely found it be true that sometimes being opportunity rich leads you run too far with inferior ideas&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: uberinvestor.com</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1765245</link>
		<dc:creator>uberinvestor.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1765245</guid>
		<description>It really depends on your drive.  Some folks are sccessful at their first startup because of the hype (for example what happened during the dot com boom) but they are never able to pull it off.  Take example of the guy who started Hotmail (which had no reasonable revenue or profitability).  He has mvoed back to India now and has become a real estate developer because his other starups were not successful.  Similar things have happened others.  Another category is employees from big companies.  They usually are so self absorbed with being party of a big company that when they get into a startup they fail to separate themselves from their past performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really depends on your drive.  Some folks are sccessful at their first startup because of the hype (for example what happened during the dot com boom) but they are never able to pull it off.  Take example of the guy who started Hotmail (which had no reasonable revenue or profitability).  He has mvoed back to India now and has become a real estate developer because his other starups were not successful.  Similar things have happened others.  Another category is employees from big companies.  They usually are so self absorbed with being party of a big company that when they get into a startup they fail to separate themselves from their past performance.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Dogs and YCombinator &#171; RescueTime Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1763179</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Dogs and YCombinator &#171; RescueTime Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1763179</guid>
		<description>[...] could easily fall into the trap of believing we&#8217;re actually GOOD at it. Glenn Kelman&#8217;s guest post at TechCrunch couldn&#8217;t say it better&#8211; most startups fail. Most entrepreneurs fail. As it turns out, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] could easily fall into the trap of believing we&#8217;re actually GOOD at it. Glenn Kelman&#8217;s guest post at TechCrunch couldn&#8217;t say it better&#8211; most startups fail. Most entrepreneurs fail. As it turns out, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Louis-Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1763177</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis-Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1763177</guid>
		<description>#6: "the first Canadian search engine ever"

ROFL; you are kidding, right ? Did you miss Mamma, Toile, or that unknown little upstart, Google.ca ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6: &#8220;the first Canadian search engine ever&#8221;</p>
<p>ROFL; you are kidding, right ? Did you miss Mamma, Toile, or that unknown little upstart, Google.ca ?</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1762141</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1762141</guid>
		<description>First time around, you have to be lucky two ways - lucky that the market likes your idea and lucky that your amateur execution doesn't torpedo it.

Second time around, your execution will be way better.  You still face the long odds on the idea.

82% to 70% sounds about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time around, you have to be lucky two ways - lucky that the market likes your idea and lucky that your amateur execution doesn&#8217;t torpedo it.</p>
<p>Second time around, your execution will be way better.  You still face the long odds on the idea.</p>
<p>82% to 70% sounds about right.</p>
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		<title>By: Cereal Entrepreneur</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761828</link>
		<dc:creator>Cereal Entrepreneur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761828</guid>
		<description>Cmon meow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cmon meow</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Gudema</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761612</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Gudema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761612</guid>
		<description>I think that a generalization can't be made here, since every case is different based on different people.  Some people hit it once, and do it again, while some lose it all the second time around or fail miserably.  Though I will give you some of my own thoughts, which are of course generalizations.  From what I have seen, early success and belief that one has actually believe they have a winning formula, can be the reason that the second time around is so difficult.  Then there are people who failed the first, second, third, to tenth time and hit it big.  

Let's face it, these first timers, who are really capable, are typically in the right place at the right time...  So, luck is the primary factor of first timers.  I have heard this from them in interviews over and over from successful entrepreneurs.  Like it was during the first Internet boom, the second boom or they happened to meet the right person at the right time.  This is just like any other industry.  People made it big in railroads, oil, cars, HagenDaz, etc., etc, especially during these industries growth phases.  Just look at the Microsoft deal with IBM.  Think that brilliance was at work.  They basically bought DOS from a guy who made it for fun.

So, let's eliminate the first success factor and decide that fate does have something to do with it.  Win the lottery second time around.  It does happen, but lightning rarely strikes the second spot twice.  Second time around requires more brains and money, because you are not getting lucky this time around buddy.  You are going to have to work for it, like every other struggling entrepreneur.

Youth does have something to do with it, especially in services that mostly sell to, you got it, to youth markets.  That is what these Internet booms are all about, servicing youth markets.  As the volumes of young Internet users move into their 30s, 40s and 50s, you will see this industry age a bit.    

