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	<title>Comments on: Even Free Can&#8217;t Compete With Music Piracy</title>
	<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/</link>
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		<title>By: Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-2301579</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 19:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-2301579</guid>
		<description>[...] place in music. DRM is history, the price of music is falling towards zero (and sometimes even free isn&#8217;t enough to slow piracy), and even big music sites like Yahoo are beginning to break ranks with the RIAA and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] place in music. DRM is history, the price of music is falling towards zero (and sometimes even free isn&#8217;t enough to slow piracy), and even big music sites like Yahoo are beginning to break ranks with the RIAA and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Our Techno Lyrics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Music Industry’s Last Stand Will Be A Music Tax</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1928984</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Techno Lyrics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Music Industry’s Last Stand Will Be A Music Tax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1928984</guid>
		<description>[...] here last October. Subsequently, we noted that even offering the new RadioHead album for free didn&#8217;t stop massive file sharing on BitTorrent. More recently, NIN&#8217;s Trent Reznor was disheartened to see [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] here last October. Subsequently, we noted that even offering the new RadioHead album for free didn&#8217;t stop massive file sharing on BitTorrent. More recently, NIN&#8217;s Trent Reznor was disheartened to see [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Our Techno Lyrics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1909366</link>
		<dc:creator>Our Techno Lyrics &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Amazon Helping To Change The Business Of Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1909366</guid>
		<description>[...] place in music. DRM is history, the price of music is falling towards zero (and sometimes even free isn&#8217;t enough to slow piracy), and even big music sites like Yahoo are beginning to break ranks with the RIAA and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] place in music. DRM is history, the price of music is falling towards zero (and sometimes even free isn&#8217;t enough to slow piracy), and even big music sites like Yahoo are beginning to break ranks with the RIAA and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: TechCrunch en français &#187; Radiohead lance son prochain album avec un concert gratuit sur Current TV pour le réveillon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1878177</link>
		<dc:creator>TechCrunch en français &#187; Radiohead lance son prochain album avec un concert gratuit sur Current TV pour le réveillon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 07:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1878177</guid>
		<description>[...] à volonté&#8221; (les utilisateurs payant ce qu&#8217;ils peuvent ou veulent) ; ce qui n&#8217;empecha pas non plus les téléchargements en Bittorrent. Ce systeme offre l&#8217;avantage de controler quelque peu la [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] à volonté&#8221; (les utilisateurs payant ce qu&#8217;ils peuvent ou veulent) ; ce qui n&#8217;empecha pas non plus les téléchargements en Bittorrent. Ce systeme offre l&#8217;avantage de controler quelque peu la [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Musik-Industrie bald ohne Musiker? &#171; Gap News Kurznachrichten</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1694461</link>
		<dc:creator>Musik-Industrie bald ohne Musiker? &#171; Gap News Kurznachrichten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1694461</guid>
		<description>[...] TechCrunch Kontext: Gap News, The Telegraph, Slashdot, TechCrunch, Techdirt -1- &#38; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] TechCrunch Kontext: Gap News, The Telegraph, Slashdot, TechCrunch, Techdirt -1- &amp; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682669</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682669</guid>
		<description>chris has got it dead on. i too think that this was a big success story for radiohead.

also, i want to take issue with the author's characterization of P2P or bittorrent as "illegal downloading." the author is, as far as i know, not a lawyer, nor does he intend himself as a shill for a particular industry lobby. he may want to refrain from legal pronouncements in the future, especially when they are not vital to his point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chris has got it dead on. i too think that this was a big success story for radiohead.</p>
<p>also, i want to take issue with the author&#8217;s characterization of P2P or bittorrent as &#8220;illegal downloading.&#8221; the author is, as far as i know, not a lawyer, nor does he intend himself as a shill for a particular industry lobby. he may want to refrain from legal pronouncements in the future, especially when they are not vital to his point.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Elbows</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682563</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Elbows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682563</guid>
		<description>That 300,000 figure for sales of their last album was how many it sold in the first week. We need to wait longer to see how overall sales compare.

I agree with comments about promotion. When the death of the music industry first became a talked about thing, many years ago now, it became clear that there was a new era in distribution unfolding. But when it comes down to mass marketing, the picture is not so clear. Sure some stuff will go viral on the net without an expensive mainstream media campaign, but even then some of this is due to mainstream media coverage. 

In the longterm I am quite interested to see what happens to mass media, if it keeps declining then at some point the era of mass marketing may fall apart and Im not sure if that means the death of all things mega. 

Or perhaps nothing so radical will happen, and all we will see is one type of middlemen getting replaced with another. 

