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		<title>By: Facebook Versus the Web - Cooee Search</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-2432182</link>
		<dc:creator>Facebook Versus the Web - Cooee Search</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: steve bingham's blog &#183; OpenSocial or Facebook?</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1728575</link>
		<dc:creator>steve bingham's blog &#183; OpenSocial or Facebook?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 14:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schonfeld at TechCrunch asked the obvious question:  So how long does Facebook have before it melts into the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: With FriendCSV, Data Sneaks Out Facebook&#8217;s Back Door</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1694225</link>
		<dc:creator>With FriendCSV, Data Sneaks Out Facebook&#8217;s Back Door</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we&#8217;ve suggested before, there is an underlying problem with many proprietary systems - such as Facebook - because [...]</description>
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		<title>By: My Personal &#8220;Keep Me Up To Date On The Top News&#8221; blog &#187; Comment on Facebook Versus the Web by Social networks of the &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1685616</link>
		<dc:creator>My Personal &#8220;Keep Me Up To Date On The Top News&#8221; blog &#187; Comment on Facebook Versus the Web by Social networks of the &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here&#8217;s a quick excerptthing that gives them competitive advantage and creates compounding network effects? This is the big knock against Facebook. It’sa black hole. Everything can go in, but nothing can come out. (It won’t […] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Social networks of the future should allow 2 way API ( users can take out his data) &#171; Fremontman&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1685597</link>
		<dc:creator>Social networks of the future should allow 2 way API ( users can take out his data) &#171; Fremontman&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thing that gives them competitive advantage and creates compounding network effects? This is the big knock against Facebook. It’s a black hole. Everything can go in, but nothing can come out. (It won’t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. Murdoch, Take Down This (Other) Wall!</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1685484</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Murdoch, Take Down This (Other) Wall!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thing that gives them competitive advantage and creates compounding network effects? This is the big knock against Facebook. It&#8217;s a black hole. Everything can go in, but nothing can come out. (It [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1669179</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 04:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll say when more than enough of moronic Facebook Apps are created and e-mail evolves into a Facebook like social graph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say when more than enough of moronic Facebook Apps are created and e-mail evolves into a Facebook like social graph.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Scruggs</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668774</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Scruggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 22:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That won’t start to happen until you can take your friends (i.e., your social graph) with you.&lt;/em&gt;

Which will only happen when the majority of people who actually care about that are people who don't call it their "social graph."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That won’t start to happen until you can take your friends (i.e., your social graph) with you.</em></p>
<p>Which will only happen when the majority of people who actually care about that are people who don&#8217;t call it their &#8220;social graph.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zuckerborg</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668682</link>
		<dc:creator>Zuckerborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- FOAF
- XFN
- Mozilla's The Coop

The open-source transformation of social network couldn't happen soon enough</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- FOAF<br />
- XFN<br />
- Mozilla&#8217;s The Coop</p>
<p>The open-source transformation of social network couldn&#8217;t happen soon enough</p>
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		<title>By: Omadsense</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668310</link>
		<dc:creator>Omadsense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with #3
Any site that believes that closing or enclosing it's members will help it survive should take a page from AOL. If they even remember what AOL is....LOL
Even myspace seems to be thinking just becuase it's big it can keep it's users from using anything that may cuase people to leave thier site - well, if you clinch your fist more sand only escapes........ The internet thrives on it's freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with #3<br />
Any site that believes that closing or enclosing it&#8217;s members will help it survive should take a page from AOL. If they even remember what AOL is&#8230;.LOL<br />
Even myspace seems to be thinking just becuase it&#8217;s big it can keep it&#8217;s users from using anything that may cuase people to leave thier site - well, if you clinch your fist more sand only escapes&#8230;&#8230;.. The internet thrives on it&#8217;s freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Aswath</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668263</link>
		<dc:creator>Aswath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@58 Brady

There is no reason why Facebook be used to store data. The question arises when one of your real life friends refuses to join Facebook but you two want to share the digital world. If the two networks allow APIs for exchanging information then OAuth provides a way to authenticate such API requests without compromising authentication credentials.

