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	<title>Comments on: Cyberwar: China Declares War On Western Search Sites</title>
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		<title>By: ericsson polyphonic ringtones sony</title>
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		<dc:creator>ericsson polyphonic ringtones sony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Technology latest news &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China not redirecting search-engine traffic to Baidu (InfoWorld)</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-2013329</link>
		<dc:creator>Technology latest news &#187; Blog Archive &#187; China not redirecting search-engine traffic to Baidu (InfoWorld)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a follow-up post, TechCrunch said &#8220;new reports have surfaced that would indicate that China has unilaterally [...]</description>
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		<title>By: googlesucks</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1749671</link>
		<dc:creator>googlesucks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 17:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google sucks in china !!!

the google searching technology is a joke. It only gives lossy searching results. On the contrast, Baidu understands me better.</description>
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<p>the google searching technology is a joke. It only gives lossy searching results. On the contrast, Baidu understands me better.</p>
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		<title>By: iDiligence Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1694404</link>
		<dc:creator>iDiligence Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;China Cheats...&lt;/strong&gt;


There is a story buzzing around the web today that China is blocking access to all three major U.S. search engines.  Visitors are not being blocked, but rather are being redirected to China’s top search engine, Baidu.
Guess what?  That is cheating. ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>China Cheats&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>There is a story buzzing around the web today that China is blocking access to all three major U.S. search engines.  Visitors are not being blocked, but rather are being redirected to China’s top search engine, Baidu.<br />
Guess what?  That is cheating. &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KennyP's Technology Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1694052</link>
		<dc:creator>KennyP's Technology Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;本周精彩文章（07年-42周）...&lt;/strong&gt;

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从 Google Blogger/Blogspot 搬家到 WordPress.com
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<p>本站精彩文章</p>
<p>从 Google Blogger/Blogspot 搬家到 WordPress.com<br />
如何查看一个部落格有多少的 Feed 订阅者？<br />
电脑节能环保和 Blog Action Day<br />
如何为你的网站/部落格加上 Favicon ？(Part 1)<br />
如何为你的网站/部&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: SEO - - Trademark Law &#8211; What Search Marketers Should Know, Part 1 : Daily SEO News</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1693026</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO - - Trademark Law &#8211; What Search Marketers Should Know, Part 1 : Daily SEO News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch argues that this censorship may be economically motivated as well as political, as the redirects benefit a Chinese owned company. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lidana</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1693025</link>
		<dc:creator>Lidana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny. I'm in South Africa and was redirected to Baidu when I tried to do a search in Yahoo the other day. I thought it was a bit wierd, especially since I can't read the language on Baidu! I tried a few times and eventually gave up and went to Google, which worked fine. 

Why would it happen in SA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny. I&#8217;m in South Africa and was redirected to Baidu when I tried to do a search in Yahoo the other day. I thought it was a bit wierd, especially since I can&#8217;t read the language on Baidu! I tried a few times and eventually gave up and went to Google, which worked fine. </p>
<p>Why would it happen in SA?</p>
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		<title>By: SEO - - Search engine submission with the new Sitemap protocol : Daily SEO News</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1692968</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO - - Search engine submission with the new Sitemap protocol : Daily SEO News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Techcrunch argues that this censorship may be economically motivated as well as political, as the redirects benefit a Chinese owned company. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Panamajack</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1692959</link>
		<dc:creator>Panamajack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 06:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny the arguments about China's educational system ... the giantatic endowments at places like Harvard got their very start with profits accrued selling Opium to the Chinese  ...  wars were fought for the right of Western drug pushers to continue peddling their wares. 

The whole world comes to the US to study (even Europeans); they got the most dough, the best teachers, and the most resources.

--
RE: the story:

I've seen NOTHING of this in either the Taiwanese (where I am) news nor any of the China centric blogs I follow. Fake, fake, fake. 

As for Baidu, if your into finding free .mp3 of Asian pop music, or Chinese script search, it is fantastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny the arguments about China&#8217;s educational system &#8230; the giantatic endowments at places like Harvard got their very start with profits accrued selling Opium to the Chinese  &#8230;  wars were fought for the right of Western drug pushers to continue peddling their wares. </p>
<p>The whole world comes to the US to study (even Europeans); they got the most dough, the best teachers, and the most resources.</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
RE: the story:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen NOTHING of this in either the Taiwanese (where I am) news nor any of the China centric blogs I follow. Fake, fake, fake. </p>
<p>As for Baidu, if your into finding free .mp3 of Asian pop music, or Chinese script search, it is fantastic.</p>
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		<title>By: GX</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1692848</link>
		<dc:creator>GX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got back from China and I hadn't seen the problem Techcrunch mentioned. When i put "google.com" , it simply showed nothing and i had to use "google.cn". 