Actually I suppose my great hope for the internet helping music, would be that talented musicians who would previously have given up and got other jobs after being ignored by the current system, might find a way to generate enough money directly to carry on making music. How they get noticed by enough people is the issue, talent will go a long way but not usually far enough, distribution isnt a problem anymore, effective hype is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That 300,000 figure for sales of their last album was how many it sold in the first week. We need to wait longer to see how overall sales compare.</p>
<p>I agree with comments about promotion. When the death of the music industry first became a talked about thing, many years ago now, it became clear that there was a new era in distribution unfolding. But when it comes down to mass marketing, the picture is not so clear. Sure some stuff will go viral on the net without an expensive mainstream media campaign, but even then some of this is due to mainstream media coverage. </p>
<p>In the longterm I am quite interested to see what happens to mass media, if it keeps declining then at some point the era of mass marketing may fall apart and Im not sure if that means the death of all things mega. </p>
<p>Or perhaps nothing so radical will happen, and all we will see is one type of middlemen getting replaced with another. </p>
<p>Actually I suppose my great hope for the internet helping music, would be that talented musicians who would previously have given up and got other jobs after being ignored by the current system, might find a way to generate enough money directly to carry on making music. How they get noticed by enough people is the issue, talent will go a long way but not usually far enough, distribution isnt a problem anymore, effective hype is.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682076</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1682076</guid>
		<description>Their album goes platnium in a week, outselling their previous album by a factor of 6.  They prevent the leaked version from escaping into the wild (and, even more significantly, prevented the unmastered tracks from leaking, like what happened with Hail to the Thief).  And they kept 100% of the profit from their mp3 sales, as opposed to the $1.50-$2.50 per album they would have gotten through a label.  

By all relevant metrics, this "experiment" was a complete success.  And they got a LOT of people to question many assumptions underlying the current business model, including the "going rate" for a new album of ~$15, the necessity of buying a physical CD at all (granted this has been questioned more and more since iTunes' debut), the fact that a large band needs millions of marketing dollars budgeted to "support" a new release, and the utility of a big label machine in the current business environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their album goes platnium in a week, outselling their previous album by a factor of 6.  They prevent the leaked version from escaping into the wild (and, even more significantly, prevented the unmastered tracks from leaking, like what happened with Hail to the Thief).  And they kept 100% of the profit from their mp3 sales, as opposed to the $1.50-$2.50 per album they would have gotten through a label.  </p>
<p>By all relevant metrics, this &#8220;experiment&#8221; was a complete success.  And they got a LOT of people to question many assumptions underlying the current business model, including the &#8220;going rate&#8221; for a new album of ~$15, the necessity of buying a physical CD at all (granted this has been questioned more and more since iTunes&#8217; debut), the fact that a large band needs millions of marketing dollars budgeted to &#8220;support&#8221; a new release, and the utility of a big label machine in the current business environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Gig Production Industry Insider</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681800</link>
		<dc:creator>Gig Production Industry Insider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681800</guid>
		<description>Oh stop your gripping, guys!

This was a fantastic success for both Radiohead and P2P, as EMI's chairman observes.

To 'sell' 6x their previous album (at a much reduced retail price but probably more profitable to the band) *and* have millions more copies floating around via p2p for a negligible outlay means their experiment will go down in history as the beginning of the end of the established recording industry.

And from what I've picked up, pre-orders for their (expensive) 'physical' release are doing very well too.

I'm immensely pleased with the outcome too -- and I don't even like Radiohead...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh stop your gripping, guys!</p>
<p>This was a fantastic success for both Radiohead and P2P, as EMI&#8217;s chairman observes.</p>
<p>To &#8217;sell&#8217; 6x their previous album (at a much reduced retail price but probably more profitable to the band) *and* have millions more copies floating around via p2p for a negligible outlay means their experiment will go down in history as the beginning of the end of the established recording industry.</p>
<p>And from what I&#8217;ve picked up, pre-orders for their (expensive) &#8216;physical&#8217; release are doing very well too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m immensely pleased with the outcome too &#8212; and I don&#8217;t even like Radiohead&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EJ Fox</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681723</link>
		<dc:creator>EJ Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681723</guid>
		<description>I downloaded In Rainbows off BitTorrent- and here's why.

I want In Rainbows to succeed. Of course I could have gotten it off Radiohead's site for free. However when Radiohead is looking over the numbers, or listing off the numbers to other people, I don't want to be another statistic in the ratio of people who downloaded-but-didn't-pay. I'm not a big Radiohead fan, I'd never really delved into their albums before. However after BitTorrenting the album (for free) I bought it from the site (for $11). 

