November 13, 2007

MT Community Solution: Blogs Meet Forums 2.0

Duncan Riley

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mt.jpgSixApart has launched a new version of the their Movable Type (MT) blogging platform, Movable Type Community Solution (MTCS) that takes blogging into the realms of forum hosting, with some nice 2.0 touches.

Other sites have reported that the new version is something akin to a Ning competitor, but this isn’t the case. I asked Six Apart’s VP Anil Dash exactly what we are looking at

MTCS is about rescuing the huge parts of the web that are still suffering under circa-1997 technologies. I call it the “Dark Web” — all these conversations that are taking place on bulletin boards, forums, and message boards, but they don’t have any of the usability or identity benefits of modern web technologies. And that’s leaving aside niceties like good URLs (for Google indexing) and tagging and rich media support. I mean, you just don’t see a forum where you can easily upload video or audio assets, for example.

MTCS generates a member profile for every user in a system, providing a profile page that shows commenting, interactions etc, but Dash says that isn’t the exciting part:

If I look at your profile, and the only conversations you’ve inspired are flame wars, it’s easy to know you’re not a valuable contributor. But to the contrary, if every comment or post you write gets marked as a favorite, then I can start to think about promoting you (using MT4’s built-in permissions system) to be an author or administrator, either on the forums or on other blogs in the system. Maybe you can even make static content pages. (Just imagine, instead of having to “pin a post” at the top of a forum to define policy, you can just *make a policy page*. So obvious, but such an improvement.)

The cross action integration is where SixApart feels that MTCS excels:

Upload a user picture for yourself, and it’s stored (and tagged) in MT4’s built-in asset management system. Vote for something as a favorite, and it shows up on the MT4 dashboard as favorite content, so other authors know it’s what the community is looking for. And best of all, administration and community participation features are separate, as they’ve always been in blogging tools — that fixes the problem forums have always had of trying to shove administration and management tools into the user-facing part of the site.

MTCS supports third party widgets (SixApart is a member of OpenSocial) and OpenID comes as standard.

Dash emphasized that MTCS is a “serious commercial product.”

It’ll likely cost a few thousand dollars to start, and the target audience is serious, large-scale communities like media companies, major brands, educational institutions, and intranet/enterprise deployments. I suspect that smaller independent sites will mostly grab a small number of free plugins that reproduce some of this functionality on a smaller scale and use that with the free version of MT if they are price-sensitive.

A demo forum running MTCS can be found here. A number of other sites, including Gothamist, BoingBoing and SeriousEats are already using some of the functionality including commenter profiles and recommendation tools.

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  1. Anil

    Duncan, thanks for taking the time to write this up. I’m really excited about anything that lets us get more people having conversations without the clutter and complexity of old-style communities. And it’s been really cool to see how these huge Movable Type sites have made such smart use of these kinds of features already.

  2. Steve Spalding

    What an interesting take and a useful sounding product to boot.

    I do wonder how likely it will be to get entrenched Forum users to switch out of their comfortable worlds for something new.

    A lot of people who have stuck with traditional Forums do so as much because they are not interested in the “Web 2.0″ revolution as they do from lack of a better alternative.

    For people who are looking for an alternative to installing an instance of PHPBB this looks great. I just wonder how many converts it is really going to get.

  3. Matt Milosavljevic

    Just out of curiosity but how does this compare to Jive Software’s Clearspace X, because the two seem similar in scope to me.

  4. Andrew

    @2 Steve thats because people on the forums have a lot of commitment to them. You have your reputation, you have your 20,000 posts, you have your friends on there. Starting fresh for what? Getting some extra images that you can use as smileys? Chat? None of these are compelling enough.

  5. Snyggast

    a migration script perhaps? vbulletin version 7 will have web2.0 features in addition to the blogging system they released two months ago. And AOL Userplane provides A V plug-ins for vbulletin, drupal, phpbb.

  6. desik

    “I do wonder how likely it will be to get entrenched Forum users to switch out of their comfortable worlds for something new.”

    You answer you own question , old style group/forum users are ‘ entrenched’ because there’s no easy way to port their content and accounts en bloc into ( more or less ) free state of the art apps like Ning.

    People dont naturally resist change, they rationally fear loss of community..

    Whats comfortable about that?

  7. superlove

    This is the Dark Web speaking.

    This is nice, but I think the price tag of “a few thousand dollars” and the lack of porting tools from existing forum software is going to be a huge drag on adoption by the long tail.

    So, We shall (still) prevail.

  8. HonestMall.com

    Thank you for your coverage of forums. I am always interested in reading new stuff about them.

  9. Forumer™

    Good post, as a forum hosting company, this is definitely something for us to look into.

  10. Dave Briggs

    Will this speed up the development - whether officially or not - of an integrated WordPress/bbPress package?

  11. micfo.com

    Good news, Just curious to see how it will look like. :)

  12. Jason

    As a longtime Movable Type developer, I get really excited when I read about the Community Solution… until I hear, “It’ll likely cost a few thousand dollars to start.”

    I’d gladly pay for some of these features, but I wonder where this price point came from? Expression Engine is one of their competitors, has all of these features and costs a couple hundred bucks. I guess this is the “enterprise business” tax.

    Bummer.

  13. Eric Atkins

    Good news for MT, but I still think Drupal is a more robust Web 2.0 solution.

  14. dweezel

    Wow, you are really going to try and convert the webforum community? Good luck! We use vBulletin almost exclusively and here’s why:

    - it works
    - it’s simple
    - it has plug-in support
    - it’s searchable
    - it has a huge user base and development community

    I am so sick of people saying that the webforums are web 1.0 or “in the dark ages”. The fact of the matter is we can take ALL the content that the web2.0 creates, bring it into our forums, and lock the doors from outsiders. The webforums people are moving to facebook, not a “social web blog forum aggregator happyfuntimes”.

  15. Josh

    I would be a millionaire if I could program. I thought of that a long time ago.

  16. -gary

    To me it looks to be designed by someone that has never used a web forum before.

    If someone would take the time to create a great base forum and integrate so called “web 2.0″ tech into, they would be a lot better off than taking a blog and hacking in a crude Facebookesque message wall and calling it an enterprise level forum.

  17. Chani

    Facebook replacing web forums.. you’re kidding right?

  18. hovommitE

    Hello
    I’ve just registered at the forum. This is my first message.
    Please don’t become angry about me.
    Thank you.

  19. fred

    What is interesting or unique about this offering? It looks pretty basic to me and includes nothing to make someone want to pay for it. What am I missing?

  20. lazysusan

    This looks and sounds a lot like Slashdot. Can someone clarify how this is different? Because Slashcode is free and this isn’t, so I assume I’m missing something. Thanks!

  21. Kevin

    Wow, this sounds like they are trying to clone Telligent’s Community Server product.

    I guess their existing enterprise MT version isn’t able to compete against all the white label social network providers, so they are trying to migrate MT away from the “just blogging” market and turn it into community software as well.

  22. Annie

    Very excited to see SixApart get in this space! We are MTE users (yes, only for blogging) and love the stuff. I second Matt Milosavljevic’s request — can you pls help us understand how this compares to Jive’s Clearspace?

  23. Hong Kong

    Will there just be a expensive commercial MTCS license or also sth like a personal license?

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