50x Faster Than BitTorrent: I Want

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1. Nate
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 12:37 am

   PHP: European
   Linux: European
   MP3: European

   What’s with the assumption that the US dominates the web?

2. Kid Slimmer
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 12:39 am

   Considering the amount of Chinese people on the planet, it is inevitable that they will become dominant in culture, technology, language, and everything else.

3. Duncan Riley
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 12:43 am

   Nate
   fair call, although I was it’s not unfair to say that overall the US (and the Valley in particular) has dominated the web. It’s changing, but I think with more broadband users that the US in the next 12-18 months China will become a new global internet powerhouse that will compete directly with the US.

4. Allen Stern
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 12:52 am

   Duncan - do they talk about the cost for this superfast internet and do they offer plan options w/speed/cost? I hope we see more options as speed and quality increase- my mom for example doesn’t need more than something that is “always-on” vs. me, etc.

   I will say that I got 1 mb download yesterday - first time I have ever seen that outside of the corporate environment!

5. Johnny
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 12:54 am

   Does it really matter? As long as the web is constantly moving forward I believe origins are meaningless…..

6. Fake Michael Arrington
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 1:10 am

   Well USA sure doesnt dominate the web, consider the technologies pointed out by nate on top of that… we dont even feature in top countries for internet bandwidth. Think about the internet connections those homes in south korea have?
   Just coz of the valley we canft say we dominate,it is only the people who make money out of web who dominate here not the common consumer…

7. fz
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 am

   I can watch 24 streaming from tv-links after waiting for 0 minutes.

8. Duncan Riley
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 1:17 am

   Johnny (#5)
   as a non-American I totally agree, but there is some xenophobia in the US when it comes to China in particular. It’s also interesting as an observer to note that web development is more free in a communist country than the US.

9. The Business of Software
   

   October 16th, 2007 at 1:17 am

   Re internet speed, I think the technology is now available worldwide. What keeps it from being rolled out is the vested interests of phone and cable companies.

10. Eric
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:23 am

    I for one, would like to welcome our new p2p overlords.

11. John So
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:28 am

    I believe that report is tainted. Most of their newly built communities are connected with real fiber, making it very fast for internal traffic. However you probably won’t see the 50x faster traffic if you have to get across the Great Firewall of China.

12. Rajeev
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:34 am

    Success breeds agression be it company or countries, and necessity and a need to prove and limited resources to innovation.

13. Pierre Col | UbicMedia
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:45 am

    Relating this post to the previous post yesterday about declining dollar :

    Do the average american citizen really know that about one half of US debt is now hold by the Chinese government and rich citizens ?

    Do the average american citizen really understand the consequences of that, and how much it will be uncomfortable for US citizens to maintain their situation in the futrure ?

    I do not think so… and I imagine their reaction when they will realize how much deep the trap is !

14. Duncan Riley
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:49 am

    Peirre
    probably not, the bastion of western democracy is also the most apathetic nation of them all as well. I’ve never understood that, but I’m not American.

15. Christoph Wagner
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:55 am

    Damn, Chinese Comments in OS Software

16. Ryan Spahn
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:11 am

    Quick someone translate blin.cn to an english website along with the software!

    Any Chinese/English bloggers here?

17. Alex
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:16 am

    #13 Pierre,

    You are correct! It is very sad!

    I would wager that 8 of 10 Americans DO NOT know the capital of Canada. On this board I bet 7 of 10 Gringos don’t know.

18. Marc Fiszman
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:29 am

    What a weird post.

19. David N. Welton
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:45 am

    Hey, if they come up with something good, it’s not like we’ll have to pay for it. We’ll just copy it…

20. gregory
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 3:08 am

    happy to see that techcrunch is pointing out a bit of the ignorance in america…. i have never seen so much complacency as in los gatos about the state of the world and america’s role in that….

21. Darryl Collins
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 3:59 am

    Can anyone tell me the name of the media player that Kaiser Kuo mentioned? Said it could play “any format know to man”. I have played the video a few times and can’t pick up the name - don’t know if it is chinese or I just can’t hear! Thanks.

22. sam
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 4:06 am

    Probably the shittiest quality interview I have ever seen — both in video quality and content. Looks like this guy hasn’t got his Asian fill in Thailand — remind me how he is an expert on China without speaking the language again?