If you are trying to evaluate entrepreneurship with measurements and valuations on first, second, third attempts you might as well be playing craps.  The most important thing is they do attempt again and stay away from a real job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that a generalization can&#8217;t be made here, since every case is different based on different people.  Some people hit it once, and do it again, while some lose it all the second time around or fail miserably.  Though I will give you some of my own thoughts, which are of course generalizations.  From what I have seen, early success and belief that one has actually believe they have a winning formula, can be the reason that the second time around is so difficult.  Then there are people who failed the first, second, third, to tenth time and hit it big.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, these first timers, who are really capable, are typically in the right place at the right time&#8230;  So, luck is the primary factor of first timers.  I have heard this from them in interviews over and over from successful entrepreneurs.  Like it was during the first Internet boom, the second boom or they happened to meet the right person at the right time.  This is just like any other industry.  People made it big in railroads, oil, cars, HagenDaz, etc., etc, especially during these industries growth phases.  Just look at the Microsoft deal with IBM.  Think that brilliance was at work.  They basically bought DOS from a guy who made it for fun.</p>
<p>So, let&#8217;s eliminate the first success factor and decide that fate does have something to do with it.  Win the lottery second time around.  It does happen, but lightning rarely strikes the second spot twice.  Second time around requires more brains and money, because you are not getting lucky this time around buddy.  You are going to have to work for it, like every other struggling entrepreneur.</p>
<p>Youth does have something to do with it, especially in services that mostly sell to, you got it, to youth markets.  That is what these Internet booms are all about, servicing youth markets.  As the volumes of young Internet users move into their 30s, 40s and 50s, you will see this industry age a bit.    </p>
<p>If you are trying to evaluate entrepreneurship with measurements and valuations on first, second, third attempts you might as well be playing craps.  The most important thing is they do attempt again and stay away from a real job.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose d</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761555</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761555</guid>
		<description>I liked the post, as it rings very true to me. Newbies are going to have a harder time than those with past experience – that happens in every industry.

And I agree that it can stymie innovation. Look at the movie industry. You've got "bankable stars" putting out crap and there are tons of filmmakers and actors who can't get a job. Did anyone see "Bee Movie?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the post, as it rings very true to me. Newbies are going to have a harder time than those with past experience – that happens in every industry.</p>
<p>And I agree that it can stymie innovation. Look at the movie industry. You&#8217;ve got &#8220;bankable stars&#8221; putting out crap and there are tons of filmmakers and actors who can&#8217;t get a job. Did anyone see &#8220;Bee Movie?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maria C.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761471</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761471</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the post.  I really liked the approach you took to the serial entrepreneur storyline.  While repeating the mistakes of the past can sink you the second time around, I think the key is being self aware and realizing that you have both strengths and weaknesses like anyone else.  

Contrary to the post on taking money earlier, I actually think a lot of second timers are doing exactly what you say at the end of your post - self funding through the first phase in order to keep control.  That way, they avoid massive dilution and can get better terms.

Our founder posted some interesting comments about your post (he is a second time entrepreneur as well) on our blog. 

Maria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post.  I really liked the approach you took to the serial entrepreneur storyline.  While repeating the mistakes of the past can sink you the second time around, I think the key is being self aware and realizing that you have both strengths and weaknesses like anyone else.  </p>
<p>Contrary to the post on taking money earlier, I actually think a lot of second timers are doing exactly what you say at the end of your post - self funding through the first phase in order to keep control.  That way, they avoid massive dilution and can get better terms.</p>
<p>Our founder posted some interesting comments about your post (he is a second time entrepreneur as well) on our blog. </p>
<p>Maria</p>
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		<title>By: befreenistan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761468</link>
		<dc:creator>befreenistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761468</guid>
		<description>The 2nd time around, a successful founder or CEO is able to avoid all risk when doing a start-up. In fact, if you raise money early, you get money FROM the company as salary from Day 1. Founders and CEOs pay for not assuming risk on the exit. I'm sure that Glenn Kelman has received more in salary from Redfin to date than he has put in...how big a score can you make when you structure things this way.  

Amazon - Jeff Bezos, 13 years after starting AMZN owns 100 million shares or about 25% of the shares today. After umpteen offerings. He had 49% at or maybe even after the IPO as I recall.

Apple - Jobs got fired. The bulk of his wealth came from Pixar not Apple. Even his Apple wealth was because he sold NEXT to Apple. After he got fired in the 80s, he sold all of his Apple stock.

