October 10, 2007

Firefox Coming To Your Phone

Erick Schonfeld

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firefox.jpegGet ready to throw out that WAP browser on your mobile phone (if you haven’t already). The iPhone, with its fully-functioning Safari browser, showed us that mobile browsing need not be a compromise. Now, the folks at Mozilla are working on a mobile version of Firefox.

A Firefox Web browser already exists for the Nokia N800, but this effort will expand Firefox’s mobile reach to many more handsets, especially as they come standard with more memory. (64 MB of DRAM seems to be the minimum that will be required). Mobile Firefox won’t be available until next year, at the earliest. But just as on the desktop, it will be an open platform on top of which anyone can build add-on applications. And that’s good news for mobile computing.

The decision to throw Firefox into the mobile ring is just one more piece of evidence for something that is becoming increasingly clear: The phone is the computer.

As a Mac laptop user, I used Safari for years, until I switched to Firefox. At a certain point, it just eclipsed what I could do on Safari (primarily because of all the add-on applications that became available and the greater flexibility of the core browser). I expect the same thing will happen eventually in the mobile space—if Steve Jobs allows Firefox on the iPhone, that is.

But my guess is that he will have to because it will be available on other phones, and the iPhone will never be able to afford to be seen as lagging in the mobile browsing arena. Of course, this assumes that Firefox quickly will get to the point where it can provide a better mobile browsing experience than the mobile version of Safari. But judging by history, I think it will.

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  1. Hongliu Li

    I am looking forward to it.

    When I develop online photo/video sharing site MyGrowUp.com, IE give me a lot of problems, hope this Mobile Firefox will help us to reach more mobile users.

  2. theharmonyguy

    And what about Opera Mini?

  3. Jason

    Oh great, so mobile Firefox will chew up all available resources on my phone. Like it does on the desktop.

  4. Bluevoter

    Opera mini is the default browser running on the Nokia N95, and works great. I think that it actually predates the Safari browser on the iPhone, even though Apple seems to get the credit for having the first “full browser” on a mobile device. If memory serves, both of these were predated by a mini version of Internet Explorer that ran on the PocketPC circa 2002.

  5. Adam

    I’m not so sure that an iPhone w/out firefox will seem to be “lagging.” Most people aren’t techies that care about installing add-ins to their browser, particularly not when it’s on a phone browser. The key will be fast, smooth, clean browsing, and safari will probably do that just fine on the iphone for some time.

  6. Jason

    While addons like AdBlocker for Firefox would be a great addition to the iPhone (for obvious reasons). The Safari browser works flawlessly and the integration can not be beat.

  7. Rick Curran

    @Bluevoter - I thinl you’re mistaken, there’s no Opera Mini running bydefault on the Nokia N95, the default browser is actually Nokia’s browser which is based on the open source WebKit framework that Safari is based on. It does indeed pre-date Safari on the iPhone though.

  8. Pierre Col | UbicMedia

    There are now more and more mobile phones / smartphones / PDAs / mobiles devices operated by Linux, even from large manufacturers (Motorola for instance) and devices using OpenMoko - the integrated open source mobile communication platform - are coming: they will perfectly support Firefox Mobile … and Thunderbird Mobile (note for Mozilla guys : do not forget to adapt Thunderbird to mobile, mobile e-mail is a key issue for corporate business!)

    More info on interesting OpenMoko products and developments :
    http://www.openmoko.com/products-index.html
    http://www.openmoko.org/

  9. KirkH

    Those of us that don’t like bloat are probably going to end up running cell stacks on our desktops.

  10. Deals and Coupons

    In Korea, people are already using their phones as computers. Americans need to catch up quick.

  11. sanmat

    Firefox has delivered to the expectations so far. They had the tremendous opportunity in the past to gather information and at the same time with open source the opportunities to deliver high quality at this time is possible. I can’t wait for it.

    http://blogkatt.blogspot.com/

  12. Pranjal

    firefox is a good browser, if only the memory leakage problems get solved in all the versions. As i think the mobile version also maybe bloated with the issue. anyways Dugg

    http://digg.com/tech_news/Fire.....Your_Phone

  13. Alec

    Cool! A slow, buggy and bloated web browser for my phone! Just what I’ve been waiting for.

  14. Deceth

    Great news! Love Firefox!

  15. Tim

    As a clarification, the mozilla for the N770/N800 is not Firefox, it’s mozilla-based. It’s called minimo and it has some javascript and css support. But, it’s not enough. Complaints of bloat or no… until I can deliver (and use) the same AJAX functionality in a mobile device that I can on the desktop, handhelds are nigh on to worthless. I’ve got a nice N770 I’m about to eBay for exactly that reason.