I'm juking the stats for the industry- one less exploitative person for the anti-free-music people to latch onto as to why this didn't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I downloaded In Rainbows off BitTorrent- and here&#8217;s why.</p>
<p>I want In Rainbows to succeed. Of course I could have gotten it off Radiohead&#8217;s site for free. However when Radiohead is looking over the numbers, or listing off the numbers to other people, I don&#8217;t want to be another statistic in the ratio of people who downloaded-but-didn&#8217;t-pay. I&#8217;m not a big Radiohead fan, I&#8217;d never really delved into their albums before. However after BitTorrenting the album (for free) I bought it from the site (for $11). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m juking the stats for the industry- one less exploitative person for the anti-free-music people to latch onto as to why this didn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiros D</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681708</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiros D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681708</guid>
		<description>What point are you trying to make with this post exactly ? I will have agree with Derek, there is no way on the face of this planet on accurately tracking how many times an album had been downloaded via BT: any number you present is sheer speculation. Personally i am deeply disappointed in TC due to this article, instead of trying to think of positive things to say about a brave new move that happened in the industry you are trying to invalidate it by throwing numbers and going down the 'piracy is bad mkay' path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What point are you trying to make with this post exactly ? I will have agree with Derek, there is no way on the face of this planet on accurately tracking how many times an album had been downloaded via BT: any number you present is sheer speculation. Personally i am deeply disappointed in TC due to this article, instead of trying to think of positive things to say about a brave new move that happened in the industry you are trying to invalidate it by throwing numbers and going down the &#8216;piracy is bad mkay&#8217; path.</p>
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		<title>By: Would a 'pay-whatever-you-want' model work? - Affiliate Marketing Forum</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681623</link>
		<dc:creator>Would a 'pay-whatever-you-want' model work? - Affiliate Marketing Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 08:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681623</guid>
		<description>[...] answer's Yes and No. The numbers are in. Downloads from torrents are surpassing even the legit downloads from Radiohead's site.   The good [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] answer&#8217;s Yes and No. The numbers are in. Downloads from torrents are surpassing even the legit downloads from Radiohead&#8217;s site.   The good [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Henk</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681493</link>
		<dc:creator>Henk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681493</guid>
		<description>I bought it 2 days ago from their website. Took me 3 minutes. And made me feel really good :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought it 2 days ago from their website. Took me 3 minutes. And made me feel really good <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681424</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681424</guid>
		<description>When the downloads directly from Radiohead are only 160kbps.. and someone has a leaked promo copy/etc... of COURSE people are going to get the V0 or 320kbps or FLAC versions off of bittorrent..

isnt that quite obvious? many bittorrent users (especially private sites) will not settle for crappy 160kbps files (yes you can tell the difference until 192 where it levels off except for some music where you can tell the difference up to 320kbps/lossless formats). in general MP3 terms, 160kbps files are subpar and 192 and up are "considered" cd quality (even though technically they are not).

Piracy is here to stay and theres no stopping it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the downloads directly from Radiohead are only 160kbps.. and someone has a leaked promo copy/etc&#8230; of COURSE people are going to get the V0 or 320kbps or FLAC versions off of bittorrent..</p>
<p>isnt that quite obvious? many bittorrent users (especially private sites) will not settle for crappy 160kbps files (yes you can tell the difference until 192 where it levels off except for some music where you can tell the difference up to 320kbps/lossless formats). in general MP3 terms, 160kbps files are subpar and 192 and up are &#8220;considered&#8221; cd quality (even though technically they are not).</p>
<p>Piracy is here to stay and theres no stopping it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Krynsky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681374</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Krynsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681374</guid>
		<description>Just like Sam &#38; Mark said the site was crippled on the morning of the release and you couldn't buy it even if you wanted to. 

It looks like they took  the "House of Cards" track to heart which has the lyrics "Infrastructure will collapse" which is what happened when i tried to buy it today

I got it off Bittorrent in the morning and was able to finally pay for it when I got home that night.

Even then it was a very poor ecommerce experience as well that didn't appear to have much thought put into the process.

