Comments on: That’s Your AIM in My GTalk http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/ Startup and Technology News Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:13:35 -0800 hourly 1 By: As IM Finally Begins To Open Up, Yahoo And Microsoft Cling To The Stone Age http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-2620703 As IM Finally Begins To Open Up, Yahoo And Microsoft Cling To The Stone Age Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:28:36 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-2620703 [...] Meebo CEO Seth Sternberg says that he has reached out to both companies, but that neither of them are willing to offer a sanctioned way to access their networks. He notes that while Meebo’s integration with MSN and Yahoo are secure, he’d prefer to use the standards established by the networks themselves. A lack of ‘official’ third party access is also likely the reason why the networks have not been integrated into Gmail Chat (AIM has). [...] [...] Meebo CEO Seth Sternberg says that he has reached out to both companies, but that neither of them are willing to offer a sanctioned way to access their networks. He notes that while Meebo’s integration with MSN and Yahoo are secure, he’d prefer to use the standards established by the networks themselves. A lack of ‘official’ third party access is also likely the reason why the networks have not been integrated into Gmail Chat (AIM has). [...]

]]> By: Jean-Marc Liotier http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1811075 Jean-Marc Liotier Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:04:01 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1811075 This is not interoperability, this is just using Google as a multi-protocol client. In short, it merely hides the problem under the rug and further legitimates the fragmentation of the instant messaging world. I expected something more ambitious from Google. This is not interoperability, this is just using Google as a multi-protocol client. In short, it merely hides the problem under the rug and further legitimates the fragmentation of the instant messaging world. I expected something more ambitious from Google.

]]> By: Carie Lewis http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1750674 Carie Lewis Mon, 12 Nov 2007 01:49:30 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1750674 Yea, IM is def. not going anywhere. I've been using it since I was in middle school, and I'm 4 years out of college. I'm a social networking junkie, but nothing beats instant messaging's... well... instant gratification. I'm just hoping that workplaces can get past the privacy issues... because I think in combination with email, it's a huge advantage. Yea, IM is def. not going anywhere. I’ve been using it since I was in middle school, and I’m 4 years out of college. I’m a social networking junkie, but nothing beats instant messaging’s… well… instant gratification. I’m just hoping that workplaces can get past the privacy issues… because I think in combination with email, it’s a huge advantage.

]]> By: Steve Ballmer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1748220 Steve Ballmer Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:48:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1748220 From my Japan trip: "Rhuggle is a bunch of boy scouts with no den-master! They are just a bunch of spoiled rich kids on a perpetual holiday, no order or discipline. They only exist in that I allow it, I find them amusing, it's like watching a house on fire or some other tragedy, you know it's repulsive but you just can't look away!" The reporters were taking in my words like Saki, they just couldn't get enough! So I decided to throw them one more bone! "I have to go now, but since I'm on Rhuggle, let me say this about this 'Android" thing they announced: It is just like the rest of Google ..ahem, I mean Rhuggle, IT ONLY EXIST ON PAPER! Don't fall for this vaporware, rumors, fake-half-baked hype that they peddle!" http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com From my Japan trip:

“Rhuggle is a bunch of boy scouts with no den-master! They are just a bunch of spoiled rich kids on a perpetual holiday, no order or discipline. They only exist in that I allow it, I find them amusing, it’s like watching a house on fire or some other tragedy, you know it’s repulsive but you just can’t look away!”

The reporters were taking in my words like Saki, they just couldn’t get enough! So I decided to throw them one more bone!

“I have to go now, but since I’m on Rhuggle, let me say this about this ‘Android” thing they announced: It is just like the rest of Google ..ahem, I mean Rhuggle, IT ONLY EXIST ON PAPER! Don’t fall for this vaporware, rumors, fake-half-baked hype that they peddle!”

http://fakestev...er.blogspot.com

]]> By: Soda Pop http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1747182 Soda Pop Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:37:51 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1747182 Adium seems to read them all fine. Now I am just waiting for Skype compatibility. Adium seems to read them all fine. Now I am just waiting for Skype compatibility.

]]> By: Moshe Maeir http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1746685 Moshe Maeir Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:41:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1746685 I use Trillian, love it! I use Trillian, love it!

]]> By: Christop Wagner http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1746056 Christop Wagner Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:34:20 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1746056 gTalk is no f'ing protcoll. Jabber is a protocoll. It's amazing what kind of "features" people "discover" in gTalk all the time.... gTalk roughly translates to: Crappy but easy to use Jabber Client. gTalk is no f’ing protcoll. Jabber is a protocoll.
It’s amazing what kind of “features” people “discover” in gTalk all the time….
gTalk roughly translates to: Crappy but easy to use Jabber Client.