It is very likely that large networks may see little need to participate in this. But given this methodology, there is no incentive to join any particular network. You could be running your own network. This is a breakthrough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@58 Brady</p>
<p>There is no reason why Facebook be used to store data. The question arises when one of your real life friends refuses to join Facebook but you two want to share the digital world. If the two networks allow APIs for exchanging information then OAuth provides a way to authenticate such API requests without compromising authentication credentials.</p>
<p>It is very likely that large networks may see little need to participate in this. But given this methodology, there is no incentive to join any particular network. You could be running your own network. This is a breakthrough.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Callaghan</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668209</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Callaghan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too am getting sick of Facebook stories and speculation. 

How about bigging up UK content and tech companies for a change? The more people talk about them, the greater the buzz, the more revenue streams open up, the more we can innovate.

TechCrunch UK ought to devote a corner to UK startups and help nurture them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am getting sick of Facebook stories and speculation. </p>
<p>How about bigging up UK content and tech companies for a change? The more people talk about them, the greater the buzz, the more revenue streams open up, the more we can innovate.</p>
<p>TechCrunch UK ought to devote a corner to UK startups and help nurture them.</p>
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		<title>By: sanmat</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668206</link>
		<dc:creator>sanmat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree. Facebook is different and its not time for it to melt. Its now taking a different turn around. Keep watching and see the progress on web 2.0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree. Facebook is different and its not time for it to melt. Its now taking a different turn around. Keep watching and see the progress on web 2.0</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668125</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> I'm sure the folks at Facebook appreciate being given so much cred that their competition is now the web itself, but for the rest of us, it's deja vu. Does anyone else remember hearing statements like "HTML is dead - it's all XML from here on". Whatever dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure the folks at Facebook appreciate being given so much cred that their competition is now the web itself, but for the rest of us, it&#8217;s deja vu. Does anyone else remember hearing statements like &#8220;HTML is dead - it&#8217;s all XML from here on&#8221;. Whatever dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668097</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beyond just friendships, everyone's at the mercy of these data silos to keep giving us free access to our own content, even though it's in the Terms of Service that they don't have to.  What happens if one of these services (holding on to pictures of say... college graduation) decides that it's not going to host that data for free anymore, and now our only copy of that content is locked and we have to pay to free it?
 
There are open source projects that are working on also freeing the data from your social networks (content like pictures, blog entries, etc.).

Check out http://silosync.com/wiki if you're into that sort of thing.

The part of the movement focused just on the friendship-connections can be found on the google group:
http://groups.google.com/group/social-network-portability</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beyond just friendships, everyone&#8217;s at the mercy of these data silos to keep giving us free access to our own content, even though it&#8217;s in the Terms of Service that they don&#8217;t have to.  What happens if one of these services (holding on to pictures of say&#8230; college graduation) decides that it&#8217;s not going to host that data for free anymore, and now our only copy of that content is locked and we have to pay to free it?</p>
<p>There are open source projects that are working on also freeing the data from your social networks (content like pictures, blog entries, etc.).</p>
<p>Check out <a href="http://silosync.com/wiki" rel="nofollow">http://silosync.com/wiki</a> if you&#8217;re into that sort of thing.</p>
<p>The part of the movement focused just on the friendship-connections can be found on the google group:<br />
<a href="http://groups.google.com/group/social-network-portability" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group.....ortability</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blake Brannon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1668047</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Brannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll give them till 2010.</description>
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		<title>By: fake dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667924</link>
		<dc:creator>fake dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the master of cliches! Fear my deficient articulation!</description>
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		<title>By: dave mcclure</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667756</link>
		<dc:creator>dave mcclure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude who i must have cut off on 101 somewhere: quit outsourcing the Fake Dave McClure writing to Mechanical Turk, get a real fucking budget &#38; fire the numbnutz you hired to stalk my comment stream 24x7, and get someone with half a goddamn brain to write for the fake me.

seriously.

if i'm going to waste time on this shit, it should at least be fun to read the [wish it were] snappy repartee coming back at me.  right now it's pretty obvious you offshored to some dipshit faux-et laureate who can't write an interesting line of prose to save his 3rd-world ass.

i hear Tamils &#38; Bulgarians have a rich literary tradition... why don't you look one of them up, and maybe this will get more interesting.

either that, or you're a pathetic first-person hater who's trying to write his way out of paper bag... one that's made of that diploma you got in the mail from the University of Phoenix.