That said I still applaud Radiohead and hope other bands follow in their steps. Albeit a little more cautiously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like Sam &amp; Mark said the site was crippled on the morning of the release and you couldn&#8217;t buy it even if you wanted to. </p>
<p>It looks like they took  the &#8220;House of Cards&#8221; track to heart which has the lyrics &#8220;Infrastructure will collapse&#8221; which is what happened when i tried to buy it today</p>
<p>I got it off Bittorrent in the morning and was able to finally pay for it when I got home that night.</p>
<p>Even then it was a very poor ecommerce experience as well that didn&#8217;t appear to have much thought put into the process.</p>
<p>That said I still applaud Radiohead and hope other bands follow in their steps. Albeit a little more cautiously.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681361</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681361</guid>
		<description>Aaron, Panic! at the Disco still signed with a label, Decaydance Records (an imprint of Fueled by Ramen). Fueled by Ramen distribute through Atlantic Records. Although Pete Wentz came into contact with them via the Internet (LiveJournal apparently) you still need to question what role Atlantic ultimately had in their success. I'd suggest, since Atlantic physically got the record into stores (because they had these previously existing relationships and huge distribution network), it'd be a hell of a lot.

I'm still torn by this whole 'free' music idea. Not because I support what the industry is doing to these artists but simply because I can't see another viable way for a) these artists to make any money doing it on their own and b) why another company would get involved in sales, marketing and distribution if they're not going to get a descent share of the pie.

In my opinion, people who illegally download the tracks via P2P networks or illegally burn a copy from a friend don't truly appreciate the artist at all (okay, if you went back and legally bought it you're forgiven). Yes these people appreciate the music but not the effort it took to create and promote it. It's this attitude that has to change - the attitude that the Web largely supports, that even though we see tremendous value in a product/service, we shouldn't have to pay for it.  "Just add advertising and make it free".

To me this Radiohead effort is a little overrated. If it weren't for their previous popularity they wouldn't have generated the huge amount of press that made this effort of theirs a success (or is it?).  And who was responsible for their previous success? A fair chunk of it a record label (or multiple labels). I'd like to know what they actually made from their 1.2 million sales. Are the sales (remember you could have paid 0 pounds for this) greater than what they would of made on their previous album (selling 300,000 for a fee)?

Either way, I think the industry does need to change. It's going to be fun to watch it go through this process. And no, I don't know the perfect answer either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, Panic! at the Disco still signed with a label, Decaydance Records (an imprint of Fueled by Ramen). Fueled by Ramen distribute through Atlantic Records. Although Pete Wentz came into contact with them via the Internet (LiveJournal apparently) you still need to question what role Atlantic ultimately had in their success. I&#8217;d suggest, since Atlantic physically got the record into stores (because they had these previously existing relationships and huge distribution network), it&#8217;d be a hell of a lot.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still torn by this whole &#8216;free&#8217; music idea. Not because I support what the industry is doing to these artists but simply because I can&#8217;t see another viable way for a) these artists to make any money doing it on their own and b) why another company would get involved in sales, marketing and distribution if they&#8217;re not going to get a descent share of the pie.</p>
<p>In my opinion, people who illegally download the tracks via P2P networks or illegally burn a copy from a friend don&#8217;t truly appreciate the artist at all (okay, if you went back and legally bought it you&#8217;re forgiven). Yes these people appreciate the music but not the effort it took to create and promote it. It&#8217;s this attitude that has to change - the attitude that the Web largely supports, that even though we see tremendous value in a product/service, we shouldn&#8217;t have to pay for it.  &#8220;Just add advertising and make it free&#8221;.</p>
<p>To me this Radiohead effort is a little overrated. If it weren&#8217;t for their previous popularity they wouldn&#8217;t have generated the huge amount of press that made this effort of theirs a success (or is it?).  And who was responsible for their previous success? A fair chunk of it a record label (or multiple labels). I&#8217;d like to know what they actually made from their 1.2 million sales. Are the sales (remember you could have paid 0 pounds for this) greater than what they would of made on their previous album (selling 300,000 for a fee)?</p>
<p>Either way, I think the industry does need to change. It&#8217;s going to be fun to watch it go through this process. And no, I don&#8217;t know the perfect answer either.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim G</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681347</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681347</guid>
		<description>I downloaded the album off of p2p on the first day because I could not get to the over loaded servers to buy it on day one, I have since been able to go back and pay $5 for it. So these numbers are way off, there are three people I work with that all did the exact same thing, someone ought to rethink these numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I downloaded the album off of p2p on the first day because I could not get to the over loaded servers to buy it on day one, I have since been able to go back and pay $5 for it. So these numbers are way off, there are three people I work with that all did the exact same thing, someone ought to rethink these numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681329</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681329</guid>
		<description>to echo some other comments, I know of a number of people who have gotten their copy via P2P but have ALSO paid for it via Radioheads website.

A key and not fully explored point here is that unlike nearly all other groups, Radiohead has now given their fans a clear way to send them a direct signal of support, tailored to that individual fan's own budget. 

