Comments on: Check Out The New Windows Home Server Demo. But Why Is It In Flash?

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By: Loud&Clear » Does Microsoft believe their own products?

Loud&Clear » Does Microsoft believe their own products? — Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:03:01 +0000

[...] system – OSX. They sure have great hummer (thanks to 37signals’s founder, Jason Fried, for the post). The thing is Microsoft seems to think the same about some of their products, and here’s [...]

By: THE1000LINKS

THE1000LINKS — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:23:32 +0000

Silverlight is a great tool, well, at least for .net developers, to build RIA applications on internet.

I think it might get more popular when version1.1 released.

By: Flash The Ripper

Flash The Ripper — Sun, 28 Oct 2007 14:56:20 +0000

That’s because flash is the best

By: Billy B

Billy B — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:15:32 +0000

“It never ceases to amaze me that people who bitch about MS and their products more frequently than not have little to no constructive and specific criticism that can stand up against fair analysis.”
Good point. MS bugs, quirks, instability and vulnerabilities provides me an easy job with a nice income.

By: Raphael Theet

Raphael Theet — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:11:52 +0000

“MICROSOFT has appointed Y&R Wunderman to its customer relationship and direct marketing business following a seven nation global pitch for the $US400m business”
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By: Pedro Santa

Pedro Santa — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:21:37 +0000

Hi Michael,

Exactly the same point I figured when I saw some advertising of MS Unified Communications Platform: “Why Flash, when you guys have started to sell your Flash-like Technology?” It simply doesn’t make sense.

I really like the ‘dog food’ gag. I guess it tells it all.

Cheers.

By: Raphael Theet

Raphael Theet — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:06:21 +0000

The reason is quite simple,
Microsoft signed a contract with an big US Marketing agency (Wunderman) to produce their marketing and communication Needs.
Those kind of agencies are very opportunist they don’t love technology they use it. Wunderman executive and account manage don’t even know what silverlight is…they just know flash. They have ONLY flash developers to provide webmarketing content to their clients even it’s Microsoft. they signed a marketing contract not a technology contract. Remember when you sell a dev platform you need peoples to for using it and Wunderman has no people right now we have to wait. Wunderman use freelances so we have to wait that flash dev will become Silverlight dev.

(sorry for my english)

By: Joe

Joe — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:10:42 +0000

It never ceases to amaze me that people who bitch about MS and their products more frequently than not have little to no constructive and specific criticism that can stand up against fair analysis.

By: Billy B

Billy B — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:39:54 +0000

It never ceases to amaze me how much Kool Aid MS can get people to drink

By: David Mackey

David Mackey — Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:32:36 +0000

lol. Thats kind of funny. I think Microsoft should have pushed the Silverlight connection for Home Server. Who is going to buy a Home Server with only a 56k connection? And if you have a broadband connection Silverlight downloads and installs nearly instantaneously.

By: Karim

Karim — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:10:53 +0000

If Microsoft forces you to install Silverlight, you get OH NOES, EVIL MICROSOFT FORCING SOFTWARE ON US.

If Microsoft doesn’t force you to install Silverlight, you get OH NOES, SILVERLIGHT SUX0RS, M$ DOESN’T PRACTICE WHAT IT PREACHES.

> This is not the place for MS to take a stand on pushing Silverlight
> and you know it.

Didn’t you hear, Joe? It’s International Take a Cheap Shot Day.

By: steve ballmer

steve ballmer — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:50:10 +0000

PopFly+Silverlight makes Flash Obsolete!

At the web 2.0 thingy we gave a preview of “Microsoft Online Composition Media Aggregation Layout Toolset”, at the time I wasn’t exactly 100% so I couldn’t remember the name, so I just told them it was named PopFly. I don’t know what made made say that name, but it has gone over well.
So, PopFly! PopFly! PopFly!
Adobe has been an annoyance to me for years, we have tried everything we could to dislodge them but they just keep cranking out good products. We even tried a few sabotage .dll’s, but they always figure it out in no time at all and issue a patch.
But I think we now have the right Combination, PopFly and Silverlight. Here’s my plan:

Those companies who will not adopt these technologies will be “downlisted” at MS.
IE8 will require it’s installation.
The booby-trap .dll’s will come out weekly.
Adobe will be marginalized!