23. john
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 4:30 am

    Here’s an interesting website to follow China’s Internet development:
    http://www.chinamemes.com/

24. Marko
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 4:51 am

    And the Chinese do not worry about software patents. Programmers just can code, instead of submitting every idea to a legal team.

25. Krixxr
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:08 am

    You start wondering where India is in all this. Streamlining their call centers? Any 1.3 billion dollar Indian IPO lately from the IT sector?

26. James Seng
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:40 am

    It is also interested to note that the first p2p tv (pplive.com) was launch in China with a handful of other clones, all in China based on a technology done by Chinese researchers (google for Coolstreaming) 4 years ago.

    Today, Joost is still nowhere near what pplive can offer.

27. Wayland
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:47 am

    #21, As it says in the “about us” page, they pointed out that with the technology they called “POT” and “UDNP” it can forward and backward without losing the current downloading pieces. And the software has it’s own protocol as well.
    I am a Chinese, but i dont know much about P2P but i know there is a more famous company called xunlei.com who has already providing video streamming with p2p softwares.

28. WizCoder
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:58 am

    50x? P2P has progressed

29. Marcel
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:58 am

    When you say China gives more freedom to its citizens then the Americans, you may be ferering to the freedom to innovate with technologies for p2p. Because if you think, there is not even freedom on the internet there period. The hole thing is censured by the gov. and a bunch of content is just blocked. I would have to disagre with this point.

    What is the point of building this awesome technology to stream or share stuff, but the stuff has to be allowed by your gov, or you will be sent to a boot camp.

    I say $¨%& with the RIAA, but still believe there is more freedom to innovate in US then in China.

30. Meik
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:02 am

    “… and not good ol’ fashioned American know-how.” made me laugh.

31. Norman
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:06 am

    Good or bad, p2p is the killer of IP. Creativity will be discouraged.

    Norman
    blog: http://familyresource4u.wordpress.com

32. Vijay Chakravarthy
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:12 am

    Yeah, sometimes I read Techcrunch on my iPhone using edge. Right now I’m reading it using broadband at my home.

    Conclusion - Firefox is 50 times faster than Safari.

33. Jamie
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:18 am

    WWW:European

34. Norman
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:32 am

    The innovation in american was not only cultured by freedom but more by finanal interests. Not only by inventors, also by venture capitalists. Without the payback of stock options, not one will support the inventions. It is the systems of america which makes US a center of inventions.

35. ghoti
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:37 am

    As an American who has lived in China, one of the ironies I noted was that, in certain ways, one has more freedom in China than the US.

    For example, I could freely drink and drive in China - and even kill a pedestrian in my drunken stupor, as long as he is nobody influential (and that’s about a 9 out of 10 bet).

    These freedoms extend to development. But, make no mistake, China is a police state, and can take away all of your freedoms in the blink of an eye. They regularly do.

    On the other hand, I can’t help but wonder when people will awaken to the fact that onerous legal requirements, copyrights, ISO standards, etc. will kill Western innovation and business.

    The irony is not that a “communist” country is developing faster than a capitalist one. The irony is that the “capitalist” country is more anti-innovation.

36. Chris Przybycien
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:38 am

    More freedom to innovate massive IP infringement engines is less freedom to make money off your IP. Is this really a good thing?

37. Pierre Col | UbicMedia
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 7:10 am

    Considering how P2P protocols are working, one have to know that the global capacity and the global broadband of a P2P network depends only of the number of nodes (the PCs) and the bandwidth (upstream and downstream) allowed by each node to the P2p exchanges.

    A new technology, even chinese, cannot magically multiply by 50 this capacity, all things being comparable.

    It is important to consider “50 times faster” differently from “allowing to start watching after only 2% download time” compared to “after having waited for 100% download”…

    “Progressive P2P” already exists, it is totally similar to “progressive download” used by Youtube, a little bit more complicated because the P2P algorithm implemented in the nodes needs to try to send/receive the bytes “located at the beginning of the file” first, in order to allow to start reading the file “as soon as possible”…

    Some “progressive P2P” technologies have been succesfully developed by US and European companies for years, I do really not see what Blin.cn brings so disruptive. I suppose that Mr Kuo is not very aware of P2P technologies

    That being said, it is true that P2P technologies, both “regular” and “progressive”, are the solution of choice to allow content providers to widely distribute heavy contents (movies, TV series in DVD quality today, HD quality tomorrow) for the lowest possible cost.

