Comments on: Mr. Murdoch, Take Down This (Other) Wall! http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/ Startup and Technology News Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:19:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Progress Report on the Open Mesh - July '08 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-2407534 Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Progress Report on the Open Mesh - July '08 Sun, 13 Jul 2008 23:03:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-2407534 [...] Two-way APIs are appearing which present a level playing field - an inter-connected environment which Open Data can be easily shared and user’s profile data, [...] [...] Two-way APIs are appearing which present a level playing field - an inter-connected environment which Open Data can be easily shared and user’s profile data, [...]

]]> By: Barry Woudenberg » Blog Archive » Waarom zouden web 2.0 diensten jouw data portable maken? http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-2032969 Barry Woudenberg » Blog Archive » Waarom zouden web 2.0 diensten jouw data portable maken? Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:43:38 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-2032969 [...] en functionaliteit naar binnen toe loodsen. Maar wellicht dat er - zoals Marc Canter dat noemt - 2-way API’s komen. Oftewel vrijelijk overdraagbare content van de ene dienst naar de [...] [...] en functionaliteit naar binnen toe loodsen. Maar wellicht dat er - zoals Marc Canter dat noemt - 2-way API’s komen. Oftewel vrijelijk overdraagbare content van de ene dienst naar de [...]

]]> By: Patrice Albertus - Blog et Actualités » Widget marketing and new medias http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1741072 Patrice Albertus - Blog et Actualités » Widget marketing and new medias Fri, 09 Nov 2007 02:02:06 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1741072 [...] Ruppet Murdoch, media magnat invest into MySpace, and Microsoft get the partnership with to defy Facebook with bringing MySpace community more widgetizable for users, another market for your next campaigns ! [...] [...] Ruppet Murdoch, media magnat invest into MySpace, and Microsoft get the partnership with to defy Facebook with bringing MySpace community more widgetizable for users, another market for your next campaigns ! [...]

]]> By: Patrice Albertus - Blog et Actualités » Le “widget marketing” http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1725300 Patrice Albertus - Blog et Actualités » Le “widget marketing” Sun, 04 Nov 2007 00:10:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1725300 [...] Ruppet Murdoch le magnat des médias investit dans le web avec MySpace pour défier Facebook avec une orientation plus widgetisable du portail, [...] [...] Ruppet Murdoch le magnat des médias investit dans le web avec MySpace pour défier Facebook avec une orientation plus widgetisable du portail, [...]

]]> By: émergenceweb : blogue » Blog Archive » Alliance Microsoft-Facebook : Google répond avec MySpace et l’Open Social Initiative ! http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1719192 émergenceweb : blogue » Blog Archive » Alliance Microsoft-Facebook : Google répond avec MySpace et l’Open Social Initiative ! Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:20:58 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1719192 [...] dans le même modèle soit «One Way API», pour Application Programming Interface. Arrington avait pertinemment relevé les objections de la salle, dont celles de Mark Canter, sur le modèle «propriétaire» des [...] [...] dans le même modèle soit «One Way API», pour Application Programming Interface. Arrington avait pertinemment relevé les objections de la salle, dont celles de Mark Canter, sur le modèle «propriétaire» des [...]

]]> By: Google’s Response to Facebook: “Maka-Maka” http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1709341 Google’s Response to Facebook: “Maka-Maka” Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:49:23 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1709341 [...] lock developers into Google’s own platform. One way it will do that from the start is by creating two-way APIs so that any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites. (Whether this will extend to [...] [...] lock developers into Google’s own platform. One way it will do that from the start is by creating two-way APIs so that any app created for Google can be taken to other Websites. (Whether this will extend to [...]