]]> By: Brian Fernandes http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745923 Brian Fernandes Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:29:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745923 Here's a nice HOWTO covering the protocol transports Jesse mentioned above: http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2006-05-02-n79.html Here’s a nice HOWTO covering the protocol transports Jesse mentioned above: http://blogosco...-05-02-n79.html

]]> By: eukhost blog http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745904 eukhost blog Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:21:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745904 I don't think meebo will be able to add skype because the service offered by skype are little different which is internet-based phone calls and a chat system. -Paul I don’t think meebo will be able to add skype because the service offered by skype are little different which is internet-based phone calls and a chat system.
-Paul

]]> By: sky http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745890 sky Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:15:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745890 I would use activeIM which besides doing all the IM stuff, has a video pluggin to stream realtime video over a level 3 mobile network at over 2M. I would use activeIM which besides doing all the IM stuff, has a video pluggin
to stream realtime video over a level 3 mobile network at over 2M.

]]> By: Jukka-Pekka Keisala http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745468 Jukka-Pekka Keisala Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:20:56 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745468 I don't really understand for who Gmail is targeted. Lack of group chat in Gmail in Windows client forced us to change to Skype so we can have group meetings. This is one very important feature for companies that is completely missing. There is no extensions either like having whiteboards etc. For kids it isn't either since it is missing gadgets. I was waiting 2 years Google to put group chat on it but now we change our organization to Skype since it doesn't look like Google really focuses on Gtalk. I don’t really understand for who Gmail is targeted. Lack of group chat in Gmail in Windows client forced us to change to Skype so we can have group meetings. This is one very important feature for companies that is completely missing. There is no extensions either like having whiteboards etc.
For kids it isn’t either since it is missing gadgets.

I was waiting 2 years Google to put group chat on it but now we change our organization to Skype since it doesn’t look like Google really focuses on Gtalk.

]]> By: techguy http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745390 techguy Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:39:13 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745390 Too bad the Yahoo MSN connection is faulty at best. I've often had to login to the other system, because the connection wasn't good. It would tell me someone was there, but then would bounce the message back saying they couldn't send it. Completely frustrating and has happened way to often to be just an odd occurrence. Too bad the Yahoo MSN connection is faulty at best. I’ve often had to login to the other system, because the connection wasn’t good. It would tell me someone was there, but then would bounce the message back saying they couldn’t send it. Completely frustrating and has happened way to often to be just an odd occurrence.

]]> By: Daniel Gibbons http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745184 Daniel Gibbons Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:45:50 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745184 +1 to everyone who pointed out the Meebo error. I don't think anyone expects the TC writers to have ultra deep technical knowledge, but understanding the difference between multi-protocol support and simply being signed in to multiple IM services through a web client is basic, basic stuff. +1 to everyone who pointed out the Meebo error. I don’t think anyone expects the TC writers to have ultra deep technical knowledge, but understanding the difference between multi-protocol support and simply being signed in to multiple IM services through a web client is basic, basic stuff.

]]> By: Jason http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1745172 Jason Sat, 10 Nov 2007 05:38:32 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1745172 I vote Meebo.com. I vote Meebo.com.

]]> By: Harris http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744938 Harris Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:46:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744938 Every major IM client, including AIM, has the option to record conversations for later searchability. Every major IM client, including AIM, has the option to record conversations for later searchability.

]]> By: HonestForum.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744869 HonestForum.com Sat, 10 Nov 2007 03:22:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744869 Awesome! As somebody who does 99% of my communicating over aim, this will be an excellent way of being able to record conversations for later searchability. This is the best tech news I have heard all month. Can't wait till it rolls out. Hope you guys or somebody blogs about it when it goes live. Awesome!

As somebody who does 99% of my communicating over aim, this will be an excellent way of being able to record conversations for later searchability.

This is the best tech news I have heard all month.

Can’t wait till it rolls out. Hope you guys or somebody blogs about it when it goes live.

]]> By: Nick http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744722 Nick Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:25:28 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744722 "Of course, you can always use Meebo, which has somehow figured out how translate between AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and GTalk" Do your homework man. “Of course, you can always use Meebo, which has somehow figured out how translate between AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and GTalk”

Do your homework man.

]]> By: Bill http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744631 Bill Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:59:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744631 "Of course, you can always use Meebo, which has somehow figured out how translate between AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and GTalk" Or you can use Trillian, which figured out how to do the same (they even have a Skype plugin) over NINE YEARS AGO. “Of course, you can always use Meebo, which has somehow figured out how translate between AIM, MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, and GTalk”

Or you can use Trillian, which figured out how to do the same (they even have a Skype plugin) over NINE YEARS AGO.

]]> By: Brent http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744592 Brent Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:51:45 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744592 Ouch...that is a LOT of Spam on that screenshot. Ouch…that is a LOT of Spam on that screenshot.