get with the fucking program, Yo... cowboy up or go home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude who i must have cut off on 101 somewhere: quit outsourcing the Fake Dave McClure writing to Mechanical Turk, get a real fucking budget &amp; fire the numbnutz you hired to stalk my comment stream 24&#215;7, and get someone with half a goddamn brain to write for the fake me.</p>
<p>seriously.</p>
<p>if i&#8217;m going to waste time on this shit, it should at least be fun to read the [wish it were] snappy repartee coming back at me.  right now it&#8217;s pretty obvious you offshored to some dipshit faux-et laureate who can&#8217;t write an interesting line of prose to save his 3rd-world ass.</p>
<p>i hear Tamils &amp; Bulgarians have a rich literary tradition&#8230; why don&#8217;t you look one of them up, and maybe this will get more interesting.</p>
<p>either that, or you&#8217;re a pathetic first-person hater who&#8217;s trying to write his way out of paper bag&#8230; one that&#8217;s made of that diploma you got in the mail from the University of Phoenix.</p>
<p>get with the fucking program, Yo&#8230; cowboy up or go home.</p>
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		<title>By: Berlin</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667741</link>
		<dc:creator>Berlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook vs the Web - ...exactly what I was thinking when someone from the audience asked Zuckerberg about OpenID. OpenID is the web. So I'd be surprised if FB adopts openID. Then again, MS is developing InfoCards for OpenID. So if MS buys a stake at FB, can Gates and company pressure FB into adopting openID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook vs the Web - &#8230;exactly what I was thinking when someone from the audience asked Zuckerberg about OpenID. OpenID is the web. So I&#8217;d be surprised if FB adopts openID. Then again, MS is developing InfoCards for OpenID. So if MS buys a stake at FB, can Gates and company pressure FB into adopting openID?</p>
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		<title>By: dOmi</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667737</link>
		<dc:creator>dOmi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] "A: That won’t start to happen until you can take your friends (i.e., your social graph) with you."

Thats exactly, what german startup http://noserub.com/ is working on. 
May be worth a look...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;A: That won’t start to happen until you can take your friends (i.e., your social graph) with you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thats exactly, what german startup <a href="http://noserub.com/" rel="nofollow">http://noserub.com/</a> is working on.<br />
May be worth a look&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fake Dave McClure</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667715</link>
		<dc:creator>Fake Dave McClure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Facebook pwns the internet easy. Zuck could take it down with a butter knife and  some duct tape... n00bz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facebook pwns the internet easy. Zuck could take it down with a butter knife and  some duct tape&#8230; n00bz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667714</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is like reading youtube comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is like reading youtube comments</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Standefer</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667696</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Standefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate when people use analogies in arguments under the pretext that if they can find an analogy that demonstrates their argument, then their argument is an accurate assessment of the situation.  This is not a rational assumption, as one can find/create an analogy to "explain" almost any situation.  Analogies do not make an argument any more legitimate.  Analogies should be used to convey an idea in familiar terms, not to justify its merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate when people use analogies in arguments under the pretext that if they can find an analogy that demonstrates their argument, then their argument is an accurate assessment of the situation.  This is not a rational assumption, as one can find/create an analogy to &#8220;explain&#8221; almost any situation.  Analogies do not make an argument any more legitimate.  Analogies should be used to convey an idea in familiar terms, not to justify its merit.</p>
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		<title>By: David Litsky</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667601</link>
		<dc:creator>David Litsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "web community" is focused on the details, while Zuckerberg, Gates, and others are focusing on the 40,000 foot panoramic. Creating a web site is easy, all you need is someone that can use a coding widget, and a good support staff to do your design, build your database, and come up with the business plan. Facebook is similar to AOL in that it is a walled garden, but that is what the general consumer wants. They want a one-stop shop where they can send e-mail, catch up on news, chat with friends, and act like a kid again. Facebook has a strong infrastructure and provides their customers with exactly what they need. 

On the web, all of your data is indexed, filtered, shifted, aggregated, packaged, and devilvered to mass marketers 2.0. Google takes a 40% cut so it is in their best interest to shove advertising at you wherever you go -- your mailbox (email), your television (YouTube), and your newspaper (websites like TC). The current "web" which is chock full of in-your-face advertising is not what was envisioned by visionaries like Christopher Locke and David Weinberger when they wrote the cluetrain manifesto. What they envisioned were web forums, which have easily replaced RIP graphics and multipart newsgroup threads. 