]]> By: John Ward http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1693256 John Ward Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:40:44 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1693256 Just out of curiosity, why aren't federated identity, profile, and address books part of this discussion? Once these are in place, the functional APIs fall into place. I don't understand why there isn't a movement to pressure the big SNs and search providers to adopt the Liberty Alliance Project standards. There are two federation specs, and a number of products that work together. Right now, implementation cost might be prohibitive for small startups, but it won't be long before these solutions are more or less turnkey. If the big SNs go their own way (as suggested here), we'll end up with proprietary APIs and a legacy that will take years to undo. Yahoo, Google, AOL, Microsoft, Facebook, and MySpace would be perfect identity providers. Somehow, it just feels like what's good for us is good for them too. Perhaps that's what the smart guys at Google are thinking. Just out of curiosity, why aren’t federated identity, profile, and address books part of this discussion? Once these are in place, the functional APIs fall into place.

I don’t understand why there isn’t a movement to pressure the big SNs and search providers to adopt the Liberty Alliance Project standards. There are two federation specs, and a number of products that work together.

Right now, implementation cost might be prohibitive for small startups, but it won’t be long before these solutions are more or less turnkey. If the big SNs go their own way (as suggested here), we’ll end up with proprietary APIs and a legacy that will take years to undo.

Yahoo, Google, AOL, Microsoft, Facebook, and MySpace would be perfect identity providers. Somehow, it just feels like what’s good for us is good for them too. Perhaps that’s what the smart guys at Google are thinking.

]]> By: Startupbin - Platform wars are upon us http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1691763 Startupbin - Platform wars are upon us Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:48:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1691763 [...] their services. I believe the winners are not the social networks themselves, who will be forced to open their users’ social graphs, and thus their competitive advantage, but now smaller widget-like services that tap into the [...] [...] their services. I believe the winners are not the social networks themselves, who will be forced to open their users’ social graphs, and thus their competitive advantage, but now smaller widget-like services that tap into the [...]

]]> By: Nick O'Neill http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1689521 Nick O'Neill Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:41:53 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1689521 I wrote about this last month: http://www.allfacebook.com/2007/09/mr-zuckerberg-tear-down-this-wall/ Thanks to Google launching their platform, they are going to force many of the social networks to open up. It's not going to happen immediately but I could see it happening in 12 months potentially. I wrote about this last month:

http://www.allfacebook.com/200.....this-wall/

Thanks to Google launching their platform, they are going to force many of the social networks to open up. It’s not going to happen immediately but I could see it happening in 12 months potentially.

]]> By: Anders Fredriksson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1688894 Anders Fredriksson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:07:19 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1688894 I'm all for the fully open 2-way APIs. If your service is good enough, you'll be able to monetize it anyways. //Anders, CEO at Tablefinder.com I’m all for the fully open 2-way APIs.

If your service is good enough, you’ll be able to monetize it anyways.

//Anders, CEO at Tablefinder.com

]]> By: Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Asking the right questions at the right time http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687998 Marc’s Voice » Blog Archive » Asking the right questions at the right time Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:02:26 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687998 [...] Eric Shonfeld has nice things to say about me asking questions and here’s a video of me asking the question (after :25 of Battelle interviewing Zuckerberg. I suspect the DeWolfe interview (and my subsequent question) will be posted soon - as well. [...] [...] Eric Shonfeld has nice things to say about me asking questions and here’s a video of me asking the question (after :25 of Battelle interviewing Zuckerberg. I suspect the DeWolfe interview (and my subsequent question) will be posted soon - as well. [...]

]]> By: manfmnantucket http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687459 manfmnantucket Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:38:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687459 where can you sign up to get info on the myspace API when it's released? I haven't found any resources other than these blog mentions... where can you sign up to get info on the myspace API when it’s released?

I haven’t found any resources other than these blog mentions…

]]> By: Henry http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687342 Henry Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:38:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687342 very interesting very interesting

]]> By: Jessica Mah http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687284 Jessica Mah Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:59:29 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687284 Please, Myspace, <b>GIVE US TWO WAY API</b> and I might just develop for your platform :) Yet again, I can see where they're coming from. Twitter and Twine are smaller startups and have less to lose, whereas MySpace has a lot of advertising money at stake. Please, Myspace, GIVE US TWO WAY API and I might just develop for your platform :)

Yet again, I can see where they’re coming from. Twitter and Twine are smaller startups and have less to lose, whereas MySpace has a lot of advertising money at stake.