    In spite of all the problems with lock-in on the iPhone (aka the return of Bad old Apple), Apple seems to be the first company that has groked –and delivered in a pocketable mass-market device– the idea that an ajaxified web is
    (1) a applications platform
    (2) a reasonably standards compliant platform
    (3) ubiquitious computing realized

    Netscape had the right idea back in the day. They just didn’t have the browser to deliver it and we didn’t have the handhelds/phones to run it. Me… I’ve waited since the ’80s (yeah ubiquitious computing hit Scientific American in ‘85) for it, I can wait a little longer for something without the lock in.

  16. Adrian

    Opera Mini has been out since around the start of 2006, and does work very well… The commentor who mentioned it being on the N95 might actually mean it’s installed on their network. I think it’s T-Mobile that include it on a lot of handsets.

    Everyones been a bit slow to respond to it to be honest. It’s got a fair amount of usage, considering. Depending where you are, it’s even starting to make a small dent into overall browser stats. A very small dent, hardly IE/FF numbers, but it’s still there, and growing.

  17. phenom

    Wow so now firefox will eat away most of the resources of my phone and will bring along a lot more security issues being open source. Lets see how well it goes.

    http://vidsonly.blogspot.com

  18. EH

    More browsers are fine, but what about Flash on phones? Is H.264 going to eat Adobe’s lunch in the long run?

  19. Stan Oleynick

    Count me in as one of the users.

  20. Jeff

    Cant wait for Firefox on my phone! I use Opera Mini right now, and though it is better than the pre-installed Blackberry Browser….it still isn’t as good as I had hoped.

  21. danny

    >if Steve Jobs allows Firefox on the iPhone

    Funny!

  22. nitsuj

    “And what about Opera Mini?”

    My guess is the same fate as their desktop browser…or Netscape Navigator

  23. MarkB

    Firefox on a phone next year will mean other phones being on par (browser-wise) with the iPhone… 12 months late. Nokia really needs to pull its finger out, and soon.

  24. Justin

    Tim:

    The browser on the N800/770 is *not* Minimo (although Minimo is also available). Nokia’s mozilla-based MicroB is a full fledged browser, and has the same core support that Firefox 3 will. They have a completely different UI, and extensions work differently, but all the AJAXy stuff that you’d expect to work on a desktop should work there too.

  25. Louis-Eric

    All joking about resources aside, this may be a good opportunity to fix the memory issues; a browser that leaks is a nuisance on a 4gig quad-core, but on a very minimal platform it simply is a non-starter. If this means that good engineering will be invested here, and that this work will reflect on the desktop codebase, then that is excellent news for the sustained usability of web apps on middle-tier desktops. AJAX should be built in though; this isn’t web 1.0.

  26. Erik

    It will be interesting to see if Firefox for mobile devices helps evolve mobile applications as much as the desktop browser helped to migrate desktop applications to web applications. Desktop browsers really helped define a standard means for delivering applications. I feel that most mobile applications are quite nascent, and with the exception of a few (Google Maps, Opera Mobile), leave a lot to be desired. I can only hope that Firefox for mobile gives both FOSS developers as well commercial developers a unifying platform to develop good mobile applications.

  27. Martin

    For Apple to officially support such a product from Mozilla they would have to open up the C APIs for the iPhone.

    Also the iPhone API’s would have to have public availability (i.e. not just to a select few trusted software houses) because they would be exposed via the Mozilla source tree.

  28. Kay

    This is great news. Opera and Opera Mini are perfect except that they hog the memory. If Firefox could get rid of its memory problems…

  29. steve ballmer

    Bad on the PC, worse on the phone!

    http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

  30. goober

    what about Camino!?

    Camino is amazing!

  31. Bernard

    I’m currently using Opera on my Nokia E70 (I find the built-in web browser too basic).
    It will be interesting to see how Firefox will perform in a mobile environment.
    The Browser War move on mobile phones. :)

  32. Theo

    How does someone design (css) for these new mobile browsers?

    They are not:

    handheld - Intended for handheld devices (typically small screen, monochrome, limited bandwidth).

    But viewing a website set for

    screen - Intended primarily for color computer screens.

    is not going to be a very good mobile computing experience.

    Does anyone know what the thoughts / plans are?

  33. B.Ackles

    I love FireFox for the developers, I hope it’s adopted by Apple for the iPhone. That said, Safari is a faster browser and it’s the perfect fit for the iPhone. I think that FireFox will inevitably come to the iPhone, but it’s not imperative for the time being.

  34. Matuzalem

    I love when people state that they switched from Safari to Firefox. Specially considering that Firefox is such a slow hog on Macintosh. Although I am a mac user and I use both browsers daily, I laugh at the thought of completely switching from one web browser to the next. Yes the pluggins in Firefox make it very useful, but its stability (or lack thereof) leaves a lot to be desired ( this again on the mac). I use Firefox for wordpress, and other sites built with similar functionality, but you just can’t beat the speed and stability on Safari.