]]> By: Don Wilson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744528 Don Wilson Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:28:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744528 Glad to be for the Google-AOL side :) Glad to be for the Google-AOL side :)

]]> By: exapted http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744507 exapted Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:20:05 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744507 No pretty solution, only ugly ones, mainly because of Microsoft and Yahoo. No pretty solution, only ugly ones, mainly because of Microsoft and Yahoo.

]]> By: Aadaam http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744465 Aadaam Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:02:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744465 Just some (like EFF) are figthing for freedom of information, we fight for freedom of communication. Instant Messaging services are social networks on their own, with their bidirectional, or directional relationships, contact lists as your network, and the messaging itself instead of forums. The difference of the interoperable and multi-protocol messaging is like opensocial versus FOAF/XFN (or any portable social network format). You cannot use your facebook network in myspace, for instance. Jabber/XMPP systems - GTalk, LJTalk, jabber.ru, SAPO Messenger, jabber.org, and thousands of others - are interoperable by default. A GTalk user can add a jabber.org user as a contact, and it will seamlessly work. By using a gateway, it's possible to do such with MSN/WLM, AIM, ICQ, and some smaller services like Gadu-Gadu. But most of the gateways aren't official ones, just external applications, which you have to provide your password. If AOL would enable an official XMPP gateway, a much larger userbase than Google Accounts alone could benefit from such. But by having only a multi-protocol messenger integrated into gmail, it's just a presentational feature; in fact, every gmail user would have two clients in one frontend. Just some (like EFF) are figthing for freedom of information, we fight for freedom of communication.

Instant Messaging services are social networks on their own, with their bidirectional, or directional relationships, contact lists as your network, and the messaging itself instead of forums.

The difference of the interoperable and multi-protocol messaging is like opensocial versus FOAF/XFN (or any portable social network format). You cannot use your facebook network in myspace, for instance.

Jabber/XMPP systems – GTalk, LJTalk, jabber.ru, SAPO Messenger, jabber.org, and thousands of others – are interoperable by default. A GTalk user can add a jabber.org user as a contact, and it will seamlessly work.

By using a gateway, it’s possible to do such with MSN/WLM, AIM, ICQ, and some smaller services like Gadu-Gadu. But most of the gateways aren’t official ones, just external applications, which you have to provide your password.

If AOL would enable an official XMPP gateway, a much larger userbase than Google Accounts alone could benefit from such.

But by having only a multi-protocol messenger integrated into gmail, it’s just a presentational feature; in fact, every gmail user would have two clients in one frontend.

]]> By: Jesse Farmer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744463 Jesse Farmer Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:01:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744463 This isn't really big news, is it? GTalk uses Jabber, and Jabber has the idea of "protocol transports" built in at the protocol level. Plenty of other Jabber servers support things like AIM transports, MSN transports, etc. They tend to be pretty spotty, so maybe this is more "Google has finally gotten AIM transports working to the extent they can be unleashed to the public at large." But the idea of using AIM+Jabber has existed for as long as Jabber itself. This isn’t really big news, is it? GTalk uses Jabber, and Jabber has the idea of “protocol transports” built in at the protocol level.

Plenty of other Jabber servers support things like AIM transports, MSN transports, etc.

They tend to be pretty spotty, so maybe this is more “Google has finally gotten AIM transports working to the extent they can be unleashed to the public at large.”

But the idea of using AIM+Jabber has existed for as long as Jabber itself.

]]> By: Jesse Farmer http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744460 Jesse Farmer Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:59:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744460 @13, Jabber is an IM protocol first, and not really an IM service+protocol like AIM, MSN, etc. That means there are lots of Jabber servers out there, including GTalk. So, no, you don't need an account at jabber.org -- Adium already understands the Jabber protocol, so it can talk directly to Google's servers (which use the Jabber protocol). See http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24075 for details about how to configure Adium for GTalk. @13,

Jabber is an IM protocol first, and not really an IM service+protocol like AIM, MSN, etc.

That means there are lots of Jabber servers out there, including GTalk. So, no, you don’t need an account at jabber.org — Adium already understands the Jabber protocol, so it can talk directly to Google’s servers (which use the Jabber protocol).

See http://www.goog...py?answer=24075 for details about how to configure Adium for GTalk.

]]> By: scratchiti http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/comment-page-1/#comment-1744440 scratchiti Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:53:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/11/09/thats-your-aim-in-my-gtalk/#comment-1744440 Speaking of all this, I just installed adium, which is supposed to be able to use AIM and Gtalk, but I can't get it to work with my Gtalk account. Do I need to get a Jabber account first? Speaking of all this, I just installed adium, which is supposed to be able to use AIM and Gtalk, but I can’t get it to work with my Gtalk account. Do I need to get a Jabber account first?

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