Google.cn goes blank if users input any potentially sensitive words, well, that isn't anything new, but what's amazing is that when I searched "17th Big" (17th national congress of people's republic of china), google.cn stopped the service and let no one make a search on it. weird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got back from China and I hadn&#8217;t seen the problem Techcrunch mentioned. When i put &#8220;google.com&#8221; , it simply showed nothing and i had to use &#8220;google.cn&#8221;. </p>
<p>Google.cn goes blank if users input any potentially sensitive words, well, that isn&#8217;t anything new, but what&#8217;s amazing is that when I searched &#8220;17th Big&#8221; (17th national congress of people&#8217;s republic of china), google.cn stopped the service and let no one make a search on it. weird.</p>
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		<title>By: Tor</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1691166</link>
		<dc:creator>Tor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Adam @#144 doesn't look like to be a chinese but a guy who is attempting to raise another attack to chinese people, because he wants others to see how chinese people are brain washed. Of course if he is chinese, I will be sorry for him.

I'm chinese I was out for a few days so I can't say what happened, but right now I can visit google and all other search engines without seeing any problems.

Yes china has lots lots lots of problems, but just like a human, s/he grows up from a baby, no one is always doing things right, your mom also tells you not to do this and that, everyone makes funny mistakes before s/he become an adults.

I also am disappointed with tons of places of my country, but it's our home, we born in here, which was not our fault... God bless all of you, when you open your mouth and say "chinese are stupid, chinese this, and chinese that", think about there are so many chinese people reading what your saying, it's not ethical to blame on us because if you have ever travelled here in Beijing, you will see how people here are friendly to you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Adam @#144 doesn&#8217;t look like to be a chinese but a guy who is attempting to raise another attack to chinese people, because he wants others to see how chinese people are brain washed. Of course if he is chinese, I will be sorry for him.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m chinese I was out for a few days so I can&#8217;t say what happened, but right now I can visit google and all other search engines without seeing any problems.</p>
<p>Yes china has lots lots lots of problems, but just like a human, s/he grows up from a baby, no one is always doing things right, your mom also tells you not to do this and that, everyone makes funny mistakes before s/he become an adults.</p>
<p>I also am disappointed with tons of places of my country, but it&#8217;s our home, we born in here, which was not our fault&#8230; God bless all of you, when you open your mouth and say &#8220;chinese are stupid, chinese this, and chinese that&#8221;, think about there are so many chinese people reading what your saying, it&#8217;s not ethical to blame on us because if you have ever travelled here in Beijing, you will see how people here are friendly to you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ziemlich übertrieben</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1690380</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziemlich übertrieben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 05:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wenn hierbei eine Quelle angegeben wurde, liess sich diese - in meinen Augen - Falschmeldung auf Techcrunch zurückverfolgen. Woher die ihre Informationen haben, ist mir schleierhaft. Hier in Beijing habe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wenn hierbei eine Quelle angegeben wurde, liess sich diese - in meinen Augen - Falschmeldung auf Techcrunch zurückverfolgen. Woher die ihre Informationen haben, ist mir schleierhaft. Hier in Beijing habe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wayland</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1690036</link>
		<dc:creator>Wayland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with #16.

I've been reading techcrunch for a long time.
I always see this Duncan Riley Gauy posts something about China.
I'm wondering if you are in the department of china market's editor team? If this is the case, I would suggest you to come over here and have a deep investigate at the chinese IT market first. Otherwise, post less 'articles' with your sentiment, give us more 'reports' with numbers and reference. Btw, i did not hear anything about this in China, but from the western bloggers!