38. Anonymous CowHerd
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 7:33 am

    Duncan,

    The apathy in Western Civilization actually has historical precedent. Prior to the fall of Rome, the same apathy took hold. They were the best. They didn’t have to prove it, they didn’t have to take pride in it, it just was. As such, politics took the place of patriotism and national pride.

    The US is headed in this same direction, and has been for quite some time. No need for Terrorists or ’security breahces’. The US will take care of disposing of itself quite nicely.

    Barring a situation like that of Rome to hasten the US downfall, there *will* be civil war within 10 years. Of that I have no doubt.

    Many folks have already begun immigration to other countries, the Congress has the lowest approval rating *ever*, and the current president is more vilified than Osama bin-Laden in the US press. Drive the nail in, she’s done.

    It was a grand experiment. Hopefully people will learn from it.

39. Nick
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 7:48 am

    what was the name of the media player he is talking about that can play every media format known to man?

    He says it a little fast for me to make out what it says, balfum of something??

40. news4vip
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 8:39 am

    Fanatics of the P2P super power gave birth to the devil.
    It is the strongest P2P file sharing system Share NT.
    And, Because UDP is used, even the band limiting that the internet service provider does is exceeded.

    Reference
    Share (P2P) - Wikipedia
    Share NT - 2ch.ru

41. Rick
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 8:49 am

    The media player he mentions is Baofeng.

42. JP
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 8:55 am

    38: You’re a complete idiot. Hopefully that can be blamed on drug abuse, but unfortunately for you I suspect you are just retarded.

43. JP
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 9:06 am

    Duncan, you need to start fact checking, and actually, just plain common sense checking your articles. Or Mike needs to step up and do it for you. Much of what you write lately is pure crap.

    1. Blin.cn is —-NOT— 50 times faster than BitTorrent *unless* you are behind “the great firewall”.
    * Fiber connections abroad are great for internal traffic but don’t do much for global internet speeds. Case in point, the many 12-100mb connections available in asia perform like crap when accessing any content from abroad. The bottleneck is still present and will be for some time.

    2. You are completely off base here:

    “imagine that today companies in China have already created the next wave of P2P innovation and are thriving, perhaps ironically in a Communist country, with more freedoms than their American counterparts. It’s not unreasonable to consider that next year and into the future that much of what we do online may end up being based on Chinese designed technology and programming”
    ______

    More freedoms? Are you kidding? They have no copyright or IP enforcement or protection, of that’s what you mean. And many a technology has been ripped off there, so where’s the innovation? Is that a good thing? I don’t think it is. You shouldn’t either since the only thing you produce is IP.

44. JP
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 9:20 am

    13: Big deal. Your point is what?
    FYI, this phenomenon in some form has existed for years. Please share your doom and gloom situation with me.

45. wsh
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    It sucks! If you want to watch its movie, the blin player will eat up all your bandwidth and show you some moving pictures!

    PPLive and PPstream are the hottest p2p tv software. Blin? huh,who knows

46. phenom
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 9:44 am

    I believe origins do not really matter with the continuous growth of internet.

    http://vidsonly.blogspot.com

47. ...
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:10 am

    As someone who lives outside North America, I see a very bleak future for US innovation. The patent system ironically destroys the innovation that it was meant to protect.

    I would certainly think twice before I do business there, because the chances of a lawyer stopping me is too great.

48. WTL
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:10 am

    Wow, do you guys have any idea on who Kaiser Kuo is?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Kuo

    He’s the founding member of the legendary Chinese band, Tang Dynasty.

    It’s the equivalent of having a founding guitarist of Led Zeppelin working for you …

49. JP
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:21 am

    48: Now it makes more sense as to why he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I suppose he is as much of an “internet expert” as Kim Jong Ill declares himself to be. He better stick to boy bands.

50. Alex
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Kaiser Kuo is a badass.

51. JP
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:27 am

    47:

    “As someone who lives outside North America, I see a very bleak future for US innovation.”

    What a statement. Talk about vested interest, or just wishful thinking. Typical anti-american bs from an ignorant moron.