It’s a beautiful day at Microsoft!

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:30:32 +0000

I don’t think TC folks are MS haters….generally….definately not with this post. I do think that many of the readers who take the time to post here are MS haters, most because they are jealous and think they would make more money if MS did not have so much control.

If control is the issue, everyone that cares about marketing expenditures beter start keeping a close eye on Google.

By: Jim Simpson

Jim Simpson — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:10:30 +0000

Enough with calling TechCrunch an MS-hater in this thread already. When the beta of Silverlight was first released, everyone was saying the exact opposite in the threads calling Arrington an MS fanboy because he was enthused about the technology. You’re bitching for the sake of bitching.

By: chris

chris — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:54:20 +0000

Good publicity for Home Server and Silverlight, good job!

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:48:50 +0000

To clarify, 37 is not the same Joe as 35.

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:42:06 +0000

Yeah, another Mac fan boy shot at the MS bow, it get so fucking old, I want Home server myself, I could care less why Microsoft didn’t use it’s early Beta software for a non tech site, Silver light is too new to expect it every where.

By: Saagar

Saagar — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:36:15 +0000

How do they get the attention of people like you, to get the word across, if they don’t use Flash

By: Joe

Joe — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:13:55 +0000

Mike, you’re not dumb, so why the dumb question about what MS is doing here?

This is not the place for MS to take a stand on pushing Silverlight and you know it. In fact, if they did use SilverLight you would rightfully call it a dumb move.

To the jealous MS haters, MS does some things wrongs and some things right, like any company. But, they have made more of a contribution to advancing technology than any other company. Don’t worry, you can still make money without everything being open.

Tons of these “open source” companies, like sugar crm, are really not open and are just riding the wave. In actuality, the number of truly open source projects that are successful would number less than 20. Most just open up some APIs, preserve their core code, and call it open source to get the marketing benefits and to get free development resources.

In fact, it would be interesting for TC to do a post on how many truly “open source” projects have resulted in obtaining critical mass.

For the record: I do not work for MS, am not a partner of MS and frequently use non-MS technolgy. I also think MS does some pretty lame stuff, but let’s get some perspective here!

By: Troy Gilbert

Troy Gilbert — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:34:44 +0000

Wow… sucks seeing TechCrunch devolve like this. Questions like these smack of fanboyism — come on Michael, you know how corporations work, and you know that marketing of this type is often out-sourced as well. Other posters explained this in more detail, though you should be embarrassed they had to. Aren’t you supposed to be a *leader* in web/tech insight (I believe I read that in the TechCrunch About – Bios)?

In fact, we should be applauding MS for using Flash because, if it shows anything, it shows that they’re being pragmatic: advertising has to have minimal to zero barrier of entry, and Silverlight obviously doesn’t have that at this point, whereas Flash does. One could argue that if they had used Silverlight they’d only be getting early-adopter / MS-fans to see the ad, which is exactly the crowd they don’t have to worry about / target with advertising like this.

By: Thinker

Thinker — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:01:43 +0000

Is it “But Why is it in Flash?” day, Even Erick posted an article with same words in Title!

By: Richard Corsale

Richard Corsale — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:53:42 +0000

I would like to point out that hotmail ran Unix for about a year after MS purchased it. Back then their competing product offering was NT server 4..

The cool aid is for us, not them

By: Alex Linhares

Alex Linhares — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:33:16 +0000

I am unable to visualize a single person on this planet who deliberately would go for another microsoft lock-in.

I will only install silverlight if Steve Ballmer goes on tv like this:

“How much do you think this advanced operating environment is going for? Don’T ANSWER! ….”

Fake Steve, any words on that?

By: micfo.com

micfo.com — Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:27:00 +0000

I agree with John Dowdell point there.