November 3, 2007

NYTimes Blogrunner v. TechMeme

Michael Arrington

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On Thursday we covered the official launch of the NY Times Blogrunner product. Blogrunner was specifically positioned as a Techmeme-like blog news aggregator, albeit with a human touch to help pick good stories when the algorithm isn’t quite up to the task (Techmeme is 100% algorithm based news).

When we wrote that initial story we said we’d report back on how much traffic was referred to us from each of Blogrunner and Techmeme. It was a perfect day for us to test, because our story about MySpace joining Google OpenSocial was the top story on both sites for much of the day.

We are not comparing apples to apples. While the same story was at the top of both sites, blogrunner is just a feature in the NY Times technology section, and at TechMeme its the whole show. But the fact that the NYTimes is so much bigger than TechMeme still made me suspect that overall traffic from them would be higher. September Comscore says the NY Times had 14.5 million unique visitors. TechMeme is too small to be counted by Comscore, so they probably had less than 500,000 unique visitors.

Still, the difference is amazing. The NY Times sent us 150 visitors (and another 70 from blogrunner.com). But those 220 visitors are being compared to 4,500 visitors that TechMeme delivered during that same 24 hour period.

So little of that massive traffic seems to be filtering down to the blog level from the NY Times. It could be due to placement, or perhaps the readers are not yet comfortable with blogrunner; perhaps it will grow on them over time.

Until I see otherwise, TechMeme is the water cooler in the blogosphere. It’s the place we all go hang out to tell stories - some get the attention of everyone around while others are just whispered and no one hears a thing. But it is the place where we all are all the time. It’s going to be hard to hurt it much.

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  1. Josh

    Michael,

    A large part of it could be the newness of the Times’ blogrunner, the typical sources of NY Times traffic (e.g. links from Google News, social networking sites, etc), as well as the reluctance of typical users to deviate from their normal browsing behavior.

    It wouldn’t be any different than if you offered a techmeme competitor then put a link to it on your sidebar. Sure, a few thousand would likely try it out the first day, but it would take a long time to gain market acceptance/leadership, even if it was superior.

  2. Deepak

    Much as I love Techmeme, could we stop equating “blogosphere” with the “tech blogosphere”. I thought we had moved on from that narrow focus over a while ago.

  3. Jon

    The comparison of the two systems regarding traffic is interesting but maybe a few more days of data will shed more light and deliver better data to draw conclusions on.

    Weekends are always a weird time for making sense of traffic patterns.

    Jon

  4. * MISS UNIVERSE

    or perhaps the readers are not yet comfortable with blogrunner; perhaps it will grow on them over time.

    Two important elements to factor in are the RETURN RATE of those referred visitors - as well as how LONG they stay on average during visits.

    A visitor who keeps returning and also participates intelligently in comments is worth much, much more than brief visitors to the homepage.
    (we were initially referred from a forum link on Blogoscoped forums ;-) )

    One wonders if The Times readers who DO visit could be a more valuable resource, simply because they are not geared towards this, and are intrigued enough by a story to visit.

    Also, how does your Technorati traffic compare to those two mentioned?
    Does Digg, Delicious and StumbleUpon bring in quality eyeballs compared to the blog news aggregators? :-D

  5. Joe Duck

    Mike thanks for the traffic comparisons which are always very interesting. I’m glad TechMeme was the clear “winner” here. Like you and the TechCrunch gang, Gabe’s done a simply outstanding job and agree it’s the water cool for the (tech) blogosphere.

  6. liquidboy

    Im a complete virgin to nytimes blog area and blogrunner and thought I’d check out there offerings based on your report.

    I have to admit that trying to navigate to nytimes blog area was dead difficult. And when i got there i had no idea where to look or what to do!

    I then manually navigated to blogrunner (i correctly assummed that the url was http://www.blogrunner.com). That site is a portal for many blogged news items, i definetely got lost in regards to what type of news item i was reading. It looks like a version 1 of a new portal.

    I guess they both have alot of work to do before they’re at the level of techmeme usability! I won’t be going back to either NYTimes blogs or blogrunner for a little while, ill give them time to make there UX better!

  7. Dick

    220 clicks from NYT?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! Sombody get the Old Gray Lady some viagra.

  8. Andrew

    I don’t think techmem is 100% algo. I believe they have a db that lists bloggers who are associated with topics.

  9. Michael Woo

    Heck, the traffic is just enormous.. how i wish to have one of their sites :P.. maybe this xmas, my wish could be fulfilled XD

    huh? why dick is laughing out loud?! @@?

  10. mahesh sharma

    I think you’re right in saying that techmeme is the water cooler of the blogosphere, but an even more interesting result this comparison shows is how small the blogosphere really is.

    If the NYT had 14.5 million uniques and only 250 clicked through via links on blogrunner, what does that tell you about how interested the public is in blogs and blogging?

    NYT is one of the biggest news sites in the world, and now that it has integrated an agregator as part of its coverage, once the mainstream audience is ready to start using blogs as a news source, The NYT will be their first stop.