    I don’t doubt that much of the world outside of the US will continue to innovate and create new technologies, but when you start making idiotic statements such as this you lose all credibility. The patent system has been around for a very long time and it hasn’t stopped innovation, so why would it suddenly create a “very bleak future” for the US now? Answer, it won’t. There are many, many other factors involved that create success. And while the patent system needs overhaul (and will likely get it eventually), it also has many positive merits besides it’s problems. I would rather have some form of patent system than a complete lack of IP protection that exist in other places. If you are afraid of lawyers preventing you from “innovating”, than most likely you aren’t “innovating” at all, you’re copying or reusing someone’s technology for a new purpose (which can be done legally through licensing).

52. Long Dong
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:37 am

    I have developed a p2p technology that’s 100x faster than bittorrent: I call it a gbit switch.

53. Greg
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:47 am

    So theft and piracy is really taking off in China? That’s news? Yea, I’m not too worried.

54. Streaker
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 10:54 am

    How fast do you think he could download video of the Tiananmen Square Massacre?

55. Larry Chiang
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 11:11 am

    People drive crazy in T Sq

56. Greg
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 11:13 am

    @Streaker well said

57. -= the apostle=-
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Would the Chinese government consider it a good thing if Western Intellectual Property was being consumed entirely for free by their “citizens”? I’m guessing that they would.

    I see trade sanctions looming for China and other countries who are encouraging the wholesale violation of U.S copyrights. Well, maybe one day if we ever get another Congress that has any balls. Our current Congress might as well be a 60’s love-in commune as ineffectual as they’ve been.

58. KwangErn
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    Thing about China is the low entry barrier and very high competition. Naturally, the people strive to compete within their own people to get to the top.

    Nothing can stop China. Though, it’d be important to know the right people to make it too, with or without money.

    Chinese rules.

59. tictac
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    @the dumb apostle- “sanction” what? All the cheap stuff sold on American store shelves and watch the storm roll in?

60. tictac
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    @KwangErn: Chinese only “rules” only because western greed lets it.

61. Andrew
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

    Anyone using TVAnts or Sopcast knows the Chinese are way ahead in the p2p space.

62. Derek Scruggs
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    “I see trade sanctions looming for China and other countries who are encouraging the wholesale violation of U.S copyrights”

    A trade war with China would be suicide. Besides, they’re part of the WTO so it’s very hard to place sanctions on them without a boatload of diplomacy first.

63. Derek Scruggs
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    tictac, I think by “Chinese rules” he meant the Mandarin language.

64. lemon obrien
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:17 pm

    don’t worry about the p2p guys…

    we’re making something that will blow your minds.

65. -= the apostle=-
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    @tictac - Sorry if that wasn’t understood. This would be in the form of higher tariffs on products coming into this country from China. No need to insult me if you’re trying to get a point of clarification.

66. Jaymon
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    “Do the average american citizen really know that about one half of US debt is now hold by the Chinese government and rich citizens ?”

    Last I checked, holding 420 billion out of 9 trillion was not half, but maybe my math is off. Heck, China doesn’t even hold as much as Japan does of our debt…

67. skzo
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

    PHP: European
    Linux: European
    MP3: European

    What’s with the assumption that the US dominates the web?

    lol, further than that:

    web: european

68. Ori
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Don’t place all the blame on the RIAA/MPAA. The reason that China has such amazing P2P bandwidth is because the Government actually invested in high-speed linkages between all the cities along the coast.

    It is the sad state of US internet infrastructure, not frivolous lawsuits, that has greatly dented America’s development. Look at places like South Korea and Japan that have also invested in infrastructure, they also far surpass the US in every measure when it comes to net use and profit.

69. yaright
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pm

    PHP: European
    Linux: European
    MP3: European

    What’s with the assumption that the US dominates the web?

    ——-

    there is none. the fact is that US dominates the foundation of technologies.

    php built from perl = .us
    linux built because of unix = .us
    mp3 built from mpeg = .us

    so if you want to say that euros have to wait for something good to build on and that means us != web, that’s fine. just hope we don’t drag our feet with future technologies, you might have to create something without holding onto our coattails.

    but nice try (hurts to look under the rug, don’t it).

70. YouIdiot
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

    @Streaker
    How fast do you think he could download video of the Tiananmen Square Massacre?