Take vBulletin (http://www.vbulletin.com/), the top web forum software around. It made it there by being simple, rugged, and fully customizable not by looking pretty and acting flashy. Forums are a one stop shop where you can start open threaded conversations, send private messages, track who is talking to you, play games, and read news on your favorite subjects. These communities were pioneers in the wild frontier of the web. In the beginning, many of these forums were open allowing people to post anonymous comments under fictitious names similar to newsgroups. The problem was that they were vulnerable to spammers and inflammatory posters. To start the filtering process, many forums began to require a username and password to access the site. Users could still be anonymous, but it gave the operator of the site a ring of control, to make sure that things didn't get out of hand. In addition, content held within their walled gardens is often barricaded from the tentacles of Google's advertising spiders.

What makes the forum world so special is that you become a real family that cares about each other, even if they show it in a very different way. You are surrounded by siblings -- with a traditional male to female ratio of 200:1, that aren't afraid to call you out on your BS, make fun of you for it, and never move on. The problem is that these communities work too well and users like interacting with people too much. As the web became populated in the web 1.0 era and through the cycle that has brought us to the end of web 2.0 era, bandwidth started to become more scarce. Much like the end of cheap oil in the 70s, the cost to operate these communities in the mid 00s substantially increased. The larger communities hung around with context ads, banner ads, donations, and other ways to defer the costs. Sadly, many of the smaller communities that had 20-200 members folded and they became nomads of the vBulletin circuit. 

Enter Facebook which is special because it acts as a big, open, vBulletin forum. Their goal with the social graph is to reconnect with true internet friends and bring our offline friends into the simple web that made us early adopters. On Facebook, you can control how little or how much of your private information is displayed to other members -- while remaining invisible to outsiders. This provides a safe location for you to discuss your next business idea with Jenny from high school who is now a banker, Mike from college who works as a software engineer, and Bill from the bar who wants to write you a big check. Why Facebook will succeed is that they are providing this service for free -- including the bandwidth bill, in return for modest advertising.

Sidebar about bandwidth -- has the web community forgotten that Facebook doubled their user base in less than six months, and only had one hiccup? What Facebook did is grew organically creating headroom for an exponential amount of new users, per user that they were adding. For example by planning for 100 people per user that they added in the beginning, with 5 million members they could easily scale to 500 million. 

Facebook is trying to build a better web where its users bring the ideas and labor, and they provide the infrastructure to help you succeed. Take the fbFunds debate that has been on the minds of Uber Bloggers like Jason Calacanis. People like Jason want the web to remain open so that he and other like-minded businessmen can poach your ideas and build them out faster than you with his venture capital. The fbFund is not looking for the next widget builder, but the visionary that needs access to widget builders so that they can revolutionize the platform. What Facebook has done is bring old school (think Plato's Republic) business to the web. 