]]> By: Raj http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687278 Raj Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:56:22 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687278 Facebook already has a 2-way API. Everything you can do with an embedded Facebook application you can also do with a completely external web application. It's well documented on developer.facebook.com, and has been implemented already for both external web sites and even external desktop applications. Assuming you knew that, perhaps what you're calling for is not a 2-way API (as that already exists) but for more functions to be added to the existing API: ability to view wall messages, the news-feed, etc. Currently you can't do this with internal or external Facebook applications. Facebook already has a 2-way API. Everything you can do with an embedded Facebook application you can also do with a completely external web application. It’s well documented on developer.facebook.com, and has been implemented already for both external web sites and even external desktop applications.

Assuming you knew that, perhaps what you’re calling for is not a 2-way API (as that already exists) but for more functions to be added to the existing API: ability to view wall messages, the news-feed, etc. Currently you can’t do this with internal or external Facebook applications.

]]> By: Jon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687081 Jon Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:43:08 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1687081 Is it just me or does this sound like the exact same debate a few years ago between cell phone providers? You can't do xyz because blah blah blah ;-) The more things change, the more they remain the same... I figure in a few years, when social network sites die off, this will happen but until then, there is too much a profit motive invested in keeping the status-quo. Jon Is it just me or does this sound like the exact same debate a few years ago between cell phone providers? You can’t do xyz because blah blah blah ;-)

The more things change, the more they remain the same… I figure in a few years, when social network sites die off, this will happen but until then, there is too much a profit motive invested in keeping the status-quo.

Jon

]]> By: Joe http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685886 Joe Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:06:15 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685886 So what was Murdoch's response to the question !? I can't see why being the first to provide a '2-way' api would be of great benefit to MySpace. Ultimately, they will probably have to do this if other big players (ie: FB) do it, but right now I can't see much incentive for them. Also '2-way api' is vague. I believe Marc Canter is interested in portability or de-centralization of the graph of social connections. Achieving something like this requires a good deal of standardization among networks. MySpace allowing you to simply extract a list of your friends isn't going to add a lot of value to anything if those friends details have no significance outside the MySpace platform. So what was Murdoch’s response to the question !?

I can’t see why being the first to provide a ‘2-way’ api would be of great benefit to MySpace. Ultimately, they will probably have to do this if other big players (ie: FB) do it, but right now I can’t see much incentive for them.

Also ‘2-way api’ is vague. I believe Marc Canter is interested in portability or de-centralization of the graph of social connections. Achieving something like this requires a good deal of standardization among networks. MySpace allowing you to simply extract a list of your friends isn’t going to add a lot of value to anything if those friends details have no significance outside the MySpace platform.

]]> By: Manuel Noriega http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685773 Manuel Noriega Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:12:03 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685773 Does Mr. Murdoch even know how to imbed Youtube vids on myspace? Look at him sitting there looking like he invented the WWW. Does Mr. Murdoch even know how to imbed Youtube vids on myspace? Look at him sitting there looking like he invented the http://WWW.

]]> By: David Blume http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685718 David Blume Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:26:11 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685718 Joel has wanted to be able take down the other wall since 2000. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000052.html Joel has wanted to be able take down the other wall since 2000.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/.....00052.html