I am probably going to buy the digital album, likely for about $10 - in no small part because lots of my friends have been raving about the album and I want to support Radiohead's move. I hope that besides releasing the raw number of sales they also release some details about average price and other stats (and ideally release the full dataset to researchers for other analysis).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to echo some other comments, I know of a number of people who have gotten their copy via P2P but have ALSO paid for it via Radioheads website.</p>
<p>A key and not fully explored point here is that unlike nearly all other groups, Radiohead has now given their fans a clear way to send them a direct signal of support, tailored to that individual fan&#8217;s own budget. </p>
<p>I am probably going to buy the digital album, likely for about $10 - in no small part because lots of my friends have been raving about the album and I want to support Radiohead&#8217;s move. I hope that besides releasing the raw number of sales they also release some details about average price and other stats (and ideally release the full dataset to researchers for other analysis).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681215</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 03:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681215</guid>
		<description>Derek,

Those numbers are from BigChampagne, which has been tracking P2P transfers for quite a while. Their clients include most of the major record labels. Their methodology is pretty solid (their CEO gave a presentation to some people at my company including me).

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Derek,</p>
<p>Those numbers are from BigChampagne, which has been tracking P2P transfers for quite a while. Their clients include most of the major record labels. Their methodology is pretty solid (their CEO gave a presentation to some people at my company including me).</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681183</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681183</guid>
		<description>Look ... behavior is hard to change. And probably not everybody knew about what Radiohead was doing. I think the experiment is a success. We just need to see if it is repeatable with a little more marketing and probably more infrastructure so the experience is good for consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look &#8230; behavior is hard to change. And probably not everybody knew about what Radiohead was doing. I think the experiment is a success. We just need to see if it is repeatable with a little more marketing and probably more infrastructure so the experience is good for consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681121</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681121</guid>
		<description>A number of people have admitted to getting the album on bitTorrent because the site was so bogged down the day of release, and some of those people said they went back and paid for the album after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of people have admitted to getting the album on bitTorrent because the site was so bogged down the day of release, and some of those people said they went back and paid for the album after.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Gonzalez</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681097</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Gonzalez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681097</guid>
		<description>Morgan - The propriety of copyright law has been a matter long debated all the way back to the Statue of Anne.

I think music's current state needs a more pragmatic approach than continuing the debate over intellectual property rights. Piracy is here and the costs of enforcing these laws seem extremely expensive, even just domestically. It took the RIAA a long time and a lot of money to bring just their first case to court. That doesn't even consider the costs of enforcing it internationally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgan - The propriety of copyright law has been a matter long debated all the way back to the Statue of Anne.</p>
<p>I think music&#8217;s current state needs a more pragmatic approach than continuing the debate over intellectual property rights. Piracy is here and the costs of enforcing these laws seem extremely expensive, even just domestically. It took the RIAA a long time and a lot of money to bring just their first case to court. That doesn&#8217;t even consider the costs of enforcing it internationally.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681092</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681092</guid>
		<description>I don't care much for forbes, it's a reminds me how greedy people are.  

I also don't think it's worth the money for 160kpbs MP3, when a CD sounds much better to me and costs only $3-5 more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care much for forbes, it&#8217;s a reminds me how greedy people are.  </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s worth the money for 160kpbs MP3, when a CD sounds much better to me and costs only $3-5 more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Mah</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681076</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Mah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 02:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681076</guid>
		<description>So what there's P2P music sharing going on still?

Radiohead = True passion.

All of you techies and entrepreneurs aren't 100% about the money making... same thing applies to radio head.

Cheers to them and the entire recording industry!  

~ Jessica Mah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what there&#8217;s P2P music sharing going on still?</p>
<p>Radiohead = True passion.</p>
<p>All of you techies and entrepreneurs aren&#8217;t 100% about the money making&#8230; same thing applies to radio head.</p>
<p>Cheers to them and the entire recording industry!  </p>
<p>~ Jessica Mah</p>
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		<title>By: Cesar Cardoso</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681053</link>
		<dc:creator>Cesar Cardoso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 01:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/17/even-free-cant-compete-with-music-piracy/#comment-1681053</guid>
		<description>"Even free can't compete with music piracy" because of the recording industry war against their own customers. If they haven't declared war in 2000, now we should have had a healthy non-DRM'ed digital music marketplace.

Sorry, Nick, trolling post.

(and yes, I bought the album.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Even free can&#8217;t compete with music piracy&#8221; because of the recording industry war against their own customers. If they haven&#8217;t declared war in 2000, now we should have had a healthy non-DRM&#8217;ed digital music marketplace.</p>
<p>Sorry, Nick, trolling post.</p>
<p>(and yes, I bought the album.)</p>
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