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	<title>Comments on: Facebook Debate: Valuation, Value To Developers and Random Ad Hominem Attacks</title>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1675319</link>
		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@13 - James: I could not agree with you more. It is the history of progress. Some guys somewhere thinking about some what if. I will write about it on my blog. Thank you for the idea for a topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@13 &#8211; James: I could not agree with you more. It is the history of progress. Some guys somewhere thinking about some what if. I will write about it on my blog. Thank you for the idea for a topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Hammer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1671965</link>
		<dc:creator>Hammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On november 5th, say goodbye to facebook.

SELL NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On november 5th, say goodbye to facebook.</p>
<p>SELL NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: vcastprofiles</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1671449</link>
		<dc:creator>vcastprofiles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Technical Product Service Demands Social Networks...&lt;/strong&gt;

I have come to the conclusion, based on my past experience as a professional trainer of technical specialists, and in my current experience as an IT industry product strategy sector analyst, that the current upheaval and innovation in Social Networking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Technical Product Service Demands Social Networks&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I have come to the conclusion, based on my past experience as a professional trainer of technical specialists, and in my current experience as an IT industry product strategy sector analyst, that the current upheaval and innovation in Social Networking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Witt</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1671298</link>
		<dc:creator>James Witt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After watching the video from that panel I have to say that this was definitely not the best panel ever. Not by a long shot.

I found most of what was said to be trivial and obvious. Jason Calacanis was the only one who had anything insightful to say: namely that everyone else is a fan-boy.

Listen up people: The real innovators who will create the next Google/Facebook/whatever are not the people who watch or attend this conference. The next innovators are three random dudes that you&#039;ve never heard of in a garage somewhere. So stop reading the hype. The hype is not here. It&#039;s somewhere else where you are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching the video from that panel I have to say that this was definitely not the best panel ever. Not by a long shot.</p>
<p>I found most of what was said to be trivial and obvious. Jason Calacanis was the only one who had anything insightful to say: namely that everyone else is a fan-boy.</p>
<p>Listen up people: The real innovators who will create the next Google/Facebook/whatever are not the people who watch or attend this conference. The next innovators are three random dudes that you&#8217;ve never heard of in a garage somewhere. So stop reading the hype. The hype is not here. It&#8217;s somewhere else where you are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Veiga "Dent VII"</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felipe Veiga "Dent VII"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 04:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Facebook has lost its optimal point of selling. Even thou it is said to be worthy way more than what was asked, Facebook has many tough competitors to beat, and Google will not let this as is; look at orkut at Asia and western europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Facebook has lost its optimal point of selling. Even thou it is said to be worthy way more than what was asked, Facebook has many tough competitors to beat, and Google will not let this as is; look at orkut at Asia and western europe.</p>
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		<title>By: Fabian Schonholz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabian Schonholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just finished watching the video. Some good parts ... and some .... please wake me up.

Regarding valuation, valuation changes over time and it is normally based on a short horizon of possibilities. Otherwise I could say that Google is worth some infinite amount because in some distant future the company would be doing some infinite amount of revenue.

And at the basic level, the per share value of a public company is based on offer and demand and the schizophrenics ramblings of analysts ;)

In the end, the value and valuation of a company is what somebody agrees to pay for it provider that the seller accepts the offer.

I still sustain that Facebook will give Google a run for their money, but they need some real productivity applications deployed  there.