    A great decision by The NYT, which is something i covered in my blog.

  11. Adam Benayoun

    @10 Thing is that NYT may attract 14.5M unique visitors, but how many of them are really following the technology section? Let’s say 1/10 are, it means the technology section of NYT attract 1.5M unique visitors (X3 times what Techmeme attracts).

    You still have to think about how many of them will really click on the blogrunner small feature and follow to blogrunner site and then click on the news to get to one of the site listed there. I believe that we’re talking about lower figure than Techmeme.

    What’s interesting with blogrunner is that it house under the same site, the techmeme for several niche, and that mean users visiting techmeme but also visiting political blogs or aggregators will find themselves using the NYT blogrunner rather than techmeme.

    I’d give 6 months to see blogrunner taking a larger role in the “technology” blogosphere.

    http://www.octabox.com

  12. John Dowdell

    Ditto the wait-and-see on adoption rates, but I also agree with Joe Duck above… Gabe has contributed something very important to us all (even though I still wish there was a personal bozo filter in the listings…. ;-)

    jd/adobe

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  14. Petri Pokka

    Well, Blogrunner is what, a week old? Give it some more time.

  15. Voices

    Nice comparison Mike. Perhaps the NYTimes and Blogrunner should educate bloggers on how to be included as part of their roster. Seems to me that TechMeme has a lot more bloggers and websites included in its index, thus more stories to draw from.

  16. Max

    “TechMeme is the water cooler in the blogosphere.”

    This has been mentioned above and elsewhere, but it merits more emphasis. Techmeme only covers a very small set of blogs covering a fairly narrow niche that happens to be followed by power users of the web. The outsized importance that you place on the site is all out of proportion with its actual importance to web users. Until Techmeme moves beyond its tech focus (and beyond the other two niche aggregators it has set up) it will never be a mainstream site. The NY Times on the other hand could expand Blogrunner beyond its tech section to all of its sections and blow Techmeme out of the water by reaching a broader set of readers.

    Again, the tech blogosphere is not the blogosphere.

  17. David

    This site is a giant newspaper aggregator, not a news and blog aggregator - if they don’t fix that it will fail miserably.

  18. Tim Glenn

    “TechMeme is too small to be counted by Comscore, so they probably had less than 500,000 unique visitors.”

    Mike - If Comscore isn’t picking up Techmeme, then I’d say they have less than 200k. Granted, techmeme viewership probably isn’t accurately represented by Comscore’s sampling methods…but even Compete.com lists them 142k for Sept ‘07.

  19. Shafqat Islam

    David — which site are you talking about? Interesting comment with a dire prediction, but not quite clear.

  20. Rico

    With all due respect, I think techmeme is irrelevant in a “global” context. I also think the reason why Techcrunch keeps mentioning this site is because Michael and Gabe are good friends and because techmme keeps putting Techcrunch on techmeme’s frontpage. So this is nothing more than a “I scratch your back, you scratch mine”.

  21. Rico

    Mike will take any chance (even a stupid post) to pump his friend’s company. . . lame

  22. Sam

    I totally agree with Rico.

    Talk about an apples to oranges comparison. What is the relevance of comparing a site solely focused on tech and highlighting Techcrunch (I doubt solely with algorithms) with one that has a much broader focus and without incentives to scratch Mikey’s back?

  23. Leaderboard

    I’m sure you’ll love the ny times when they come out with a leaderboard and techcrunch is on top.

  24. Dave

    Personally i prefer techmeme. It seems like the nytimes product is simply a poorly executed me too app.

  25. steve ballmer

    Neither matter at all! MSBlogPostTimer is the real thing!

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  26. nemrut

    ..also keep in mind that NY Times requires registrations to read articles if i remember correctly. it seems like a small thing but many are either too lazy of turned off by the prospect fo filling in another form.

  27. Robin

    I can’t believe you are actually making that comparison after just a few days. This is a huge step for a traditional publisher — most are too terrified to give their visitors a reason to click away from the publisher site. Also, Techmeme will never have the opportunity to take their concept to a more mainstream audience the way the NYTimes does, which in the long run will only work to drive more traffic to more bloggers posts.

    Give it time, this concept is a big one for the traditional publishing world.

  28. Michael Arrington

    Robin, yeah, i think you are right. But we had the data, why not publish it. If things change, we’ll report on that as well.

  29. Steve Ballmer

    Michael:
    Can you get me some of that niffty green for my post?
    It would be appropriate, I have lots of money.
    You could too, **wink, wink**

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  30. Mike

    I am a big fan of TechMeme but it is NOT the water cooler of the blogosphere. It is perhaps the water cooler of the Tech / Web 2.0 blogosphere but it ends right there.

    If you want to find the future water cooler of other areas in the blogosphere then check out http://www.SocialRank.com, which already identifies todays hottest blog posts for many categories other than tech.

  31. JDA

    Wow this is crazy, kind of like how Yahoo sent more traffic to my site than Google on its third day… that was a true test of long term sustainability. Maybe you should go back and see how much traffic you got from tech.memeorandum on its 3rd day and give us that data as well.