    Just my 2 cents.

  35. kftgr

    Opera Mini and Opera Mobile are two very different things.

    Anyway, the mobile Firefox should be at least on par with Opera Mobile to even dream about competing with the iPhone. There is a huge advantage in having a fixed hardware platform under you control.

  36. Tudor Mate

    about time!!

  37. Jacqueline

    It is about time that Mozilla jumped into the mobile fray, especially because smart phones (or phones that are really just small computers) are going to become huge in the next few years as the technology develops and people pick up on it.

    It’s also good for the people entering the Knight News Challenge contest (http://newschallenge.org) - the ability to run programs and view websites on a solid browser is key for those developing projects that have to do with the mobile web.

  38. Ben Metcalfe

    No one seems to have made the connection that Google do so much of Firefox’s development — the lead engineer and other devs are Google staffers.

    Firefox Mobile, with no clear date and no platforms being able to be announced (v odd, how would you know what to build for) sounds like it’s for the GPhone.

    Given it’s open-source nature, sure, I can see they’ll release it for other platforms too - but sounds like it’s shaping up to be marquee app on the GPhone to me.

    More on the blog: http://urltea.com/1pxa

  39. champ

    The nokia n810 ships with firefox mobile 3.0a1 as the default browser. You don’t need to change the rendering engine anymore.

  40. Jacqueline

    Ben, that’s a good point about the google connection and gphone.

  41. dora

    I hope it will be better than opera mini. The opera mini doen’t support frame and ajax.

  42. Duncan Riley

    I’m surprised you didn’t once mention Opera Erick. Opera are the market leader in Mobile Browsers and it’s a good product, I used it on my Nokia before buying an iPhone. If Mozilla wants into mobile it would have to be for the money because this is where Opera is making pretty much all of its profit.

  43. san

    YIPPeEeeEe! but opera’s doing great - the best by far - and now finally a true competitor!

  44. Niraj

    Opera Mini is incredible. With the new beta version I can even view websites in a horizontal orientation on a simple, Java-enabled phone (not a smartphone). If you haven’t already, I highly recommend giving it a look, particularly the new beta.

  45. tabrez

    Nokia N770/N800 had full-blown Opera browser(not Opera mini) long before Apple’s iPhone was released.

  46. d3bruts1d

    Back when I had a Razr, I use Opera Mini 4 beta, and is was phenomenal. Full power of a desktop browser on a phone. Much better than the default browser that comes with most phones, and personally I find it a lot better than Safari on the iPhone.

    If Opera could release a version for the iPhone - and if Apple would allow 3rd party apps - I’d be there.

    The Firefox Mobile (or whatever) will do good simply because it’s Firefox. The browser could suck ass and people will still claim it’s the best thing since sliced bread. I’ll still try it out, make no mistake.

    I think Firefox itself is a good browser, but Firefox fanboys annoy the hell out of me.

  47. FiveZeroFive

    This is absolutely great news. I currently use Opera Mini, but a little competition never hurt anyone :P

  48. Wake3

    Mozilla (parent to Firefox) already tried once and failed with Minimo.

    WebKit is already the standard for open source mobile web browsing. It is used in the iPhone, Nokia handsets, Adobe AIR, and now Windows Mobile.

    Yesterday, Wake3 announced WebKit for Windows Mobile. See a demo video at http://www.wake3.com.

  49. Conrad

    Minimo was disappointing to say the least, it never worked on my pda; it’s buggy and the developers don’t seem to care

    Hopefully this will be more successfull

  50. Asa Dotzler

    Ben Metcalfe said:
    > No one seems to have made the connection
    > that Google do so much of Firefox’s development
    > — the lead engineer and other devs are Google
    > staffers.

    The reason that no one but Ben is trying to make this connection is that Ben’s either horribly misinformed or he’s just making shit up.

    Google does little to no Firefox development and the lead Firefox engineer and the overwhelming majority of full-time engineers working on Firefox are Mozilla employees, not Google staffers.

    I don’t know of a single “Google staffer” working full-time on Firefox today.

    Jacqueline said:
    > Ben, that’s a good point about the google
    > connection and gphone.

    Well, it might have been if it wasn’t completely inaccurate.

    - A

  51. Asa Dotzler

    Duncan, you said, “If Mozilla wants into mobile it would have to be for the money because this is where Opera is making pretty much all of its profit.”

    By that logic it would be reasonable to claim that Mozilla created Firefox to challenge Netscape’s dominant position in web browsing software and defend Mozilla’s desktop operating system monopoly.

    Your logic is broken or I’m really confused about why I helped create Firefox.

    - A