I dont like baidu, too. I've been living in the US for many years, and I like google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with #16.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been reading techcrunch for a long time.<br />
I always see this Duncan Riley Gauy posts something about China.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering if you are in the department of china market&#8217;s editor team? If this is the case, I would suggest you to come over here and have a deep investigate at the chinese IT market first. Otherwise, post less &#8216;articles&#8217; with your sentiment, give us more &#8216;reports&#8217; with numbers and reference. Btw, i did not hear anything about this in China, but from the western bloggers!</p>
<p>I dont like baidu, too. I&#8217;ve been living in the US for many years, and I like google.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1689990</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all don't know china. We know more and more about you. I think you should firstly start to realize china and you will find that in fact baidu.com is more useful than google or yahoo because baidu brings the really good services following our life style to us neither beacause politics nor economic.
百度是最棒的，我喜欢百度。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all don&#8217;t know china. We know more and more about you. I think you should firstly start to realize china and you will find that in fact baidu.com is more useful than google or yahoo because baidu brings the really good services following our life style to us neither beacause politics nor economic.<br />
百度是最棒的，我喜欢百度。</p>
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		<title>By: What Actually Happened in Last Thursday on Foreign Search Engines? : China Web2.0 Review</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1689490</link>
		<dc:creator>What Actually Happened in Last Thursday on Foreign Search Engines? : China Web2.0 Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There were tons of the reports on this issue already, either from highly-influential blogs as Techcrunch and Search Engine Land, or from main stream media as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There were tons of the reports on this issue already, either from highly-influential blogs as Techcrunch and Search Engine Land, or from main stream media as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: blognation China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mind Your Step: &#8220;Cyberwar&#8221; with the Search Engines?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1689489</link>
		<dc:creator>blognation China &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mind Your Step: &#8220;Cyberwar&#8221; with the Search Engines?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it just me, or did someone not get the facts totally right? If a TechCrunch article is to be believed, search engines like Google and Yahoo! seem to be, once again, invisible in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it just me, or did someone not get the facts totally right? If a TechCrunch article is to be believed, search engines like Google and Yahoo! seem to be, once again, invisible in the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 雜碎，關於政治 &#171; Memory-Melody-Mentality</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1689484</link>
		<dc:creator>雜碎，關於政治 &#171; Memory-Melody-Mentality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1689484</guid>
		<description>[...] 中國的GFW 越來越厲害，已經不獨去防敏感字眼，還玩騎劫起來。據說，但凡網址帶&#8221;search”的，就統統當成是百度搜尋。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 中國的GFW 越來越厲害，已經不獨去防敏感字眼，還玩騎劫起來。據說，但凡網址帶&#8221;search”的，就統統當成是百度搜尋。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Zatynski</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1686961</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Zatynski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a U.S. citizen currently residing in Shenyang, China. My google searches come through just fine and are not being blocked! Is this only happening in certain areas of China? I am in the NE area about 125 miles from the North Korean border. Yeah, it's friggin' cold up here... but I like China. My wife is from Shenyang... Certain things detrimental to the government are indeed blocked, such as BBC and derogatory (to the Chinese government) web sites  (10/20/07)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a U.S. citizen currently residing in Shenyang, China. My google searches come through just fine and are not being blocked! Is this only happening in certain areas of China? I am in the NE area about 125 miles from the North Korean border. Yeah, it&#8217;s friggin&#8217; cold up here&#8230; but I like China. My wife is from Shenyang&#8230; Certain things detrimental to the government are indeed blocked, such as BBC and derogatory (to the Chinese government) web sites  (10/20/07)</p>
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		<title>By: A Taiwanese</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1686780</link>
		<dc:creator>A Taiwanese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sorry for Chinese people to lose their freedom again. However, it is a very precious lesson for the western world to learn.

There have been too many Taiwan merchants deprived of everything owing to deceit of China. They take your know-hows and techniques first and throw you out later.


(please delete my last comment, thanks.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for Chinese people to lose their freedom again. However, it is a very precious lesson for the western world to learn.</p>
<p>There have been too many Taiwan merchants deprived of everything owing to deceit of China. They take your know-hows and techniques first and throw you out later.</p>
<p>(please delete my last comment, thanks.)</p>
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		<title>By: A Taiwanese</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1686776</link>
		<dc:creator>A Taiwanese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel sorry for Chinese people to lose their freedom again.  However, it is a very precious for the western world to learn.

There have been too many Taiwan merchants deprived of everything owing to deceit of China.  They take your know-hows and techniques first and throw you out later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel sorry for Chinese people to lose their freedom again.  However, it is a very precious for the western world to learn.</p>
<p>There have been too many Taiwan merchants deprived of everything owing to deceit of China.  They take your know-hows and techniques first and throw you out later.</p>
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		<title>By: admanGo</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1686737</link>
		<dc:creator>admanGo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, not experiencing any redirects to Baidu from any of the search engines. Still can't access YouTube however. 

Let's not assume that these reports are lies just as we shouldn't assume the redirects to be malevonent and intentional. Just because many of us haven't experienced it doesn't mean it didn't happen before or to other people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, not experiencing any redirects to Baidu from any of the search engines. Still can&#8217;t access YouTube however. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not assume that these reports are lies just as we shouldn&#8217;t assume the redirects to be malevonent and intentional. Just because many of us haven&#8217;t experienced it doesn&#8217;t mean it didn&#8217;t happen before or to other people.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1686649</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past 10 days in Beijing I have had zero, no, none, nada problems with Google, Google Blog Search, Yahoo, and I've been connected in twenty or thirty different places...it's so nice to find such widespread connectivity.

