October 29, 2007

Alibaba Set to Be Second Biggest Internet IPO Ever

Erick Schonfeld

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alibaba-logo.pngChina’s high-flying Internet stocks are about to get a major addition when B2B marketplace Alibaba goes public on November 6. The IPO is on track to raise $1.5 billion for the Chinese Internet company, according to Bloomberg. That would make it the second-biggest Internet IPO ever, after Google’s $1.9 billion offering in 2004.

Alibaba, which was founded by Chinese celebpreneur Jack Ma, saw its profits rise 382 percent during the first half of 2007 to $39 million (or 292 million RMB), on revenues of $128 million (or 957 million RMB), a 61 percent rise. You can find the find the financials here. Alibaba’s main business is to function as a directory for Chinese manufacturers and other companies, and connect them to other companies around the world looking for suppliers. Alibaba also runs Taoboa, an eBay-like marketplace that is more for consumers and saw $2 billion worth of goods traded over its site the first half of this year; Alipay, the PayPal of China; Yahoo China (Yahoo owns 40 percent of Alibaba); and Alisoft, a Web-based accounting and management software for small businesses.

For a dose of competitive counter-hype on Alibaba, I asked the CEO of Atlanta-based manufacturing marketplace MFG.com, Mitch Free, for his take on Alibaba’s business prospects. (I’ve written about MFG.com previously here and here). Says Free:

There is not a lot of depth in what their business is doing. They are basically a directory and that offers limited value beyond supplier discovery. They will need to build or acquire the systems to truly facilitate industrial commerce and protect intellectual property. Bringing products to market is about more than just finding a supplier. Bringing products to market and sourcing the components requires a lot of collaboration, logistics, revision control, negotiation, due diligence, process and workflow integration.

Alibaba has done a great job selling listings to suppliers in China. However, Alibaba is virtually unknown within the industrial community in North America and Europe. In order for their model not to implode they will need to deliver value to their supplier customers in China. And for those customers, value for the money they spend with Alibaba will be judged by the new customer relationships they win as a result of being on Alibaba. Alibaba will also need to build a brand and value proposition with the industrial-buying community in North America and Europe. The challenge for them will be that those buyers have moved way past using directories and are looking for more transactional depth and process integration.

Conveniently, that is what MFG.com offers. And MFG.com, which is backed by Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, is entering China in a big way. So it is a potential competitor of Alibaba’s. But behind Free’s trash talking, there is some good analysis. He knows the manufacturing market well, and China is his biggest growth area. (If Jack Ma or someone else from Alibaba would like to respond, send me an e-mail to erick at techcrunch).

TechCrunch reported on Alibaba’s IPO earlier here and way back in July.

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  1. exapted

    First

    Alibaba.com is only the B2B portion of the Alibaba group’s business. So there may be another IPO for Taobao and Alipay in the future. Is Alibaba really worth 10 billion USD or so? Or is this the big IPO for the Alibaba Group?

  2. magnusdopus

    It’s cheaper to buy Yahoo now then buy Alibaba IPO shares later.

  3. The Foo

    I used Alibaba a couple of years ago and there were quite a number of scammers there. Had 3 experiences, one good and twice I was scammed and cheated (even with how careful I was — guess was not careful enough). If not for my bank stepping in to help get my funds back and getting a local to help, I would have kissed my money goodbye.

    Most of the wholesalers there don’t take escrow as they are from another country and their purchase terms are “payment first, send goods after”. I am not sure how it is now but they really should start an option for international escrow to safeguard the buyer.

    In my mind, there isn’t really much in place to protect/ safeguard the consumer/ buyer. Yes, there are so called gold suppliers which have to show credentials but I still question the policing the suppliers as trade licenses can still be faked. The scamming and problems I encountered were actually from those so called Gold Suppliers. My suggestion would be to have a system like what Paypal offers with its payment complaint system so that your money is at least safe and to mandate an international escrow system for suppliers (as there are huge amounts of money involved).

    I suspect that Alibaba also sells your email addresses to companies too (without your consent) as I am still regularly getting offers from alibaba suppliers although I closed my account more than a year ago. And I know it is from Alibaba as I used a specific email address to register on their site.

    Don’t get me wrong, there are probably good suppliers out there too. Bottom line is that it is a good marketplace to find suppliers but a bad one interms of buyer and consumer protection as there isn’t any proper policing in place. Customer service is dreadful too. If you get scammed or cheated, you are basically on your own. Is that how it is or am I missing the picture of what it supposed to be?

    Saying that, it must be doing pretty well to float an ipo that high but I pity the select group of buyers that experience what I have — as there is nothing you can do about it legally. THAT is one major drawback with trading with someone from another country, especially if you aren’t a big corporation without the legal muscle and money to fight against the cheaters and scammers. This sort of thing can make or break smaller companies.

  4. Rajan Tawate

    Looks like the next sweep of web startups will be from the asian continent.

    http://www.meetingflex.com
    Social Networking + Video - Crap

  5. Serkan / Tokyotronic

    Don’t forget Japan’s uber-SNS “mixi” which raised 1.9 billion US Dollars in its IPO in September 2006.

    Mixi is also the first Web 2.0 company in the world which went IPO.

  6. fadbook

    Yes I too heard about lot of scammers on Alibaba from somebody who has done business there.
    It should be used only to get leads but it is upto you to verify the quality of the lead

  7. HonestForum

    Buying Wholesale clothing from the web sucks!

    When I look at the clothing and accessories sections on Alibaba, I see a lot of fakes.

    fake true religion jeans:
    fake timberland shoes:
    fake coach handbags:
    fake nike’s:

    Three years ago I began to sell designer clothing on eBay. Over a 10 month period I contacted hundreds of “suppliers”. 99.9% of these people were scammers selling counterfeight goods from china. I would order wholesale lots and they would turn out to be fake. I started our own site for authentic wholesale items, but as it turns out there really aren’t any suppliers who can deliver designer clothing. Today we just deal with individual items.

    So yea, Alibaba is rockin in the cash, but I would never recommend anybody who is interested in designer clothing to deal with them. Its just another marketplace flooded with fakes similar to ebay.

    Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

    Dave Craige
    http://www.honestforum.com
    davidcraige –at– gmail

  8. Wolfgang Leander

    This IPO frenzy is crazy: So many people hungry for a quick buck! Well, nothing wrong with that. But I guess you should also know that Alibaba is heavily involved in a highly controversial business: they act as online shark fin brokers. They have over 300 members who deal with shark body parts and use the Alibaba platform to hawk their merchandise. Have a look:

    http://www.celsias.com/2007/10.....n-traders/

  9. Ila France Porcher

    What a comment on our business community that it is powered by criminals. Ali Baba is accumulating a whopping load of bad karma. Wait till you die, Jack Ma!

    Ila France Porcher
    French Polynesia
    Shark ethologist

  10. Aubrey

    I hate shark fining. I know that as a 100% fact, Alibaba supports shark fining. It is a terrible thing and should be stopped. If you want to know how terrible it is, and why we need sharks in our world, read a story that Peter Benchley wrote called The Day All The Sharks Died. It can be found in his book “Shark Life.”

  11. Brent

    I want to buy stocks for Alibaba when it goes available. I live in US and not sure how to buy a stock listed in Hong Kong exchange. Anyone knows how to do that? Also, what about their pink sheet symbol etc etc? These are the terms brokerage firms I called were mentioning.