    Faster than “Napalm kills innocents kids in Vietnam”, “Bush has killed more people than Saddam in Iraq”, “First nuclear bomb was not Japanese” and so on…

71. Eddie
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    The new operating system leopard for apple will be able to translate the Blin.com website from Chinese to English!!!! very exciting.

72. asdfca
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    using a 25 mbs connection and a good private bittorrent site it actually takes me about 5 mins to get a show in normal hdtv resolution (350 mb)… and that is with good pre’s not some getho chinese p2p.. so I win

73. desik
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    Think its probably time to Upgrade , Re-brand and Reboot the American Dream as the Chinese want to be Californian Dreamers too…

    You have stuff to learn from them as well

    We all do

74. JoeTech.com
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    I dislike the RIAA and the MPAA as much as the next guy, but…

    One thing that has to be pointed out here is that China doesn’t have much reason to play watch dog over pirates, other than to maintain international relations. As it is, they are a major supplier for physical bootlegs and knock-offs.

    Besides that, nobody is stopping U.S. programmers from innovating. The premise of P2P is not illegal. Using the technology to pirate is. Anyone state-side should be just as limitless in their ability to innovate in that arena. Public beta testing might be a hurdle, though.

75. J
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:10 pm

    Other countries are far superior in technology. HD is already a norm =\.

76. Mike
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    yaright - what you mean like the jet engine that Europeans gave to you? Similarly the difference engine? You know the thing that started the whole computing thing way back when C. Babbage was around. If you want to start looking under the rug start at the floor and even under the floor not attached to the bottom of that rug. If we want to be smart about it Boolean Logic - An English/Irish man, Punch Card - French. Remember that most people in the US are descended from Europeans.

    The original complaint before you started getting all hissy fitted was that the article suggest that this development is beating the “American know how” without mention of the rest of the world.

    On someone else’s point the fact is simply put that America has a lot to learn. Kids there are definitely getting a much lower quality of education compared to many places in Europe. This certainly doesn’t help development of new ideas nor does the stifling of ideas by many schools in the Creation vs evolution debate. Science as a field is where concepts need to be shown and let the mind of the individual make up their own choice.

    I don’t believe in god my partner does, I wont ever force my point of view on them, I will happily discuss it with them however without ending in an “I’m right and you are wrong” situation. This just highlights one reason why North America is loosing out to the western pacific area. Just not moving with the times and accepting not everyone has the same point of view or opinion on things.

77. jerry
    

    October 16th, 2007 at 7:21 pm

    More peers is the reason that it is easier to get better P2P solutions in China. The following live streaming solutions is amazing by the speed and quality, even the content is piracy as BT used to be,

    QQlive, very good quality, also very popular since it is a brach of QQ.com, the majority of Chinese IM software, 50 stuffs. http://tv.qq.com/download.htm

    TVKoo, the smart software which could be run in most continet, with the best quality globally, most piracy content, less than 10 researchers. http://www.tvkoo.com/en/download.htm

    pplive, the most popular software in China, many venture capitals invested, some piracy content, 100 stuffs. http://www.pplive.com/zh-cn/download.html

    PPstream, good quality and website, some piracy content, also invested by some oversea veture capitals, 80 stuffs.http://www.ppstream.com/download.html

    Sogou, a software which is good enough when there are a few users concurrently, invested by Sohu.com, one of the majoy web in China, piracy content, 20-30 researchers. http://tv.sohu.com/zhibo/

    Sinalive, a software with TVkoo, PPstream P2P engine inside, legal content, mostly formal users, 20 stuffs as a branch of sina.com, the most popular news web in China. http://uc.sina.com.cn/download......4.0.0.exe

    All above are free to download. After you tried them, you will find the gap between those Chinese P2P live solutions and western competitors.

78. BvTaa
    

    October 17th, 2007 at 2:06 am

    Bittorrent is more than performing good enough, it’s just the poor upload speeds of people that make the difference.

79. Norman
    

    October 17th, 2007 at 5:36 am

    Yesterday I downloaded their software and started to have a free try: first, it is relative fast but not DVD quality, or may be just VCD or VHS quality at most, second, it is very expensive at $46 per sixth months. Chinese DVD costs ca $7-8 per for a 25 episodes DVD series or $1-2 for each movie DVD. At the end of the day , i would rather to buy dvd (legal copy, of cause) from 136888.com

80. QQque
    

    October 17th, 2007 at 6:33 am

    Wow Nate… the irony is delicious.