]]> By: Keith Teare http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685708 Keith Teare Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:21:49 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685708 That (a 2 way API) is exactly what we have at edgeio. It enables inbound and outbound data (hence edge IO). I have to disagree that this approach threatens a business model. Infact I would strongly suggest the opposite. By enabling advertisers and other publishers to come inside whilst allowing data to be taken outside the entitry at the center increases its reach into a publisher network and so extends "the social graph" beyond its borders. Money follows traffic and links and so in theend this is a big win for all 3 parties (inbound partners; outbound partners and the middle). Open is best, Canter is right. And if that is right, it will happen! Only question is who will jump first. :-) Keith Teare ceo/co-founder/edgeio That (a 2 way API) is exactly what we have at edgeio. It enables inbound and outbound data (hence edge IO). I have to disagree that this approach threatens a business model. Infact I would strongly suggest the opposite. By enabling advertisers and other publishers to come inside whilst allowing data to be taken outside the entitry at the center increases its reach into a publisher network and so extends “the social graph” beyond its borders. Money follows traffic and links and so in theend this is a big win for all 3 parties (inbound partners; outbound partners and the middle).

Open is best, Canter is right. And if that is right, it will happen! Only question is who will jump first. :-)

Keith Teare
ceo/co-founder/edgeio

]]> By: Manuel Noriega http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685675 Manuel Noriega Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:50:52 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685675 Linux = very open = 2 dozen distros Windows = blackhole = 0 who's making $$ remember, anyone can clone these sites. Linux = very open = 2 dozen distros
Windows = blackhole = 0

who’s making $$

remember, anyone can clone these sites.

]]> By: Jon http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685649 Jon Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:16:25 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685649 In Response to Ryan Merket's msg... For some apps, clearly it doesn't make sense to develop on the 'other side of the wall'. For other apps, it clearly does. No, the widgets like 'top friends' and 'where i've been' don't necessarily make sense out of facebook's 4 walls. However, even taking a look at my company it would sense to add 'social graph' functionality to it without having to build within the FB platform. When people visit SkiReport.com, how cool would it be when they visited a resort to say '25 of your friends have skied here before, they've said this about it.' Yes, i can create ski area pages within the FB platform... but it doesn't belong there. In Response to Ryan Merket’s msg…

For some apps, clearly it doesn’t make sense to develop on the ‘other side of the wall’. For other apps, it clearly does. No, the widgets like ‘top friends’ and ‘where i’ve been’ don’t necessarily make sense out of facebook’s 4 walls.

However, even taking a look at my company it would sense to add ’social graph’ functionality to it without having to build within the FB platform. When people visit SkiReport.com, how cool would it be when they visited a resort to say ‘25 of your friends have skied here before, they’ve said this about it.’

Yes, i can create ski area pages within the FB platform… but it doesn’t belong there.

]]> By: Shelley http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685647 Shelley Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:14:04 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685647 It always amazes me that in the wide open spaces of the web, companies' strategies for growth are still based on creating artificial barriers, not compelling products. Guess human nature doesn't really change: mine is mine, and yours is mine. It always amazes me that in the wide open spaces of the web, companies’ strategies for growth are still based on creating artificial barriers, not compelling products. Guess human nature doesn’t really change: mine is mine, and yours is mine.

]]> By: Dawson http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685645 Dawson Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:12:17 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685645 "But creating a two-way API is probably one of the smartest things MySpace can do right now." It's probably one of the most dumbest thing MySpace can do right now, actually, if it wants to compete with Facekbook and Co that is. One way API, sure! Two way API, would be suicide. “But creating a two-way API is probably one of the smartest things MySpace can do right now.”

It’s probably one of the most dumbest thing MySpace can do right now, actually, if it wants to compete with Facekbook and Co that is. One way API, sure! Two way API, would be suicide.

]]> By: Rob http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685634 Rob Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:03:48 +0000 http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/19/mr-murdoch-take-down-this-other-wall/#comment-1685634 In response to Ryan Merket's msg. Users don't necessarily want to go to FaceBook to post to their friends, they would want to post something in the least amount of steps possible. If they were at a site that contained a widget that allowed them to post to their friends without leaving the current website then that is how they are going to do it. R. In response to Ryan Merket’s msg.

Users don’t necessarily want to go to FaceBook to post to their friends, they would want to post something in the least amount of steps possible. If they were at a site that contained a widget that allowed them to post to their friends without leaving the current website then that is how they are going to do it.

R.

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