Dell - Michael Dell didn't raise money until he was considering going public...and Goldman Sachs convinced him to do a private placement. That's why homes is so rich.

Ebay, Google, and Yahoo! - each of the founders held on to huge enough stakes where they were able to resist the institutional imperative to sell early. As Zuckerberg is able to do. When you get too diluted, you can't.

MSFT - Gates, Allen, and Ballmer owned over 60% AFTER the IPO. MSFT's only investment prior to IPO was $1 million from David Marquadt for 5%.

ORCL - Ellison never sells shares and they never raised money in the first 5 years of existence. He is in debt like $1 billion because he never sells ORCL shares, but instead borrows against the shares to live large.

The lesson is this: DON'T GET DILUTED. You will make more on a $20 million exit than you will on a $100 exit if you avoid this. And guess what, there are a lot more buyers at $20 million than $100 million. And you can sell earlier in your company's history and get paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2nd time around, a successful founder or CEO is able to avoid all risk when doing a start-up. In fact, if you raise money early, you get money FROM the company as salary from Day 1. Founders and CEOs pay for not assuming risk on the exit. I&#8217;m sure that Glenn Kelman has received more in salary from Redfin to date than he has put in&#8230;how big a score can you make when you structure things this way.  </p>
<p>Amazon - Jeff Bezos, 13 years after starting AMZN owns 100 million shares or about 25% of the shares today. After umpteen offerings. He had 49% at or maybe even after the IPO as I recall.</p>
<p>Apple - Jobs got fired. The bulk of his wealth came from Pixar not Apple. Even his Apple wealth was because he sold NEXT to Apple. After he got fired in the 80s, he sold all of his Apple stock.</p>
<p>Dell - Michael Dell didn&#8217;t raise money until he was considering going public&#8230;and Goldman Sachs convinced him to do a private placement. That&#8217;s why homes is so rich.</p>
<p>Ebay, Google, and Yahoo! - each of the founders held on to huge enough stakes where they were able to resist the institutional imperative to sell early. As Zuckerberg is able to do. When you get too diluted, you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>MSFT - Gates, Allen, and Ballmer owned over 60% AFTER the IPO. MSFT&#8217;s only investment prior to IPO was $1 million from David Marquadt for 5%.</p>
<p>ORCL - Ellison never sells shares and they never raised money in the first 5 years of existence. He is in debt like $1 billion because he never sells ORCL shares, but instead borrows against the shares to live large.</p>
<p>The lesson is this: DON&#8217;T GET DILUTED. You will make more on a $20 million exit than you will on a $100 exit if you avoid this. And guess what, there are a lot more buyers at $20 million than $100 million. And you can sell earlier in your company&#8217;s history and get paid.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761451</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761451</guid>
		<description>"As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing you can always bet on is that people are always going to treat other people like shit."

"better the devil you know"