Business will not be replaced by an open web, but hire Vogon contractors to clear the path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;web community&#8221; is focused on the details, while Zuckerberg, Gates, and others are focusing on the 40,000 foot panoramic. Creating a web site is easy, all you need is someone that can use a coding widget, and a good support staff to do your design, build your database, and come up with the business plan. Facebook is similar to AOL in that it is a walled garden, but that is what the general consumer wants. They want a one-stop shop where they can send e-mail, catch up on news, chat with friends, and act like a kid again. Facebook has a strong infrastructure and provides their customers with exactly what they need. </p>
<p>On the web, all of your data is indexed, filtered, shifted, aggregated, packaged, and devilvered to mass marketers 2.0. Google takes a 40% cut so it is in their best interest to shove advertising at you wherever you go &#8212; your mailbox (email), your television (YouTube), and your newspaper (websites like TC). The current &#8220;web&#8221; which is chock full of in-your-face advertising is not what was envisioned by visionaries like Christopher Locke and David Weinberger when they wrote the cluetrain manifesto. What they envisioned were web forums, which have easily replaced RIP graphics and multipart newsgroup threads. </p>
<p>Take vBulletin (http://www.vbulletin.com/), the top web forum software around. It made it there by being simple, rugged, and fully customizable not by looking pretty and acting flashy. Forums are a one stop shop where you can start open threaded conversations, send private messages, track who is talking to you, play games, and read news on your favorite subjects. These communities were pioneers in the wild frontier of the web. In the beginning, many of these forums were open allowing people to post anonymous comments under fictitious names similar to newsgroups. The problem was that they were vulnerable to spammers and inflammatory posters. To start the filtering process, many forums began to require a username and password to access the site. Users could still be anonymous, but it gave the operator of the site a ring of control, to make sure that things didn&#8217;t get out of hand. In addition, content held within their walled gardens is often barricaded from the tentacles of Google&#8217;s advertising spiders.</p>
<p>What makes the forum world so special is that you become a real family that cares about each other, even if they show it in a very different way. You are surrounded by siblings &#8212; with a traditional male to female ratio of 200:1, that aren&#8217;t afraid to call you out on your BS, make fun of you for it, and never move on. The problem is that these communities work too well and users like interacting with people too much. As the web became populated in the web 1.0 era and through the cycle that has brought us to the end of web 2.0 era, bandwidth started to become more scarce. Much like the end of cheap oil in the 70s, the cost to operate these communities in the mid 00s substantially increased. The larger communities hung around with context ads, banner ads, donations, and other ways to defer the costs. Sadly, many of the smaller communities that had 20-200 members folded and they became nomads of the vBulletin circuit. </p>
<p>Enter Facebook which is special because it acts as a big, open, vBulletin forum. Their goal with the social graph is to reconnect with true internet friends and bring our offline friends into the simple web that made us early adopters. On Facebook, you can control how little or how much of your private information is displayed to other members &#8212; while remaining invisible to outsiders. This provides a safe location for you to discuss your next business idea with Jenny from high school who is now a banker, Mike from college who works as a software engineer, and Bill from the bar who wants to write you a big check. Why Facebook will succeed is that they are providing this service for free &#8212; including the bandwidth bill, in return for modest advertising.</p>
<p>Sidebar about bandwidth &#8212; has the web community forgotten that Facebook doubled their user base in less than six months, and only had one hiccup? What Facebook did is grew organically creating headroom for an exponential amount of new users, per user that they were adding. For example by planning for 100 people per user that they added in the beginning, with 5 million members they could easily scale to 500 million. </p>
<p>Facebook is trying to build a better web where its users bring the ideas and labor, and they provide the infrastructure to help you succeed. Take the fbFunds debate that has been on the minds of Uber Bloggers like Jason Calacanis. People like Jason want the web to remain open so that he and other like-minded businessmen can poach your ideas and build them out faster than you with his venture capital. The fbFund is not looking for the next widget builder, but the visionary that needs access to widget builders so that they can revolutionize the platform. What Facebook has done is bring old school (think Plato&#8217;s Republic) business to the web. </p>
<p>Business will not be replaced by an open web, but hire Vogon contractors to clear the path.</p>
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		<title>By: Brady</title>
		<link>http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/10/09/facebook-versus-the-web/#comment-1667598</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@50 Aswath

Thanks.  Interesting link.  

OAuth seems to be a way for the user to control access between applications.  So leveraging this, will there be an "Open Graph" connecting OpenID users that is accessible by any social network?  I'm assuming the networks would manage data about the users and relationships, but not the relationships themselves.  

I'm clearly missing something here, but what it is about the facebook API that limits facebook from being the authority on the graph, user name, and password,  and allowing 3rd parties to have full control of all other aspects of their network or application.  Someone needs to own/store the social graph, right?  Why not facebook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@50 Aswath</p>
<p>Thanks.  Interesting link.  </p>
<p>OAuth seems to be a way for the user to control access between applications.  So leveraging this, will there be an &#8220;Open Graph&#8221; connecting OpenID users that is accessible by any social network?  I&#8217;m assuming the networks would manage data about the users and relationships, but not the relationships themselves.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m clearly missing something here, but what it is about the facebook API that limits facebook from being the authority on the graph, user name, and password,  and allowing 3rd parties to have full control of all other aspects of their network or application.  Someone needs to own/store the social graph, right?  Why not facebook?</p>
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