http://www.fabianschonholz.com/2007/09/26/i-do-not-get-facebook/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just finished watching the video. Some good parts &#8230; and some &#8230;. please wake me up.</p>
<p>Regarding valuation, valuation changes over time and it is normally based on a short horizon of possibilities. Otherwise I could say that Google is worth some infinite amount because in some distant future the company would be doing some infinite amount of revenue.</p>
<p>And at the basic level, the per share value of a public company is based on offer and demand and the schizophrenics ramblings of analysts <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the end, the value and valuation of a company is what somebody agrees to pay for it provider that the seller accepts the offer.</p>
<p>I still sustain that Facebook will give Google a run for their money, but they need some real productivity applications deployed  there.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fabianschonholz.com/2007/09/26/i-do-not-get-facebook/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.fabianschonholz.com/2007/09/26/i-do-not-get-facebook/'>http://www.fabi...t-get-facebook/</a></p>
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		<title>By: chrisco</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1671101</link>
		<dc:creator>chrisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 03:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The root of Facebook&#039;s success is simply the domain name.  http://buzzpal.com/cowbook.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The root of Facebook&#8217;s success is simply the domain name.  <a href="http://buzzpal.com/cowbook.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://buzzpal.com/cowbook.html'>http://buzzpal....om/cowbook.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gil</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1670852</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic conference! Great job Dave! And I must say Mike... that panel was the funniest and most interesting panel of the entire conference! I particularly liked Mike&#039;s non-leading questions to the audience... ;) It was really a very good panel discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic conference! Great job Dave! And I must say Mike&#8230; that panel was the funniest and most interesting panel of the entire conference! I particularly liked Mike&#8217;s non-leading questions to the audience&#8230; <img src='http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  It was really a very good panel discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great conference.. the panel was a perfect ending..its  been scary how seemless the news breaks have been in social space from conference to offices. its like the agenda was the prolouge to the book of the week ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great conference.. the panel was a perfect ending..its  been scary how seemless the news breaks have been in social space from conference to offices. its like the agenda was the prolouge to the book of the week &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: FurdKiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>FurdKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad fubar wasn&#039;t there to be on the &quot;Con&quot; side of this conference: http://www.fubar.com/fubar_counters_facebook_f8_with_fu.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad fubar wasn&#8217;t there to be on the &#8220;Con&#8221; side of this conference: <a href="http://www.fubar.com/fubar_counters_facebook_f8_with_fu.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.fubar.com/fubar_counters_facebook_f8_with_fu.html'>http://www.fuba...f8_with_fu.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ballmer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1670598</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ballmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FadBook? Value?
lol
FadBook, gimme a break!


http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FadBook? Value?<br />
lol<br />
FadBook, gimme a break!</p>
<p><a href="http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com'>http://fakestev...er.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt;&gt;any more videos from that conference?&lt;/i&gt;

there are about ~15-20 videos from the Graphing Social Patterns conference we&#039;ll be posting next week as soon as we get thru all the video production &amp; editing.  the Viral Strategy panel moderated by Justin Smith of InsideFacebook was particularly interesting.

there are also slides from several of the presentations here:
  http://slideshare.net/group/gsp07
  (not all of these are up either, but we&#039;re working on it)

- dave mcclure
  http://www.graphingsocial.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt;&gt;any more videos from that conference?</i></p>
<p>there are about ~15-20 videos from the Graphing Social Patterns conference we&#8217;ll be posting next week as soon as we get thru all the video production &amp; editing.  the Viral Strategy panel moderated by Justin Smith of InsideFacebook was particularly interesting.</p>
<p>there are also slides from several of the presentations here:<br />
  <a href="http://slideshare.net/group/gsp07" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://slideshare.net/group/gsp07'>http://slidesha...net/group/gsp07</a><br />
  (not all of these are up either, but we&#8217;re working on it)</p>
<p>- dave mcclure<br />
  <a href="http://www.graphingsocial.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.graphingsocial.com'>http://www.graphingsocial.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/11/facebook-debate-valuation-value-to-developers-and-random-ad-hominem-attacks/comment-page-1/#comment-1670588</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion -- any more videos from that conference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion &#8212; any more videos from that conference?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ackerman Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ackerman Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, we&#039;re hoping he comes in for a guest lecture as well.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, we&#8217;re hoping he comes in for a guest lecture as well.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: FurdKiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>FurdKiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Head Course Assistant, Stanford Facebook Class&quot;?

Why don&#039;t you bone Mark and get it over with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Head Course Assistant, Stanford Facebook Class&#8221;?</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you bone Mark and get it over with?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Ackerman Greenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Ackerman Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conference, Dave.  

Mike, when are you going to come speak in our class??  Let us know.
(danielag@stanford.edu)



Dan Ackerman Greenberg
Head Course Assistant, Stanford Facebook Class
http://www.ackermangreenberg.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conference, Dave.  </p>
<p>Mike, when are you going to come speak in our class??  Let us know.<br />
(danielag@stanford.edu)</p>
<p>Dan Ackerman Greenberg<br />
Head Course Assistant, Stanford Facebook Class<br />
<a href="http://www.ackermangreenberg.com" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.ackermangreenberg.com'>http://www.acke...angreenberg.com</a></p>
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