I find it slightly easier to find connectivity here than in San Francisco...because many cafes and restaurants, not just Starbucks, provide free access.  And, of course, the hundreds of Starbucks here work just fine.

I connect from taxis sitting in the terrible rush hour traffic on the freeway overpasses....jams are on a par with the San Francisco Bay Area jams, but once in a while it stays stopped for five or ten minutes, while the Bay Area usually gets moving after five.

I did have a problem with connectivity yesterday...as I do every day in Silicon Valley.  With the astounding number of servers and routers in today's Internet, and the astonishingly fragile software on many of the servers, it isn't startling when a simple misconfiguration causes problems.  

As L Z points out, the  "Internet" is a huge, buzzing, interconnected, interdependent system built from flawed, fragile, imperfect parts. That's the point of the Internet protocols: build a reliable system from unreliable parts. Most of the time.  And those that don't understand this are unable to think clearly about events that occur in a networked world.

Things do heal. And if they don't, route around them.  The Internet is triage.

As one of the world's largest ISP's once told me, "Problems? The nightmare of Microsoft PC's connecting to my network, with unprotected routing tables, arbitrary code propagating viruses, and uninformed people with too much time on their hands trying to play cyberwarrior is enough.  I don't need to presume that anyone is acting in an evil way to explain what goes wrong. Simple incompetence is enough."

And on that note, there certainly are a large number of uninformed people with opinions about China. 

From the point of view of a large, very high tech company with a current roster of five hundred engineers in a research center in Beijing, and with plans to double the number in the next year, our technical, scientific and commercial future is deeply involved with China.  We need the world's smartest, most competent, most informed people.  That's how we innovate and grow.

We try to design to improve, and find paranoic and jingoistic sentiments quite counterproductive.

It is always useful to point out to those not involved with science and technology that sixty percent of the advanced degrees in science and technology in the United States go to people not born in the United States. 

The United States is enormously dependent upon the talents of people from every country in the world. That's what made the United States, that's what will sustain us as global competition grows, and that is our challenge: to continue to attract the world's smartest people to work with us to innovate, to research and develop, and to create new businesses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past 10 days in Beijing I have had zero, no, none, nada problems with Google, Google Blog Search, Yahoo, and I&#8217;ve been connected in twenty or thirty different places&#8230;it&#8217;s so nice to find such widespread connectivity.</p>
<p>I find it slightly easier to find connectivity here than in San Francisco&#8230;because many cafes and restaurants, not just Starbucks, provide free access.  And, of course, the hundreds of Starbucks here work just fine.</p>
<p>I connect from taxis sitting in the terrible rush hour traffic on the freeway overpasses&#8230;.jams are on a par with the San Francisco Bay Area jams, but once in a while it stays stopped for five or ten minutes, while the Bay Area usually gets moving after five.</p>
<p>I did have a problem with connectivity yesterday&#8230;as I do every day in Silicon Valley.  With the astounding number of servers and routers in today&#8217;s Internet, and the astonishingly fragile software on many of the servers, it isn&#8217;t startling when a simple misconfiguration causes problems.  </p>
<p>As L Z points out, the  &#8220;Internet&#8221; is a huge, buzzing, interconnected, interdependent system built from flawed, fragile, imperfect parts. That&#8217;s the point of the Internet protocols: build a reliable system from unreliable parts. Most of the time.  And those that don&#8217;t understand this are unable to think clearly about events that occur in a networked world.</p>
<p>Things do heal. And if they don&#8217;t, route around them.  The Internet is triage.</p>
<p>As one of the world&#8217;s largest ISP&#8217;s once told me, &#8220;Problems? The nightmare of Microsoft PC&#8217;s connecting to my network, with unprotected routing tables, arbitrary code propagating viruses, and uninformed people with too much time on their hands trying to play cyberwarrior is enough.  I don&#8217;t need to presume that anyone is acting in an evil way to explain what goes wrong. Simple incompetence is enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>And on that note, there certainly are a large number of uninformed people with opinions about China. </p>
<p>From the point of view of a large, very high tech company with a current roster of five hundred engineers in a research center in Beijing, and with plans to double the number in the next year, our technical, scientific and commercial future is deeply involved with China.  We need the world&#8217;s smartest, most competent, most informed people.  That&#8217;s how we innovate and grow.</p>
<p>We try to design to improve, and find paranoic and jingoistic sentiments quite counterproductive.</p>
<p>It is always useful to point out to those not involved with science and technology that sixty percent of the advanced degrees in science and technology in the United States go to people not born in the United States. </p>
<p>The United States is enormously dependent upon the talents of people from every country in the world. That&#8217;s what made the United States, that&#8217;s what will sustain us as global competition grows, and that is our challenge: to continue to attract the world&#8217;s smartest people to work with us to innovate, to research and develop, and to create new businesses.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Changsha, Hunan Province, in south-central China. Google, Yahoo, and Live are all working fine for me. I have the same censorship as most people do -- Flickr, Wikipedia, Blogger, Wordpress, Feedburner, etc. -- but so far I have not seen any redirects to Baidu.