    “What’s with the assumption that the US dominates the web?”

    How about because it’s American originated technology that even enabled your ridiculous whining.

    * You linked to this website with a 90% or so probablity that you’re using a Windows variant OS, from America. Even if you’re using Linux… it’s based on Unix, again from America.

    * The processor that runs said OS.. again highly probable that it was made by an American company, this time Intel or AMD.

    * The hard drive your complaint is stored on? Originally produced by IBM in the 1950s.

    * The internet that you used to see this site? Originally Arpanet… from the US.

    * The protocol that ensured your data made it from your PC to this web server? IP… made at Stanford based off a prior system of radios implemented in Hawaii… in the USA. (Improved with help from England for IPv3-4)

    Not to mention that many of the movies, music, and software being pirated on this new P2P network are American in origin. The people watching these movies may have even had chicken from one of KFC’s 1800 Chinese locations…

    Perhaps that’s where the assumption comes from. Sure the US is in decline as a super power… our day in the sun is nearly over. Just like it was for Europe… 400 years ago if you’re Continental, 100 years ago if you’re a Brit.

    Hope you (or your kids more like, if Europeans had kids anymore) like Dim Sum and wontons. You can eat that while watch a holographic news vid about the Ethiopians’ callous disregard for Chinese intellectual property.

81. Meep
    

    October 17th, 2007 at 7:02 am

    Wow QQque…the irony is delicious.

    The page you’re reading was encoded in HTML which is a European technology.
    You’re comment was submitted over a medium called HTTP which is a European technology. (CERN/W3C).

    Actually Linux was inspired by Minix, which is, guess what, European. Created by Andrew S. Tanenbaum at Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam.

    Oh, and both your CPU and hard drive was probably manufactured by some underpaid Chinese kid.

    And…IP does not ensure that data made it from your PC to the web server, you know, there is TCP for that.

    …or maybe we could just skip this ridiculous flame war. USA produces a lot of good things and a lot of crap too, the same goes for Europe. I’ve accepted that, can you?

82. QQque
    

    October 17th, 2007 at 7:21 am

    Eh, it’s late to argue semantics. IP doesn’t ‘ensure’, you’re right. It enables communication via being routable. If you saw the last part… none of it matters anyways. Even if the US is/was great, it isn’t going to(won’t) last. But it won’t last forever for the Chinese either… such is the nature of things.

    Yeah, it was assembled by a poor chinese kid, from parts fabbed in germany, with instruction manuals printed in mexico. It’s called globalisation… another reason why Nate is ironic. Apparently he get’s misty eyed for a time before American imperialism… such as conquering China using opium, like civilized people.

    Linux uses core components and concepts from Unix… Linus could have been ‘inspired’ by the freakin Mona Lisa… doesn’t mean that’s where he got the system architectures from, etc. Not to put too fine of a point on it… SCO didn’t give a crap about Minix when they sued different Linux users/vendors and neither did the court systems. The only people who care about Minix are… ridiculous flame warriors.

    But lets just face it… you’re having just as much fun epeening by correcting IP with TCP as I am laughing at sour grapes Nate. I’m not saying Europe doesn’t export things.. take philosophy… like facism and communism. Where would the world be without those? lol

83. FifthJohn
    

    October 18th, 2007 at 8:47 am

    #38: “They were the best. They didn’t have to prove it, they didn’t have to take pride in it, it just was.”

    But, honestly, isn’t this just a human trait? What nationality *doesn’t* think they are the “best”?

84. John Kuo
    

    October 22nd, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    Can’t believe I didn’t notice this earlier, since Kaiser Kuo is my brother… lol.

    The video was taken as an ambush interview with a cheap phone and after numerous beers, I was told. Kaiser is generally more eloquent.

    Anyways, he explains this a bit on his own Ogilivy blog: http://digitalwatch.ogilvy.com.cn/en/?p=132

85. boogers
    

    November 11th, 2007 at 2:03 am

    who cares? 24 sucks.

86. Johnny Appleseed
    

    November 11th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    I love the anti-American sentiment. It makes me fully see how the rest of the world has a collective “small man’s disease” when they compare themselves to us. Blind yourselves to everything this country has done for technology, and respond with “linux, php, etc.”. Absolutely amazing.