Even bad conversation is better than no conversation. That's a proven fact. Look at Paris Hilton. I'd rather get shred up in an article in the NYT than a glowing review in the Buckbill creek journal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing you can always bet on is that people are always going to treat other people like shit.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;better the devil you know&#8221;</p>
<p>Even bad conversation is better than no conversation. That&#8217;s a proven fact. Look at Paris Hilton. I&#8217;d rather get shred up in an article in the NYT than a glowing review in the Buckbill creek journal.</p>
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		<title>By: befreenistan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761442</link>
		<dc:creator>befreenistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761442</guid>
		<description>Here is one of the reasons why the 2nd time isn't necessarily as profitable/big as the 1st time. The 2nd time a successful entrepreneur steps up to do something, they follow a much more institutional process of getting their start-up off the ground than the first time. They raise money much earlier and easier...at the concept/napkin stage. This is dilutive. They bring in top/senior management much earlier because they expect it to be bigger, this is doubly dilutive. The more senior, the more stock. After the easy first round, the easy 2nd round is expected and finsihed...further diluting the founder, but the previously successful founder has assumed zero risk or hardship other than opportunity cost this time around. Now for the exit...strategic buyers are much more likely to buy the company of a successful founder with 2 VC rounds behind it. Boom, everybody makes quick, painless money. But the money made is so much smaller for the founder because his/her risk at each step was so hedged. Have you ever wondered why successful former CEOs/Founders even raise money? Why do 8-figure guys raise money so early and suffer dilution? I take it Glenn owns less than 8-10% of Redfin...if they sell for $200 million cash...after liquidation preferences of 2 rounds of financing and accrued dividends, the CEO might pick up $15 million if he owned 10%. Now, is it easier for a moderately wealthy CEO to finance themselves and build a company and sell it for $30-40 million owning 75% or is it easier to assume no risk, but get paid off so poorly on a whopping $200 million exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is one of the reasons why the 2nd time isn&#8217;t necessarily as profitable/big as the 1st time. The 2nd time a successful entrepreneur steps up to do something, they follow a much more institutional process of getting their start-up off the ground than the first time. They raise money much earlier and easier&#8230;at the concept/napkin stage. This is dilutive. They bring in top/senior management much earlier because they expect it to be bigger, this is doubly dilutive. The more senior, the more stock. After the easy first round, the easy 2nd round is expected and finsihed&#8230;further diluting the founder, but the previously successful founder has assumed zero risk or hardship other than opportunity cost this time around. Now for the exit&#8230;strategic buyers are much more likely to buy the company of a successful founder with 2 VC rounds behind it. Boom, everybody makes quick, painless money. But the money made is so much smaller for the founder because his/her risk at each step was so hedged. Have you ever wondered why successful former CEOs/Founders even raise money? Why do 8-figure guys raise money so early and suffer dilution? I take it Glenn owns less than 8-10% of Redfin&#8230;if they sell for $200 million cash&#8230;after liquidation preferences of 2 rounds of financing and accrued dividends, the CEO might pick up $15 million if he owned 10%. Now, is it easier for a moderately wealthy CEO to finance themselves and build a company and sell it for $30-40 million owning 75% or is it easier to assume no risk, but get paid off so poorly on a whopping $200 million exit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761434</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761434</guid>
		<description>I never cease to be amazed at how mean some people can be. 

Here you've got a guy trying to run a company taking time out of his day to try to share some potentially relevant and insightful thoughts.  And to think that there are people walking this planet who actually make insane comments like "stop writing here - get your own blog - we don't come here to hear from you".

What is wrong with this planet? As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing you can always bet on is that people are always going to treat other people like shit.

Pretty F'n sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never cease to be amazed at how mean some people can be. </p>
<p>Here you&#8217;ve got a guy trying to run a company taking time out of his day to try to share some potentially relevant and insightful thoughts.  And to think that there are people walking this planet who actually make insane comments like &#8220;stop writing here - get your own blog - we don&#8217;t come here to hear from you&#8221;.</p>
<p>What is wrong with this planet? As far as I can tell, the ONLY thing you can always bet on is that people are always going to treat other people like shit.</p>
<p>Pretty F&#8217;n sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761351</guid>
		<description>This article just made me scrap my presentation (for investor) and start over. I realized that even though I thought I had everything figured out, and the fact that I’ve done all of this before and though I can just do the same thing in fraction of the time and cost, made me realize that I should be more cautious and realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article just made me scrap my presentation (for investor) and start over. I realized that even though I thought I had everything figured out, and the fact that I’ve done all of this before and though I can just do the same thing in fraction of the time and cost, made me realize that I should be more cautious and realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Warfield</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761143</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Warfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761143</guid>
		<description>The great mistake in this thinking is summarized at the end:

But to be really great, I wonder if second-timers have to forget some of what it cost us so much to learn.

Real entrepreneurs are constantly learning.  In reality, what they're doing is getting inside the OODA loop of a major market or competitor.  It isn't about what they know at any point in time, it's their uncanny ability to see what will happen and anticipate a moving target.

More on my blog:

http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/skill-or-luck-can-serial-entrepreneurs-succeed/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great mistake in this thinking is summarized at the end:</p>
<p>But to be really great, I wonder if second-timers have to forget some of what it cost us so much to learn.</p>
<p>Real entrepreneurs are constantly learning.  In reality, what they&#8217;re doing is getting inside the OODA loop of a major market or competitor.  It isn&#8217;t about what they know at any point in time, it&#8217;s their uncanny ability to see what will happen and anticipate a moving target.</p>
<p>More on my blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2007/11/15/skill-or-luck-can-serial-entrepreneurs-succeed/" rel="nofollow">http://smoothspan.wordpress.co.....s-succeed/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris R.</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761093</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/14/entrepreneur-20/#comment-1761093</guid>
		<description>I can't bugger off right now, I'm off compunding things with my fancy pants education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t bugger off right now, I&#8217;m off compunding things with my fancy pants education.</p>
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