And "L Z" is correct -- the firewall is not a single entity. Like all government/enforcement stuff in China, it is passed down to the local level and implemented by the ISPs. For example, when I was traveling in China last year, a hotel here in Changsha would allow Wikipedia, but my hotel in Beijing would not. Similarly, now that I live in Changsha, I have a different ISP, and it indeed does not allow Wikipedia, while that hotel across town did.

These things fluctuate over time, as well. Some days Blogger is blocked, some days it isn't. Wikipedia is blocked 90% of the time, but occasionally it isn't.

Is it possible there is a coordinated, economically-driven effort to stamp out Google/Yahoo/Live/etc in favor of a local company? Absolutely. But is it consistent or thorough? Nope. Will it last a day, or 10 days, or years? Who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Changsha, Hunan Province, in south-central China. Google, Yahoo, and Live are all working fine for me. I have the same censorship as most people do &#8212; Flickr, Wikipedia, Blogger, Wordpress, Feedburner, etc. &#8212; but so far I have not seen any redirects to Baidu.</p>
<p>And &#8220;L Z&#8221; is correct &#8212; the firewall is not a single entity. Like all government/enforcement stuff in China, it is passed down to the local level and implemented by the ISPs. For example, when I was traveling in China last year, a hotel here in Changsha would allow Wikipedia, but my hotel in Beijing would not. Similarly, now that I live in Changsha, I have a different ISP, and it indeed does not allow Wikipedia, while that hotel across town did.</p>
<p>These things fluctuate over time, as well. Some days Blogger is blocked, some days it isn&#8217;t. Wikipedia is blocked 90% of the time, but occasionally it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Is it possible there is a coordinated, economically-driven effort to stamp out Google/Yahoo/Live/etc in favor of a local company? Absolutely. But is it consistent or thorough? Nope. Will it last a day, or 10 days, or years? Who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: L Z</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1685738</link>
		<dc:creator>L Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you guys ever consider the possibility that there are multiple ISPs in China which are highly unreliable? The fact that Chinese internet is set up to be slower to websites outside China, and many ISPs when unable to connect to a site, display a default site (such as baidu). Sounds like some idiot's ISP was down and china, and he automatically assumed that China began actively blocking the websites. To even randomly start and stop blocking websites intermittently is a ridiculous idea. What's the point when you can just block it completely? Also, China's "firewall" isn't a single entity, just many levels of ISPs given a list of websites to block. It's all done locally. Just something to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys ever consider the possibility that there are multiple ISPs in China which are highly unreliable? The fact that Chinese internet is set up to be slower to websites outside China, and many ISPs when unable to connect to a site, display a default site (such as baidu). Sounds like some idiot&#8217;s ISP was down and china, and he automatically assumed that China began actively blocking the websites. To even randomly start and stop blocking websites intermittently is a ridiculous idea. What&#8217;s the point when you can just block it completely? Also, China&#8217;s &#8220;firewall&#8221; isn&#8217;t a single entity, just many levels of ISPs given a list of websites to block. It&#8217;s all done locally. Just something to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: meneame.net</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/18/cyberwar-china-declares-war-on-western-search-sites/#comment-1685427</link>
		<dc:creator>meneame.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;China bloquea el tráfico de los motores de búsqueda estadounidenses...&lt;/strong&gt;

(En inglés) China ha declarado la ciberguerra a Estados Unidos al redirigir el tráfico de buscadores como Yahoo!, Google y Live (motor de Microsoft) a su buscador local Baidu. Al parecer dicha acción podría estar motivada por la medalla que le ha c...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>China bloquea el tráfico de los motores de búsqueda estadounidenses&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>(En inglés) China ha declarado la ciberguerra a Estados Unidos al redirigir el tráfico de buscadores como Yahoo!, Google y Live (motor de Microsoft) a su buscador local Baidu. Al parecer dicha acción podría estar motivada por la medalla que le ha c&#8230;</p>
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